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[Buggy Loop]

Well rest assured, I'm sure all 91 of you are the correct ones.

Yes, because youtube flock mentality is totally worth showcasing to everyone in this thread how influenceable you are. You formed your opinion with youtube staged bait. What an amazing argument.

I also expect from now on that every single adventure game you're gonna be trash and skip because compared to BOTW / TOTK physics they ain't shit right? I'm sure you won't be hypocritical on the subject, right GHG?

Hell, if we use this brain rot argument that you are so giddy to use, there's a lot of shit to say right?

 

[Akuji]

Combat looks pretty good for first party in terms of how u control the character.

Havent seen any enemy worthy of actually using those mechanics. some just stand there and take multiple hits without doing anything.
So .... well. Doesnt looks to interesting to me if thats the case. Does anyone have something to say about this? maybe i watched the wrong content? Easy mode or something?

 

[GHG]

Yes, because youtube flock mentality is totally worth showcasing to everyone in this thread how influenceable you are. You formed your opinion with youtube staged bait. What an amazing argument.

I also expect from now on that every single adventure game you're gonna be trash and skip because compared to BOTW / TOTK physics they ain't shit right? I'm sure you won't be hypocritical on the subject, right GHG?

Whether or not I skip a game is down to how it all comes together as a whole, not any one single thing.

But to specifically touch on your example, I think it's absolutely valid for a comparison to be made between BOTW's physics and freedom and other games that appear similar. It's a valid critique and development studios should be pushed to do better rather than be comforted in regression.

This should be required watching for you, it pretty much sums up your behaviour:

 

[simpatico]

Watched the YouTube vid in OP. Do the enemies ever fight back?

 

[Giallo Corsa]

The game is so underrated, it will definitely have better reception when releases on Playstation. Some people's mind will change quickly.

Not only the combat is one of the best and satisfying in years so is the exploration. And how about the graphics? The game insanely beautiful.

Obsidian keeps winning and I hope they keep creating games in this universe.
After Avowed, Pentiment, one of the best games I played this generation, and Grounded, one of the most fun, I have high expectations for Outer Worlds 2.

Man, I just can't anymore

Them marching orders...

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Likes vs dislikes to validate an opinion on a game you haven't played?

Oh dear

But its YouTube! The source of all non biased commentary and public interaction

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Well rest assured, I'm sure all 91 of you are the correct ones.

for what it's worth, the majority of the reactions to my OP are in agreement with me

those who disagree with me are actually the minority here

how does that make you feel

 

[GHG]

for what it's worth, the majority of the reactions to my OP are in agreement with me

those who disagree with me are actually the minority here

how does that make you feel

Makes me feel very sad that I can't farm likes from the likes of DarkMage619 , vaibhavpisal , Kvally and Punished Miku .

Why don't they love me as they love you?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Whether or not I skip a game is down to how it all comes together as a whole, not any one single thing.

But to specifically touch on your example, I think it's absolutely valid for a comparison to be made between BOTW's physics and freedom and other games that appear similar. It's a valid critique and development studios should be pushed to do better rather than be comforted in regression.

This should be required watching for you, it pretty much sums up your behaviour:

And again more brain rot content, easy dopamine validation with no thinking effort. There's no bottom for you right?

But this is your saviour

"Here's the thing, I don't talk about politics, I don't care about identity wars, I don't make videos about DEI and that's why people like watching my videos in the first place"

Or you know, you could stop watching Asmongold wannabes. Where's legendary drops' playthrough of Avowed? Nowhere on twitch. Strange.


Or a dude that is not farming brain rot




a guy that can make constructive criticism, which there's absolutely is for this game, as most games actually. If you think I give Avowed 10/10 you're out of your fucking mind.



But you'll never know. You're easy on flock mentality. Reminds me of your Switch 2017 prediction. Jumped on the easy dopamine train with no thoughts.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Not even Ass of Can Whooping would have such a strong opinion against Avowed as sony warrior GHG

Keep up the good fight

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Makes me feel very sad that I can't farm likes from the likes of DarkMage619 , vaibhavpisal , Kvally and Punished Miku .

Why don't they love me as they love you?

because when you rely on YouTube likes to make a point, it makes them sad. it makes everyone sad.

 

[PSYGN]

Not bad, not Dying Light tier but better than most

 

[GHG]

because when you rely on YouTube likes to make a point, it makes them sad. it makes everyone sad.

I've given my opinion across the duration of this thread.

However, when you have the last standing members of the Xbox defence force attempting to make this about:

a) Xbox

And:

b) me (which I will never stop finding funny)

Then hey, I'm going to show them that it's actually the majority of people who care enough about this topic that don't share their opinion.

If Avowed did indeed offer the level of combat (and freedom of creativity/thought) that Dark Messiah did, then considering the marketing budget it's had behind it along with the amount of online discourse then it would probably be doing a lot better than it has done.

And again more brain rot content, easy dopamine validation with no thinking effort. There's no bottom for you right?

But this is your saviour

"Here's the thing, I don't talk about politics, I don't care about identity wars, I don't make videos about DEI and that's why people like watching my videos in the first place"

Or you know, you could stop watching Asmongold wannabes. Where's legendary drops' playthrough of Avowed? Nowhere on twitch. Strange.


Or a dude that is not farming brain rot




a guy that can make constructive criticism, which there's absolutely is for this game, as most games actually. If you think I give Avowed 10/10 you're out of your fucking mind.



But you'll never know. You're easy on flock mentality. Reminds me of your Switch 2017 prediction. Jumped on the easy dopamine train with no thoughts.

You're lost my dude. You're recommending cohh of all people when he's pretty much made it clear to the world that he's a paid shill who will do anything to stay in the good books of every single major publisher in existence.

A man who plays everything can't like everything, yet somehow, he likes everything.

Imagine dragging up my switch prediction from 2017 as some kind of equivalence when this is the result:

I guess we just have to wait for Avowed to suddenly become some huge success. Any day now.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I've given my opinion across the duration of this thread.

However, when you have the last standing members of the Xbox defence force attempting to make this about:

a) Xbox

And:

b) me (which I will never stop finding funny)

Then hey, I'm going to show them that it's actually the majority of people who care enough about this topic that don't share their opinion.

If Avowed did indeed offer the level of combat (and freedom of creativity/thought) that Dark Messiah did, then considering the marketing budget it's had behind it along with the amount of online discourse then it would probably be doing a lot better than it has done.

you have a point. I think the game is wonderful, but there's clearly a disconnect between me and how the game is perceived at large.

I can't explain it and it continues to baffle me. I do legit believe if most people gave it a chance, they would enjoy it.

I mean even if I were to concede to your point and admit Dark Messiah is better (which I don't), this would still make this the 2nd best, better than Cyberpunk, KCD, Skyrim, etc...all of which have huge audiences. but as you point out, something clearly went wrong.

I do think we will eventually start seeing discussion about how underrated this game was when it was released.

until then, I'm just going to assume most people are objectively wrong and I'm right

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

you have a point. I think the game is wonderful, but there's clearly a disconnect between me and how the game is perceived at large.

I can't explain it and it continues to baffle me. I do legit believe if most people gave it a chance, they would enjoy it.

I mean even if I were to concede to your point and admit Dark Messiah is better (which I don't), this would still make this the 2nd best, better than Cyberpunk, KCD, Skyrim, etc...all of which have huge audiences. but as you point out, something clearly went wrong.

I do think we will eventually start seeing discussion about how underrated this game was when it was released.

until then, I'm just going to assume most people are objectively wrong and I'm right

If you want to say this game has the best first person magic system, I could meet you there. But if you still want to claim it's overall combat is better than Dark Messiah or Cyberpunk... come on, dude.

 

[Sebastian1295]

Better than cyberpunks??? I highly doubt it.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

And again more brain rot content, easy dopamine validation with no thinking effort. There's no bottom for you right?

But this is your saviour

"Here's the thing, I don't talk about politics, I don't care about identity wars, I don't make videos about DEI and that's why people like watching my videos in the first place"

Or you know, you could stop watching Asmongold wannabes. Where's legendary drops' playthrough of Avowed? Nowhere on twitch. Strange.


Or a dude that is not farming brain rot




a guy that can make constructive criticism, which there's absolutely is for this game, as most games actually. If you think I give Avowed 10/10 you're out of your fucking mind.



But you'll never know. You're easy on flock mentality. Reminds me of your Switch 2017 prediction. Jumped on the easy dopamine train with no thoughts.

Buggy, once again mate, you're one of the biggest hypocrites on NeoGAF.

"Both sides are equally bad" my arse (wink*), you surely fall on a very specific side and your behavior in trying to find the proverbial Boogeymen, not only comes off as pathetic but actually unhinged.

Give it a rest, you've been saying the same thing over and over again for the past couple of pages, not only you're extremely boring in your repetion but you've also become annoying.

Get off that high horse ASAP

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Watched the YouTube vid in OP. Do the enemies ever fight back?

Try playing the game, if you really want to know.

 

[adamsapple]

I've given my opinion across the duration of this thread.

However, when you have the last standing members of the Xbox defence force attempting to make this about:

a) Xbox

And:

b) me (which I will never stop finding funny)

Then hey, I'm going to show them that it's actually the majority of people who care enough about this topic that don't share their opinion.

If Avowed did indeed offer the level of combat (and freedom of creativity/thought) that Dark Messiah did, then considering the marketing budget it's had behind it along with the amount of online discourse then it would probably be doing a lot better than it has done.

I'm supposed to be the biggest Xbox mark here and I haven't done either of those

 

[Pimpbaa]

I gave the game almost 10 hours, was so fucking boring. I’d rather play through Cyberpunk for the millionth time, hell I’d rather play Starfield again. While I do agree it has excellent combat, it has horrible everything else.

 

[Durin]

The combat always looked decent to me, but I think it's undercut by all the bugs, and that the enemy AI isn't particularly smart or challenging.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

But to specifically touch on your example, I think it's absolutely valid for a comparison to be made between BOTW's physics and freedom and other games that appear similar. It's a valid critique and development studios should be pushed to do better rather than be comforted in regression.

Both have different gameplay loops. Different goals.

Combat and build variety is pretty lacklustre in BOTW.

Same goes for graphics, writing, story.

Its overall not a worse game than Avowed though. See how this works?

And Avowed is a major step up over Outer Worlds overall. Not regression.

 

[Humdinger]

It does sound like they did a good job with the combat. Hopefully, they will use what they learned here in future games.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I've given my opinion across the duration of this thread.

However, when you have the last standing members of the Xbox defence force attempting to make this about:

a) Xbox

Who is making this about xbox? Can't find someone else on first page before you came in. Your little imaginary war GHG.

And

b) me (which I will never stop finding funny)

Yea because you made one of the most nonsense post of 2025 so far. Youtube like / dislike. Amazing. One of the all time greats.

Then hey, I'm going to show them that it's actually the majority of people who care enough about this topic that don't share their opinion.

If Avowed did indeed offer the level of combat (and freedom of creativity/thought) that Dark Messiah did, then considering the marketing budget it's had behind it along with the amount of online discourse then it would probably be doing a lot better than it has done.

You think Dark messiah was a success? Cute.

Oh yea, flock mentality of youtubers and grifters salivating for more blood money after Veilguard for sure is very telling about the quality of the game.

I'm not saying its a masterpiece, but its been dog pilled on by a shitload of peoples at day -1, peoples who have not even tried it. Because you know, who doesn't love drama and "woke" scary stories. Even Asmongold who liked the game, when he found the twitch chat brainlets jumping up and down that he should not like the game he reverted back to the status quo for farming content.

You're lost my dude. You're recommending cohh of all people when he's pretty much made it clear to the world that he's a paid shill who will do anything to stay in the good books of every single major publisher in existence

A man who plays everything can't like everything, yet somehow, he likes everything.

Plays everything? Looking at his list its very narrowed down. Not even close. Of course its not dramatic when you get through a game and say "its fine..." over "OMG WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT STAIN DID I PLAY?"

Or you know, you're just fucking lying



Oh, one very fresh impression



"This is not a black flag, this feels like another entry.", "I don't really plan on finishing the game"

Imagine dragging up my switch prediction from 2017 as some kind of equivalence when this is the result:

I guess we just have to wait for Avowed to suddenly become some huge success. Any day now.

What does sales have to do with this whole thread? What kind of cheap "gotcha" is this? PoE or a fucking shitload of good games don't have good CCUs EVEN without gamepass.

I certainly hope you don't skip on Prey 2017 because of CCUs or metacritic score. Or, PoE / Tyranny / Alpha protocol / KOTOR 2 which are commercially nothing, or Yakuza pirate's similar CCU but without gamepass/battle.net. What a pathetic sad little post.

You not only follow youtube flocks but also CCU flocks. You'll feel part of a group someday GHG, someday. You should become a Swiftie I guess. Its popular I hear.

Buggy, once again mate, you're one of the biggest hypocrites on NeoGAF.

Oh you again

The famous clown with such wisdom as "You dON'T geT To dEcIde WHAT oTheR peoplE think, SPEAk oR wRiTe, i'll Decide whAT OtHEr peoPLE think, sPeAK oR WRITe"

"Both sides are equally bad" my arse (wink*),

Seriously? You still think about that? I still live rent free in your head with that post that was widely approved? Both extreme sides are stupid fucks. You keep getting it wrong and if you feel triggered by that well its pretty telling where you position yourself in all this.

you surely fall on a very specific side and your behavior in trying to find the proverbial Boogeymen, not only comes off as pathetic but actually unhinge

Give it a rest, you've been saying the same thing over and over again for the past couple of pages, not only you're extremely boring in your repetion but you've also become annoying.

You're typing a lot of repeated shit like a copy pasta but you don't say anything.

Using youtube like/dislike is a fucking joke. You gonna defend that? I can't call out how fucking delusional it is for someone to validate an opinion on a game he's not played because there's 91 dislikes on a video?

3 posts about GHG's most brainlet moment I've seen in years out of 3 pages with >120 posts. "saying the same thing over and over", again, is this friday night where you're high?

Calm the fuck down, he's an adult and can argue without you white knighting.

Get off that high horse ASAP

Or?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I didn't know anyone considers Cyberpunk combat good before this thread. I actually enjoy the game quite a bit but the combat was really not great.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I didn't know anyone considers Cyberpunk combat good before this thread. I actually enjoy the game quite a bit but the combat was really not great.

I would have to return to it after all the patches and DLC to be honest to give it a fair chance, launch it was… eh. But a lot changed maybe

Dying light 2 video in the thread actually makes me want to try it out. Loved the first.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I would have to return to it after all the patches and DLC to be honest to give it a fair chance, launch it was… eh. But a lot changed maybe

Dying light 2 video in the thread actually makes me want to try it out. Loved the first.

I also haven't played Cyberpunk in a minute so I'm also sorta curious whether some recent patch fixed it

as for Dying Light 2, I bought it day 1. I wasn't a fan at all. it was my first Dying Light game, so it's possible these sort of games just aren't for me. I remember only having access to melee, which felt clunky.

I couldn't do anything that you see in that video - that is all locked behind progression. curious how late in the game you have to be to have access to all that. I probably got 10-15 hours in before I gave up.

from what I experienced, Avowed combat is much, much better.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I don't think it can compare to VR games like Blade and Sorcery.

 

[Little Chicken]

And again more brain rot content, easy dopamine validation with no thinking effort. There's no bottom for you right?

But this is your saviour

"Here's the thing, I don't talk about politics, I don't care about identity wars, I don't make videos about DEI and that's why people like watching my videos in the first place"

Or you know, you could stop watching Asmongold wannabes. Where's legendary drops' playthrough of Avowed? Nowhere on twitch. Strange.


Or a dude that is not farming brain rot




a guy that can make constructive criticism, which there's absolutely is for this game, as most games actually. If you think I give Avowed 10/10 you're out of your fucking mind.



But you'll never know. You're easy on flock mentality. Reminds me of your Switch 2017 prediction. Jumped on the easy dopamine train with no thoughts.

 

[drganon]

 

[Generic]

Whether or not I skip a game is down to how it all comes together as a whole, not any one single thing.

But to specifically touch on your example, I think it's absolutely valid for a comparison to be made between BOTW's physics and freedom and other games that appear similar. It's a valid critique and development studios should be pushed to do better rather than be comforted in regression.

This should be required watching for you, it pretty much sums up your behaviour:

"This game wasn't made for you"

Correct, a game isn't supposed to appeal everyone.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Avowed is a type of game that is less interesting and engaging than all the GAF threads about it.

Also, DMoMM and CP2077 are just laughing in OPs face.

 

[Salmonboy]

That "artstyle" and HUD on the other hand

 

[teokrazia]

Dark Messiah, which actually I'm replaying it after almost a decade for a few days now, so its fresh, and it has not aged as well as I remembered it. Is a cool physic demo combat wise and I suggest anyone playing it, but its completely unbalanced combat wise. Let's not even go into the dialogues and story cause that's... yea..

Kicking simulator nearby cliffs. Kicking messiah.

If that novelty doesn't wear off for you then you'll have a blast but otherwise, kick off cliffs, kick into fire, kick into spikes, kick kick. Its almost a meme.

Very repetitive. They setup enemies with neon signs almost for kick him off a cliff! Kick him into spikes! Which kind of makes any depth of the build evaporate, outside of a few good setup videos on youtube like we also saw for Dishonored, after how many reloads to make it look cool, like flipping a bottle and make it land or some any impossible skill video. Any first time players will not play like that. If you want to practice 300 hours to look cool go for it, the potential is there.

Playing mage quickly becomes a chore later on as they are more effort than worth to use. Stealth is shit as often there's nowhere to hide. When you can hide then its broken. Bow sucks, too long to switch. Movement is kinda clunky, lagging almost, too much weight. There's mods to improve that but the OG is... yeah. A thing of its time.

I much prefer the balance of combat in Dishonored, tight as fuck, but action. Dark messiah feels like Arkhane's demo concept comparatively. Somehow also not as good as Arx Fatalis imo. Kick messiah is a much more shallower experience and hugely inconsistent compared to Arx. Had a lot more fun with Avowed to be honest.

100% agree

It was my absolute most wanted at the time and It ended disappoiting me

Kick for win simulator + Havok 2 tweaked like a floaty weightless ass

 

[lucbr]

Man, I just can't anymore

Them marching orders...

You mean exactly what you are doing?

 

[Negotiator101]

And again more brain rot content, easy dopamine validation with no thinking effort. There's no bottom for you right?

But this is your saviour

"Here's the thing, I don't talk about politics, I don't care about identity wars, I don't make videos about DEI and that's why people like watching my videos in the first place"

Or you know, you could stop watching Asmongold wannabes. Where's legendary drops' playthrough of Avowed? Nowhere on twitch. Strange.


Or a dude that is not farming brain rot




a guy that can make constructive criticism, which there's absolutely is for this game, as most games actually. If you think I give Avowed 10/10 you're out of your fucking mind.



But you'll never know. You're easy on flock mentality. Reminds me of your Switch 2017 prediction. Jumped on the easy dopamine train with no thoughts.

Bang on there mate

 

[Three]

The combat is pretty basic and shite but has the same razmataz of the player character doing too much as Forspoken to make it look interesting. Underneath it's pretty shallow and basic combat.

 

[GHG]

"This game wasn't made for you"

Correct, a game isn't supposed to appeal everyone.

That's not the point he's making, at all, but congratulations.

Who is making this about xbox? Can't find someone else on first page before you came in. Your little imaginary war GHG.

Must be my imagination right? :

The game is so underrated, it will definitely have better reception when releases on Playstation. Some people's mind will change quickly.

As for the rest (genuinely):

Unhinged ramblings of a guy who decided 2025 was the year he hoped for Nvidia or Microsoft to notice him. Sad to see.

 

[GymWolf]

Getting a few laugh from people praising kcd combat like it's not serviceable at the very, very best.

Like cmon people the game is great, but combat is not the fucking reason

 

[BbMajor7th]

Vermintide 2 was the only time I really enjoyed first-person melee. It mostly blows.

 

[timothet]

I also haven't played Cyberpunk in a minute so I'm also sorta curious whether some recent patch fixed it

as for Dying Light 2, I bought it day 1. I wasn't a fan at all. it was my first Dying Light game, so it's possible these sort of games just aren't for me. I remember only having access to melee, which felt clunky.

I couldn't do anything that you see in that video - that is all locked behind progression. curious how late in the game you have to be to have access to all that. I probably got 10-15 hours in before I gave up.

from what I experienced, Avowed combat is much, much better.

People aren't kidding when they say that Cyberpunk, after patch 2.0 and Phantom Liberty, feels like a whole new game—it really does. Add pathtracing to that, and the difference between Cyberpunk at launch and now is like a whole generation apart.

 

[Kvally]

Makes me feel very sad that I can't farm likes from the likes of DarkMage619 , vaibhavpisal , Kvally and Punished Miku .

Why don't they love me as they love you?

I just enjoy fun games.

 

[sainraja]

No.

The video isn't really proving your point. Based on the video you shared, combat for both games looks similar [enough] in style to me. One just looks flashier because it is newer. The gun combat shared earlier looked more interesting than what I saw in this video, but that is likely because it was gunplay which works well in FPS view.

What's funny, to me anyway, the parts that look good (melee combat wise) and in both games, rely on animation, something people loose their shit over when used well in a third-person game, where it becomes a point of criticism and they seem to prefer jankiness.

 

[DaciaJC]

If you expand the criteria beyond just RPGs, you will find far better first-person combat in games like Mordhau and Darktide.

 

[Three]

One just looks flashier because it is newer. The gun combat shared earlier looked more interesting than what I saw in this video, but that is likely because it was gunplay which works well in FPS view.

What's funny, to me anyway, the parts that look good (melee combat wise) and in both games, rely on animation, something people loose their shit over when used well in a third-person game, where it becomes a point of criticism and they seem to prefer jankiness.

The whole thing is just flashy shallow combat with braindead enemies. The video you're referring to I assume is the one shared of somebody claiming to be "playing it correctly" to try and oversell the shallow combat:

EDIT: I should probably include some footage. Courtesy of Buggy Loop :

It reminds me of the forspoken videos where some claimed reviewers weren't "playing it correctly" and showed pretty much the same thing we see in the shared avowed vid but third person:



Forspoken combat looks more exciting even.

 

[RafterXL]

Melee only? I'm not so sure, but combination of melee + magic, possibly? Maybe I'm forgetting a game that does both this well, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. Unfortunately for me, combat was the only part of this game I actually enjoyed.

 

[Buggy Loop]

What is this, operation save a studio part 2?

Post #18

Ok Phil.

Post #36

GHG “those bringing Xbox in the conversation!”

Finds a post #97 for his counter argument with a person saying it will have better reception when releasing on PS5

 

[adamsapple]

Post #18



Post #36

GHG “those bringing Xbox in the conversation!”

Finds a post #97 for his counter argument with a person saying it will have better reception when releasing on PS5

 

[jwaxeman]

Avowed is a really fun action RPG. I saw a lot of “reviews” (YouTube videos, pretty toxic) that were hyper focused on a few goofy NPCs and some of the things you *can’t* do in the game, and they made it seem pretty bad. I think you could have done the same thing with Fallout New Vegas, if you wanted to, a game that everyone loves. Having actually *played* Avowed, the combat is just a ton of fun. No, this isn’t the most immersive or complex RPG system in gaming. No, it’s not the most immersive world. You can’t kill every NPC, and some of the hub towns are a little underwhelming. But the *gameplay* is exceptional, and the areas you play in (the zones) are really well crafted. Anyone who remotely enjoys real-time fantasy games or even just action RPGs is fooling themselves sleeping on Avowed because some YouTuber with a 14-year-old’s voice told them it wasn’t good.

Also what’s with the Xbox comments here? I don’t have an Xbox. I played on PC. If the game comes to PS5 I’d pick it up there. It’s just a good game.

 

[adamsapple]

Also what’s with the Xbox comments here? I don’t have an Xbox. I played on PC. If the game comes to PS5 I’d pick it up there. It’s just a good game.

The smooth brain assertion that since it's an XGS published game, only Xbox owners can possibly like it. Even though there were more people playing it on PC even in the OT