Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
Member
PC clowns deserve to face the wall and nothing more. TLOU2 is better than every other game in your weirdos' Steam libraries.
The Last of Us Part II Remastered releases on Steam with CCU of 30.5k
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Now say it without crying
bender
What time is it?
MiguelItUp
Member
Big IP being ported to PC. Looks like decent numbers too me.
Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
Member
Which game in your library is better than TLOU2?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
The Day Before
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Is it a bad port if you have a 4090 or is it just for lesser people, ha!
I don't even think I got half way through it on PS, thinking about starting over on PC.
I don't even think I got half way through it on PS, thinking about starting over on PC.
Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
Member
Go play TLOU2, it's dope. I swore I wasn't going to play it when I found out they killed Joel, and I actually watched the whole game on YouTube before I ever played it. But playing it is an entirely different and unforgettable experience. You won't regret it one bit.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Currently at 28.1k, so it's potentially got a little growth left.
TLOUP1 capped at 36k, so it at a glance it would seem there are less people interested in P2 on PC than P1. With the double dippers posting, there's a good chance the PC releases aren't meaningfully growing the fanbase for the series.
TLOUP1 capped at 36k, so it at a glance it would seem there are less people interested in P2 on PC than P1. With the double dippers posting, there's a good chance the PC releases aren't meaningfully growing the fanbase for the series.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Fallout 76 had its peak 4 years after launch due to the tv show.
TLOUP1 on PC released after the first season of TLOU had ended or near there. Season 2 isn't out yet. It'll be interesting to see if the show boosts the games sales, which I'm sure Sony is counting on given the lack of advertising.
Liopleurodon
Member
I regret nothing.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Sure, but if the game cannot grow it's own base outside of interest from the TV show, than my original comment remains.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
After playing part I only two years ago I am not in any rush to play part 2. I will probably play it at some point but the first one didn't really grab me or have me wanting more.
poodaddy
Member
That tag pays dividends.
Schmendrick
Member
Considering the second one's writing took a nose dive through the floor,... and the cellar... and the crust of the earth... you can probably ignore that game permanently if the much better first one couldn't grab you.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
It's not really supposed to be growing the base by leaps and bounds. It's just trying to generate a ROI, which I think if they can get a few hundred thousand to a million people purchasing it on Steam, is basically a free $25-50M for them.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I'm not sure that it does. Sony has clearly foregone advertising the game because the tv show will do that for them. Pretty much all games need to have advertising as most people aren't glued into game releases on a daily basis.
I think people are struggling with this because it's not a traditional strategy. Historically games would be based off movies or tv shows and not the other way around. And until recently tv shows were not boosting games.
Really started with The Witcher 3. The game peaked with the release of Season 1 years after the initial release of the game. It didn't quite hit those metrics again, but had two more heights, one with the release of season 2 and then again with the next gen patch.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
They have forgone advertising for all their PC releases because that is how they make money with these level of sales. They pay for porting but that is the end of their investment. Then they get to ride the long tail for years.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yup
1-2M investment to port
$25-50M revenue
Literally 10-20x ROI+
It's just low hanging fruit
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Agreed but ghost got a bit more advertising. So did GoW.
mayham2199
Member
Didn't they make a billion one quarter just from pc? Don't see why they would abandon it.
awwr999999
Member
The first one (TLOU) is a tragedy in that regard and joins a host of other great first party games that never sold anywhere near as well as they should have.
The massive risk involved with buying an unknown IP and getting stuck with a game you don't play keeps people from trying these games.
When PSN adopts Steam's 2hr return policy games like TLOU and SotC will become best selling titles.
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Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
So does your username
ZehDon
Gold Member
Sure... except we're talking about a game that's already been released before and has both infamy and notoriety attached to it. TLOUP2 was a massive Sony first party game back on the PS4, it was specifically designed and released to attract controversy, and it was a hot button topic for quite a while. It's also a sequel to a beloved title that also released on Steam. All of that together... and it couldn't at least match the original's Steam numbers? Either Part 1 didn't create new fans of the series such to enable Part 2 to be successful, or, Part 2's infamy pushed people away - because launch numbers of a big budget sequel shouldn't be smaller than the original's already small numbers unless the same people who played the original didn't turn up for the sequel.
Except Sony stated that it's strategy was specifically designed to push people to future titles, either on PS5 at launch, or, to their delayed PC release later. Sony's preferred outcome: buy GOW on PC, buy a PS5 for Ragnarok. But Sony will also accept: buy GOW on PC, buy Ragnarok on PC later. Given TLOUP2 was a PS4 title, I'd imagine the later was more expected after TLOUP1 launched on Steam. So, clearly the goal is to grow their base. You adding "leaps and bounds" is just a qualifier to provide yourself an out: "Sony didn't expect the game to be the best selling game of all time!". Which, of course, no one is saying - I literally just highlighted it's performed worse that P1's fairly small CCUs. As I've said of the original on PS4: no one spends 300% of the budget to expect just 50% of the sales. Based on Sony's strategy and their spend on the title, I imagine P2 was expected to sell more than P1.
Will the show provide it a boost? Yeah, possible. But I'm not sure it'll be big enough to add 30% a few weeks after launch.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Have you seen even one advert for it? Would you know it was released if people weren't talking about it here?
Part 1 was tremendously successful and charted for quite some time and it never had great CCU numbers on Steam, but between the PS5 version and the PC version was a top charting game.
With the TV show if the season is good, I fully expect more of the same. So it is definitely bringing in new people.
ZehDon
Gold Member
No, sounds like the TV show is bringing in new people, because the game on its own can't. If Sony's titles require companion TV shows to actually grow and promote them, then their strategy is setup for failure.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
CCUs is a flawed metric, and P2 is not trailing P1 by much. Sony highlighted TLOU pt.1 a few months after it released on PC and they seem to be happy with the ROI based on a very small period of time. Sony expanding to new audiences and reaching 500K-1M new players depending on the title isn't in conflict at all.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Except it's a tried and true strategy just as you would with an ad budget. It's like saying if you have to advertise for a game, it's not doing it on its own. That doesn't make sense.
Also, explain why that would set them up for failure. That also doesn't make any sense.
HRK69
Gold Member
I regret nothing.
FeralEcho
Member
Living up to your tag.
Tarnpanzer
Member
I really wonder why keys for this game are so cheap at release.
Normally ports from playstation are expensive at release and stable in value for the time after.
Normally ports from playstation are expensive at release and stable in value for the time after.
Cakeboxer
Member
Exactly. Day1 this would have sold much better with all the console marketing.
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Physiognomonics
Member
This is the biggest IP of Playstation, supposedly. They sold like 40 million on consoles, combined. This is a flop.For a port of a game that came out 5 years ago, it has done much better than others like Indiana Jones or Avowed, the one that has been an epic fail is South of Midnight, not even 500 players
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
We're talking about a policy that has probably convinced countless PC gamers like me that the PS ecosystem is no longer necessary. I wonder if the money they're making is really worth it.
GametimeUK
Member
Bring Demon's Souls remake to PC.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You have to buy and finish sackboy on pc for that to happen. Full price.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
White mode is heresy.
PeteBull
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ZehDon
Gold Member
Which is it - CCU don't matter, or, P2's CCU is actually ok?
You're missing the forest for the trees. Sony wants to reach a new audience - it wants to grow the base for its titles. If that had occurred, P2 at launch would have higher CCUs than P1. It doesn't. Which means P1 on PC didn't grow the base - fewer people showed up, in fact, indicating they actually lost interest in the series.
Except the game had an advertising budget when Sony positioned it as their massive release at its original launch. Anyone who was interested in the series after playing P1 almost certainly knew about P2 already. This isn't a new game, stop pretending that it is. When Bethesda does yet another Skyrim re-release for Switch 2, I imagine they won't spend much on advertising, and yet I'd also imagine the game would still do well, as it always does.
Because it means their series cannot generate interest in and of themselves for themselves. Spending a quarter of a billion dollars on a game that then still requires an entirely separate TV show to actually push said video game is a fucking terrible strategy for a video game publisher. You've essentially doubled your risk, and your reward is a video game that ultimately performs worse than its predecessor, potentially propped up by a TV show made by someone else. I'd fire everyone involved and go back to making games that sell themselves.
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kazuyamishima
Member
I dunno, the PS4/PS5 version is possibly getting closer and closer to 20m. units sold.One of the benefit of Steam, you can actually see who's playing what and don't have to wait for the developers to announce or in ND case, not announce numbers.
Don't worry though, the defence force tell us how this is good
This is not the disaster of sales that a lot of people are assuming it is.
I think this applies to all of the delayed playstation ports to PC btw. The sequels all have lower peaks than the first game, unless I'm forgetting something.
Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, TLOU 2, Forbidden West are all lower than their first entry.
I suspect TLOU Part 1 would have done better on Steam if TLOU2 hadn't already existed.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
And people always get mad when I say the bar is lower on Xbox.For a port of a game that came out 5 years ago, it has done much better than others like Indiana Jones or Avowed, the one that has been an epic fail is South of Midnight, not even 500 players
ZehDon
Gold Member
That's true, however, not one of them is a universally agreed upon better game than their original, meaning we should expect some degree of fall off. This means either Sony's plan is actually working - people played TLOUP1 and went bough a PlayStation to play TLOUP2, for example - or, people simply didn't come back for full priced seconds.
forsakkenSoul
Neo Member
I thought the numbers were low. Even though it's an old game, it should have had a much higher CCU, especially given the quality of the game and its fame. God of War is a much older game, from 2018, and had a CCU of over 70k.
daninthemix
Member
It's 5 years late, it had no marketing and Sony games only really matter to any great extent on Sony consoles. All of the above is known by all, and therefore those numbers are fine and in line with expectations.