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videogamedunkey (Dunky) Thread

Zomba13

Member
foul language in a poor attempt at being funny = homophobe?
I mean it wouldn't surprise me at this point but that seems like false equivalence

Stuff like faggot and nigger aren't "foul language", it's straight up slurs and hate speech. There are plenty of other funny people who get by without using words that target minorities.

I have no issue with foul language, say shit like fuck and whatever as much as you like, but why use language like he used there? That only gets laughs from the idiots on 4chan and homophobes.
 

MrHoot

Member
Unless you're Louis CK anyway (or you know, any actual comedian who can work towards a joke), you might want to try different words to not appear as a tasteless idiot
 
I don't think he outright hates the media, I think he just brings up points of issues he has with them, and I agree with some of the points. But hey, I don't know the guy, maybe someone can ask him on Twitter or something.
 
Stuff like faggot and nigger aren't "foul language", it's straight up slurs and hate speech. There are plenty of other funny people who get by without using words that target minorities.

I have no issue with foul language, say shit like fuck and whatever as much as you like, but why use language like he used there? That only gets laughs from the idiots on 4chan and homophobes.

yep.
 
:/

I feel like you must have your head buried in the sand to be shocked by this. You guys do know that he was banned from League of Legends for hateful trash talking? Him saying faggot is like the least surprising thing about him considering his history with constantly shit talking online

Many can still look past that and enjoy his content for what it is, but he has never been a youtuber saint.
Edit: Sure, but you can't excuse him for that stuff, just look past it then. Like I said in my other post.
is his wife/gf on helium? that voice doesnt sound real



foul language in a poor attempt at being funny = homophobe?
I mean it wouldn't surprise me at this point but that seems like false equivalence
What the literal fuck is this shit. I thought we were past the point of excusing him in 2017. I excused a ton of Dunkey's garbage but him saying this shit is garbage tier.


I honestly don't give a fuck whether you enjoy him or not. You can continue to enjoy him, but stop falling over yourself trying to excuse your hero. There's a difference between Dunkey and Louie but I'll leave that for you to figure out.

Jesus Christ.
 
:/

I feel like you must have your head buried in the sand to be shocked by this. You guys do know that he was banned from League of Legends for hateful trash talking? Him saying faggot is like the least surprising thing about him considering his history with constantly shit talking online

Many can still look past that and enjoy his content for what it is, but he has never been a youtuber saint.
So I'm sorry to make you assume otherwise but just because I didn't know about THIS particular incident, doesn't mean that I wasn't aware of any others.

So please don't treat me like I don't know any of this. I just didn't know about that one moment.

I apologize.

It doesn't excuse him at all.
 
Edit: Sure, but you can't excuse him for that stuff, just look past it then. Like I said in my other post.

What the literal fuck is this shit. I thought we were past the point of excusing him in 2017. I excused a ton of Dunkey's garbage but him saying this shit is garbage tier.


I honestly don't give a fuck whether you enjoy him or not. You can continue to enjoy him, but stop falling over yourself trying to excuse your hero. There's a difference between Dunkey and Louie but I'll leave that for you to figure out.

Jesus Christ.

who said he was a hero? his videos are ok sometimes?
the problem seems more that insensitive belligerence is being normalized in online games rather than Dunkey literally hating homosexuals
 
The point about how major game critique sites can't really offer a unified opinion really rings true for me on reflection. Aggregated opinions can provide some information on a game, and opinions from specific public personalities are useful to get a specific point of view, but some generic IGN's specific taken on it's own just isn't personally valuable to me.
 

Blam

Member
:/

I feel like you must have your head buried in the sand to be shocked by this. You guys do know that he was banned from League of Legends for hateful trash talking? Him saying faggot is like the least surprising thing about him considering his history with constantly shit talking online

Many can still look past that and enjoy his content for what it is, but he has never been a youtuber saint.

No no I didn't think I needed a /s tag but it was sarcasm. I mean I wouldn't call someone a homophobe for saying f*ggot a few times on a stream.
 
"I wouldn't call somebody a racist cause he says nigger only like, five or six times when he's pissed".

(no, I'm not saying Dunky is a racist, chill I'm saying that's how it obviously comes off, and until he stops I don't watch anymore)
 
When I was younger I was taught never to say that word to anyone. I also always thought that the word sounded filthy when I thought about it. Filthy as in hurtful.

Glad I listened this time.
 

Alienfan

Member
You're probably not gay either.

Does he have a history of being homophobic? Because being on camera almost every day for years and years, someone's bound to say something tasteless. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't be criticised for saying "faggot" in 2017, he should be, but there's a big difference between criticising him and claiming he is a homophobe. Unless its a word he's used multiple times
 
The only thing I could agree with here is his props to Projared, Jim, and the like for more in depth reviews. Everything else, ehhh. He never nails these 'general industry commentary' videos. I'll just avoid these for now on.
 

drotahorror

Member
What's the game @ 8 minutes right before Mario 64? Jak and Daxter? Haven't played one of those games, but w/e it's showing looks cool although familiar.
 
Does he have a history of being homophobic? Because being on camera almost every day for years and years, someone's bound to say something tasteless. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't be criticised for saying "faggot" in 2017, he should be, but there's a big difference between criticising him and claiming he is a homophobe.

I play on Oceanic servers where that kind of language seems frequently used to greet someone. Had to remove a bunch of people from my friend list because I got tired of hearing autism used as an insult, on voice chat no less.

Seems extra common among MOBA and CS players
 
Does he have a history of being homophobic? Because being on camera almost every day for years and years, someone's bound to say something tasteless. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't be criticised for saying "faggot" in 2017, he should be, but there's a big difference between criticising him and claiming he is a homophobe. Unless its a word he's used multiple times
Plus, isn't one of his best friends gay? Using the word ain't right, but being best friends with a gay guy doesn't seem very homophobic to me.
 

Squire

Banned
Does he have a history of being homophobic? Because being on camera almost every day for years and years, someone's bound to say something tasteless. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't be criticised for saying "faggot" in 2017, he should be, but there's a big difference between criticising him and claiming he is a homophobe. Unless its a word he's used multiple times

He used it. What does the count matter? What has he done to earn the benefit of the doubt after using the word?

If he doesn't say it he won't have to field the allegation/assumption that he's a homophobe. You wear the shoe that fits.

Plus, isn't one of his best friends gay? Using the word ain't right, but being best friends with a gay guy doesn't seem very homophobic to me.

"I'm not racist! Look at all my black friends!!!"
 
Does he have a history of being homophobic? Because being on camera almost every day for years and years, someone's bound to say something tasteless. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't be criticised for saying "faggot" in 2017, he should be, but there's a big difference between criticising him and claiming he is a homophobe. Unless its a word he's used multiple times

He uses gay as a pejorative a lot. I like Dunkey, but I can also see that he can and has said some kind of shitty things. You can call these things out and be unhappy about them while still enjoying everything else

I don't think Dunkey is a homophobe, though. One of the people he works consistently with is Sky who is very openly gay, and while that may sound like a case of "it's okay I have a gay friend" nothing Dunkey has ever done has been hateful *toward* gay people. It's just a shitty part of online shit-talking culture. That doesn't excuse it, and I always have to preface that he can say some questionable stuff when recommending one of his videos to people. It would be great if I didn't have to do that

F*ggot is obviously intensely homophobic, but it isn't solely homophobic. The use of it sucks and calling it out is important, but people who can recognise that it sucks while still enjoying Dunkey content are excusing this behaviour. There is a larger discussion to be had over scarlet letter-ing people over any infraction and permanently labelling them as Problematic, but this probably isn't the place

The easiest course of action is to just, like, not say shitty stuff. Dunkey has very noticably cut down on that stuff, which I guess only serves to make it more disappointing when that stuff pops back up again

"I'm not racist! Look at all my black friends!!!"

I almost made it in time

What's the game @ 8 minutes right before Mario 64? Jak and Daxter? Haven't played one of those games, but w/e it's showing looks cool although familiar.

It's from the latest Ratchet and Clank
 
"I'm not racist! Look at all my black friends!!!"
Not saying he isn't wrong for using it, but a racist wouldn't be "best friends" with a black guy, that's not gonna happen.

Sky is gay, and sings praises of Dunkeys character on multiple occasions. I'm just saying we can be pretty sure he isn't a homophobe.
 

Shang

Member
You're probably not gay either.

I'm bi, and I have several queer friends. We say faggot, our straight friends say faggot, and we call each other faggots in jest all the time. It's a word, and without legitimate hurtful purpose behind it (which was clearly not there in the Dunkey video, it was a gag), it's just a word. There are bigger fish to fry than non-seriously using an insulting word with no target, and treating it as a big taboo only makes it as powerful as people pretend it is.

Plus, someone cited Louis CK in here, his whole thing also applies.
 

Akronis

Member
Not saying he isn't wrong for using it, but a racist wouldn't be "best friends" with a black guy, that's not gonna happen.

Sky is gay, and sings praises of Dunkeys character on multiple occasions. I'm just saying we can be pretty sure he isn't a homophobe.

Being friends with a minority doesn't give you permission to use slurs.
 

Zero-ELEC

Banned
Does he have a history of being homophobic? Because being on camera almost every day for years and years, someone's bound to say something tasteless.
You know, I've somehow spent the last 23 years of my life without saying "faggot" once. SOMEHOW

That doesn't mean someone shouldn't be criticised for saying "faggot" in 2017, he should be, but there's a big difference between criticising him and claiming he is a homophobe. Unless its a word he's used multiple times

If you use "faggots" as an insult when shit doesn't go your way, (and proceed to call people "puss[ies]" for caring) yeah, fuck off, you're a homophobe.
 
Being friends with a minority doesn't give you permission to use slurs.
Again I'm not saying that? He is wrong for using it, I agree. I'm saying it doesn't make him a homophobe like people here seem to think. It's like someone gets caught doing one thing and they are forever branded as something and a complete scumbag. It's ridiculous.
 

Squire

Banned
Not saying he isn't wrong for using it, but a racist wouldn't be "best friends" with a black guy, that's not gonna happen.

Sky is gay, and sings praises of Dunkeys character on multiple occasions. I'm just saying we can be pretty sure he isn't a homophobe.

Being friends with a minority doesn't give you permission to use slurs.

Also, lol Sky Williams.

Great guy there.

Again I'm not saying that? He is wrong for using it, I agree. I'm saying it doesn't make him a homophobe like people here seem to think. It's like someone gets caught doing one thing and they are forever branded as something and a complete scumbag. It's ridiculous.

It's holding someone to a standard.
 
Also, lol Sky Williams.

Great guy there.

So Sky has some shitty opinions that invalidates his sexuality?

It's holding someone to a standard.

No, it's accusatory. The standard is "Dont say this" not "You're hateful if you say this". Words are powerful, but they don't transform who *you* are when you say them

Saying Dunkey isn't homophobic isn't excusing or giving him permission to say the word. You can still be critical of that without slapping labels on people
 

Alienfan

Member
He used it. What does the count matter? What has he done to earn the benefit of the doubt after using the word?

If he doesn't say it he won't have to field the allegation/assumption that he's a homophobe. You wear the shoe that fits.

Does the shoe fit though? You're saying that he hates gay people, based on one incident where he used the word "faggot", out of the hundreds of hours he's logged as a streamer? Of course the count matters because doing something once can in some cases be written off as a moment of poor taste / mistake. I'm not really understanding how you're reaching that conclusion. If it's a regular occurrence then I agree with what you're saying, but it doesn't seem that way (I could be wrong).
 

Squire

Banned
So Sky has some shitty opinions that invalidates his sexuality?

No, Sky has the kind of opinions that mean I'm not gonna give any weight to anything he says, period.

what did Sky do?

Sky's gone all in on pandering to the GG mindset and that's not speculation. He had a big blowup (hell, a few) on Twitter earlier in the year. I know he went through some depressive episodes not too long before that and on that front I feel for him as I would anyone else, but he came out the other end and went the wrong direction entirely.

Edit: If you guys are comfortable with Dunkey's conduct, cool. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt in that he hasn't earned it. That he said it once or is friends with Sky Williams does nothing for me. Plenty of people have no issue not making this mistake at all.
 

Aurongel

Member
The notion that the opinions of several editors across an entire site should be consistent and logical over time is absurd at best. I get that this is mostly a goof video but there was seriously not a single thing Dunky said that makes an ounce of sense.
 
The notion that the opinions of several editors across an entire site should be consistent and logical over time is absurd at best. I get that this is mostly a goof video but there was seriously not a single thing Dunky said that makes an ounce of sense.

Yeah, this is the part where he lost me too. He's looking at huge businesses in the same way he looks at youtube personalities and that doesn't make sense at all.

No, Sky has the kind of opinions that mean I'm not gonna give any weight to anything he says, period.

Who cares, that's not relevant
 

hitgirl

Member
Dunkey makes a point I've been feeling that past 3 years, in that I'm not interested in 99% of what comes out because it just seems average. I haven't played a modern game (other than Witcher 3) in a long, long time and I'm pretty content with that. I've just been playing gems from past generations that are so, so much better than anything coming out now.
 

Squire

Banned
Yeah, this is the part where he lost me too. He's looking at huge businesses in the same way he looks at youtube personalities and that doesn't make sense at all.



Who cares, that's not relevant

Nah, whether someone is a GG scumbag is absolutely relevant to whether their opinion or perspective carries any weight whatsoever. You can ask around.
 

Bossking

Banned
Yeah, this is the part where he lost me too. He's looking at huge businesses in the same way he looks at youtube personalities and that doesn't make sense at all.

I think I see Dunkey's point. You only have one reviewer from say, IGN representing the site's viewpoint on a game through their review. It's not "John Dickity gives Bubsy 3D a 9.5", it's "IGN gives Bubsy 3D a 9.5", so it's weird to see IGN a few days later unanimously agreeing that Bubsy 3D was actually shit.

I really think more review sites need to go the EGM route and have multiple reviewers gives their opinions on one game in the review.
 
There is something poetic about how this thread has followed the exact same arc as the video.

Went from discussing the video to discussing Dunkey using slurs to a completely unrelated dude being a gamergater.
 
I think I see Dunkey's point. You only have one reviewer from say, IGN representing the site's viewpoint on a game through their review. It's not "John Dickity gives Bubsy 3D a 9.5", it's "IGN gives Bubsy 3D a 9.5", so it's weird to see IGN a few days later unanimously agreeing that Bubsy 3D was actually shit.

I really think more review sites need to go the EGM route and have multiple reviewers gives their opinions on one game in the review.

There is a kernel of truth in Dunkey's criticism, but I think it misses the forest for the trees. IGN hires a lot of writers because the cover a broad - maybe the broadest - amount of media possible. They cover way more than individual youtubers or even personality-driven sites with a few staff like Giant Bomb could. The point of IGN isn't exactly in-depth criticism, it's a consumer guide that offers opinions on pretty much anything out there. It's a one-stop-shop type of deal, geared more towards casual consumers looking to make purchasing decisions. It's not consistent, but it casts a wide net a smaller staff couldn't.

That's also an entirely fair reason to ignore/discount/not read them personally, it's just not really a knock against them. It's just a different kind of media, the same way Rolling Stone is different from a punk zine.

This was coming from a transgender reviewer who was one of the most unfortunately harassed reviewers of her time there, and one who constantly included gender roles as a source of compliments and complaints in her reviews. She was absolutely in the position to go harsher on this game's score, especially on a position that was incredibly important to her, and she gives the game a score that says Superb.

The writing simply does not match up with the score given, especially how harsh she (rightfully) is with the game's pathetic portrayal of women. And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of things wrong with GTA V, it's an incredibly mediocre game in nearly all aspects, but I fail to see how what she wrote there correlates with her score (even having read the rest of the review).

At the end of the day she knows her own feelings best, no? It's condescending to suggest otherwise. There's nothing in that paragraph that negates the game being a 9 if the reviewer felt the rest of the game was great. I really doubt she pulled her punches here; there is a lot of great media out there that has issues that are worth addressing, but don't crater the work as a whole. Final Fantasy 7's Honeybee Inn bullshit sucks, for example, but I don't think many people, if anyone, would consider a bad 20ish minutes of a 70 hour game worth writing off the whole experience over. Bad? Definitely. Worth writing about? You bet. Worth holding up as an example of what not to do? Absolutely. The same could be said of the issues the Persona series has.

The difference between general reviews and hyper-focused criticism is that reviews describe a piece of art as a whole, whereas criticism extrapolates on specific elements. People are complex and so are games, and it's very rare that any one issue with a game is going to sour them entirely. The radio in GTAV is often spotty and unfunny, but it's also a relatively minuscule part of the experience. Note that I think it's completely fair if it ruined the experience to a harsher degree for you than it did for the reviewer; I just think it's weird to want the reviewer to articulate that for you as opposed to, I dunno, just disagreeing and moving on.

It's entirely reasonable to be disappointed with that part and still thoroughly enjoy the rest of the game, and it's also unfair to insinuate that someone - especially someone who has written their review of the game already, giving you the best window into their experience possible - is somehow "wrong" about their own opinion on the matter. Life experience is not a set of RPG stats that you can mechanically examine to determine what someone's opinion should be.
 

Peroroncino

Member
Well this thread took a turn...

As for his newest vid, I like it, though I think he could also dwell a little more on youtubers since some of them are also guilty of 'the circle jerk', though not on a IGN/GS etc. level, which is part of the reason why I just stopped visiting their sites altogether, sure I may click occasionally on the review from a major outlet, but more out of curiosity about the game's features rather than actually seeking a valuable opinion, for that I have couple trusted youtubers, like ACG for example.
 
Dunkey makes a point I've been feeling that past 3 years, in that I'm not interested in 99% of what comes out because it just seems average. I haven't played a modern game (other than Witcher 3) in a long, long time and I'm pretty content with that. I've just been playing gems from past generations that are so, so much better than anything coming out now.

How would you know if you don't play anything lol
 

G-Bus

Banned
Wonder how many of these comments are coming from game reviewers from sites he's bashing?

Get what he's saying. Don't completely agree but his message is clear.

I like this guy.
 
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