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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Believes There Will Be Fewer Exclusives In The Future, And Not Just For Xbox
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bless your little heart.
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nominedomine
Banned
Going by what Phil was able to deliver so far it's hard for them to release any less.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Well, until Sony cuts their exclusives out (FF7, FF16, SpiderMan, Wolverine....etc).......then MS will start to do so.
The MP games will stay cross platform. The single player games will not for a while. MS needs SOME exclusives to bring new players in.
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Of course it's the usual disingenous bullshit from him, he even stole the "safe kids" line from Jim Ryan
Each company will continue to release games on the platforms that make strategical and financial sense to them.
They bought full publishers and studios to be able to have exclusives on their own ecosystem and services
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He's a gaming politician.Of course it's the usual disingenous bullshit from him, he even stole the "safe kids" line from Jim Ryan
Each company will continue to release games on the platforms that make strategical and financial sense to them.
They bought full publishers amd studios to be able to have exclusives on their own ecosystem and services
reinking
Gold Member
Phil used the Playstation/Xbox example in his comment.
Ezquimacore
Banned
DarkMage619
$MSFT
So games like CoD or Minecraft? Seems consistent to me.
reinking
Gold Member
Did you not read the comment I was replying to for context?
Fess
Member
Yeah maybe. But he has expressed his dislike in exclusives in the past as well. I think Starfield and The Elder Scrolls exclusivity evolved from Xbox fans loudly wishing for it and complaning about the unclear message at first after the Bethesda purchase. We’ll see what happens with Doom, it’s a classic IP that Playstation gamers also love, I don’t think Xbox exclusivity would fly well PR-wise.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
You know he means Xbox and PlayStation on multiple devices.
SenkiDala
Member
He said it's
And people answering "you can play on android and iOS and Apple Watch and the fridge and connected tv and my ass", come on... 1) xCloud is alright to play some games some times if you don't have another way to do so at the moment, but it's not at all a decent way to play them, I've a 1gb symmetrical connexion and the quality is not acceptable. 2) You can play PS4 since 10 years like this, same with the PS5 now, ok it's not exactly the same but the result is the same, not acceptable, just good if you wanna farm in a JRPG while you're in holidays.
Yes absolutely, it's a business and Phil is doing is part. And they are right to keep some games exclusives. But pretending to be the good guy all the time with sentences like "if everybody plays everybody wins" is being pathetic, he's just ridiculous, so what about people believing all this marketing bullshit...
And people answering "you can play on android and iOS and Apple Watch and the fridge and connected tv and my ass", come on... 1) xCloud is alright to play some games some times if you don't have another way to do so at the moment, but it's not at all a decent way to play them, I've a 1gb symmetrical connexion and the quality is not acceptable. 2) You can play PS4 since 10 years like this, same with the PS5 now, ok it's not exactly the same but the result is the same, not acceptable, just good if you wanna farm in a JRPG while you're in holidays.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Did your comment make reference to Phil saying all games on Xbox would hit every other game console or is it possible he was speaking of specific cases? Seems to me he was talking about playing games together like cross play. Why would a single player Starfield game have cross play as mentioned earlier? Let be honest there are far more MS titles on other consoles than vice-versa.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
I get your point but Xbox + PC. That's two plateforme. Not to mention XCloud.
Not releasing on Playstation doesn't mean you are making an exclusivity.
ReBurn
Gold Member
There's no doubt in my mind that Sony will be releasing games on PC day and date with console at some point. They'll realize that having millions more potential day 1 software customers on PC will be less risky than counting on customers being able to buy a PlayStation console. If console hardware by itself was their primary source of revenue then it would make more sense to focus on growing install base. But it's not, software attachment is. So exploiting the PC install base is a smart move. Sure, they'll lose some console sales but if those people are still buying the games on PC day 1 it ultimately won't matter.
yurinka
Member
Well Sony said that even if Bungie games will be multiplatform even in rival consoles day one, PS Studios will be making more PS exclusive games in the FY that ends in 2026 than in the current one. Jimbo also said in the context of being asked about 3rd party support that they plan to have more exclusives on PS5 than in any other of their previous consoles. And well, I don't see Nintendo making games for other consoles or PC.
I assume Phil is talking only about Xbox console exclusives.
But instead to grow their GP catalog securing the support of these companies puttting all their games there day one. Their main goal is to grow GP and turn it into the Netflix/Spotify of the videogames, not to 'steal' market share to favor Xbox in the console wars.
They also need to keep selling in these rival platforms because their market share is huge. According to what MS said to regulators it wouldn't be a profitable business for them to turn them console exclusive.
It makes sense because 1st party game sales are a very small portion of their business. The main one is to sell 3rd party games for their console/game store. To sell hardware, accesories and services for that console is also a huge business for them way bigger than 1st party sales. They won't destroy their main business just to sell a few more copies of their games on PC, which is a way smaller business.
For them makes more sense to port to PC only some of their games, not all. And to do it years after their original release on PS once the game completed its sales cycle there and has been included in their game sub too. At that point where the game almost no longer generates more revenue, iit's a good secondary extra for them to put it in game subs and PC. Did it in this way doesn't negatively PS hardware and software sales. To do it with all games and day one very likely would.
I assume Phil is talking only about Xbox console exclusives.
According to MS, Phil and their CFO they don't buy them to make their games exclusive.
But instead to grow their GP catalog securing the support of these companies puttting all their games there day one. Their main goal is to grow GP and turn it into the Netflix/Spotify of the videogames, not to 'steal' market share to favor Xbox in the console wars.
They also need to keep selling in these rival platforms because their market share is huge. According to what MS said to regulators it wouldn't be a profitable business for them to turn them console exclusive.
According to Sony they don't plan to release all their games on PC and they don't plan to release them day one.
It makes sense because 1st party game sales are a very small portion of their business. The main one is to sell 3rd party games for their console/game store. To sell hardware, accesories and services for that console is also a huge business for them way bigger than 1st party sales. They won't destroy their main business just to sell a few more copies of their games on PC, which is a way smaller business.
For them makes more sense to port to PC only some of their games, not all. And to do it years after their original release on PS once the game completed its sales cycle there and has been included in their game sub too. At that point where the game almost no longer generates more revenue, iit's a good secondary extra for them to put it in game subs and PC. Did it in this way doesn't negatively PS hardware and software sales. To do it with all games and day one very likely would.
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Hes 100% right. Xbox has console, PC, mobile and xCloud. Sony has console and are finally following along with PC.
I guess Nintendo is an outlier but they won't be matching MS/Sony in marketshare, anyway. Not that it matters as they're in a league of their own with their 1P games.
I guess Nintendo is an outlier but they won't be matching MS/Sony in marketshare, anyway. Not that it matters as they're in a league of their own with their 1P games.
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EruditeHobo
Member
They are the console industry leaders. What is your point? They don't need to offer an alternative, people are very happy to buy their consoles. Obviously. This is not that complex.
Eventually Phil may have a point. But this, at this point in time, is just PR. It's meaningless. What else would he say? He's the guy who has doubled down (more than anyone else) on non-exclusivity, and his company is in last place. Of course he's going to comment on how the paradigm is changed... he's desperately hoping it changes!
It's not happening anytime soon, that should be really obvious.
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So what's changing "in the future" with regard to PC+xbox releases? MS have been doing PC releases since 2014.
CoD, Elder scrolls, Doom, etc have always had a PC release. He is clearly talking about console exclusives by the platform holders and mentions Playstation by name. He is not saying he will release more games in a xbox + Pc combo in the future. He has been doing that for years.
He is talking in the context of the Activision acquisition and its games not becoming exclusive.
"Gaming chief also hopes for fewer exclusive titles, more interoperability among consoles in the future"
"Spencer, who has pledged to make Call of Duty available for the rival Sony PlayStation at least for some period of time, said the idea of games made exclusively for one device “is something we’re just going to see less and less of.
Maybe you happen in your household to buy an Xbox and I buy a PlayStation and our kids want to play together and they can't because we bought the wrong piece of plastic to plug into our television,”
People are just contorting that so that it makes sense to them why what he is saying isn't what he has done for some of the other games by saying "but it's on PC". Yeah, it always has been. That's not what he's talking about.
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CaptainSlayAHo
Banned
PC, mobile, television day one nerd
EDIT: in all seriousness, this is him promoting xbox games on pc/xcloud, not about sharing with playstation, who seem reticent even with pc
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Sounds like wishful thinking, which is hilariously contrasted by the next line in bold. Not surprising that this is how your brain reads this.
Not surprising that you're stanning as usual
"Gaming chief also hopes for fewer exclusive titles, more interoperability among consoles in the future"
Not my fault you don't understand the context at all and probably inferred whatever you liked.
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FCUK
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Nintendo will never change, but Sony has already proven Phil Spencer right with their new initiatives in the past 2 years. You can already play some of the biggest PlayStation studio games without owning a PlayStation console and Sony continues to integrate studios into their portfolio who are experts at porting games to the PC platform. It wont be long before games franchises like Uncharted, SpiderMan, TLoU, God of War, etc release day and date on PlayStation consoles and PC...probably once Sony's PC storefront is fully functional and online.
solidus12
Member
It’s amazing how the narrative changes. At first it was exclusives are the bread and butter of the industry and that each platform holder should have its own exclusives. Now it doesn’t make financial sense and exclusives are dying… get your narrative and stick to it, you experts.
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Jaybe
Member
Phil’s position is the result of Xbox One being decimated last generation when it was the most important generation to win with paid online by all parties and much higher didgital purchases locking users to a digital catalog.
I can’t fault him. The moves to embrace PC and cloud are right given they are far back in third place.
I can’t fault him. The moves to embrace PC and cloud are right given they are far back in third place.
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If you read his direct quote, you clearly see he is talking about crossplay, Minecraft, CoD, etc. It's obvious as day. Your shill brain, instead, reads it as all ABK titles will not be exclusive and that's what he's getting at. Despite Microsoft deliberately saying the opposite (select, popular, whatever verbiage they continue to use that you ignore).
He's 100% right with the "devices" talk. Sony, as well, have talked about going more multiplatform.
Leyasu
Banned
Selling 3rd party games is profitable for Sony but not Microsoft? Some games they will keep multi, but not many. Unless you think they are just going to hand sony the market and 30% of everything they earn.
Seriously, your posts are just like a fanboys wetdream
Captain Toad
Banned
Except they're doing exactly that. Starfield was being made for PS4/PS5 previously.
If he's saying that they won't do that, it's just to help get the Activision deal approved. Just like Sony says Call of Duty is the end-all videogame and Microsoft says Call of Duty is just another game.
Quit listening to what these companies say and start watching what they do.
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Content is king
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Not my fault if PC is getting all the games. Sony loves PC now and Microsoft is dedicated to this platform too. That's it.
Anyway, well see what the future is holding but imo in 20 years we will have a VERY different gaming market, that is for sure.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
All the more reason to keep CoD exclusive to Xbox/PC.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
This is yet another boon for multiplayer that single player misses out on.
People really need to wake up to what's happening.
People really need to wake up to what's happening.
Topher
Identifies as young
Sooner than that, I think. Ultimately these guys answer who stockholders and they don't give a shit about console wars. Once the multiplat revenue starts flowing there is no going back.
Well, they are not "keeping" CoD exclusive to Xbox/PC since it never has been and MS already said they not going to.
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Little Chicken
Member
Watch the people commenting in here do an about face when Jim echoes the same sentiments next year
Topher
Identifies as young
Watch the people commenting in here do an about face when Jim echoes the same sentiments next year
Jim already did that this year.
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Neofire
Member
He is right because the number 2 largest corporation in the world is campaigning to get rid of exclusives on their gaming console and their competition and once that happens MS will be the only ones left with the capital to release consoles, whether they bring profit or not.
Everything will be more than likely subscription based with micro transactions galore.
Everything will be more than likely subscription based with micro transactions galore.
Captain Toad
Banned
How are you guys coming to this conclusion? Is Uncharted going to Xbox? Halo to PlayStation? Zelda to both?I think we very well may be seeing the beginning of the end of console exclusives.
We are getting more console exclusives with all these publisher acquisitions, not fewer.
PC is a different story.
reinking
Gold Member
No. You are looking for a war where there is not one. I was mearly pointing out that it was not unreasonable for someone that had commented to think that Phil was talking about consoles since he used consoles as the example. I'm covered no matter where they put Starfield.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm not coming to any conclusions. I'm purely speculating. Yeah, I'd love to see all that happen. The industry is changing.
I have nothing against PC releases and think they're great, the point is that they have always been doing PC releases since 2014. what he is referring to is less and less console exclusives existing in the future with interoperability. The likes of Cod and Minecraft, MS owned IPs on multiple consoles. It's in the context of the Activision deal.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
i hope timed exclusives and moneyhats die. it's a slimy business tactic. games you develop yourself, put them wherever you want IMO.
'In the short term, "some people in some companies" won't love this approach, Spencer said, without singling anyone out. But in the long run, Spencer sees a future with fewer platform exclusives in it'
Can't even read the OP correctly
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'In the short term, "some people in some companies" won't love this approach, Spencer said, without singling anyone out. But in the long run, Spencer sees a future with fewer platform exclusives in it'
Can't even read the OP correctly
He is talking about Sony and Nintendo resisting the multiplatform interoperability approach for their games. You can't honestly be thinking that means they don't like Minecraft on their platform. Get lost man.