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New Xbox Series X consoles have slight internal redesign

Varteras

Member
Cool, so how well is it doing? When/why do people say that something is having trouble selling? At what point do you just admit that it isn't doing well?

"They can't even sell" doesn't mean it's selling 0. That means it is selling poorly, which is not hyperbole.

No no. That's not what we do here. Anything said is 100% literal interpretation and you must be able to stand by someone else's inability to think. Unless we're talking financial reports from certain companies. Then vague mentions are fully reasonable.
 

m14

Member
Cool, so how well is it doing? When/why do people say that something is having trouble selling? At what point do you just admit that it isn't doing well?

"They can't even sell" doesn't mean it's selling 0. That means it is selling poorly, which is not hyperbole.
The Series consoles have sold close to 30 million consoles to date. There hasn't been an official breakdown on how much the S has sold vs the X.

So yes "They can't even sell" is literally hyperbole. Just because these type of statements are posted incessantly doesn't make them any more true. Unless someone thinks tens of millions of consoles sold somehow don't count?
 

BlackTron

Member
"They can't even sell the standard model with 1 TB" was indeed total hyperbole.

Xbox's hardware sales continue to contract, they have sold through less than half the amount of PS5, and most of those they did sell/are selling are Series S.

You are factually wrong -they can't sell enough of them, and that's why they have been pushed to tap into Playstation's install base to move games.

Edit: Sorry you guys missed this thread.

 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
The Series consoles have sold close to 30 million consoles to date. There hasn't been an official breakdown on how much the S has sold vs the X.

So yes "They can't even sell" is literally hyperbole. Just because these type of statements are posted incessantly doesn't make them any more true. Unless someone thinks tens of millions of consoles sold somehow don't count?
It's not hyperbole when you can't even sell in the double digits for the year the past 2 years. The system is taking a massive nosedive in the past 2 YoY numbers and it's getting worse.

Keep fighting the good fight, however.
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HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
The Series consoles have sold close to 30 million consoles to date. There hasn't been an official breakdown on how much the S has sold vs the X.

So yes "They can't even sell" is literally hyperbole. Just because these type of statements are posted incessantly doesn't make them any more true. Unless someone thinks tens of millions of consoles sold somehow don't count?
No, it isn't. "They can't even sell" means exactly what I said it means. The thing has all but died on sales charts at this point.

"It sold 30 million". That's like celebrating eating the skin off of a full steak dinner. When compared to its predecessors, the Series consoles will go down as the weakest market performers. You can lalalalala in your ears until they turn blue but that's what's happening and going to happen.
 
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DoomGyver

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I went to school with and worked with a guy that’s eerily similar to this Evans. As obnoxious as you can imagine, a grown man that has the mental acuity of a teenager that will never mature. I won’t watch his videos.

So MS went to 6nm and reduced costs a bit further, probably more efficient and cooler. Might rebuy when Gears E-day comes out.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
Pretty sure we've been hearing "30 million" for two years now.
Sure feels that way. It's such a silly thing to highlight too, especially given how bad it makes those consoles look. When your competitor is literally manhandling you 4:1, there is no debate to have.
 

m14

Member
No, it isn't. "They can't even sell" means exactly what I said it means. The thing has all but died on sales charts at this point. That's what the folks who say this mean.
"They can't even sell" is incorrect when Microsoft sold tens of millions of these consoles. The fact that Xbox selling at a lower volume recently doesn't change that, especially with Black Friday on the horizon.
And posting sales figures from regions and countries where Xbox was never successful doesn't prove much at all.

So yes, it was indeed hyperbole.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
"They can't even sell" is incorrect when Microsoft sold tens of millions of these consoles. The fact that Xbox selling at a lower volume recently doesn't change that, especially with Black Friday on the horizon.
And posting sales figures from regions and countries where Xbox was never successful doesn't prove much at all.

So yes, it was indeed hyperbole.
Okay Pete, you tell yourself whatever helps you function.
 

YOU PC BRO?!

Gold Member
Microsoft could have released the Galaxy Black Special Edition Series X with the 6nm die shrink along with the full compliment 56CU GPU. It may have made it somewhat more attractive, especially if they clocked it up a little. That 1.825GHz GPU clock is very low. The PS5 GPU runs at 2.233GHz for comparison. There’s no reason a die shrunk Series X couldn’t hit similar or slightly higher clocks.

~8% extra CU and ~20% higher clocks would have given us >15.5 TFlops. All for literally no effort.

Such a wasted opportunity but that’s Microsoft for you…
 

BlackTron

Member
Actually, real talk. How does it make Xbox stans feel that Xbox, the brand that brought you Halo and Gears, has sold little more than double lifetime sales of Wii U this gen? Maybe that can be your next talking point, that you doubled sales of Wii U, wouldn't that be impressive.
 

BlackTron

Member
Microsoft could have released the Galaxy Black Special Edition Series X with the 6nm die shrink along with the full compliment 56CU GPU. It may have made it somewhat more attractive, especially if they clocked it up a little. That 1.825GHz GPU clock is very low. The PS5 GPU runs at 2.233GHz for comparison. There’s no reason a die shrunk Series X couldn’t hit similar or slightly higher clocks.

~8% extra CU and ~20% higher clocks would have given us >15.5 TFlops. All for literally no effort.

Such a wasted opportunity but that’s Microsoft for you…

I don't think it is supposed to be faster. By design it targets the same performance. I don't find this a dumb decision, to do otherwise would just be more spamming of hardware versions. Same reason Mariko Switches have a lot of extra headroom but are locked to vanilla Switch speed.
 

BlackTron

Member
"They can't even sell" is incorrect when Microsoft sold tens of millions of these consoles. The fact that Xbox selling at a lower volume recently doesn't change that, especially with Black Friday on the horizon.
And posting sales figures from regions and countries where Xbox was never successful doesn't prove much at all.

So yes, it was indeed hyperbole.

Just want to point out that "sell" is present tense and "sold" is past tense just in case you never learned the difference.
 

m14

Member
Xbox's hardware sales continue to contract, they have sold through less than half the amount of PS5, and most of those they did sell/are selling are Series S.

You are factually wrong -they can't sell enough of them, and that's why they have been pushed to tap into Playstation's install base to move games.

Edit: Sorry you guys missed this thread.


Microsoft have sold around 30 million of the Xbox Series consoles. They sold well over a million consoles is the US from January to July of this year:


That's nowhere near "dead" or "can't sell", no matter how much some may wish it was.

It's not hyperbole when you can't even sell in the double digits for the year the past 2 years. The system is taking a massive nosedive in the past 2 YoY numbers and it's getting worse.

Keep fighting the good fight, however.
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It is indeed the definition of hyperbole. Some people's bias means that they unwittingly post so many perfect examples of it.

The world: they can't sell Wii U at all

Me, the Nintendo fan: Total hyperbole, they've moved over 10 mil so far! And you call 10 million "can't move", listen to you rabid fanboys!
There's a slight difference between 10 million and three times that amount.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
It is indeed the definition of hyperbole. Some people's bias means that they unwittingly post so many perfect examples of it.
No no. That's not what we do here. Anything said is 100% literal interpretation and you must be able to stand by someone else's inability to think. Unless we're talking financial reports from certain companies. Then vague mentions are fully reasonable.
 

m14

Member
No no. That's not what we do here. Anything said is 100% literal interpretation and you must be able to stand by someone else's inability to think. Unless we're talking financial reports from certain companies. Then vague mentions are fully reasonable.
Does that include those in our ranks incapable of recognising or admitting to the use of hyperbole?
 

SenkiDala

Member
Opened this thread expecting to see negativity from Sony fanboys : got what I wanted.

It is just a slightest revision of the XSX... They didn't market it like it was a revolution, or even an evolution, well in fact they didn't market it at all.

For me it doesn't really make sense but for someone who really hate physical gaming why not, you save a few €/$, you get a white model... Why not.
 

BlackTron

Member
Microsoft have sold around 30 million of the Xbox Series consoles. They sold well over a million consoles is the US from January to July of this year:


That's nowhere near "dead" or "can't sell", no matter how much some may wish it was.

This has been pointed out before but "can't sell" doesn't mean that they literally can't sell it to anybody. If you said last gen that they couldn't sell Wii U, it would be correct relatively speaking despite being factually wrong since 13.5 million people bought it. It's relative to the expectations and needs of the platform.

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Sales were highest in 2022 as supply blocks eased and hype remained. Then the next year they went down by a million, and seem on track to go down by another half million this year, as PS5 sales accelerate. 2.5 million per year is the sales rate Wii U would have needed to sell 12.5m in 5 years (and they actually did 13.5). Wii U sales rate isn't a good one. In other words no it's not selling, no matter how many sales are stacked behind it.

It is indeed the definition of hyperbole. Some people's bias means that they unwittingly post so many perfect examples of it.


There's a slight difference between 10 million and three times that amount.

Xbox stands near 28 with Wii U at 13 so when I said a little more than double Wii U I was being literal.

But all the sales figures we receive are inevitably from the past, no?

It's ok, I know you're just trying to redeem yourself after exposing the fact that you sadly don't know the definition of the word hyperbole.

Consider me schooled.
 
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BlackTron

Member
It's impressive, yeah. Imagine using a news thread about an internal redesign of a console that makes it use less power, to start screaming how poor it sells. Then imagine that the people doing that are most likely adults.

I don't even like Sony.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Concord?
Edit: I see I was late to the party.
It's impressive, yeah. Imagine using a news thread about an internal redesign of a console that makes it use less power, to start screaming how poor it sells. Then imagine that the people doing that are most likely adults.
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Like I said...all other things equal that extra horsepower is $180 more than the 2TB Series X.
"All things being equal" would just be a 2TB PS5 disc version at $600 as well.
 
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m14

Member
This has been pointed out before but "can't sell" doesn't mean that they literally can't sell it to anybody.
Hence why it's hyperbole. No-one is disputing that Xbox Series sales have slowed.

Anyway, it is admirable how much you love the Wii U and can even recall sales figures from its all too brief lifespan. :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:
 
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BlackTron

Member
Hence why it's hyperbole. No-one is disputing that Xbox Series sales have slowed.

Anyway, it is admirable how much you love the Wii U and can even recall sales figures from its all too brief lifespan. :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:

What are you talking about? I didn't misstate any Wii U sales figures.

Would you say it would have been hyperbole to say that they can't move the Wii U circa 2015?

Edit: sorry I thought you said can't recall the Wii U figures, LOL
 
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twilo99

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I mean it should be much smaller since the that useless disk drive isn't present anymore and I really hope we never see it again
 
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Topher

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Nobody said there was. It's about accurate and honest "all other things equal" price comparison. The 2TB Series X includes a disc drive in the $600 price.

If you are going to be "accurate and honest" then that requires pointing out all the differences, that includes the fact that the Pro is a higher tier console than Xbox Series X. All things are not equal outside of the drive.

If there was a $600 2TB PS5 disc version we wouldn't be having this conversation

Correct, because then we would be discussing two consoles at the same level.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Correct, because then we would be discussing two consoles at the same level.

Which makes this whole "X is only $100 less expensive than P" argument kinda asinine, no?

There are multiple SKU's of SX, there's only one SKU of the PS5 Pro. It's not even an apples to apples comparison regardless of them not being similar 'tier' hardware.

Also it's really the right venue to have it in this topic about an internal redesign in the first place. 🤷‍♂️
 
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HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
It's impressive, yeah. Imagine using a news thread about an internal redesign of a console that makes it use less power, to start screaming how poor it sells. Then imagine that the people doing that are most likely adults.
Just as impressive as adults who let what others think about a plastic box bother them that much.
 
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Topher

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Which makes this whole "X is only $100 less expensive than P" argument kinda asinine, no?

There are multiple SKU's of SX, there's only one SKU of the PS5 Pro. It's not even an apples to apples comparison regardless of them not being similar 'tier' hardware.

The entire reason they are being compared is the close proximity in price though.

And a vertical stand.

Doesn't need a stand though. Mine sits vertically fine without one.
 

Ashamam

Member
Imagine using a news thread about an internal redesign of a console that makes it use less power, to start screaming how poor it sells.
I think what struck me most was dropping the vapour chamber. Obviously a cost cutting measure, hopefully the new (old) solution is well matched to the heat dissipation requirements. In my experience of console generations the mid gen redesigns (slim not pro) can be a bit iffy as to whether they are an improvement over the OG design, except in power draw.
 
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