Troblin said:I have no idea what your trading in, but GJ on the +3900% gain
sonarrat said:I don't think the housing market has bottomed, no. It's still in the early stages. But all the things you are talking about are public knowledge, and they're all depressing the share prices already.
koam said:oil up = up, cost of living = up, products cost more, people buy less, stocks fall.
That's the "logic" behind it.
I understand that, but it's just one day. People collectively react too wildly by one day's news.... "Oil up... well time for suicide, the world is over".koam said:oil up = up, cost of living = up, products cost more, people buy less, stocks fall.
That's the "logic" behind it.
lil smoke said:I understand that, but it's just one day. People collectively react too wildly by one day's news.... "Oil up... well time for suicide, the world is over".
Yeah, everyone buy cheap today, and everyone SELL it next month on the day oil goes up. EVERYONE! DO IT! :lolkoam said:Pretty much. Today is a good "BUY" day.
A trading curb, also known as a circuit breaker, is a point at which a stock market will stop trading for a period of time in response to substantial drops in value.
koam said:Heh I don't think your stock has any of my conditions.
How come you bought a stock AFTER such a huge rise?
Sandisk beat expectations.. down 5 bux
Ether_Snake said:Anyway I hope no one here has invested amounts they couldn't afford to lose. If I did I would sell, screw the loss, I prefer to keep some money and come back when I have stronger foundations so I can spend money I can afford to lose. Remember this is just a game
Javaman said:It'll go back up as always. It's just a matter of time. Look how far the index has gained since the .com bubble burst.
Ether_Snake said:Yeah I know but I mean if someone invested money he can't afford to lose he better take what he can now, we don't know for how long the drop will last, or for how long we have to wait to make gains. If you can't pay the rent or if you end up in debt because of this it's not worth it
Ether_Snake said:Again I repeat what I said before just because I think it is sound: buy low and sell high shouldn't mean buy when the share is low and sell when it is high, it means buy when the index is low (which really means when it is recovering because you can never tell when low is really low) and sell when the index is high (using the previous all-time high as an indicator). You can NEVER know when a share's low is the lowest. Halliburton is down 5.27% and I see articles about buying on this dip, but it's not a dip until the whole market says so, for all we know it could drop another 20%. Buy on market recovery (rise on the indexes that took a around three days, and buy only when it reaches around 30% of the previous all-time high) and sell once it reaches the previous all-time high. Makes sense to me, but don't invest in small businesses because all could go in flames between the moment you buy and the moment you sell, with no chance of a come back even if the market performs well (the mistake I might have made with IMMR).
Anyway I hope no one here has invested amounts they couldn't afford to lose. If I did I would sell, screw the loss, I prefer to keep some money and come back when I have stronger foundations so I can spend money I can afford to lose. Remember this is just a game
I disagree with some of this. There really isn't a such thing as 'awful tactic' any more then there is a 'perfect tactic'. It all depends on circumstance, timing, common sense and most of all LUCK. Otherwise, we all would be rich by playing the market the exact same way. And, I don't think anyone's pushing any stocks.rage1973 said:Seriously your tactic of timing the market just sounds awful. All it's going to result in is losing more money than had you just bought good stocks and forgetting about it. You either invest for long term or you better have much better short term trading tactics of just buying on market rebounds and selling on highs. At least mrWalrus gives some good advice without pushing any stocks. I would suggest you read up on technical analysis or some other decent books about trading.
rage1973 said:Seriously your tactic of timing the market just sounds awful. All it's going to result in is losing more money than had you just bought good stocks and forgetting about it. You either invest for long term or you better have much better short term trading tactics of just buying on market rebounds and selling on highs. At least mrWalrus gives some good advice without pushing any stocks. I would suggest you read up on technical analysis or some other decent books about trading.
Many stocks don't really track with the indices that closely, and some seem to go in the opposite direction. You might want to check out the betas of stocks to see their correlation to the market.Ether_Snake said:Again I repeat what I said before just because I think it is sound: buy low and sell high shouldn't mean buy when the share is low and sell when it is high, it means buy when the index is low (which really means when it is recovering because you can never tell when low is really low) and sell when the index is high (using the previous all-time high as an indicator). You can NEVER know when a share's low is the lowest. Halliburton is down 5.27% and I see articles about buying on this dip, but it's not a dip until the whole market says so, for all we know it could drop another 20%. Buy on market recovery (rise on the indexes that took a around three days, and buy only when it reaches around 30% of the previous all-time high) and sell once it reaches the previous all-time high. Makes sense to me, but don't invest in small businesses because all could go in flames between the moment you buy and the moment you sell, with no chance of a come back even if the market performs well (the mistake I might have made with IMMR).
Maxwell House said:Many stocks don't really track with the indices that closely, and some seem to go in the opposite direction. You might want to check out the betas of stocks to see their correlation to the market.
I am a big fan of small companies. They have much more upside potential than larger caps, IMO. Buffet said he could make 50% gains every year if he had the flexibility to invest in small cap stocks (but he can't..he has too much money). I am invested 80-85% in small caps right now and my portfolio is doing very well (even though it is an odd year for small caps..they are actually doing worse than the Dow in 2007 thus far).
And one of the many anomalies in the efficient market hypothesis is the small company one. Historically, small cap stocks consistently outperform the market. Some theorize it is because of an extra risk premium for small cap volatility, which makes sense.
Yeah, that is the scary thing about small caps..they are extremely volatile.Troblin said:I'm investing in a lot of emerging market small CAPs as well. However, I'm a little worried with the market as of late. Small CAPs tend to be a lot more volatile than their mid/large CAP counterparts.
For instance on Friday, I had drops ranging as high as 11%. The stock that had a P/E and forward P/E of 10 and 8 respectively, so valuation was NOT the issue.
I'm afraid that if the economy heads towards a major recession, small CAPs will take a large hit regardless of their valuation/ growth prospects.
What are your thoughts?
Maxwell House said:Yeah, that is the scary thing about small caps..they are extremely volatile.
Historically, small caps do worse than mid and large caps during bear markets but outperform them handily during bull markets. They have very high betas, which means that when the market does bad, they do even worse, and when the market does well, they do even better. Their swings are greater.
As long as you have a long term outlook, and are patient, and not trigger happy, small caps are a nice way to invest. You just have to stop yourself from selling when the market goes bad, because you will miss out on the recovery, where small caps really take off.
Basically, if you trade small caps, you have to be patient enough to wait out the bear markets and bad months. If you can do that, you will be rewarded when things pick back up.
I have specific price targets for a list of 8-10 stocks I am following. If there is a dip, I am sure a few of them will get to my target buy price.Ether_Snake said:But how will you know when it has bled enough to make your buy worth it?
I think we're all better off waiting for a clear recovery before throwing more money, what's the rush?
???_Rafa_ said:your strategy seems very risky.
Maxwell House said:???
How is it risky? I find companies I like based on their fundamentals and find a target price by looking at their forward intrinsic value along with other ratios. If the market dips and they get into my price range, I buy. As long as I like the company, I am fine with buying them. Market dips are temporary, and I invest for the long term.
_Rafa_ said:edit: i just saw some news and i predict amzn will go up 7-8% tomorrow. Wish i had convert some of my cad money in usd before. I would have place a limit order at 91$x 10 shares for tomorrows oppening.
Sure._Rafa_ said:thats seems better now. Example?