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[12Goblins]

 

[ProtoByte]

I have to admit I am getting a bit perturbed by the lionization of this guy and the lefty media which is happy to continue to do it, and he has a legal team which is happy to play along. He's a scumbag killer and should be treated as such.

Unfortunately, it's not just the left.
There's a large swath of the right who think this guy did anything worth excusing. It's nuts.

Moments like this expose the documented flaw of the left/right model as far as current times go. There's a "Wisdom of Crowds" thing on both ends of that spectrum that don't actually want freedom or fairness, but the scales tipped to their ideal composition of the "Crowd" and to their priorities.

 

[No BBC=Anger]

Wonder will there be copycat attacks considering the attention/support this guy is getting? Look at the chaos the PIRA caused in Northern Ireland over 30 odd years. Only a few hundred were in ASUs (Active Service Units) carrying out attacks day to day.

 

[DeafTourette]

Wonder will there be copycat attacks considering the attention/support this guy is getting? Look at the chaos the PIRA caused in Northern Ireland over 30 odd years. Only a few hundred were in ASUs (Active Service Units) carrying out attacks day to day.

I doubt there will be copycat attacks. ONE person does not a movement make.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Asmongold with almost an hour on a Free Luigi rally? This should be nice to fall asleep to tonight.

edit: I see the original video was posted above, but I'll roll with the extended commentary edition

 

[RJMacready73]

He's going to get convicted, evidence is overwhelming, I just hope he gets the maximum penalty when he does. Make an example out of him that this type of behavior cannot be tolerated and get justice for Brian and his family.

Justice for not only a Health Care CEO but an American CEO??? Are you fucking kidding me?? Fuck that cunt, he deserved a bullet in the back so do they all, fucking justice for a parasitic leech who makes millions of the suffering of others, nah, may he rot in hell

 

[DragoonKain]

Justice for not only a Health Care CEO but an American CEO??? Are you fucking kidding me?? Fuck that cunt, he deserved a bullet in the back so do they all, fucking justice for a parasitic leech who makes millions of the suffering of others, nah, may he rot in hell

You wouldn't be saying that if he was your father. You've allowed yourself to view someone as less than just because of his job title. Not a healthy mindset in life. If the majority of society felt that way, then we'd live in a hellscape.

 

[DeafTourette]

You wouldn't be saying that if he was your father. You've allowed yourself to view someone as less than just because of his job title. Not a healthy mindset in life. If the majority of society felt that way, then we'd live in a hellscape.

People keep saying we're headed to an age where the poor will fight the corporate bosses who make their lives hell ... It hasn't happened yet. Things would have to get a lot worse for that to happen. And it's already bad.

I get both of y'all's sentiment... No he wouldn't be saying that if it was his father but it ISNT his father. UHC is the most PROFITABLE company of its kind in the US and 4th overall worldwide. You don't get that wealth by approving every claim. Plenty of people know what it's like to be denied insurance (stop calling it healthcare) that would have helped them or paid for a cure or paid to save their lives. This isn't theoretical. It's happened. I'm not talking about elective procedures or experimental drugs.... I'm talking life saving stuff. These things have happened with people going bankrupt because their insurance wouldn't cover it.

Killing that CEO changed nothing... The problem is systemic and profit based. Something insurance shouldn't be. It's largely legal to deny claims to even life saving stuff but morally bankrupt.

Loss of life through murder is always sad. His kids shouldn't have to suffer but the system needs to change. I fear the system will get worse over the next decade, though.

 

[DragoonKain]

People keep saying we're headed to an age where the poor will fight the corporate bosses who make their lives hell ... It hasn't happened yet. Things would have to get a lot worse for that to happen. And it's already bad.

I get both of y'all's sentiment... No he wouldn't be saying that if it was his father but it ISNT his father. UHC is the most PROFITABLE company of its kind in the US and 4th overall worldwide. You don't get that wealth by approving every claim. Plenty of people know what it's like to be denied insurance (stop calling it healthcare) that would have helped them or paid for a cure or paid to save their lives. This isn't theoretical. It's happened. I'm not talking about elective procedures or experimental drugs.... I'm talking life saving stuff. These things have happened with people going bankrupt because their insurance wouldn't cover it.

Killing that CEO changed nothing... The problem is systemic and profit based. Something insurance shouldn't be. It's largely legal to deny claims to even life saving stuff but morally bankrupt.

Loss of life through murder is always sad. His kids shouldn't have to suffer but the system needs to change. I fear the system will get worse over the next decade, though.

The point is that if you're only saying someone deserves to die because you don't know them so you don't care about them, then that's a you problem, not a problem with the victim. If someone only values life if it meets specific criteria, then maybe those people are the ones who are a stain on society and not the people whose lives they don't value.

What healthcare system do you want in America? What is your ideal system?

 

[tamago84]

Asmongold with almost an hour on a Free Luigi rally? This should be nice to fall asleep to tonight.

edit: I see the original video was posted above, but I'll roll with the extended commentary edition

asmon is an interesting character for sure.. fairly eloquent and 70% of his takes are pretty funny. The other 30% are a wash. but credit for someone being able to converse with that kind of audience daily

 

[DeafTourette]

The point is that if you're only saying someone deserves to die because you don't know them so you don't care about them, then that's a you problem, not a problem with the victim. If someone only values life if it meets specific criteria, then maybe those people are the ones who are a stain on society and not the people whose lives they don't value.

What healthcare system do you want in America? What is your ideal system?

We pay into it with our taxes. It is no longer for profit for healthcare concerns. Only elective procedures like boob jobs or height lengthening would be under private insurance. Or have a system where it comes out of pocket but paid over time at reasonable rates per market (market is different in Los Angeles than in Jackson Mississippi).

Eliminating certain things which makes the price of healthcare go through the roof (like overcharging by hospitals) will bring prices AND TAXES down.

Bringing in more doctors and FOCUSING on educating more of our own will help alleviate any shortfall of doctors and nurses in our healthcare system and get more people seen on time instead of crazy wait times (streamline the bureaucracy to tamp down on that) ...

Just an idea from someone who knows nothing about this stuff.

 

[Kraz]

Wonder will there be copycat attacks considering the attention/support this guy is getting? Look at the chaos the PIRA caused in Northern Ireland over 30 odd years. Only a few hundred were in ASUs (Active Service Units) carrying out attacks day to day.

It doesn't seem like it, unless they are organizing and planning. Hasn't even been a month. It seems to have taken Mangione half a year to conceive his plan then execute, timeline details should emerge with the trial.

 

[RJMacready73]

You wouldn't be saying that if he was your father. You've allowed yourself to view someone as less than just because of his job title. Not a healthy mindset in life. If the majority of society felt that way, then we'd live in a hellscape.

The majority of people don't make millions on the suffering of others as I said, fuck him he deserved it

 

[daffyduck]

I keep confusing Asmongold’s name with that that lady who was “forced” to make thirst trap videos.
edit: Just noticed the irony of posting that.

 

[DeafTourette]

I keep confusing Asmongold’s name with that that lady who was “forced” to make thirst trap videos.
edit: Just noticed the irony of posting that.

Amouranth

 

[DragoonKain]

We pay into it with our taxes. It is no longer for profit for healthcare concerns. Only elective procedures like boob jobs or height lengthening would be under private insurance. Or have a system where it comes out of pocket but paid over time at reasonable rates per market (market is different in Los Angeles than in Jackson Mississippi).

Eliminating certain things which makes the price of healthcare go through the roof (like overcharging by hospitals) will bring prices AND TAXES down.

Bringing in more doctors and FOCUSING on educating more of our own will help alleviate any shortfall of doctors and nurses in our healthcare system and get more people seen on time instead of crazy wait times (streamline the bureaucracy to tamp down on that) ...

Just an idea from someone who knows nothing about this stuff.

Unfortunately I think we're in a situation where we have to choose between expensive healthcare, choosing which doctors you'd like to see, and shorter wait times. Or free healthcare, higher taxes, not being able to pick doctors, and much longer wait times. For me, that's not an easy decision. Wait times in my state are getting long as it is. Not sure if that's every state or not. The wait time to get an MRI was like 3 months, which is absurd, because it used to be like 3 weeks just a few years ago. All of a sudden if healthcare is free and not only do you have a massive influx of people insured, plus people wanting an MRI for every bump, bruise, or tickle, I honestly wouldn't be shocked in a country of 340 million people that wait times would go upwards of 9 months+ and possibly even a year out.

Obviously we wouldn't know for sure until implemented, but I've thought a lot about it and with crazy wait times I actually think I'd prefer expensive healthcare with the shorter wait times. I've been through both and hated both. The anxiety of getting a massive medical bill is awful. So is being in pain and having to wait months to get a surgery or seeing a specialist.

I'd love to have free healthcare with short wait times and no increased taxes, but I'm not sure a perfect system is realistic.

 

[DragoonKain]

The majority of people don't make millions on the suffering of others as I said, fuck him he deserved it

He's doing his job as a CEO. His job is to make that company money. If he didn't make the company money, he would be ousted by the board and they'd bring in somebody who would. You just don't understand how the world works.

 

[DeafTourette]

Unfortunately I think we're in a situation where we have to choose between expensive healthcare, choosing which doctors you'd like to see, and shorter wait times. Or free healthcare, higher taxes, not being able to pick doctors, and much longer wait times. For me, that's not an easy decision. Wait times in my state are getting long as it is. Not sure if that's every state or not. The wait time to get an MRI was like 3 months, which is absurd, because it used to be like 3 weeks just a few years ago. All of a sudden if healthcare is free and not only do you have a massive influx of people insured, plus people wanting an MRI for every bump, bruise, or tickle, I honestly wouldn't be shocked in a country of 340 million people that wait times would go upwards of 9 months+ and possibly even a year out.

Obviously we wouldn't know for sure until implemented, but I've thought a lot about it and with crazy wait times I actually think I'd prefer expensive healthcare with the shorter wait times. I've been through both and hated both. The anxiety of getting a massive medical bill is awful. So is being in pain and having to wait months to get a surgery or seeing a specialist.

I'd love to have free healthcare with short wait times and no increased taxes, but I'm not sure a perfect system is realistic.

Look at the root causes of those wait times. Under Medicaid, I can see almost any doctor in my state because most doctors accept Medicaid. I don't have to wait too long for appointments where I am, but I did in Georgia. 9 months for a neurologist?!?! Mind you, it was private practice.

Look at the root causes of those wait times because, as you said, you didn't have long wait times when paying out of pocket. Think about why that is. If ALL doctors were paid the same under universal healthcare, they wouldn't prioritize paying patients over insured patients. You take out the profit incentive, you get better and faster care.

 

[diffusionx]

Look at the root causes of those wait times. Under Medicaid, I can see almost any doctor in my state because most doctors accept Medicaid. I don't have to wait too long for appointments where I am, but I did in Georgia. 9 months for a neurologist?!?! Mind you, it was private practice.

Look at the root causes of those wait times because, as you said, you didn't have long wait times when paying out of pocket. Think about why that is. If ALL doctors were paid the same under universal healthcare, they wouldn't prioritize paying patients over insured patients. You take out the profit incentive, you get better and faster care.

If that one number that you paid all doctors was the same, then the level of service would be dependent on what that number was. And considering the fact that healthcare has infinite demand but obviously finite supply, then that level of service would likely be lower than what people would like.

Every "universal healthcare" system on the planet has some private component, to cover the gaps in the public one and to also provide superior service to those who pay. It's just always going to happen.

 

[RJMacready73]

He's doing his job as a CEO. His job is to make that company money. If he didn't make the company money, he would be ousted by the board and they'd bring in somebody who would. You just don't understand how the world works.

I know full well how the world works, he's in an industry that deals in suffering and bankrupting people and he's paid to inflict that pain and suffering by ensuring his shareholders make as much money as possible by denying as much payouts as possible, you are the incredibly naive one here if you think he's worthy of any respect, he's a roach and he got put down like one.

It's utterly embarrassing that there are useless idiots like you shilling for multimillionaires

 

[SneakersSO]

Every "universal healthcare" system on the planet has some private component, to cover the gaps in the public one and to also provide superior service to those who pay. It's just always going to happen.

To your point though, I do think there is something to be said about disallowing the rich to incentivize going outside of the normal healthcare apparatus. Finland and what its done with its education system is a fantastic example of what happens when you don't let the richest members of a society cut themselves off from the rest of their community.

 

[diffusionx]

To your point though, I do think there is something to be said about disallowing the rich to incentivize going outside of the normal healthcare apparatus. Finland and what its done with its education system is a fantastic example of what happens when you don't let the richest members of a society cut themselves off from the rest of their community.

It is part of the normal healthcare apparatus. It’s just additional insurance that people buy to fill the gaps in the existing one, gaps that have to exist.

All you’re advocating for is the creation of a black market system separated entirely with all that entails.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If ALL doctors were paid the same under universal healthcare, they wouldn't prioritize paying patients over insured patients. You take out the profit incentive, you get better and faster care.

I give DF credit for one thing. He is consistent in his views.

He will always have the lowest brow view in the thread. He always hates when some people make more money than others. And in this case if some doctors do more work or different work, they'd get paid the same? Even in countries with universal healthcare, the doctors dont get paid the same.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Justice for not only a Health Care CEO but an American CEO??? Are you fucking kidding me?? Fuck that cunt, he deserved a bullet in the back so do they all, fucking justice for a parasitic leech who makes millions of the suffering of others, nah, may he rot in hell

Relax Charles Bronson.

If the CEO was guilty of killing people being leader of a big insurance company, the laws would already had him and his fellow VP executives buddies behind bars the past decade.

A society thrives the most when people chill out and follow the rules. And western countries arent weird oppressed countries under warlord rules where at some point there's a breaking point. Let the authorities handle any shady business practices. If insurance companies are such scamming companies, the feds would had done something about it the past 100 years around the world.

 

[rm082e]

 

[The Pleasure]

He's going to get convicted, evidence is overwhelming, I just hope he gets the maximum penalty when he does. Make an example out of him that this type of behavior cannot be tolerated and get justice for Brian and his family.

The way you sound makes me think this guy was possibly one of your neighbors. Did he work on a car by your home?

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

The way you sound makes me think this guy was possibly one of your neighbors. Did he work on a car by your home?

Yeah abit over the top.

The guy has a full platoon escorting him to court. Feds announced terror charges and that woman got sentence for saying something dumb on the phone.

The whole terror charges is a smoke screen to remind the plebs that if you dare go for their elites they will do more than throw the book at you.

50 murders happen a day in the USA. How many are charged as terror? Why is a CEO a special case. Please.

 

[rm082e]

50 murders happen a day in the USA. How many are charged as terror? Why is a CEO a special case. Please.

School shooters also get charged with terrorism (sometimes). This is nothing new. He didn't know the guy and his motivations were political, not personal. The murder was a message to the public, so it makes sense.

Prosecutors are sometimes hesitant to bring terrorism charges against these types of people because they're afraid it will raise their profile and inspire copy-cat acts. That's stupid depressing.

 

[Brigandier]

The majority of people don't make millions on the suffering of others as I said, fuck him he deserved it

You are a disgusting piece of shit... total cunt.

 

[DragoonKain]

The way you sound makes me think this guy was possibly one of your neighbors. Did he work on a car by your home?

I’m extremely into true crime and extremely pro law enforcement and incarceration for violent offenders. I say this about any murder case I follow. As someone who grew up with family in law enforcement I’m very passionate about getting victims justice.

 

[tamago84]

Relax Charles Bronson.

If the CEO was guilty of killing people being leader of a big insurance company, the laws would already had him and his fellow VP executives buddies behind bars the past decade.

A society thrives the most when people chill out and follow the rules. And western countries arent weird oppressed countries under warlord rules where at some point there's a breaking point. Let the authorities handle any shady business practices. If insurance companies are such scamming companies, the feds would had done something about it the past 100 years around the world.

https://www.wsj.com/health/healthcare/unitedhealth-medicare-payments-doctors-c2a343db

Lmao

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Clearly, the man, the father, the husband didn't deserve to die. RJ has nothing against the guy, just his job position! If he were one of the good ones, he wouldn't be in the position, and someone else would, therefore, that person would deserve to die.

It's like an unexpected promotion perk. Automatically once your net worth and yearly income exceed the nebulous number of poor, downtrodden First Worlders you screw over, you get marked by The Anti-Establishment TM.

Bookmarking this thread next time someone calls me an incel.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

A hefty demonizing court case and jail time would've achieved 0 1% more than how the people/media went about it

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

It doesn't seem like it, unless they are organizing and planning. Hasn't even been a month. It seems to have taken Mangione half a year to conceive his plan then execute, timeline details should emerge with the trial.

Civilization are fed up with these demons. Was a matter of time someone didn't give a fuck

 

[Meicyn]

 

[TDiddyLive]

Clearly, the man, the father, the husband didn't deserve to die. RJ has nothing against the guy, just his job position!

This is the person you’re defending:

Fuck that cunt, he deserved a bullet in the back so do they all, fucking justice for a parasitic leech who makes millions of the suffering of others, nah, may he rot in hell

fuck him he deserved it

you are the incredibly naive one here if you think he's worthy of any respect, he's a roach and he got put down like one.

I’m not thinking reading comprehension Is your thing.

 

[IDKFA]

Clearly, the man, the father, the husband didn't deserve to die. RJ has nothing against the guy, just his job position!

But the CEO did deserve to die because of his profession?

If you're unhappy with corporate America and the American health care system then campaigning for change.

Killing CEOs in cold blood isn't the answer.

 

[12Goblins]

Can y'all stop with the nonsense circular bickering dam

 

[TheInfamousKira]

ITT: People who need the /s disclaimer unironically

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I’m not thinking reading comprehension Is your thing.

Never quote me with something so ironic ever again.

 

[thefool]

Summary of this thread:

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Summary of this thread:

Speaking of which, back to the New York subway for a sec:

Terrifying video shows maniac with violent history shove straphanger into path of subway — as victim survives ‘by God’s own hand’

A straphanger is in critical condition after being shoved onto the path of a 1 train at a Manhattan subway station, police said.

nypost.com

Surprisingly subway menace Daniel Penny was not arrested and it was actually some other person with multiple arrests for violent conduct who was constantly released and treated with kiddie gloves. Well the guy survived so no harm no foul I hope the suspect is out and about soon, I think he is deserving of a fourth or fifth chance or whatever!

At this point, 45-year old man standing right at the edge of the platform with his back to all-comers? Almost asking for it.

 

[Kacho]

Have we figured out if Luigi is a hero yet? Are CEOs quaking in their boots?

 

[DeafTourette]

Have we figured out if Luigi is a hero yet? Are CEOs quaking in their boots?

Nothing has changed. CEOs are fine and safe.

 

[diffusionx]

Speaking of which, back to the New York subway for a sec:

Terrifying video shows maniac with violent history shove straphanger into path of subway — as victim survives ‘by God’s own hand’

A straphanger is in critical condition after being shoved onto the path of a 1 train at a Manhattan subway station, police said.

nypost.com

Surprisingly subway menace Daniel Penny was not arrested and it was actually some other person with multiple arrests for violent conduct who was constantly released and treated with kiddie gloves. Well the guy survived so no harm no foul I hope the suspect is out and about soon, I think he is deserving of a fourth or fifth chance or whatever!

At this point, 45-year old man standing right at the edge of the platform with his back to all-comers? Almost asking for it.

I was in the NYC subway yesterday. I guess if you go during rush hour during the week it can feel somewhat normal and functional but yesterday on the weekend? It was an insanely grim and depressing situation, junkies all over the place, beggars, people jumping turnstiles, just feels like a failed civilization at this point.