Windows Central/Jez Corden: Xbox's new hardware plans begin with a gaming handheld set for later this year, with full next-gen consoles targeting 2027

Having a partnership with hardware that you'll be competing with in a few years seems like a really odd choice.

The most interesting question is what will the 2027 handheld be running that's different from the partnership devices?

There’s no certainty that Microsoft will produce their own handheld.

Hardware was very much a Ballmer thing…

- Xbox console
- Zune
- Windows Phone (Lumia)
- Surface
- Microsoft Band
- HoloLens

…these were all initiatives that started when Ballmer replaced Gates as CEO in 2000. These are all either failed or failing products.

Satya Nadella seem very keen to take Microsoft back to the Gates era of being a software only company.

We could see a bunch of Windows 12 handheld and desktop gaming PCs that, if they meet certain criteria, will bear an Xbox logo in future.

One criteria will certainly be an Xbox logo button that directly take you to the Xbox app dashboard.

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Zacfoldor

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Wait, holup, lol.

So this is an OEM partnership and it only plays PC games, with NO native Xbox games?

Tom wrote, "Keenan is part of PC gaming handheld work with OEMs, like Microsoft's VP of Next Gen told us at CES"

So it's PC only and not even playing Xbox games natively, just the PC ports of those games? Also OEM(s) fucking PLURAL? Is this even a device or is this more of an outreach program to the current PC gaming handheld makers to help them make the systems work better? A "PC Gaming Handheld" would be a thing, "PC Gaming Handheld Work" is an outreach program. Will there actually be one single device to buy coming out of "Keenan"? Sounds to me like it is more of an outreach program. A fucking nothingburger.

Why is Jez trying to hype this shit? Why not just get a steamdeck if you want a handheld PC that has support....if this isn't even an Xbox then I don't even know what the fuck. How can they keep getting away with it?
 
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Wait, holup, lol.

So this is an OEM partnership and it only plays PC games, with NO native Xbox games?

Tom wrote, "Keenan is part of PC gaming handheld work with OEMs, like Microsoft's VP of Next Gen told us at CES"

So it's PC only and not even playing Xbox games natively, just the PC ports of those games? Also OEM(s) fucking PLURAL? Is this even a device or is this more of an outreach program to the current PC gaming handheld makers to help them make the systems work better? A "PC Gaming Handheld" would be a thing, "PC Gaming Handheld Work" is an outreach program. Will there actually be one single device to buy coming out of "Keenan"? Sounds to me like it is more of an outreach program. A fucking nothingburger.

Why is Jez trying to hype this shit? Why not just get a steamdeck if you want a handheld PC that has support....if this isn't even an Xbox then I don't even know what the fuck. How can they keep getting away with it?

Easy... MS wants to transform this whole portable gaming pc market as a XBOX market, like xbox = any kind of portable gaming pc (n typical MS behavior, I'd add). Stupid? IMHO, absolutely.
 

Zacfoldor

Member
Easy... MS wants to transform this whole portable gaming pc market as a XBOX market, like xbox = any kind of portable gaming pc (n typical MS behavior, I'd add). Stupid? IMHO, absolutely.
Haha, sounds to me like they want to pretend they got a new handheld coming out this year but really they are just starting work on making big picture mode native to windows. It boggles the mind in many ways, like why are they this late adding gaming features to windows, and how bad are they with communication, like come on, really? This whole thing has been so poorly communicated.
 
Haha, sounds to me like they want to pretend they got a new handheld coming out this year but really they are just starting work on making big picture mode native to windows. It boggles the mind in many ways, like why are they this late adding gaming features to windows, and how bad are they with communication, like come on, really? This whole thing has been so poorly communicated.

Poor comunication is a stable of MS since i don't even know when... what is strange is the fact that this market (portable gaming pcs) is super niche and absolutely scatered between a LOT of devices.
 

yurinka

Member
Wait, holup, lol.

So this is an OEM partnership and it only plays PC games, with NO native Xbox games?

Tom wrote, "Keenan is part of PC gaming handheld work with OEMs, like Microsoft's VP of Next Gen told us at CES"

So it's PC only and not even playing Xbox games natively, just the PC ports of those games?_
Xbox hardware is dying, so pretty likely there won't be next gen Xbox 'consoles'. MS already have their XBO and Series games ported to their PC store, no need to run Xbox games natively.

They could add a Xbox OG and 360 emulator to run the games supported in their consoles and problem solved.

Also OEM(s) fucking PLURAL? Is this even a device or is this more of an outreach program to the current PC gaming handheld makers to help them make the systems work better? A "PC Gaming Handheld" would be a thing, "PC Gaming Handheld Work" is an outreach program. Will there actually be one single device to buy coming out of "Keenan"? Sounds to me like it is more of an outreach program. A fucking nothingburger.
Pretty likely what MS will do is to introduce a handheld+tv friendly Xbox UI/mode for a future Windows update or version. And chase / support all 3rd party PC manufacturers use it, particularly those who make PC handheld or consolized PCs, and maybe to give them a Xbox stamp or logo for the box of those devices that achieve certain HW specs.

Basically their own Steam Machines, this is the future or Xbox. Pretty likely they'll take one of these 3rd party handheld PCs and one of these consolized PCs made by Asus or Lenovo to use it as reference for the devs and marketing.

Poor comunication is a stable of MS since i don't even know when... what is strange is the fact that this market (portable gaming pcs) is super niche and absolutely scatered between a LOT of devices.
The focus of MS pretty likely will be to sell games and Windows, not hardware. So the more 3rd party manufacturers join this instead of Steam OS, better for them.
 
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So it's PC only and not even playing Xbox games natively, just the PC ports of those games? Also OEM(s) fucking PLURAL? Is this even a device or is this more of an outreach program to the current PC gaming handheld makers to help them make the systems work better? A "PC Gaming Handheld" would be a thing, "PC Gaming Handheld Work" is an outreach program. Will there actually be one single device to buy coming out of "Keenan"? Sounds to me like it is more of an outreach program. A fucking nothingburger.

Microsoft are done with the console market and the subsidised console business.

Microsoft’s future in gaming looks like this…

- Publishing Microsoft Studios, Bethesda and Activision games on as many platforms as possible

- Running a marketplace to buy and run games on PC

- Streaming games on PC and mobile (this is how backwards compatibility will work)

- “Xbox” brand can be used by OEM hardware that meets all the below criteria

1. Runs Windows
2. Has a physical “Xbox” logo button
3. Powerful enough to play most modern games
 
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Wait, holup, lol.

So this is an OEM partnership and it only plays PC games, with NO native Xbox games?

Tom wrote, "Keenan is part of PC gaming handheld work with OEMs, like Microsoft's VP of Next Gen told us at CES"

So it's PC only and not even playing Xbox games natively, just the PC ports of those games? Also OEM(s) fucking PLURAL? Is this even a device or is this more of an outreach program to the current PC gaming handheld makers to help them make the systems work better? A "PC Gaming Handheld" would be a thing, "PC Gaming Handheld Work" is an outreach program. Will there actually be one single device to buy coming out of "Keenan"? Sounds to me like it is more of an outreach program. A fucking nothingburger.

Why is Jez trying to hype this shit? Why not just get a steamdeck if you want a handheld PC that has support....if this isn't even an Xbox then I don't even know what the fuck. How can they keep getting away with it?
Yeah some have been saying for a bit now this is just a Windows machine so what's the point of it?
 

Orbital2060

Member
I like the idea but I need to see what it actually does. If it has any differentiating factors from other handhelds, fx some Xbox related features.

Having access to Xbox games and Steam library could be pretty neat.
 
I like the idea but I need to see what it actually does. If it has any differentiating factors from other handhelds, fx some Xbox related features.

Having access to Xbox games and Steam library could be pretty neat.

This is the big question mark

I wouldn’t be surprised if the “Xbox games” are basically just the ones available on the Windows Xbox store (Play Anywhere games).

Games you bought for your old Xbox consoles are likely either going to be streamed or just a case of keeping your old hardware.

What are the repercussions with third party publishers regarding games they made for console, would they all agree to just let MS suddenly put them on PC?
 
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jm89

Member
Wait, holup, lol.

So this is an OEM partnership and it only plays PC games, with NO native Xbox games?

Tom wrote, "Keenan is part of PC gaming handheld work with OEMs, like Microsoft's VP of Next Gen told us at CES"

So it's PC only and not even playing Xbox games natively, just the PC ports of those games? Also OEM(s) fucking PLURAL? Is this even a device or is this more of an outreach program to the current PC gaming handheld makers to help them make the systems work better? A "PC Gaming Handheld" would be a thing, "PC Gaming Handheld Work" is an outreach program. Will there actually be one single device to buy coming out of "Keenan"? Sounds to me like it is more of an outreach program. A fucking nothingburger.

Why is Jez trying to hype this shit? Why not just get a steamdeck if you want a handheld PC that has support....if this isn't even an Xbox then I don't even know what the fuck. How can they keep getting away with it?
So it could be a pc handheld with them pushing windows store for you to buy games and the ability to install steam?

That is gonna end up like a wet fart if so.
 
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jm89

Member
This is the big question mark

I wouldn’t be surprised if the “Xbox games” are basically just the ones available on the Windows Xbox store (Play Anywhere games).

Games you bought for your old Xbox consoles are likely either going to be streamed or just a case of keeping your old hardware.

What are the repercussions with third party publishers regarding games they made for console, would they all agree to just let MS suddenly put them on PC?
My guess they leverage cloud gaming to allow playing your games you purchased on xbox on this device.
 
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Microsoft are done with the console market and the subsidised console business.

Microsoft’s future in gaming looks like this…

- Publishing Microsoft Studios, Bethesda and Activision games on as many platforms as possible

- Running a marketplace to buy and run games on PC

- Streaming games on PC and mobile (this is how backwards compatibility will work)

- “Xbox” brand can be used by OEM hardware that meets all the below criteria

1. Runs Windows
2. Has a physical “Xbox” logo button
3. Powerful enough to play most modern games
If they really push streaming as keeping your bc I’ll laugh my ass off.
 

Zannegan

Member
I wonder if they'll go for detachable controllers a la the Switch or make it a straight handheld like Steam Deck. If detachable, I wonder what, if any, Switch 2 features they'll spring for: magnetic attachment, the mouse sensor (which I know exists elsewhere), etc.

I kind of feel like they'll go for a unibody design but have a dock and launch their new controller alongside the handheld.
 
My guess they leverage cloud gaming to allow playing your games you purchased on xbox on this device.

Will every third party allow that though?

When they sold you that game, it was only for use on Xbox consoles. They opted out of “Play Anywhere”.

This is where it gets messy, which is why Microsoft are being smart about being so fucking vague.
 

jm89

Member
Will every third party allow that though?

When they sold you that game, it was only for use on Xbox consoles. They opted out of “Play Anywhere”.

This is where it gets messy, which is why Microsoft are being smart about being so fucking vague.
Yeah i guess it depends what the third parties signed up to.

I think ms might be running games off xbox hardware in the cloud and maybe that's what the third parties signed up to? Idk.

Sony seems like they did that, as they are always adding games to the cloud.
 
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Yeah i guess it depends what the third parties signed up to.

I think ms might be running games off xbox hardware in the cloud and maybe that's what the third parties signed up to? Idk.

Sony seems like they did that, as they are always adding games to the cloud.

Indeed they did

That’s how you were able to play old PS3 games on PS4 and PC, but it was a subscription service and only provided PS3 games that publishers approved.

This isn’t a technology issue, playing x86 Xbox games on future x86 hardware shouldn’t be an issue, it’s whether or not publishers allow it. Backwards compatibility between generations of consoles is one thing, mass dumping every console game on PC store is another.
 
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There’s no certainty that Microsoft will produce their own handheld.

Hardware was very much a Ballmer thing…

- Xbox console
- Zune
- Windows Phone (Lumia)
- Surface
- Microsoft Band
- HoloLens

…these were all initiatives that started when Ballmer replaced Gates as CEO in 2000. These are all either failed or failing products.

Satya Nadella seem very keen to take Microsoft back to the Gates era of being a software only company.

We could see a bunch of Windows 12 handheld and desktop gaming PCs that, if they meet certain criteria, will bear an Xbox logo in future.

One criteria will certainly be an Xbox logo button that directly take you to the Xbox app dashboard.
Unlikely would be the safe bet with their current trajectory away from consoles altogether but there's still a chance even if as a...well, "last ditch effort" sounds more desperate than I'd intend. Yet also...yeah, kinda that. Definitely seems to be a lot of smoke there it's worth speculating aboutnot to mention a lot of fun. Personally I'd love to see them pull off a miracle that let's them stay in the hardware biz for those who don't want to leave it.
 

Jigsaah

Gold Member
Hmmm. I was gonna wait for Steam Deck 2...but without that being announced, maybe this could be what I pick up. I was watching Mr. Matty Play's take on this. He was saying something about maybe there being another handheld that could be released alongside Xbox's new hardware...maybe one of their own making? I could be mistaken. But if they do that....wouldn't it compromise the sales of this year's handheld? Or at the very least, it would be a big fuck you to early adopters of this rumored handheld?
 

Kacho

Member
Hmmm. I was gonna wait for Steam Deck 2...but without that being announced, maybe this could be what I pick up. I was watching Mr. Matty Play's take on this. He was saying something about maybe there being another handheld that could be released alongside Xbox's new hardware...maybe one of their own making? I could be mistaken. But if they do that....wouldn't it compromise the sales of this year's handheld? Or at the very least, it would be a big fuck you to early adopters of this rumored handheld?
The way I understand it is this:

2025: Partner handheld is PC focused. Windows 11 is getting tweaked to work better on handhelds. Maybe we’ll see it next week at GDC.

2027: Xbox handheld is console focused but also blends together the console and PC experiences.

These devices are targeting two different audiences. The only potential overlap would be level 100 Xbros like Tom Warren.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Unlikely would be the safe bet with their current trajectory away from consoles altogether but there's still a chance even if as a...well, "last ditch effort" sounds more desperate than I'd intend. Yet also...yeah, kinda that. Definitely seems to be a lot of smoke there it's worth speculating aboutnot to mention a lot of fun. Personally I'd love to see them pull off a miracle that let's them stay in the hardware biz for those who don't want to leave it.
I don't doubt that people in MS are working on a new Xbox. But I would be a little surprised if they end up releasing a new piece of hardware. It just doesn't make sense for so many reasons. MS could cancel it at any moment and I see that as more likely than a new console coming out.
 
I don't doubt that people in MS are working on a new Xbox. But I would be a little surprised if they end up releasing a new piece of hardware. It just doesn't make sense for so many reasons. MS could cancel it at any moment and I see that as more likely than a new console coming out.
TBF pretty much the whole gen so far with the Series X/S has been a headscratcher with conflicting decisions, mixed messaging, and sudden snap changes that I'm hesitant to put a definitive no to anything at this point. We've pretty much had to flush any logical thinking at this point down the shitter.
 

Topher

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How do I read this shit without a sub?

Topher Topher usually knows how to copy paste the whole article

Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer warned in November that the mythical Xbox handheld is a few years away and only at the prototype stage right now. But if you read the headlines this week, you might think it’s actually arriving later this year.

A new report from Windows Central claims that “Xbox’s new hardware plans begin with a gaming handheld set for later this year, with full next-gen consoles targeting 2027” and that Microsoft is working on a “Project Keenan” handheld in partnership with an unnamed OEM. The report has generated plenty of headlines about an Xbox handheld arriving in 2025, but the reality is a little more complicated and related to Microsoft’s Xbox platform work to compete with SteamOS.

Sources familiar with Microsoft’s plans tell me the company’s Xbox platform plans for this year and beyond are centered on one big goal: the unification of Windows and Xbox. Jason Ronald, VP of Xbox gaming devices and ecosystem, revealed to The Verge in January that the company is combining “the best of Xbox and Windows together” and that we’d start to see changes later in 2025.

I understand the Xbox work that has hit the headlines this week is actually called Project Kennan, not Keenan. I’m told that Kennan is the codename for a handheld that is being manufactured by Asus, and it’s part of a larger effort from Microsoft to unify Windows and Xbox towards a universal library of Xbox and PC games.

I’m told that Asus is one of the launch partners for these efforts, with an Xbox-branded handheld likely to debut later this year. I say likely because a lot of this platform work is still ongoing, so until Microsoft officially announces it, timelines could change.

The device itself will be powered by Windows underneath but with an interface that more closely resembles what you’d find on an Xbox. I wouldn’t be surprised if Microsoft has some kind of certified hardware program here, so that only approved third-party devices can run “the best of Xbox and Windows.”

Some of this platform work is codenamed Project Bayside, part of an Xbox UX framework that is designed to ensure there’s a common Xbox UI across multiple devices to help combine Windows and Xbox. Together, Kennan and Bayside represent some of the work that Ronald was hinting at, opening up the benefits of Xbox to the broader Windows ecosystem.

Microsoft is also working on combining Windows and Xbox in a way where there’s a single store of games and an easier path for game developers to build titles that span across handhelds, console-like hardware, and PC gaming rigs.
The big question is whether all of these platform changes will unlock the ability to play Xbox games on these new handheld gaming PCs. Microsoft has a lot of experience running emulators to get original Xbox and Xbox 360 games working on the Xbox One and Xbox Series S / X, so if anyone can bring Xbox games to PC, it’s Microsoft.

Community efforts to get Xbox One games running on PC are making solid progress, with XWineOne and WinDurango both working on layers to translate Xbox API calls to Windows ones. It’s similar to some of the work Valve has done with Proton to get Windows games running on Linux.

Most of the community progress with Xbox One games running on PC has been thanks to a kernel exploit for Xbox One and Xbox Series consoles that was uncovered last year. This exploit, which was actually a flaw in Windows, was patched quickly by Microsoft, but it was too late to stop enthusiasts dumping Xbox One games to get a better understanding of how they’re different from their PC versions.

While we wait to see if the community can come up with a full solution to run Xbox games on Windows, it looks like Microsoft is working on something similar. Xbox president Sarah Bond created a new team focused on game preservation and forward compatibility in early 2024, which suggests that Microsoft is working through the licensing hurdles to somehow preserve existing Xbox digital libraries for this universal library of Xbox and PC games.
It’s reasonable to assume that these Xbox platform changes will shape the future of Xbox consoles, too. I wrote last month that “I don’t think Microsoft is embarking on such a big project without these handheld-focused platform changes being the foundation for whatever Xbox hardware comes next.”

Windows Central reports that Microsoft is working on a “premium successor” to the Xbox Series X alongside its own Xbox handheld that is tentatively slated for release in 2027. I’m fully expecting Microsoft’s next Xbox console to be a lot more PC-like, so the Kennan and Bayside projects will likely give us an early look at how the next-gen Xbox will take shape on the software side, at least.

These Xbox platform changes could also help fend off the threat of SteamOS. I wrote last year that Microsoft is now in a handheld gaming PC race, with Valve allowing device makers to offer SteamOS on their handhelds instead of Windows. Microsoft has been slow to respond to the Steam Deck, particularly around improving the Windows experience on handhelds like Asus’ ROG Ally. Valve opening up SteamOS last summer and then Lenovo introducing its own SteamOS-powered handheld in January will have sounded the alarms inside Microsoft, because if one Windows OEM has already been tempted by SteamOS then what’s stopping more of them from switching?

This is particularly relevant beyond the emerging market of handhelds, too. Valve is now in a far better position to make its console-like Steam Machines a reality, thanks to the success of the Steam Deck and its Proton work. If OEMs get comfortable with SteamOS on their handhelds, the next logical step is a demand for SteamOS on something more like a miniature PC or game console.

Microsoft is already struggling to compete with Sony’s PlayStation hardware sales, but if its next-gen Xbox platform is able to run on more PC-like hardware, it could compete a lot more closely. It would also make those “this is an Xbox” ads make a lot more sense.

There are a lot of ifs, buts, and maybes here. Ultimately, it’s the execution from Microsoft that will be important. I’ve already laid out how I think Microsoft can turn Windows PCs into an Xbox, and all that is left is to hear from Microsoft on exactly how it will merge the best bits of Windows and Xbox.
 
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I mean, the alternative here is that they could just not make shit decisions that elicit such responses?
Yeah ive been critical of them but lets be honest they’ve been releasing good titles at a steady pace as of late and despite the abk deal forcing their hand to recoup money by strategically putting some titles on ps/switch they definitely have incentivized owning a game pass subscription as of lately and that seems to continue being the case for the foreseeable future. Last years summer showcase was indicative of such. And if they are turning a leaf and making good decisions why not be happy about that if youre a fan of the brand ? I think some people need to just be honest and say theyre no longer a fan of the brand and actually wanna see them go away. I just dont include myself in that group so im happy to see they havent waved the white flag in terms of hardware. With gpu costs being what they are i think a pc hybrid with other launchers can be enticing
 
Yeah ive been critical of them but lets be honest they’ve been releasing good titles at a steady pace as of late and despite the abk deal forcing their hand to recoup money by strategically putting some titles on ps/switch they definitely have incentivized owning a game pass subscription as of lately and that seems to continue being the case for the foreseeable future. Last years summer showcase was indicative of such. And if they are turning a leaf and making good decisions why not be happy about that if youre a fan of the brand ? I think some people need to just be honest and say theyre no longer a fan of the brand and actually wanna see them go away. I just dont include myself in that group so im happy to see they havent waved the white flag in terms of hardware. With gpu costs being what they are i think a pc hybrid with other launchers can be enticing
What brand?

Xbox is the console. Always had been. Microsoft had been making games for decades before Xbox existed, and the name Xbox mean the Direct X in hardware. Xbox dies with the hardware going away and going back to being a PC. There is no brand. At least face reality and not go into denial. And part of going third party means a lot of Xbox titles will disappear, just like many SEGA titles when they go third party. Xbox is going away. When the hybrid console fail, Microsoft would use that excuse to pull the plug.
 
What brand?

Xbox is the console. Always had been. Microsoft had been making games for decades before Xbox existed, and the name Xbox mean the Direct X in hardware. Xbox dies with the hardware going away and going back to being a PC. There is no brand. At least face reality and not go into denial. And part of going third party means a lot of Xbox titles will disappear, just like many SEGA titles when they go third party. Xbox is going away. When the hybrid console fail, Microsoft would use that excuse to pull the plug.
Thanks for the history lesson i was already well aware of. Just another person who isn’t a fan of the brand and wants to see it go away. Not saying the hybrid console is going to succeed but you’re just assuming it’s failure because that’s what you actually want to happen. Which is fine but just admit it.
 
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