Difference in quality settings doesn't mean a game suddenly becomes next gen, not when the core of the game is still built upon the same graphical technology. It's bizarre to claim otherwise. Games on consoles and PCs from same generations have always been compared (see Digital Foundry and others before them) because they're basically the same games with different quality presets. Can't believe I have to explain this.
Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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Balducci30
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Yeah it's only the characters alright...
These screens are mainly photomode zoomed in, the video don’t look as good. I’ve beaten the game and burning shores (which looks slightly better) - it has never impressed me that much at all beyond the convos with NPC’s. Which no open world games have matched. Idk if it’s the LOD or what but when playing the normal game I rarely felt wowed by anything. Water looks good, not my favorite water ever just due to the lack of actual fluid simulation. Maybe if its lighting and draw distance were better - but I expected more, the OG trailer when it was announced looked far better.
The only game I’ve been consistently wowed by graphically is probably Hellblade 2. And that’s barely a game. This gen just dropped the ball on the visual front, everything is super uneven looking
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ResetEraVetVIP
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The Matrix Awakens demo…
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ResetEraVetVIP
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When all of the next gen features come together, this has a very next gen look to it. The hair, the RTGI, the foliage density, the draw distance etc.I am incredibly impressed with Shadows (playing pro quality mode)
Feels OK for 30fps. I can play like that.
But the environment interaction, wildlife, rtgi. Game looks just fantastic.
And this is in-gameplay model. Of course framed with photo mode. but not cutscene!
Team Andromeda
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Play Rayman 2 on the N64 and then the DC version and see the difference of what a next gen systems can do , even if it's built around the same technology
I couldn't care if DF think it's fine and fair to compare a PC to a console , I never have even way back in the old days when you had some clever dick saying how much better Strider was on a Sharp X6800 or how much better Wing Commander was on a 486 to the console.
A console and PC are not the same.
Consoles are PCs are pretty much the same actually these days. Consoles nowadays have base console and a more powerful one, which results the same game being played at vastly different settings. Couldn't be more like PC if they tried. By your groundbreaking discovery we now have owners of these consoles playing games from two generations apparently because their settings and even framerate are different. You should patent this stuff while you at it, you don't want anyone profiting from your discovery.
Jack Howitzer
Neo Member
The questionable art direction and scene presentation ain't help neither,especially with the color choice in scene like this...they just don't click with me,making the whole scene look too bland and unattractive.It's like when you finally about to make 69 with your dream chick and find out she happens to be tongueless
Team Andromeda
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It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Fiat , just because they same a lot of the same tech does not mean they are the same. You can't change the speed of a console CPU or GPU, much less replace then , on a PC you can.
You also talk like everyone experiences on the PC are the same and you all have the same tech., when it's. My brother's PC is vastly different to mine for example.
Being able to play at 120FPS and having VRR are big improvements for console gamers over the last gen that's before you move on to better effects and faster loading. Playing games on the PS4 and One are painful now
GymWolf
Gold Member
Hb2 is hard to beat for everyone but like you said, barely a game.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Depends on how often you fly. The fog is a non issue if you are not flying.SlimySnake We are definitely not seeing eye to eye when it comes to Avatar. Just had a look at it again and that geometry is too basic, indirect lighting is whatever and they hide their LODs a lot with fog. It can look amazing at times yes, but way too inconsistent. I think your 90/10 it being next gen is way too high. 60/40 for me at best. I would put Forbidden West above it because of consistency, not because it's doing anything better.
check out these dozen or so gifs and tell me where you see fog. click on the right to get to the next gif.
And the Rtgi ensures the game feels a lot more consistent than horizon. Its by far my most giffed game ever. And by far the most consistent outside of HB2.
Meanwhile I am struggling to find even one shot i can gif for AC Shadows after the intro and i am 22 hours in.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Honestly, and forgive me if i have gone back and forth with you on this very subject, but every game is uneven. You can go back to last gen or the gen before. Every game has phoned in levels and missions that were rushed towards the end of the project.
Just go to the first page of this thread. I posted some stunning shots of TLOU2 and some guy was like werent you shitting on it a few weeks ago, and I was. that whole hospital section and several other levels that were supposedly added after poor focus testing were not up to par with the rest of the game. Yet we hold TLOU2 as the gold standard despite the downgrades from its E3 reveal, despite a good chunk of the game looking rough, despite some questionable AO and GI in indoor areas i have covered many many times.
Infamous and DriveClub were the gold standard in the early days of last gen. Yet this thread used to be full of fanboys who kept posting the worst looking areas in the game. Especially some of the DLC levels dont look too hot. Infamous literally started the photomode craze and it has some of the worst draw distance ever, even compared to AC Black Flags which was cross gen.
I've posted terrible screenshots of Uncharted 4, Witcher 3, Rise Of Tomb Raider, HFW, GOW, Arkham Asylum, and even RDR2 which has some of the worst character models ive seen last gen. And it is by far the most consistent looking game of all time, and easily my game of the generation. It couldnt compete with TLOU2 in terms of lighting or character models. Couldnt compete with The Order on well anything. But like HB2, the order is barely even a game.
Edit: thats not to say you cant criticize Avatar for that forbidden forest level that was clearly rushed to meet the launch date. thats why i said it mostly looks great 80% of the time. I think games like Callisto, HB2, The Order and Ryse are rare 7 hour games that are easier to remain consistent comapred to say a 25-30 hour TLOU2 campaign, or 50 hours HFW, Avatar, and RDR2 campaigns. ND literally has two campaigns in TLOU2. Uncharted 1 was 8 hours long, so technically 3x bigger than Uncharted 1. Of course it wont be as consistent.
Edit 2: This is my favorite comparison. This is from AC Origins, a stunning 2017 game that cured my depression after i realized HZD would never be topped. But both of these shots are from the same area, just taken from a different POV.
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Console vs PC does not define which generation game belongs to, rather it is what technology the game was designed for and what technology powers it. You already have disparity when it comes comes to base and pro consoles, so really PC isn't the only place where this disparity in visual settings exist. This is wny I don't even understand what you trying to say. Series S is that same Fiat you're talking about compared to Ferrari that is Series X. PS5 is a BMW going against Ferrari in PS5 Pro. PC is just a custom version of that Ferrari with crazy modifications, but only if you have the money of course.
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The beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't see many folks share your enthusiasm for Avatar, but it's hard to be arguing about it too much when 99% of games currently out are all still in some ways dated when it comes to tech. It's not like I can bring many examples to counter Avatar and say "hey, look how much this game looks better".
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Team Andromeda
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The irony of brining up the Pro . If the PS 5 was like a PC you just upgrade the GPU and they'll be no need to buy a complete new system.
That's why I don't look to compare a PC to a Console .The Series S is more like a Mini and you can't expect it to have the performance of a Ferrari.
Lots of games are visually very impressive and better than what's the last gen consoles could do . Sure they can handle the game but they don't look as good
Balducci30
Member
Maybe this is my problem then, because I think RDR2 was graphically my favorite game from last gen over LOU 2 - because I do think consistency matters. I’d say LOU 2 is way more consistent than a lot of games this gen as well - Avatar has amazing looking environments and foliage and lighting - but (and maybe this is due to playing on console) the character and creature models, the explosions, the water, the weapon models - all look last gen to me, and not even like top of last gen.Honestly, and forgive me if i have gone back and forth with you on this very subject, but every game is uneven. You can go back to last gen or the gen before. Every game has phoned in levels and missions that were rushed towards the end of the project.
Just go to the first page of this thread. I posted some stunning shots of TLOU2 and some guy was like werent you shitting on it a few weeks ago, and I was. that whole hospital section and several other levels that were supposedly added after poor focus testing were not up to par with the rest of the game. Yet we hold TLOU2 as the gold standard despite the downgrades from its E3 reveal, despite a good chunk of the game looking rough, despite some questionable AO and GI in indoor areas i have covered many many times.
Infamous and DriveClub were the gold standard in the early days of last gen. Yet this thread used to be full of fanboys who kept posting the worst looking areas in the game. Especially some of the DLC levels dont look too hot. Infamous literally started the photomode craze and it has some of the worst draw distance ever, even compared to AC Black Flags which was cross gen.
I've posted terrible screenshots of Uncharted 4, Witcher 3, Rise Of Tomb Raider, HFW, GOW, Arkham Asylum, and even RDR2 which has some of the worst character models ive seen last gen. And it is by far the most consistent looking game of all time, and easily my game of the generation. It couldnt compete with TLOU2 in terms of lighting or character models. Couldnt compete with The Order on well anything. But like HB2, the order is barely even a game.
Edit: thats not to say you cant criticize Avatar for that forbidden forest level that was clearly rushed to meet the launch date. thats why i said it mostly looks great 80% of the time. I think games like Callisto, HB2, The Order and Ryse are rare 7 hour games that are easier to remain consistent comapred to say a 25-30 hour TLOU2 campaign, or 50 hours HFW, Avatar, and RDR2 campaigns. ND literally has two campaigns in TLOU2. Uncharted 1 was 8 hours long, so technically 3x bigger than Uncharted 1. Of course it wont be as consistent.
Edit 2: This is my favorite comparison. This is from AC Origins, a stunning 2017 game that cured my depression after i realized HZD would never be topped. But both of these shots are from the same area, just taken from a different POV.
Dude, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I got nothing to add to this convo.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Yeah it's only the characters alright...
Are those PC shots? I did not expect Horizon to look this good.
Avatar is a game which has flown completely under the radar. That looks stunning TBH.Maybe Wukong, but not Avatar.
Avatar may not have the same hair physics but it has the same weather effects and under the hood systems like destruction, wildlife, and ray traced effects that are far more taxing in Avatar because every plant at night is basically a light source which bounces light in the areas around it. if anything the weather systems are better because they actually cause destruction.
They are both gorgeous looking games, but its clear that Avatar is doing more with its tech. And Avatar actually doesnt take out RTGI and reflections from its performance mode like Shadows does.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Kyoto looks amazing. I only know of this city because of Oppenheimer where the Secretary of State crosses it off the list of potential Atomic Bomb sites because he honeymooned there lol.
I still get some cross gen vibes but there is no denying that this game is fucking beautiful.
I still get some cross gen vibes but there is no denying that this game is fucking beautiful.
Balducci30
Member
This is amazing, the realtime fluid simulation I’ve been waiting for
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Kyoto looks amazing. I only know of this city because of Oppenheimer where the Secretary of State crosses it off the list of potential Atomic Bomb sites because he honeymooned there lol.
I still get some cross gen vibes but there is no denying that this game is fucking beautiful.
I was pretty cynical of this game pre-release but the more I see of it the more I'm impressed. They did a great job of making the world feel alive.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Funny because i always had faith in this game pre-launch, and after playing it, i am not that impressed. It's beautiful for sure and a huge step up from Ghost. Even Ghosts 2. I think the fact that they spent their rendering budget on RT features, destruction physics, weather effects, and virtualized geometry really pays off. They didnt waste their rendering budget chasing some bizarre native 4k dream like Insomniac did with Spiderman 2. And you can see the results, even if they are fleeting and not always in your face.
Balducci30
Member
Aight i may have to get this nowoh this is a bit insane
so you can knock fruit and vegetable barrels over and a lot of oranges and tomatoes just scatter all around
they all have reflections, shadows and everything
T4keD0wN
Member
Its a great game, but its amusing that it took a bunch of tomatoes to push this you over line for you.
Alex11
Member
I like how there's more than one type of rain, so far it's heavy and light with a bit of sun
And here for me it captures well enough the look when there are rain clouds on on side and sun from the other, the lighting overall is very good.
This, the weather effects and the changing seasons is some amazing stuff, never been an AC fan, but this one has something special.
And here for me it captures well enough the look when there are rain clouds on on side and sun from the other, the lighting overall is very good.
This, the weather effects and the changing seasons is some amazing stuff, never been an AC fan, but this one has something special.
Balducci30
Member
What can I say I’m a sucker for those little physics details where it feels like the world reacts to what I do
Lethal01
Member
Nah is great.
What's great about a stupid scripted feature that has dozen of animals appearing out of nowhere to run alongside you? That's a kind of dumb thing devs would pull off back in the day.
When Shadows has pop-in it can be real bad, but I still can't get over the fact that you're playing as a chick and a black guy in a game set in Feudal Japan. So many cool Samurais from that era they could have gone with, but instead they did the whole "modern audience" thing. Completely wasted potential.
The game looks solid overall, but it still looks more like a last gen single player game set in an open world than a next gen one. Like a Last of Us but in an open world.
The game looks solid overall, but it still looks more like a last gen single player game set in an open world than a next gen one. Like a Last of Us but in an open world.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Same. I spend most of the time in the battles maneuvering around just so I can kick fools into objects lol
Lethal01
Member
What's stupid about a great scripted feature that has dozen of animals appearing out of nowhere to run alongside you?
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It's a cheap gimmick harping back to PS2/PS3 days. If you like cheap gimmicks then I guess it's great, lol.
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He really went flying, huh?Same. I spend most of the time in the battles maneuvering around just so I can kick fools into objects lol
Physics be damned.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I cant shake that feeling either, but if you look a bit deeper you will see that it definitely does interior lighting better than TLOU2. Outdoors, they are probably on par with that jungle opening sequence with Dina and Ellie on horseback.
Here are around a dozen screens i took a few months ago playing TLOU2 remastered of interiors with baked lighting looking like absolute dogshit. even KCD2 interiors have been interior lighting. I am so glad RTGI has become the standard for AAA games over the last couple of years. I love tlou2 but i cant handle these terrible interiors anymore.
oh they go much further than that. its absolutely ridiculous and so awesome.He really went flying, huh?
No doubt overall it looks better than Last of Us, but it's not by much and they're comparable. I like the weather effects in Shadows, the rain looks really nice.
Lethal01
Member
And i suppose if you hate fun anything that goes agains realism is bad
Lethal01
Member
You like Disney sh*t,
As should we all
Disney is evil, keep that sh*t away from me
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is the shot that i like the most. Just had a similar rainfall in a kyoto and after it ended i saw puddles and rain falling off the rooftops. It took me a while to realize that i havent noticed an effect like this in a game before. this is something you expect from Rockstar.I like how there's more than one type of rain, so far it's heavy and light with a bit of sun
And here for me it captures well enough the look when there are rain clouds on on side and sun from the other, the lighting overall is very good.
This, the weather effects and the changing seasons is some amazing stuff, never been an AC fan, but this one has something special.
RainyNguyen
Member
ACS with my reshade preset. I wish ACS's photomode was as detailed as in GOT. Only being able to take static shots in photomode is a crime.
These are some my old gifs of GOT on PS4.
These are some my old gifs of GOT on PS4.
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Alex11
Member
Yeah, it's a really nice effect and it's good, a little competition it's more than welcomed.
Don't know if you noticed, but when it rains there is some sort of mud effect happening, like this:
It isn't anything out of this world, but still, it's nice. All these plus the physics, I'm impressed a bit by how much you can interact with.
Yeah, it does the interior lighting much better, and let's not forget, it's an open world with day/night cycle.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nice. I didn’t notice the mud but i did notice that she takes off her shoes when she goes inside shines. There is no animation but its ironic seeing devs put that little detail in out of respect for Japanese culture and the game still gets canceled there.Yeah, it's a really nice effect and it's good, a little competition it's more than welcomed.
Don't know if you noticed, but when it rains there is some sort of mud effect happening, like this:
It isn't anything out of this world, but still, it's nice. All these plus the physics, I'm impressed a bit by how much you can interact with.
Yeah, it does the interior lighting much better, and let's not forget, it's an open world with day/night cycle.
GooseMan69
Member
Galloping full speed through a thunder storm in AC is just face melting, my god. Hardly any visible pop in. Wind and particle effects going nuts. Cloth physics are top tier. Hair physics on point. So good.
Team Andromeda
Member
Whatever
GymWolf
Gold Member
I ho
Base ps5 photomode
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
That makes it even more impressive for being on such underpowered hardware. Guerrilla are wizards.
Too bad they only make boring games now.
I would love them to go back to Killzone - imagine how good that would look?
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H . R . 2
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Intergalactic Won’t Launch in 2026 – Rumor : reportedly quite a ways off from release, per Bloomberg's Jason Schreier.
The Witcher 4 Won’t Launch Before 2027 at the Earliest – CDPR
by 2027 and the time GTAVI is released, there will be new next-gen consoles, marking and proving this entire generation as the barren letdown that it was
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