Bernoulli
M2 slut
i think it can get close to some series s games but with much lower resolution like 300p upscaled but not the same settings
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CG renders of Switch 2 factory prototypes and full specs have leaked on a Chinese website
RodriGames40
Member
Man, with all due respect but you're gonna be proven wrong so hard. These chips already do not work at the same TDPs because one is using ARM chips and the another x86 chips... Also, you seem somewhat worried about this little mobile chip matching and easily achieving better image quality than your beloved AMD consoles, are you okay?
I know this isn’t confirmed, and even if it is legit it’s probably just concept art.
Credits to @P4blo at Famiboards.
However, the interesting choice of purple is almost identical to the color scheme of the new Metroid Prime Beyond logo. Maybe a launch bundle in the works?! Just a wishful thinking observation.
Muddy
Member
Yes it’s not.
It’s actually more expensive cause Nvidia.
So you expect an Nvidia powered handheld on par with the Series S to cost 400 dollars?
When AMD powered handhelds cost 1000 dollars with the similar specs.
Yeah right.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
Missed opportunity to call it sWIItch
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RodriGames40
Member
I sure do love these drive-by arguments without a single shred of nuance for what makes these devices cost what they cost. You forgetting it has more RAM, storage, a potentially more expensive screen and is also high margin? Yeah, you don't, something tells me you haven't even looked at the specs that literally just leaked yesterday. In all fairness they were already known, but it's mindblowing to me how even after further confirmation some of you are still in denial, why didn't you doubt the PS5 Pro specs when MLID leaked the documents? Your bias can be seen from miles.
Also, for those claiming that we don't have clocks... We do, they were leaked in the years old Nvidia ransomware leak where we first found out the T239 existed at all. They're the following.
- 660 Mhz (4.3w)
- 1125 Mhz (9.2w)
- 1380 Mhz (12w)
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Muddy
Member
Did you even read what I posted?
Explain how Nintendo are gonna sell an Nvidia powered handheld on par with a Series S for 400 dollars?
When the AMD powered equivalent costs 1000 dollars and AMD parts are cheaper.
This is a completely predictable reaction from Nintendo lovers whenever a new hardware is announced.
They hype it up and get excited only for the REAL specs to appear and it is an underpowered dud.
Cause Nintendo don’t subsidise their hardware and wants profits from launch.
Their hardware is targeted at casuals who will buy regardless. Even the hardcore fans will buy regardless.
This is the same company which sold cardboard for 70 dollars and people happily bought it.
RodriGames40
Member
There's so much "I made it the fuck up" stuff in your post I don't even know where to begin. If you're going to be arguing until the end of the times about the price rather than the specs leaked from the literal factories where the parts are being manufactured and Nvidia's own hacked documents, I'm afraid I can't take any of that at face value.
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Muddy
Member
Nothing made up.
Just 35 years of experience regarding Nintendo and their hardware.
The leak is from a 3D printing enthusiast.
So let’s take this with a handful of salt.
RodriGames40
Member
That's not the only thing that was leaked (the CADs)... And as discussed yesterday in earlier pages, it's real. The person who shared everything openly panicked once they realized the NDA ending or not wouldn't save them.
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
when is the NDA ending?
RodriGames40
Member
According to him it ended yesterday, actually the 17th but the person's chinese.
kevboard
Member
AMD powered PC handhelds are low volume niche products that need to make large profit margins to recoup the R&D costs and make a profit.
the fact that you even try to compare that to a high volume mainstream product that doesn't need to be sold at a profit to recoup costs is just nonsensical.
low volume = higher price
no continuous revenue stream = higher price
high volume= lower price
continuous revenue stream = lower price
very simple concept
lol 7+ years late there
Exactly. Nintendo wants to make money on the device. And keep the price in check for their audience. And will want to come out with a (smaller) lower end model a few years after launch.
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Kataploom
Gold Member
It's not the same:
1. Economy of scales benefits Nintendo waaaaaaay more
2. You don't need such raw power with a better architecture (proprietary SO, Nvidia, DLSS, etc.)
3. I can see Nintendo taking a temporary loss considering they trust their product, but something small like $10 or $20 they can quickly recover with the first game, for the first few months, then the production cost will go down and start making profit... I see this possible because Switch is such a massive success that they can trust a successor for such a tactic way more than they did for Switch back in the day
Maybe all sides need to cool down on this? We don't know what sort of modifications were made to the chipset. People seem to be expecting grand things from this SoC, while others seem to be heavily downplaying what it may be able to do.
If it's even hitting at PS4 GPU levels with a better CPU, that is still a significant feat, especially coupled with DLSS(and that the PS4 CPU was limiting factor for it). But it's Nintendo, so 'modifications' can still mean 'producing and implenting various tech advances to make the hardware punch above it's weight'...or.....'cripple the hardware enough to have it eke out enough performance to have desireable battery life'. It's still a handheld hybrid after all.
I'm waiting to see actual software. I still think Killzone SF is a good looking game, and if Metroid 4 can match the graphical quality of that game, Nintendo would be fine. I don't expect any Nintendo game to be on the level of The Order 1886 for obvious reasons, but I am interested to see what Luigi's Mansion 4 could look like with that level of power, or what Mario Kart or other games could do with that power(Especially Shinen).
Just thought I'd chime in here, but really, I'm just waiting for software to drop and what the new gimmick(s) will be. Even if Nintendo's hardware even touches the coattails of the Xbox Series S, in about 2-3 years it won't matter when MS releases their next gen hardware anyway.
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The argument over power is dumb. There is no magic here. IT is known how much cpu/gpu power improves year to year.
You're going to get a new Nintendo handheld 8 years later. They want a cheap price. They want to release a cheaper model a few years after launch. They want a decent enough battery life. They don't want the thing to be too heavy either. They don't want it too hot in the hands. They don't want it too loud in the hands either. They want to make money on the hardware.
They can get more power docked naturally because there is no battery life restriction and the restriction on noise and heat is much less a concern.
But if you do the maths you can roughly determine the power of the device. And history says Nintendo reaches for withered tech ...within the constraints above. Best bang for the buck tech. Not OMG my benchmarks are better than yours tech.
You're going to get a new Nintendo handheld 8 years later. They want a cheap price. They want to release a cheaper model a few years after launch. They want a decent enough battery life. They don't want the thing to be too heavy either. They don't want it too hot in the hands. They don't want it too loud in the hands either. They want to make money on the hardware.
They can get more power docked naturally because there is no battery life restriction and the restriction on noise and heat is much less a concern.
But if you do the maths you can roughly determine the power of the device. And history says Nintendo reaches for withered tech ...within the constraints above. Best bang for the buck tech. Not OMG my benchmarks are better than yours tech.
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LordOcidax
Member
What level of power you expect from the Switch 2? Use a PlayStation for metric please…
Mozza
Member
Another day another Switch 2 leak, at this point core Nintendo fans are liable to beleive almost anything. And pretty sure when the Switch 2 does come out, it's power will be more down to the fact it came out seven years after the original. rather than any serious sttempt by Nintendo to create a more powerful console.
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Wooxsvan
Member
another leak today 9/19 ? whatd i miss
Elfstar
Member
Watch the same people state they never ever said that when reality checks in.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
How the they missed since there's no real announcement and we have no confirmation of nothing but "there's a new Nintendo hardware next year"?
In other hand, we can do the Switch 2 Official Thread - sWIItching again
...DIBS!!!
sachos
Member
So the sharper image is 4K DLSS Performance? Daaamn.I booted up doom eternal real quick on my PS5 and my PC.
I wonder who can guess which one of these runs on a PS5 at a dynamic 1800p at 60fps, and which is on a lower mid range PC running at 1080p internally at 100+ fps
( NOTE: I have added black bars to the image where on PC I had performance numbers on, and to censor which controller buttons are displayed )
SYSTEM 1
SYSTEM 2
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SYSTEM 1
SYSTEM 2
so, which one looks better? System 1 or System 2?
and for extra info, DLSS has less ghosting in this game than TAA. so in motion, it is in favor of DLSS if you use the correct dlss.dll, no matter which one people might find better looking out of these examples.
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depends on the game and the DLSS implementation. Doom Eternal using the right version of DLSS (you can swap out dlss.dll files super easily on PC) will destroy PS5 image quality with an internal resolution as low as 900p and lower.
I can actually try to match the PS5 image quality and see how low I can go.
DLSS ghosting and fizzle is also often either on par or even better than TAA. this is also dependent on the DLSS version and the implementation.
I think a lot of people don't realise that TAA is also a form of image reconstruction. it creates more "detail" which it then uses to antialias the image. which means TAA is subject to the same issues any temporal reconstruction method has. only that it's usually less so because it isn't as agressive.
kevboard
Member
System 2 is indeed PC at 1080p reconstructed to 4k with DLSS
System 1 is PS5 running at ~1800p native
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deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
My money is on 2. Shotgun is like 0,5% better looking, so eh
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
kevboard
Member
High volume + high price = highest profits.
not for Nintendo. the real money comes from game sales and subscriptions. and a higher price could reduce their market share and therefore their recurring revenue stream.
a one time sale is not worth reducing their possible install base.
what could happen is another 3DS situation where they have to drastically reduce the price soon after launch if sales stagnate and third parties jump off
RodriGames40
Member
Yep. I can say with certainty though that I'm not sure why people think this will be an expensive chip. It's cost optimized already, missing an OLED and 16 GB of RAM at launch, the storage is nothing to write home about either. It's the GPU itself that's really good as everything points at, but Nintendo has already cut several corners with this thing if you've been paying attention.
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News - Rumor - [Vandal] New details about the next Nintendo console - Bigger than the Switch, but smaller than the Steam Deck; Joycons will be magnetic
Even though there hasn't been an official announcement from Nintendo themselves, we've been hearing rumors and leaks for a long time about Switch 2, the upcoming successor to the Nintendo Switch. Speculation grew at the end of last year, when Gamescom attendees claimed to have seen the new...
"Joycons will be magnetic"
Sony also cut so many corners with PS5, they now need to release a Pro version and it still doesn't offer everything they promised with PS5. Everyone cuts corners, at least Nintendo doesn't promise anything but great gameplay.
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RodriGames40
Member
If anything, Nintendo is delivering features thanks to Nvidia that are just making their way into the Pro.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I think it's closer to 5 frames per second on 60 fps games. Which matters, btw.
FalconPunch
Member
Of all the fanbases, fanboys, fangirls, etc, Nintendo's crew sits atop of the hill of delusion unchallenged. It the unholy cocktail of unfounded optimism, a complete lack of knowledge in the subject matter and a know it all attitude rooted in delusion that sets them apart from the pack. We don't need to look farther than this thread and perhaps this post to see the insane lack of logic on display.
Here
RodriGames40
argues that I'm concerned that a 7Watt mobile chip will match or surpass the image quality of "my beloved amd consoles". Breaking down this insanity is rather simple. We only need to look at one of the best mobile chips, the A17pro. Manufactured on one of the most advanced nodes, TSMCs 3nm and yet it doesn't even touch the Series S with it's 8 Watt TDP. Next we look at the Z1 Extreme chip in the Rog Ally which was made on TSMCs 4nm node. It has a TDP of 15-30 watts and still can't match the series s despite having 4tf when not accounting for dual issue. At best, the ROG ally delivers half the performance of series s. Next we look at what Nvidia has been able to release and even on high end TSMC nodes, the RTX 4050 which is 2x faster than the series S uses 100W. So even Nvidia hasn't released a GPU that is as fast as Series S in a 10W envelope on TSMC's 5nm process but somehow they'll do it for Nintendo in a 7W power envelope? Like I said, Nintendo fans have a special breed of delusion exclusive only to them.Most reasonable people recognize that Nintendo won't be releasing cutting edge hardware but instead focus their energy on cutting edge games. Unfortunately, we have people like
RodriGames40
drunk on their own koolaid.
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LordOcidax
Member
I am going to ask the same to you… What level of performance are you expecting from Switch 2 using Playstation as scale??Of all the fanbases, fanboys, fangirls, etc, Nintendo's crew sits atop of the hill of delusion unchallenged. It the unholy cocktail of unfounded optimism, a complete lack of knowledge in the subject matter and a know it all attitude rooted in delusion that sets them apart from the pack. We don't need to look farther than this thread and perhaps this post to see the insane lack of logic on display.
Here
Most reasonable people recognize that Nintendo won't be releasing cutting edge hardware but instead focus their energy on cutting edge games. Unfortunately, we have people like
BlackTron
Member
Yesterday I decided against making a comment implying this could get as fun as Switch 1 prediction thread because nothing can ever top that. I was wrong, it's still GOAT but this is going to age beautifully.
FalconPunch
Member
Due to it's limited tdp, at best ps4/xb1 levels of performance with a helping of DLSS. This is fantastic for a handheld and represents a proper generational leap from the switch. Unfortunately, people are clowning around with their takes in this thread.
LordOcidax
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LordOcidax
Member
Actually that’s in line with expectations of the majority of people here, almost nobody is expecting PS5 kind of performance…
FalconPunch
Member
Who was arguing ps5 performance. We're talking about the series S performance. If you're not going to bother to read the discussion, don't participate.
blacktout
Member
I'm putting off reading your posts, because I think I'll get multiple opportunities in the future when they're used as copypastas.
LordOcidax
Member
Lol, calm down soldier… Series S in docked mode is totally possible with the leaked specs. Also i invite to you to read since page 1, this was discussed before
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Since when
?FalconPunch
Member
I suggest you get yourself up to speed and catch up on the last 2 years of discussion. The SOC is the T239 which is a cutdown version of the T234 with a file decompression block added. It's closest pc counterpart is the RTX 2050 which DF already tested last year. We already know it's performance and you can see it here: DF Tests RTX 2050. The chip is absolutely nothing special at all.Lol, calm down soldier… Series S in docked mode is totally possible with the leaked specs. Also i invite to you to read since page 1, this was discussed before
RodriGames40
Member
Yet again, bringing up the TDP comparison when you clearly know it's apples to oranges. You just brought up an Apple chip at that, like that matters when those are built to burst performance since they're generally used on phones... You have no clue of what you're talking about.Of all the fanbases, fanboys, fangirls, etc, Nintendo's crew sits atop of the hill of delusion unchallenged. It the unholy cocktail of unfounded optimism, a complete lack of knowledge in the subject matter and a know it all attitude rooted in delusion that sets them apart from the pack. We don't need to look farther than this thread and perhaps this post to see the insane lack of logic on display.
Here
Most reasonable people recognize that Nintendo won't be releasing cutting edge hardware but instead focus their energy on cutting edge games. Unfortunately, we have people like
