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[kevboard]

Quoting myself from a prior thread. Nintendo themselves refers to the Switch as a home console. Whether you personally agree with that or not is irrelevant.

who the fuck cares what Nintendo say it is? Nintendo also said that the DS is not the successor to the GameBoy line. why? because if it failed they would have an out to fall back to. they did the exact same with the Switch.

anyone who isn't intellectually dishonest sees the thing, realises it is the size of a tablet, realises that it has a screen on it, realises it has an internal battery, realises it can be played away from any external screen or power source, and accurately categorises it as a handheld system.

just because I can connect my laptop to a monitor doesn't mean it is a desktop PC.

 

[Robb]

Why not just call it a hybrid and be done with it? That means it’s handheld and a home console, so both sides should be happy. It doesn’t have to be black or white. Are people also this aggravated by a ‘spork’ being a spoon and a fork?

 

[daclynk]

Why not just call it a hybrid and be done with it? That means it’s handheld and a home console, so both sides should be happy. It doesn’t have to be black and white. Are people also this aggravated by a ‘spork’ being a spoon and a fork?

 

[loktaiextatus]

Quoting myself from a prior thread. Nintendo themselves refers to the Switch as a home console. Whether you personally agree with that or not is irrelevant.

They say what they'd like to say in order to sell to a market they'd like to sell into. My personal agreement with it is relevant if its correct. If I release a bow and arrow and say "its a gun" would it make sense for people to nay-say anyone saying "But it doesnt fire bullets , it doesnt even have a barrel, YES you can USE it like youd use a gun and for many of the same things but it isnt what we would call a gun, it closer matches a bow and arrow" And youre like "BUT THEY SAID!!!"

 

[loktaiextatus]

Why not just call it a hybrid and be done with it? That means it’s handheld and a home console, so both sides should be happy. It doesn’t have to be black or white. Are people also this aggravated by a ‘spork’ being a spoon and a fork?

So if Sony released the PSP along with the TV adapter to hook it up to a TV in the same box is that a hybrid console?

 

[loktaiextatus]

Anyway not to beat a dead horse, but when they came out with a LITE version of the switch- If its a HOME console with a take-it-with-you feature why did they delete the HOME portion and leave it fully portable when making it "lite"?

 

[daclynk]

so it confirmed the leaks specs is real. we just dont know the clock speeds.

 

[FireFly]

So if Sony released the PSP along with the TV adapter to hook it up to a TV in the same box is that a hybrid console?

If it had a dock like the Nintendo Switch then I would say yes.

 

[MisterXDTV]

It's 120 GB/s, LPDDR5X 7500mt/s. So much for tech illiterates, but you didn't even get that one right.

Actually that's if the memory bus is confirmed to be 128 bit

Every 6/12 GB VRAM Nvidia GPU on the market is either 96 or 192 bit as the RAM size is non-binary

If the bus were cut to 96 bit, then bandwidth would drop to 90 GB/s. Still much larger than the 25.6 GB/s of the current Switch

 

[Robb]

So if Sony released the PSP along with the TV adapter to hook it up to a TV in the same box is that a hybrid console?

If that’s its intended use, sure. I mean, Switch is a product designed to run at different performance levels in handheld mode and docked mode and developers can tweak their games for each playstyle. It’s not just hooking a PSP up to a TV.

If PSP was sold with the same hardware peripherals as the Switch out of the box and designed with the same mindset of offering different experiences depending on how you choose to use it I don’t see why it’d be any different. It’d just be a ‘Switch’ before the Switch.

That’s my view on it. Although I frankly don’t feel like getting stuck in a discussion around this. I feel like I’m going back in time 7 years.

 

[LordOcidax]

So if Sony released the PSP along with the TV adapter to hook it up to a TV in the same box is that a hybrid console?

2024 and some people still don’t want to understand the Switch is a Hybrid

 

[Closer]

They say what they'd like to say in order to sell to a market they'd like to sell into. My personal agreement with it is relevant if its correct. If I release a bow and arrow and say "its a gun" would it make sense for people to nay-say anyone saying "But it doesnt fire bullets , it doesnt even have a barrel, YES you can USE it like youd use a gun and for many of the same things but it isnt what we would call a gun, it closer matches a bow and arrow" And youre like "BUT THEY SAID!!!"

If you release a bow and arrow that has a barrel and works with powder, you can call it a hybrid bow gun.

 

[Woopah]

The dock just lets you cable it to your TV. The machine is a complete autonomous unit in handheld, mobile form. Its a handheld that can dock to the TV while its used as a console, there are HUGE and obvious glaring differences that make it clear its a handheld.... without the dock adapter it cant be used as a console, the machine is half screen which is NOT in use when adapted to the TV, the power of the system on release was inferior to CONSOLES that came out half a decade earlier- you can USE it as a console but it isnt really- and thats WHY people excuse its weaknesses. I own and play a switch OLED- the reason the switch OLED was the upgrade path Nintendo chose instead of a switch PRO or something to boost the experience on a TV- is because its a handheld.

There are several differences between Switch and home consoles, but there are also important differences between Switch and handheld consoles.

And while the screen was the biggest change with the OLED model, Nintendo did add an ethernet port as well to boost the experience on a TV.

That's why "hybrid console" is the best term, as the hardware and software is designed for both uses (plus tabletop).

Why not just call it a hybrid and be done with it? That means it’s handheld and a home console, so both sides should be happy. It doesn’t have to be black or white. Are people also this aggravated by a ‘spork’ being a spoon and a fork?

This.

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

So if Sony released the PSP along with the TV adapter to hook it up to a TV in the same box is that a hybrid console?

Hahahaha why there´s always some delusional people like this?

 

[loktaiextatus]

If you release a bow and arrow that has a barrel and works with powder, you can call it a hybrid bow gun.

Yeah but I just said it doesnt have it. The switch is a handheld outfitted with a dock. Not all switches can dock. Nintendo sells it TOTALLY undockable and still calls it a switch, it uses the same games.

 

[Calverz]

See post #68

And what does ergonomics have to do with it's ability to go outside? The portal is more sturdy then it looks. Ya'll making it sound like people are walking around with Switches in their back pockets...

If those renders are correct, this new Switch is much bigger. Making it less portable.

Unless these new joycons have a more contour back (without me having to go buy an attachment or different controllers), then I still see this as a step backwards when something like the Portal is out there (as ugly as it may be). Nobody held the original Switch and said "this feels amazing in my hands!" - right now it looks like Nintendo ignored that.

Ok. So when Sony build their handheld for next gen, you expect to have the size and dimensions of a dualsense controller. Madness

 

[Closer]

Yeah but I just said it doesnt have it. The switch is a handheld outfitted with a dock. Not all switches can dock. Nintendo sells it TOTALLY undockable and still calls it a switch, it uses the same games.

Yeah and I just said that you could. How would you create or describe a hybrid console?

 

[loktaiextatus]

There are several differences between Switch and home consoles, but there are also important differences between Switch and handheld consoles.

And while the screen was the biggest change with the OLED model, Nintendo did add an ethernet port as well to boost the experience on a TV.

That's why "hybrid console" is the best term, as the hardware and software is designed for both uses (plus tabletop).

This.

Is a Switch Lite a switch or not? There isnt a big difference between even a full on switch and a handheld console.... Its a handheld. No need to make a whole new catagory because it can dock. Like a laptop once it has a dock is now a HYBRID DESKTOP/LAPTOP because once you plug it into the AC adapter without battery constraints it ramps up to full performance .

 

[loktaiextatus]

Yeah and I just said that you could. How would you create or describe a hybrid console?

A true hybrid console would be like the Wii U where part of the console is handheld. Otherwise by the switch definition then a PS5 and a portal is a hybrid console too... probably closer to one.

 

[loktaiextatus]

If that’s its intended use, sure. I mean, Switch is a product designed to run at different performance levels in handheld mode and docked mode and developers can tweak their games for each playstyle. It’s not just hooking a PSP up to a TV.

If PSP was sold with the same hardware peripherals as the Switch out of the box and designed with the same mindset of offering different experiences depending on how you choose to use it I don’t see why it’d be any different. It’d just be a ‘Switch’ before the Switch.

That’s my view on it. Although I frankly don’t feel like getting stuck in a discussion around this. I feel like I’m going back in time 7 years.

Laptops have difference performance levels based on if they are plugged in or not. Doesnt make them "hybrid desktops"

 

[Closer]

A true hybrid console would be like the Wii U where part of the console is handheld. Otherwise by the switch definition then a PS5 and a portal is a hybrid console too... probably closer to one.

By the logic that "WiiU is a hybrid console" is that "Ps5 and a Portal is a hybrid console" tho.

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

A true hybrid console would be like the Wii U where part of the console is handheld. Otherwise by the switch definition then a PS5 and a portal is a hybrid console too... probably closer to one.

Portal doesnt even work if there is no online conection, something Wii U CAN actually do!

 

[loktaiextatus]

Portal doesnt even work if there is no online conection, something Wii U CAN actually do!

Its an example. The functionality is the point. But that said- you do not need an ONLINE connection you need a WIFI connection- its really meant to be used IN the house according to Sony but CAN be used from anyplace.

 

[Robb]

Laptops have difference performance levels based on if they are plugged in or not. Doesnt make them "hybrid desktops"

Not sure what to tell you other than that I agree with that statement and still consider Switch a hybrid game console.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Not sure what to tell you other than that I agree with that statement and still consider Switch a hybrid game console.

Then thats effective marketing. I am a systems engineer and work with technology all the time. Since day one when it came out- to anyone sane it was a handheld that you can dock. Whatever extras you may get while its on AC power is really a secondary question to if its a fully autonomous mobile console you take with you. Nintendo solidified this by releasing a Switch lite- showing their entire vision for the console could totally exclude a dock.

 

[Woopah]

Is a Switch Lite a switch or not? There isnt a big difference between even a full on switch and a handheld console.... Its a handheld. No need to make a whole new catagory because it can dock. Like a laptop once it has a dock is now a HYBRID DESKTOP/LAPTOP because once you plug it into the AC adapter without battery constraints it ramps up to full performance .

Switch Lite is a handheld, while the standard and OLED are hybrid. Like how the standard Vita is a handheld console but the Vita TV is a home console.

I'd say you need a new category because Switch was designed for home console audiences in a way Nintendo's handheld consoles were not.

Same TV, simultaneous multiplayer is a huge part of Switch's value proposition. That's not the case for handhelds

Then you have control schemes and even whole Switch games that simply don't work for handheld users. Which didn't really happen for handheld consoles.

 

[Mozza]

Wow, somebody leaked a Switch 2 prototype, that looks like a Switch............... what are the chances.

 

[Robb]

Then thats effective marketing. I am a systems engineer and work with technology all the time. Since day one when it came out- to anyone sane it was a handheld that you can dock. Whatever extras you may get while its on AC power is really a secondary question to if its a fully autonomous mobile console you take with you. Nintendo solidified this by releasing a Switch lite- showing their entire vision for the console could totally exclude a dock.

Sure. And the Switch Lite isn’t a hybrid console, just another SKU of the Switch that exclusively provides handheld mode.

 

[Mozza]

to be fair tho, what Nintendo should have done is give the OLED model a mode that lets you run games at docked mode settings while playing handheld mode. the TX1 Mariko chip would be able to do that while having better battery life than the launch model.

absolutely missed usecase for a vastly improve version of their hardware.

What they should have done, and what Nintendo pretty much always do, are two very different things. Let's be honest though, outside of the core obsessives, who actually was crying out for a pro version, in all honesty.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Switch Lite is a handheld, while the standard and OLED are hybrid. Like how the standard Vita is a handheld console but the Vita TV is a home console.

I'd say you need a new category because Switch was designed for home console audiences in a way Nintendo's handheld consoles were not.

Same TV, simultaneous multiplayer is a huge part of Switch's value proposition. That's not the case for handhelds

Then you have control schemes and even whole games that simply don't work for handheld users. Which didn't really happen for handheld consoles.

Except Nintendo isnt the only people who ever made a handheld. Other devices Sega Nomad connects to TVs- and its a handheld or isnt it ?
The PSP does as well. Nobody created a new catagory for it. Just because Nintendo finally showed up to the game of connecting consoles to TVs... doesnt mean much.

Nobody is arguing if the vita TV is a console or not - or saying that Vita is a hybrid. Switch lite does one of the things Switch does- Vita TV and VITA do not overlap like that
One is TV, one is handheld. But plenty of HANDHELDS have had TV out - just because Nintendo requires a dock to do it doesnt make it part console and thus "hybrid"
any more than it makes a Playstation a hybrid console because with an extra piece of hardware its now portable.

 

[FireFly]

Actually that's if the memory bus is confirmed to be 128 bit

Every 6/12 GB VRAM Nvidia GPU on the market is either 96 or 192 bit as the RAM size is non-binary

If the bus were cut to 96 bit, then bandwidth would drop to 90 GB/s. Still much larger than the 25.6 GB/s of the current Switch

In the leak it mentioned that two dual channel 6 GB memory modules were being used. So that would make a 128-bit bus.

Then thats effective marketing. I am a systems engineer and work with technology all the time. Since day one when it came out- to anyone sane it was a handheld that you can dock. Whatever extras you may get while its on AC power is really a secondary question to if its a fully autonomous mobile console you take with you. Nintendo solidified this by releasing a Switch lite- showing their entire vision for the console could totally exclude a dock.

A handheld you can dock is what many people here would call a hybrid console. So the dispute seems purely to be about semantics. You want to use one word for something and other people want to use a different word.

(In a world where some laptops couldn't be connected up to external monitors or docks, the "hybrid" distinction would make a lot more sense. But people effectively use laptops as PC replacements these days, so the usage has actually shifted the other way).

 

[loktaiextatus]

In the leak it mentioned that two dual channel 6 GB memory modules were being used. So that would make a 128-bit bus.


A handheld you can dock is what many people here would call a hybrid console. So the dispute seems purely to be about semantics. You want to use one word for something and other people want to use a different word.

(In a world where some laptops couldn't be connected up to external monitors or docks, the "hybrid" distinction would make a lot more sense. But people effectively use laptops as PC replacements these days, so the usage has actually shifted the other way).

"in a world" - a lot of laptops didnt/dont take docks or have a dock port. Just so you understand that. But connecting a laptop to an AC adapter and a monitor, never made people say "hybrid" - it would be ridiculous, because its an autonomous laptop you can pick up and walk away with. Having a special dock or not ( just a cradle to make it so you dont need to manually move wires)- In the switches case it cant even Do that function without its dock

 

[Woopah]

Except Nintendo isnt the only people who ever made a handheld. Other devices Sega Nomad connects to TVs- and its a handheld or isnt it ?
The PSP does as well. Nobody created a new catagory for it. Just because Nintendo finally showed up to the game of connecting consoles to TVs... doesnt mean much.

Nobody is arguing if the vita TV is a console or not - or saying that Vita is a hybrid. Switch lite does one of the things Switch does- Vita TV and VITA do not overlap like that
One is TV, one is handheld. But plenty of HANDHELDS have had TV out - just because Nintendo requires a dock to do it doesnt make it part console and thus "hybrid"
any more than it makes a Playstation a hybrid console because with an extra piece of hardware its now portable.

If Switch has designed Switch to be a handheld console with a HDMI port, then yes it would be a handheld product.

But they didn't do that. They designed it to be a hybrid console and that's reflected in both the hardware design and software design.

How many PSP games did Sony publish that can't be played in handheld? How many PSP games have simultaneous, same TV multiplayer?

 

[loktaiextatus]

If Switch has designed Switch to be a handheld console with a HDMI port, then yes it would be a handheld product.

But they didn't do that. They designed it to be a hybrid console that's reflected in both the hardware design and software design.

Thats exactly what they designed. The C port on the machine passes through HDMI essentially through the dock- the same way as a laptop dock connects a single USB C wire and provides power to the laptop, display output, USB hub, it doesnt make the laptop a hybrid PC.

 

[loktaiextatus]

If Switch has designed Switch to be a handheld console with a HDMI port, then yes it would be a handheld product.

But they didn't do that. They designed it to be a hybrid console that's reflected in both the hardware design and software design.

The Switch lite plays the same games. And you can run the switch without ever docking it at all, just plug the charger into the bottom to charge it, its fine. No need for any of those features, Its a totally autonomous handheld- you can dock it if you want the software supports it. So did the code on the Nomad and the PSP.

 

[daclynk]

i have a question. does the switch two or three modes?
Handheld - different clock speeds
'Cheap VR' mode - different speeds
Console 'docked' mode - higher speeds.

Right.

So handheld console between n3ds specs to switch lite specs was a huge(specswise) a upgrade like 64 to GC
And Home Console between Wii U to Switch OLED was little like the GC to Wii.

It crazy when you think about it Sony has three 'consoles' on the market.
PS Portal
PSVR2
PS5 console.

hmmmm.
So you need one switch to get all three experience but on PlayStation you need all 3 systems to enjoy..
I wish Nintendo would be in Sony's shoes and had all those systems on the market. So many gameplay possibilities. It crazy the industry doesn't take risks anymore.
I remember in the 90s we were wishes for more power to innovate/evolve the industry now with all this power we don't take risk anymore and are safe.

Sony could have a game that has asymmetric gameplay with PS portal, PSVR2 and Dualsense game play the same game but have different experience.

 

[Woopah]

Thats exactly what they designed. The C port on the machine passes through HDMI essentially through the dock- the same way as a laptop dock connects a single USB C wire and provides power to the laptop, display output, USB hub, it doesnt make the laptop a hybrid PC.

That's part of what they did, but not all. They also designed it to have detachable controllers to offer local multiplayer out the box. They designed it so 8 people can play on the same TV at the same time.

It was created to appeal to both the DS audience and the Wii audience, not just one or the other.

The Switch lite plays the same games. And you can run the switch without ever docking it at all, just plug the charger into the bottom to charge it, its fine. No need for any of those features, Its a totally autonomous handheld- you can dock it if you want the software supports it. So did the code on the Nomad and the PSP.

To quote from my edit from above:

How many PSP games did Sony publish that can't be played in handheld? How many PSP games have simultaneous, same TV multiplayer?

 

[Robb]

 

[loktaiextatus]

i have a question. does the switch two or three modes?
Handheld - different clock speeds
'Cheap VR' mode - different speeds
Console 'docked' mode - higher speeds.

Right.

It crazy when you think about it Sony has three 'consoles' on the market.
PS Portal
PSVR2
PS5 console.

hmmmm.
So you need one switch to get all three experience but on PlayStation you need all 3 systems to enjoy..
I wish Nintendo would be in Sony's shoes and had all those systems on the market. So many gameplay possibilities. It crazy the industry doesn't take risks anymore.
I remember in the 90s we were wishes for more power to innovate/evolve the industry now with all this power we don't take risk anymore and are safe.

Sony could have a game that has asymmetric gameplay with PS portal, PSVR2 and Dualsense game play the same game but have different experience.

Its really too bad the switch is considerably worse at everything except being portable- which is not me BASHING it, I use my switch OLED regularly. I choose low fidelity games on switch so I can play them portable or just hanging out not near a TV. I think those features being accessories on PlayStation gives you some options. Though I wouldnt compare the experience on switch to the VR on even PSVR1... where the ONLY issue is really tracking. I got lucky and got mine to track properly but I have seen others not so lucky based on their rooms etc. Sony solved it with PSVR2 but.... If Nintendo came out with a proper VR experience, I bet it would be slick AF even if it were lower end, just knowing how they tend to lean toward that kind of "just works" thing.

 

[RodriGames40]

Actually that's if the memory bus is confirmed to be 128 bit

Every 6/12 GB VRAM Nvidia GPU on the market is either 96 or 192 bit as the RAM size is non-binary

If the bus were cut to 96 bit, then bandwidth would drop to 90 GB/s. Still much larger than the 25.6 GB/s of the current Switch

It's 128 bit, as well. The custom data literally says dual channel (the module has a listing, it's 64 bit each). It showed up in the ransomware data as well.

 

[loktaiextatus]

That's part of what they did, but not all. They also designed it to have detachable controllers to offer local multiplayer out the box. They designed it so 8 people can play on the same TV at the same time.

It was created to appeal to both the DS audience and the Wii audience, not just one or the other.



To quote from my edit from above:

How many PSP games did Sony publish that can't be played in handheld? How many PSP games have simultaneous, same TV multiplayer?

Again I could gesture at the Lite and say "is this a switch or not". You're citing software, but we are talking about the machine. You COULD have done something like that
if you thought the PSP audience was going to have those accessories handy. Pointing out a special feature of the Switch does not change its entire catagory.
Some consoles like an Atari Jaguar or playstation etc can be LINKED for local multiplayer on different displays- and some handhelds can be linked for local multiplayer
of the same game as well. This didnt make them a whole new catagory of machine. The fact that its up on the TV is a cool feature of docking the unit.
I understand where you're trying to go by saying that but it doesnt cancel out what a switch is and what its core is.
I think Nintendo as far as games where you cant play them in handheld mode there are what.. TWO of them and one of the works fine if you take the controllers off?
The rest that dont work are ones that dont work on LITE because of other missing features not related to the dock like detachable controllers or
cameras.

 

[RoboFu]

I don't care what the size is as I will only have it docked but 12 gigs of ram is enough to get me excited.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Yeah nobodys shocked by someone else fence sitting. I have played other handhelds on TVs. You can buy a handheld on amazon for a few bucks that can also connect to your TV, theres nothing exotic there, its a handheld with TV out that you need the dongle (dock) to use. Nintendo included TV out features, which is why the software and games support it, But it doesnt make it a console, there are many reasons why not- as some said, not until the OLED did you get the upgrade of ethernet port, nintendo themselves release a lite version that drops that "extra" feature, the machine does DOCK quite well, the DOCKING feature of the handheld works awesome- And I own and use a switch- but there is a reason their upgraded version, their lite version etc all focus on the portable aspects of the machine .. they didnt call it "NOW WITH ETHERNET" they called it switch OLED because its about the portable experience, switch lite doesnt even dock, and I will likely buy the switch 2- but EVERYONE Ive spoken to whos seen the leaks says the same thing" How the hell am I going to LUG THAT AROUND".

 

[loktaiextatus]

I don't care what the size is as I will only have it docked but 12 gigs of ram is enough to get me excited.

Oi..... well I mean thats the one spec myself and others I have been talking to about it have been lamenting. 12gb of total shared RAM,. its the LEAST improved part of the machine. 12g in 2024 means itll still be 12g in 2030. 12g is VERY low considering the switch was underpowered when it came out in 2017 with 4. Proof of the pudding is in the tasting though- So we are waiting to see games.

 

[Robb]

Yeah nobodys shocked by someone else fence sitting. I have played other handhelds on TVs. You can buy a handheld on amazon for a few bucks that can also connect to your TV, theres nothing exotic there, its a handheld with TV out that you need the dongle (dock) to use. Nintendo included TV out features, which is why the software and games support it, But it doesnt make it a console, there are many reasons why not- as some said, not until the OLED did you get the upgrade of ethernet port, nintendo themselves release a lite version that drops that "extra" feature, the machine does DOCK quite well, the DOCKING feature of the handheld works awesome- And I own and use a switch- but there is a reason their upgraded version, their lite version etc all focus on the portable aspects of the machine .. they didnt call it "NOW WITH ETHERNET" they called it switch OLED because its about the portable experience, switch lite doesnt even dock, and I will likely buy the switch 2- but EVERYONE Ive spoken to whos seen the leaks says the same thing" How the hell am I going to LUG THAT AROUND".

I’m just having some fun at this point. I think it’s obvious we can just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[loktaiextatus]

I’m just having some fun at this point. I think it’s obvious we can just agree to disagree and move on.

Of course it is. It was never a sticking point just a discussion, all in good humor.

 

[RoboFu]

Oi..... well I mean thats the one spec myself and others I have been talking to about it have been lamenting. 12gb of total shared RAM,. its the LEAST improved part of the machine. 12g in 2024 means itll still be 12g in 2030. 12g is VERY low considering the switch was underpowered when it came out in 2017 with 4. Proof of the pudding is in the tasting though- So we are waiting to see games.

Ehh the ps5 has 16 and ps4 had 8.
12 for the estimated specs will be more than enough.

 

[MisterXDTV]

It's 128 bit, as well. The custom data literally says dual channel (the module has a listing, it's 64 bit each). It showed up in the ransomware data as well.

Yeah, you are right it's a 6 (GB) x2 (chips) configuration, I didn't read it

Not a 2 (GB) x6 (chips) configuration like the RTX 4070

 

[Rat Rage]

Why not just call it a hybrid and be done with it? That means it’s handheld and a home console, so both sides should be happy. It doesn’t have to be black or white. Are people also this aggravated by a ‘spork’ being a spoon and a fork?

You can spin it however you want, but the Nintendo Switch is a portable handheld that can be hooked up to a TV - nothing more, nothing less. It's primarily a handheld. The switch is a great system, no doubt, but all this "hybrid" talk is just mere marketing.

I hope people realize that Nintendo's Wii U did so badly during that generation, that after it, Nintendo abandoned - in fact - the traditional home console market. Before that, they used to compete in 2 markets, handheld gaming and home console gaming.

The Wii U desaster forced them to basically fuse both markets, not by creating a hybrid, but by scrapping their home console market and entirely focus on what they were always best at: their handheld gaming market.

The Nintendo Switch is the true successor to the Nintendo 3DS - NOT the successor to the Wii U. They basically fused both of their markets by creating a super powerful "handheld" (which can be hooked to a tv).

The whole hybrid marketing bullshit only serves the purpose of justifying selling a 350 dollar expenive Nintendo handheld to the masses (which up to that point, was a first for Nintendo).

Anyway, the Switch is great, the markting works, but the emperor still has no clothes on.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Ehh the ps5 has 16 and ps4 had 8.
12 for the estimated specs will be more than enough.

Well we will see the games. It just seems like it would have been a great place to shove some extra umph- especially with the storage while FAST- being slower than the consoles released 4 years ago. Comparing it to the 2013 PS4 is kind of not flattering, the 4 year old PS5- more flattering. Just that graphical umph has nothing to do with things like WORLD size and such and more is never bad. When porting games- and I am sure you'll see much more of that than we even see now- having the leeway/parity would probably be a "nice to have"- and I know the arguments can be made up and down about resolution vs vram requirements etc but there is really no reason not to shovel huge textures on it- even with DLSS the textures being better wont hurt anyone.