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[LiquidMetal14]

I officially gave up my search for a 5090 for now. Sold my 4090 for 1500 and found an amazing deal on a 14900k, 48gb ddr5, and MSI Gaming x trip 4090. Keeping the 4090 and probably will sell the whole rig minus GPU.

I'd rather stay in my tier and not worry about finding vaporware with potential driver bugs needing to be ironed out.

I'm going to save for the 6000 series and try again in 2 years and enjoy this great binned 4090 I have now

 

[Chiggs]

I officially gave up my search for a 5090 for now. Sold my 4090 for 1500 and found an amazing deal on a 14900k, 48gb ddr5, and MSI Gaming x trip 4090. Keeping the 4090 and probably will sell the whole rig minus GPU.

I'd rather stay in my tier and not worry about finding vaporware with potential driver bugs needing to be ironed out.

I'm going to save for the 6000 series and try again in 2 years and enjoy this great binned 4090 I have now

And, honestly, doesn't it feel nice not playing the rabid consumer? Just enjoying what you have and waiting for a product that isn't kind of a fucking joke?

I got a 5090 but I'm half tempted to sell it at this point.

You absolutely should. I bet you could sell it for $5000. It's not like the card is that great, either.

 

[lachesis]

So I upgraded my living room gaming/pc the other day... but running 7800 igpu. Instead of installing really old left over GPU that I have, I tried to buy 5090/5080) - but couldn't find any.
I guess I'll be GPU-less for a few more weeks, as I think 9070/xt would sell out as well. 5070ti seems to be the most bang for buck (in Nvidia's term) - so I may try to get that if I can..

 

[Ulysses 31]

Spent my afternoon/evening trying to undervolt my 5090 FE

Not too great results to be honest. Seen some reduction in power consumption with negligible performance loss but temperatures aren't budging much if at all. As power hungry as this card is it is really running almost at full steam so to speak. There is some voltage overhead which is to be expected but you're not gonna drop temps without sacrificing performance, I think. I mean undervolting does require some performance sacrifice but I think to see any meaningful drop in temps you're gonna need to take a good hit to performance. I don't know how AIB's will perform in comparison.

I got down to 950mv but one of the benchmarks (superposition) crashed so I went back to 975mv and I tried a +250 memory OC but it slightly made performance worse. So just sticking to a 975mv curve. Default is 1050mv i think. My 4080 got ~100mv undervolt.

Not as good as my 4080 FE undervolting. It's been a while but I remember seeing a good ~3-4C drop in temperatures and up to 70W less power consumption while maintaining same performance. This was even with a ~+800 mem OC.

5090 is seeing at most 42W reduced power consumption. At most 3C lower. This is with losing 1.3-3fps across various games/benchmarks. There is some efficiency to be squeezed out but yeah this card is already going hard.

<550W power consumption is shocking but i'm actually seriously impressed at how quiet and cool this card runs at! The fans are much more audible than my 4080 but the frequency is so low it's not annoying or distracting when they go (max speed i saw was ~40%). Max temp I saw was 68C. It's a bit hotter than a 4080 but not by much. Compared to my 2080 it is a lot cooler. On that the same benchmarks I was running would hit mid 70s to low 80s.

EDIT: "idle" power consumption is higher for sure. My 4080 would sit ~15W. This is at about 25-30 if doing absolutely nothing. This GPU seems to be more sensitive as in it will hit higher temps faster but if you're doing the same thing for a while it will gradually drop down. For example, I'm running just Firefox/Apple Music and when I opened Nvidia app it was at ~60W but went down to about 40W.

EDIT 2: this is with my monitor at 240Hz which definitely affects GPU power obviously.

 

[V1LÆM]

those temps are excellent. my power-limited 3090 hits 78C all the time.

but what about heat output?
is a lot of hot air coming out of your pc?
heating up the room?

temps might be good, but it's still dissipating ~550w

Yeah I’m happy with temps. My 2080 was in mid 70s to low 80’s. 4080 was a bit cooler but 5090 temps are still really good.

It’s dumping out a lot of heat of course. Rear exhaust is warmest and I can feel hot air from my 360mm AIO. I have 4x140mm intake fans. 1x140mm exhaust and the AIO is 3x120mm.

The 4080 FE design i think is pulling cool air from below. The rear fan is directly pulling air in but the air is trapped and pushed out the rear or along the card to the front fan which is sucking air through a heat sink. Heat is dumped out the rear, sides to the front of the case, and the fan was blowing hot air up which would be in the direction of AIO exhausts and case intakes.

5090 is symmetrical in that it is directly pulling air in through both fans from below and pushing it straight out upwards. As a 2 slot design I don’t think it exhausts heat to the rear. I think there is some exhaust in the middle of the card as there are vents which looks like they would push air out the side and downwards.

The 5090 is pulling a lot of juice but it is very good at getting rid of the heat. Max temp was 68C, fans didn’t go above 41%. It’s really impressive they got down to a 2 slot while maintaining good temps/acoustics while handling 500W+

The fans are “louder”. My 4080 was basically silent and it was mostly at 30% speed. I can hear the 5090 but it’s not distracting. It’s a low kinda soft frequency so it sounds good. I haven’t manually set it higher to see what it sounds like at higher speeds.

 

[V1LÆM]

I’ll watch it

Maybe I done something wrong. Once super position crashed I took that as meaning it was unstable. Other benchmarks and games were fine. That said, time spy extreme kept crashing when the benchmark ended. I don’t think it was instability because it was happening at stock. Maybe just a software issue. Even after I quit and restarted steam it was still bugging out. Maybe superposition is buggy too.

 

[V1LÆM]

So he is using power limit. I have mine at 100% and I was using a voltage curve.

As good as it is to lower power consumption I don’t really want to be losing any performance even if it’s only a few %.

Can I set a core/memory “OC” and still lower power?

 

[peish]

I got a 5090 but I'm half tempted to sell it at this point.

just sell it! start with $5000.

The fun-anticipation of getting these launch cards is to have one on hand, touch it, and realize, you dont really need it as a busy salary person.

I bet in less than 12 months, nshitdia will refresh with a better binned skus, 5080ti/5090ti. Because of how messed up this has been.

 

[V1LÆM]

spent about 4 hours fucking about with my 5090 to try undervolt it better.

didn't have great results last night.

software/drivers seem really buggy as I spent most of the time trying to figure out WTF was happening. undervolting doesn't seem to work as it did on my 4080. i don't even know how to explain it....

eventually i got somewhere. these are my results

and this is the clock offset (+500 i think) and voltage curve i have

the gpu didn't seem to go far over 2400 clock speed 2407 sometimes. this was at 1025mv. i got 2400 down to about 880mv.

without the +500 core the GPU wouldn't boost beyond ~1900-2200. i didn't touch the lower end of the curve because i don't want it using excess voltage in low usage/idle.

i lost on average 2.9fps while dropping 7.5C and a reduction of 114.5W of power consumption!!! my 4080 max was 315W and i think a 4090 is around 450 ? so pretty damn impressive i think.

EDIT: might mess about with the memory later but i'm happy with these results. i picked cyberpunk because it is the most demanding game i have and because it has a benchmark. same for forza. very fast benchmark. and the only reason i didn't include more games/benchmarks is simply to cut down on time. i'll see how things go as i play more games.

 

[analog_future]

just sell it! start with $5000.

The fun-anticipation of getting these launch cards is to have one on hand, touch it, and realize, you dont really need it as a busy salary person.

I bet in less than 12 months, nshitdia will refresh with a better binned skus, 5080ti/5090ti. Because of how messed up this has been.

On the contrary, I think Nvidia have permanently deprioritized their high-end gaming GPUs because they have exponentially larger markups in the datacenter space, and us high-end gaming customers will be fighting for scraps for the foreseeable future.

 

[V1LÆM]

i can't make heads or tails of this fucking card.

thought my idle temps were high but seems normal. i uninstall MSI afterburner and done a clean install of drivers. seems normal.

but now i'm getting way more performance and still seeing a temp/power reduction.

yeah temps and power are higher than my previous post but so is performance... and it's still an improvement over stock settings.

i'm so confused.

 

[peish]

i can't make heads or tails of this fucking card.

thought my idle temps were high but seems normal. i uninstall MSI afterburner and done a clean install of drivers. seems normal.

but now i'm getting way more performance and still seeing a temp/power reduction.

yeah temps and power are higher than my previous post but so is performance... and it's still an improvement over stock settings.

i'm so confused.

the general feels is do not touch the voltages.

just do core and mem offset, see where it goes, and wait for driver updates.

 

[V1LÆM]

the general feels is do not touch the voltages.

just do core and mem offset, see where it goes, and wait for driver updates.

i'm undervolting.

and doing a core/mem offset.

this is my latest result

compared to my post above it's a ~2.47 drop in FPS, 0.25C drop in temp, and a 13.72W drop in power.

the only change i made was a +650 mem offset.

i'm happy with that.

but yeah shit is all over the shop. maybe after a few driver updates i'll redo everything.

 

[Draugoth]

The RTX 5090 is currently in stock in my country but no one is buying because the price is too high.

I can find the following cards to purchase

PNY : S3500
PNY OC RGB: $3799

And a whole bunch of RTX 5080s for $1700

 

[V1LÆM]

The RTX 5090 is currently in stock in my country but no one is buying because the price is too high.

I can find the following cards to purchase

PNY : S3500
PNY OC RGB: $3799

And a whole bunch of RTX 5080s for $1700

£3852 is the lowest here for the FE and £4587 the highest.

fuck knows about partner cards

 

[Draugoth]

£3852 is the lowest here for the FE and £4587 the highest.

fuck knows about partner cards

Some guys were going to buy them but they gave up because there's a 2 month waiting period.

 

[Hoddi]

spent about 4 hours fucking about with my 5090 to try undervolt it better.

didn't have great results last night.

software/drivers seem really buggy as I spent most of the time trying to figure out WTF was happening. undervolting doesn't seem to work as it did on my 4080. i don't even know how to explain it....

eventually i got somewhere. these are my results

and this is the clock offset (+500 i think) and voltage curve i have

the gpu didn't seem to go far over 2400 clock speed 2407 sometimes. this was at 1025mv. i got 2400 down to about 880mv.

without the +500 core the GPU wouldn't boost beyond ~1900-2200. i didn't touch the lower end of the curve because i don't want it using excess voltage in low usage/idle.

i lost on average 2.9fps while dropping 7.5C and a reduction of 114.5W of power consumption!!! my 4080 max was 315W and i think a 4090 is around 450 ? so pretty damn impressive i think.

EDIT: might mess about with the memory later but i'm happy with these results. i picked cyberpunk because it is the most demanding game i have and because it has a benchmark. same for forza. very fast benchmark. and the only reason i didn't include more games/benchmarks is simply to cut down on time. i'll see how things go as i play more games.

FWIW, the current 5000-series driver/BIOS is seemingly bugged regarding voltage control where simply unlocking it in MSI Afterburner can cause the clock speeds to drop 4-500mhz.

I had this issue on my own card and I've seen other people on Reddit (1, 2) with the same. I had to completely nuke my Afterburner and GPU driver because the issue kept coming back.

 

[OverHeat]

Fucking tired of looking for a 5090…might skip this gen..

 

[Ulysses 31]

Fucking tired of looking for a 5090…might skip this gen..

Oh sure, like you ain't even gonna considering buying one for the next 2 years, even if shops have them in stock.

 

[kittoo]

So I upgraded my living room gaming/pc the other day... but running 7800 igpu. Instead of installing really old left over GPU that I have, I tried to buy 5090/5080) - but couldn't find any.
I guess I'll be GPU-less for a few more weeks, as I think 9070/xt would sell out as well. 5070ti seems to be the most bang for buck (in Nvidia's term) - so I may try to get that if I can..

I am running a 9800x3d iGPU too

Built a new PC thinking will get a 5090. Can't find one and have no hope of finding one in near future. No worries I have patience. Will play on PS5 pro till then.

 

[V1LÆM]

Fucking tired of looking for a 5090…might skip this gen..

they are there to buy if you're willing to pay the price

next gen is gonna be more of the same. getting a 4090 was difficult. 5090 even more so. 6090 is gonna be more of the same or worse.

what about jumping on the S models?

I don't think we'll get a 5090 S / Ti but by the time the 5080 Super etc come out things should be better. then just skip each major release and wait for the S cards.

or go a gen behind. when the 6000 is about to come out you'll get people selling their 5090s.

 

[Ulysses 31]

I’ll watch it

Maybe I done something wrong. Once super position crashed I took that as meaning it was unstable. Other benchmarks and games were fine. That said, time spy extreme kept crashing when the benchmark ended. I don’t think it was instability because it was happening at stock. Maybe just a software issue. Even after I quit and restarted steam it was still bugging out. Maybe superposition is buggy too.

This dude got some interesting results.

-12% fps for ~38% less power.
- 6% fps for ~30% less power.
same fps for ~16% less power.

 

[OverHeat]

they are there to buy if you're willing to pay the price

next gen is gonna be more of the same. getting a 4090 was difficult. 5090 even more so. 6090 is gonna be more of the same or worse.

what about jumping on the S models?

I don't think we'll get a 5090 S / Ti but by the time the 5080 Super etc come out things should be better. then just skip each major release and wait for the S cards.

or go a gen behind. when the 6000 is about to come out you'll get people selling their 5090s.

Nope I will pass

 

[manfestival]

anyone want to sell me their 5090 for like... $500? i will buy it as long as it is brand new. Thanks

 

[Spukc]

anyone want to sell me their 5090 for like... $500? i will buy it as long as it is brand new. Thanks

you need to adjust your offer price there buddy.
i got a spare one willing to sell for 5K

 

[manfestival]

you need to adjust your offer price there buddy.
i got a spare one willing to sell for 5K

Look man im trying to support a family of one. I am down bad with a 4090 and without 3x fake frames I wont be able to see in 30fps. Help a fellow gaffer out.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Nope I will pass

German scalpers are offering it for 4500+ Euros.

 

[PSYGN]

Nope I will pass

For the rich or the stupid and both are not exclusive

 

[Spukc]

Look man im trying to support a family of one. I am down bad with a 4090 and without 3x fake frames I wont be able to see in 30fps. Help a fellow gaffer out.

i am willing to lower the price to 4k

 

[lachesis]

I am running a 9800x3d iGPU too

Built a new PC thinking will get a 5090. Can't find one and have no hope of finding one in near future. No worries I have patience. Will play on PS5 pro till then.

Hopefully this ridiculous gpu shortages would be relieved someday.

Luckily, I am pleasantly surprised by 7800x3d igpu. Basic HDR, 4k output etc for streaming and watching stuff works fine. Just can't play any games! Lol... March can't come fast enough for more options and gpu availability.

 

[kittoo]

Hopefully this ridiculous gpu shortages would be relieved someday.

Luckily, I am pleasantly surprised by 7800x3d igpu. Basic HDR, 4k output etc for streaming and watching stuff works fine. Just can't play any games! Lol... March can't come fast enough for more options and gpu availability.

Seriously. I thought 120Hz 4K HDR display or 4K video playback might be an issue. Not at all! Its just as smooth and clean as my earlier 3080.
Games I havent even tried and have no intention of trying LOL.

 

[peish]

damn AI step function change. Jensen wins, get your 5090 now!

 

[Ulysses 31]

Those undervolt settings from Yes Tech City work surprisingly well, not worried about temps anymore when putting my 5090 FE to work in my rackmount case.

Testing the 2300Mhz @ 875mV. Gonna check later how big the performance hit is in games but it should be around 15% for almost 40% less power usage.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Fucking tired of looking for a 5090…might skip this gen..

I see countless posts in USA subreddits where they just say "oh, scored a 5090! Beat the bots without really trying"

motherfucks

Canadian situation is dire.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I'm at the point of saying 5080's are decent value if FE's are available. They're pretty much assured of getting close to 4090's and they're a lot cheaper. They're a weird release from Nvidia, appalling value at stock, but can overclock to make them worthwhile for the price.

The 16GB will be an issue, but an 80 series is a high setting 1440p card in a couple of years anyway.

Tell me you didn’t watch a single review a look at performance numbers for the 5080 without actually telling me you didn’t.

The 5080 isn’t remotely close to the 4090 in terms of performance.

 

[Gamer79]

I just see little reason why a 40 series owner would go to the 50 series. Just not enough of an upgrade IMO.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

even my 3090 is going for more than 2x what i paid for it

 

[moogman]

Tell me you didn’t watch a single review a look at performance numbers for the 5080 without actually telling me you didn’t.

The 5080 isn’t remotely close to the 4090 in terms of performance.

They're almost all getting within 5% of the 4090. Am I missing something as that seems to be the norm on all reviews I've seen. Are there actually any out there that don't overclock well, I'm genuinely interested as everything I've seen has said the same?

It's still limited by the 16GB but it's definitely not as bad as it seemed when it was released as long as you're prepared to overclock it. At FE prices that's decent value but not worth more than that.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I just see little reason why a 40 series owner would go to the 50 series. Just not enough of an upgrade IMO.

Agreed. My 4090 looks great right now. If a founders 5090 fell into my lap at MSRP I might buy it and sell my 4090, but based on the fact that there is virtually no generational uplift, there is little reason to upgrade. Basically you 25% more perf using 25% more power at 25% more cost. Not exciting. My biggest concern is the power draw.

Nvidia basically mailed it for Blackwell.

 

[Gamer79]

Agreed. My 4090 looks great right now. If a founders 5090 fell into my lap at MSRP I might buy it and sell my 4090, but based on the fact that there is virtually no generational uplift, there is little reason to upgrade. Basically you 25% more perf using 25% more power at 25% more cost. Not exciting. My biggest concern is the power draw.

Nvidia basically mailed it for Blackwell.

There are already post and videos out there showing the 5090 melting some of the connector cables.

 

[FingerBang]

Agreed. My 4090 looks great right now. If a founders 5090 fell into my lap at MSRP I might buy it and sell my 4090, but based on the fact that there is virtually no generational uplift, there is little reason to upgrade. Basically you 25% more perf using 25% more power at 25% more cost. Not exciting. My biggest concern is the power draw.

Nvidia basically mailed it for Blackwell.

Honestly? The jump from a 4090 to a 5090 makes very little difference for gaming.

Got the 4090 hooked to my TV 4k/120hz. The 5090 is on a 4K/240hz display at my workstation. Hell of a card, but the difference between the two is minimal unless your goal is to play at ultra settings, no upscaling and are fine with low FPS. I haven't even tried MFG

It's a beast, and if you have the money and need a GPU (and can get it at MSRP), absolutely go for it. But I honestly wouldn't say it's a massive upgrade from a 4090. They will definitely age really well. I think the 4090 will still likely be more powerful than a 6070ti with the 5090 probably at least as fast as a 6080.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

I had a look and the FOMO lasted about 10 minutes. Really don't see why I need to upgrade my 3080 at the moment. It gets over 60fps on all current games and I can't see that changing this year.

I'll save up some cash and probably just replace my rig next year.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

They're almost all getting within 5% of the 4090. Am I missing something as that seems to be the norm on all reviews I've seen. Are there actually any out there that don't overclock well, I'm genuinely interested as everything I've seen has said the same?

It's still limited by the 16GB but it's definitely not as bad as it seemed when it was released as long as you're prepared to overclock it. At FE prices that's decent value but not worth more than that.

No. They’re not. Quit lying and watch the actual reviews.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

The melting connector issue is back.


Original posts suggested that it was user error, but debauer goes over why that it quite unlikely.


Maybe nvidia shortened supply to minimize affected customers.

Really sweet of them.

 

[moogman]

No. They’re not. Quit lying and watch the actual reviews.

Are we talking about the same thing? I am specifically talking about their overclocking headroom and all the reviews have been consistent in that. I'm, not talking about stock....

It goes +400mhz on core with virtually no extra power draw on every single overclocking review I've seen so far which gives 10 to 15% extra performance.

 

[Hohenheim]

Got a update on my 5090 order today, it has shipped! Will arrive tomorrow.
I was getting ready for bad news, as I read about lots of customers getting their orders cancelled the last week due to retailers getting even fewer cards than they managed to order.

 

[analog_future]

Got a update on my 5090 order today, it has shipped! Will arrive tomorrow.
I was getting ready for bad news, as I read about lots of customers getting their orders cancelled the last week due to retailers getting even fewer cards than they managed to order.

Congrats! Where'd you order from?

 

[Hohenheim]

Congrats! Where'd you order from?

Thanks! Ordered from a huge electronics retailer in scandinavia called "Elgiganten".
Got the MSI Gaming Trio version.

 

[V1LÆM]

redone my undervolt today on the 5090 FE.

basically same performance as stock (0.4fps higher to be exact) and on average 5C cooler/75.6W less power consumption.

this is with a +700 core/+650 memory offset.

The melting connector issue is back.


Original posts suggested that it was user error, but debauer goes over why that it quite unlikely.


Maybe nvidia shortened supply to minimize affected customers.

Really sweet of them.

other well respected people out there that disagree with this youtuber.

something seems suspicious about this guys video.

 

[moogman]

redone my undervolt today on the 5090 FE.

basically same performance as stock (0.4fps higher to be exact) and on average 5C cooler/75.6W less power consumption.

this is with a +700 core/+650 memory offset.


other well respected people out there that disagree with this youtuber.

something seems suspicious about this guys video.

There's definitely something not right, and I'm sure we'll find whatever the issue is (probably cables is my guess). He's very well respected himself though, and isn't primarily a Youtuber - he's the CeO of Thermal Grizzly and runs HWBot. He's also been well known in overclocking for over 15 years so does know what he's doing to be fair.