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Xbox Series X rewrites the rules of console design - and the power level should be extraordinary
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TBiddy
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Are you confusing objectively with subjectively? I think you are.
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Not really, the One X arrived a year after the Pro, and was positioned specifically to address the stigma haunting the One since day #1, that it was underpowered compared to PS4.
The plain fact is that Sony have had longer to prepare, have had devkits out with devs for more time, and have been in the driving seat vis-a-vis market share since 2014.
Despite the PR spin, Sony are the ones operating from the position of strength and MS have been scrambling hard and long to little discernable effect competitively.
Most of all though, Sony corporation are far more invested in the success of the next Playstation console than MS are with Xbox. Because much of the business imperative for MS is the platform agnostic service layer and the Azure infrastructure that back-ends it.
wordslaughter
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Can't say which will be more powerful XSX or PS5, but it does appear to be true that the XSX is primarily designed to cool hardware well. It is essentially a wind tunnel that brings air in through the bottom and out the top. Looks a lot like the Corsair One if you've ever seen one.
Historically two of the main limiting factors for performance on consoles were how much power they were willing to draw and how well it could be cooled.
Assuming they are willing to draw a lot of power, the design suggests they will be able to cool it and that could definitely lead to high performance, with both CPU and GPU clocked higher than would normaly be expected for a console.
Historically two of the main limiting factors for performance on consoles were how much power they were willing to draw and how well it could be cooled.
Assuming they are willing to draw a lot of power, the design suggests they will be able to cool it and that could definitely lead to high performance, with both CPU and GPU clocked higher than would normaly be expected for a console.
ethomaz
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X is a mid-gen upgrade and no it was never a generational leap.
Journey
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I'm not crazy about the design, I was expecting something different from the team that built the X1X and Surface products, but your Da Vinci comments make you sound a bit salty lol.
From what I understood, the console design rules have changed to focus on keeping the system cool and quiet, while at the same time putting as much power in the box as possible, something that was impossible compared to what you can put into a PC now a days because of power and cooling requirements, but if the team managed to crack that barrier, then we could again have a console that rivals high end PC at launch like they used to in the past, and possibly outclass Sony. If Phil pulls this off, will he finally be redeemed?
LazyParrot
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Cooling computer components isn't rocket science. The PS4 Pro wasn't noisy because Sony was incapable of designing a better cooling solution, but because they thought they could get away with it, and the console's success proved them right.
Ar¢tos
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I expect ps5 to be just as ugly, or just as lacking in beauty.
I'm not salty, I'm just surprised that people can get so in love with a brand that when they release a black box, LITERALLY a black box we get articles and posts congratulating the brand for such modern and sleek design, etc.
Consoles designs have been really really dull for ages, and now because of the tech inside them they are forced to go to safe black boxes, because making an ultra over the top design is risky and limited to dev kits.
Dory16
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Then you know how most people feel when they open a GAF thread.
OmegaSupreme
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Have you seen the new xbox? Did you see the xbox one?
ResilientBanana
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Sony has a choice to make here. Function over form vs form over function.
RDNA 2, eh?
Microsoft nailed the design of the Series X. Now I am looking foward to hear more about the specs at CES.
RDNA 2, eh?
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Jack Videogames
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"Rewrites the rules, it's revolutionary!"
it's a box
it's a box
CyberPanda
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Thanks to the usual people turning this into console war BS thread. Anyway:
CES should be interesting. I wonder if Phil will make an appearance with Lisa?
HeisenbergFX4
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Its amazing they figured out how to make a super powerful machine.
None of which matters until I know a price.
None of which matters until I know a price.
Zato
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Not the first time those two things have happened to coincide.
Zato
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Didn't he get a souvenir of the soc (did) from his last visit to MS?
Geki-D
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eastwood333
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Are you really that dense? Yes,its a box. Its whats in the box. Its pushing specs that rival top of the line gaming PCs. Its a 12 tf navi gpu with RDNA 2 features,Zen 2 CPU, hardwaare accelerated ray tracing,SSD etc... The fact that it requires a PC tower like design speaks to how powerful the thing is. Its pushing the bounderies in terms of watts that a console achieves
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CyberPanda
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I too believe Sony to be much more invested in the success actual next gen boxes. It's reported Xbox had revenue of $10B which is nice and all, but that's lunch money for one of the world's richest corporations.
The overwhelming success of the PS4 this gen has pulled Sony out the the financial difficulties they were facing not too long ago and has been instrumental in keeping them alive . I have no doubt it's imperative they keep that revenue stream coming in next gen. MS is of course invested in the actual next gen console's success too, but also in to tying it to and expanding on the business that has made them one of the world's richest corps.
eastwood333
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Yup. Phil has stated he thinks XSX will be the most powerful next gen console.Just strange that Sony doesn't.
Andodalf
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So Phil basically confirms the super high TPD that would come alongside high Clockspeed
FranXico
Member
Yep.
I'm sure Richard Leadbetter will be getting another one very soon.
"Good work" should be rewarded, obviously.
Nothing to see here.
eastwood333
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No way. PS5 will be 15 TFs,smaller than the Gamecube,and,cheaper by 100 bucks! Why? Because of PS4s design and next gen doesn't start until Sony says so!
pr0cs
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People are excited because the design is significantly different from the usual console boxes we've gotten for the last 10+years and the fact it's so much larger suggests that there is exciting tech packed inside.
manfestival
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The article is silly. A different design isn't instant proof of power or improvement. So far it just seems entirely aesthetic. Generally speaking, a new console generation means more powerful consoles.. like DUH. If anything it doesn't prove that microsoft is god tier at squeezing out that extra juice.
ManaByte
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People are excited because the Xbox One X is an amazing piece of hardware, and that came under Phil's watch.
TBiddy
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It's not rocket science, but it is science. It's hard to keep a console cool and quiet. Ask Microsoft how it went with the 360. Ask Sony how it went with the PS4 and the PS4 Pro.
Maybe Sony could've done better, who knows. But they didn't. That's a fact. The PS4 Pro is a joke in that regards.
I'm curious. Do you confuse design with looks? I think so.
Dabaus
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I feel like im having deja vu from earlier this year. Remember when sony wasnt saying anything about next gen and we would get daily shill pieces like "Why xbox is set to dominate next gen, xcloud is the future, streaming is the future, etc etc?" Then the April wired article came out and all of that suddenly stopped? Thats what all of this reminds me. And for the record, I dont care if xbox is more powerful, if ps5 has double digit teraflops numbers (10.1-11) and is 399 its game over xbox.
Ar¢tos
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I don't get "excited" for pieces of plastic. As long as they are functional, im happy, but excited? Nah. Takes a lot more than tf counts to get me excited.
DESTROYA
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ResilientBanana
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We reside in a forum where the majority love Sony and only see Sony and want Sony to be the only console maker and do not see the merits of having multiple console makers. They've made up their minds. I don't think Xbox has ever been popular here, so any good news is bad news. Welcome to NeoGAF. Either way, I love them both and think they both should do well.
DeepEnigma
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You weren't around in the 360 era I take it. It is an ebb and flow, of course 100+ million consoles out there will have more of its fans on multiplat boards. It's the law of averages.
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ethomaz
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It is like that every gen transition... some xbox fans always thinks the new MS console will be the second coming and PlayStation/Nintendo are doomed.
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Kagey K
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It's one thing to have more people prefer something, it's another to bring stuff like Ledbetter taking home Phil's pubes as some sort of valid talking point.
Freedom Gate Co.
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I just got a Leak from Iwata that the PS5 will now have a Zen CPU but a zen featured modified Jaguar 2.0
Freedom Gate Co.
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*not
DeepEnigma
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I agree with you on that. Juvenile fanboy shit is annoying.
I see it from EVERY party on here.
Journey
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Suddenly what's outside is more important, you know, now that the thing literally eats monsters for breakfast
TeamGhobad
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we knew very early on that orbis was 40% more powerful.
PropellerEar
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DF??
Nice PR straight from Redmond.
These guys are hand puppets, Phil has his baby hands up their butts.
Nice PR straight from Redmond.
These guys are hand puppets, Phil has his baby hands up their butts.
VAL0R
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Phil posts this article without any qualification. The article repeatedly takes for granted that XSX is a 12TF performance monster. To say this is further evidence that XSX is indeed 12TF is an argument from silence. However at this point if the XSX is not 12TF, Phil wouldn't only be guilty of letting the narrative run away, hyping gamers for inevitable anger and disappointment. More than that he would be playing a role in misleading the public. It's 12TF, no question anymore in my mind.
SleepDoctor
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Tldr.
Summary?
Summary?
TBiddy
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SleepDoctor
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ethomaz
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Nope.
It just got evident after XB1 reveal in May 2013.
Before that the Durango leaks had DGPU, secret sauce, zillions of theories about MS not showing their cards.
And the main point all leaks pointed to MS having more RAM (8GB) than Sony (4GB).
There are tons os threads saying MS will definitely win the generation with all crazy theories just like today with Xbox One Series X.
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TeamGhobad
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dude i was on gametrailers way before that talking about orbis being 40% more powerful. durango and orbis leaked waaay before any conference.
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