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[gunstarhero]

Ok. So when Sony build their handheld for next gen, you expect to have the size and dimensions of a dualsense controller. Madness

Not at all - there is a middle ground here. It looks like they just made it bigger.

Besides, judging by the size of that render, Nintendo's idea of "portable" is more about moving around in your home (or rooftop parties!), and less about commuting. That thing is a monster.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Not at all - there is a middle ground here. It looks like they just made it bigger.

Besides, judging by the size of that render, Nintendo's idea of "portable" is more about moving around in your home (or rooftop parties!), and less about commuting. That thing is a monster.

My friends and I openly mocked the idea that youd bring that thing out to a party (the initial switch marketing)- but then also mocked that if it were THAT kind of party, probably like 7 people would all bring their switch and just sit in the corners of the room playing in silence while normal people hook up.

 

[Robb]

You can spin it however you want

I don’t really think I need to. If I ask my kid what the Switch is she’ll say it’s a portable. If I ask my brother he’ll call it a console. Because that’s how they use it.

Yet both would call a laptop a portable computer whether it’s hooked up to a TV or not.

The hybrid concept wouldn’t stick for 7 years, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion, if there was an obvious single use case.

 

[loktaiextatus]

I don’t really think I need to. If I ask my kid what the Switch is she’ll say it’s a portable. If I ask my brother he’ll call it a console. Because that’s how they use it.

Yet both would call a laptop a portable computer whether it’s hooked up to a TV or not.

The hybrid concept wouldn’t stick for 7 years, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion, if there was an obvious single use case.

I am issued a laptop for work that remains docked ALL the time. RARELY do I ever remove it from there.

Someone calling it a console though they know its portable, or calling it hybrid is a matter of conditioning to a concept. Nintendo said Hybrid because they wanted to be able to get more market share or sell it as a feature- Again not to argue for the sake of argument but a Subaru BAJA also meets the vague description of a pickup truck- But we all know what it is. Using it docked like that is valid, sure. But TONS of people use laptop computers like that. Mine is there right now, I am typing on a laptop with an external keyboard, dual monitors, a dock with a wired ethernet connection and other things - But its a laptop. The laptop was designed to use this dock- the dock came IN the box with the laptop. But the laptop is a laptop not a "hybrid pc"

 

[Woopah]

Again I could gesture at the Lite and say "is this a switch or not". You're citing software, but we are talking about the machine. You COULD have done something like that
if you thought the PSP audience was going to have those accessories handy. Pointing out a special feature of the Switch does not change its entire catagory.

Lite is a handheld console, while standard and OLED are hybrid.

Some consoles like an Atari Jaguar or playstation etc can be LINKED for local multiplayer on different displays- and some handhelds can be linked for local multiplayer
of the same game as well. This didnt make them a whole new catagory of machine. The fact that its up on the TV is a cool feature of docking the unit.

It didn't need a new category because handheld consoles being linked is still functionality designed for when then console is in your hands.

Switch has functionality designed specifically for when it's not in your hand. This isn't an accessory, it's a core part of the design of the machine.

I understand where you're trying to go by saying that but it doesnt cancel out what a switch is and what its core is.

Here's something I think we can agree on. If we're talking purely about the SoC, then it's primarily designed to be handheld.

But I'm describing Switch as the whole product (controllers, screen, dock, power profiles, software output etc.)

I think Nintendo as far as games where you cant play them in handheld mode there are what.. TWO of them and one of the works fine if you take the controllers off?

The rest that dont work are ones that dont work on LITE because of other missing features not related to the dock like detachable controllers or cameras.

To give the biggest examples, Super Mario Party, Switch Sports and Ring Fit Adventure have all sold over 13 million copies each (SMP is over 20 million) and they cannot be played in handheld mode. If Switch was a handheld, these games would not exist.

What I'm saying is that if Switch was designed as a handheld instead of a hybrid, it would have had a significant impact on the software Nintendo produced and a significant impact on the way the machine is used.

The first two Switch-only games Nintendo ever published were primarily designed around home console use, not handheld use.

It's whole value proposition to the market is built around it being a hybrid.

I appreciate your commitment to the discussion btw.

 

[Preseznik]

The dock just lets you cable it to your TV. The machine is a complete autonomous unit in handheld, mobile form. Its a handheld that can dock to the TV while its used as a console, there are HUGE and obvious glaring differences that make it clear its a handheld.... without the dock adapter it cant be used as a console, the machine is half screen which is NOT in use when adapted to the TV, the power of the system on release was inferior to CONSOLES that came out half a decade earlier- you can USE it as a console but it isnt really- and thats WHY people excuse its weaknesses. I own and play a switch OLED- the reason the switch OLED was the upgrade path Nintendo chose instead of a switch PRO or something to boost the experience on a TV- is because its a handheld.

I believe they went with OLED because it was that or nothing.

The simple fact that this thing can and is used as nothing more than a home console is just an argument you can't talk your way around.

 

[Robb]

I am issued a laptop for work that remains docked ALL the time. RARELY do I ever remove it from there.

Someone calling it a console though they know its portable, or calling it hybrid is a matter of conditioning to a concept. Nintendo said Hybrid because they wanted to be able to get more market share or sell it as a feature- Again not to argue for the sake of argument but a Subaru BAJA also meets the vague description of a pickup truck- But we all know what it is. Using it docked like that is valid, sure. But TONS of people use laptop computers like that. Mine is there right now, I am typing on a laptop with an external keyboard, dual monitors, a dock with a wired ethernet connection and other things - But its a laptop. The laptop was designed to use this dock- the dock came IN the box with the laptop. But the laptop is a laptop not a "hybrid pc"

Sure, I have a laptop for work and it’s always in a dock as well. I wouldn’t call it a hybrid, I’d still call it a laptop. And so would everyone else I presume.

But that’s not the case with the Switch from my, very anecdotal, experience. People call it as what they use it as.

 

[FireFly]

"in a world" - a lot of laptops didnt/dont take docks or have a dock port. Just so you understand that. But connecting a laptop to an AC adapter and a monitor, never made people say "hybrid" - it would be ridiculous, because its an autonomous laptop you can pick up and walk away with. Having a special dock or not ( just a cradle to make it so you dont need to manually move wires)- In the switches case it cant even Do that function without its dock

Well if a laptop has a USB out and a video out, you should be able to attach some type of dock to it, even if it isn't as seamless as having a special docking port. So to me being dockable is part of the basic functionality of a laptop.

But even if you disagree about that, we can still ask "is the laptop dockable", and that question makes sense. So I don't see why we shouldn't be able to ask the same kind of question in the console space ("Is the console X"), but use a different word instead of dockable, namely "hybrid". Your claim would have to be that we simply can't use different words in different contexts!

 

[Mozza]

Or the Switch was called a handheld console, when it started to sell very well.

 

[Woopah]

You can spin it however you want, but the Nintendo Switch is a portable handheld that can be hooked up to a TV - nothing more, nothing less. It's primarily a handheld. The switch is a great system, no doubt, but all this "hybrid" talk is just mere marketing.

I hope people realize that Nintendo's Wii U did so badly during that generation, that after it, Nintendo abandoned - in fact - the traditional home console market. Before that, they used to compete in 2 markets, handheld gaming and home console gaming.

The Wii U desaster forced them to basically fuse both markets, not by creating a hybrid, but by scrapping their home console market and entirely focus on what they were always best at: their handheld gaming market.

But Switch does also target the home console market. You can tell from.the software.

A lot of the experiences people bought the Wii/N64/GameCube for are also offered by the Switch. It's one product designed to compete in both markets.

If Nintendo only wanted to compete in the portable market, they would have just made the Lite. Instead, the Lite is the least popular model.

 

[kevboard]

But Switch does also target the home console market. You can tell from the software.

A lot of the experiences people bought the Wii/N64/GameCube for are also offered by the Switch. It's one product designed to compete in both markets.

If Nintendo only wanted to compete in the portable market, they would have just made the Lite. Instead, the Lite is the least popular model.

guys, I just bought a brand new home console

filled with home console games that offer the same experiences people bought on PS1/PS2/PS3

 

[Woopah]

guys, I just bought a brand new home console

filled with home console games that offer the same experiences people bought on PS1/PS2/PS3

If Nintendo were just targeting the handheld market, they wouldn't have developed Ring Fit Adventure or Switch Sports or Arms. Those are clearly aimed at the same audience as Wii games.

You wouldn't have 4 player same TV multiplayer for Mario Wonder or Mario Kart or 8 player for Smash Ultimate.

The ability to play these franchises in local multiplayer on the same TV was a huge part of the Wii's value proposition, and it's a huge part of the Switch's value proposition.

 

[kevboard]

If Nintendo were just targeting the handheld market, they wouldn't have developed Ring Fit Adventure or Switch Sports or Arms. Those are clearly aimed at the same audience as Wii games.

You wouldn't have 4 player same TV multiplayer for Mario Wonder or Mario Kart or 8 player for Smash Ultimate.

The ability to play these franchises in local multiplayer on the same TV was a huge part of the Wii's value proposition, and it's a huge part of the Switch's value proposition.

that doesn't change the fact that it is a tablet with a screen on it.
handhelds have consistently added more and more features and characteristics of home consoles. that's the natural evolution of handheld systems. the original limitation that made this not possible was just the technology being not available or too expensive.

that didn't stop companies from trying it even back in the 90s tho

the PSP 2000 and 3000 could be connected to a TV, because Sony knew the games they sell on their handheld in combination with the technology they had available, meant that they could make the PSP a viable system for people to use on a TV.
with the PSPgo they went a step further and added Dualshock 3 support and sold a dock to make connecting to a TV even better. it also supported local multiplayer for PS1 games.

so clearly the steps in the direction of making the handheld work as a home console were already very apparent.

with the PSVita they apparently removed an HDMI port during development because of a hardware issue. the data lines and a spot for a connector are still there on the 1000 model.
but later they of course released the Vita TV/PlayStation TV, which allowed you to play Vita games on a TV, and some Vita games also supported local multiplayer on a single system for that reason.

Nintendo simply went for the next step in this clear direction that the handheld market is going. and they used this opportunity to also unify their development studios so that they don't have to spread their games across 2 systems, especially when they both are able to deliver similar experiences anyway.

next gen we will probably see at least Microsoft follow. they will most probably have a Handheld that takes the spot of the Series S, and I would also bet that that handheld will be able to connect to a TV and controllers.
recently even rumours of a Sony handheld surfaced, which if it will be made, will probably also follow that trend.

the Steam Deck can be used as a fully functional PC, as can the ROG Ally or the Lenovo Legion.
all of them play the same games as home consoles and PCs. not because there is some deeper design philosophy behind that fact, but simply because the technology allows it now.

 

[Closer]

Well, the Apple Vision Pro is not really a VR Glasses because it projects stuff to the living room where you are using its cameras, just like 3DS and Vita. So, just like that, Apple Vision Pro is a Handheld console. Pls no spin.

 

[Woopah]

that doesn't change the fact that it is a tablet with a screen on it.
handhelds have consistently added more and more features and characteristics of home consoles. that's the natural evolution of handheld systems. the original limitation that made this not possible was just the technology being not available or too expensive.

that didn't stop companies from trying it even back in the 90s tho

the PSP 2000 and 3000 could be connected to a TV, because Sony knew the games they sell on their handheld in combination with the technology they had available, meant that they could make the PSP a viable system for people to use on a TV.
with the PSPgo they went a step further and added Dualshock 3 support and sold a dock to make connecting to a TV even better. it also supported local multiplayer for PS1 games.

so clearly the steps in the direction of making the handheld work as a home console were already very apparent.

with the PSVita they apparently removed an HDMI port during development because of a hardware issue. the data lines and a spot for a connector are still there on the 1000 model.
but later they of course released the Vita TV/PlayStation TV, which allowed you to play Vita games on a TV, and some Vita games also supported local multiplayer on a single system for that reason.

Nintendo simply went for the next step in this clear direction that the handheld market is going. and they used this opportunity to also unify their development studios so that they don't have to spread their games across 2 systems, especially when they both are able to deliver similar experiences anyway.

next gen we will probably see at least Microsoft follow. they will most probably have a Handheld that takes the spot of the Series S, and I would also bet that that handheld will be able to connect to a TV and controllers.
recently even rumours of a Sony handheld surfaced, which if it will be made, will probably also follow that trend.

the Steam Deck can be used as a fully functional PC, as can the ROG Ally or the Lenovo Legion.
all of them play the same games as home consoles and PCs. not because there is some deeper design philosophy behind that fact, but simply because the technology allows it now.

Let's say Microsoft releases a next gen machine with a screen, dock and detachable controllers that people can use to play games on their TV. Many games have features that do not work in handheld mode, and some first party games cannot even be played in handheld mode.

Would you say such a console is targeted purely at the handheld market?

 

[loktaiextatus]

Lite is a handheld console, while standard and OLED are hybrid.


It didn't need a new category because handheld consoles being linked is still functionality designed for when then console is in your hands.

Switch has functionality designed specifically for when it's not in your hand. This isn't an accessory, it's a core part of the design of the machine.



Here's something I think we can agree on. If we're talking purely about the SoC, then it's primarily designed to be handheld.

But I'm describing Switch as the whole product (controllers, screen, dock, power profiles, software output etc.)



To give the biggest examples, Super Mario Party, Switch Sports and Ring Fit Adventure have all sold over 13 million copies each (SMP is over 20 million) and they cannot be played in handheld mode. If Switch was a handheld, these games would not exist.

What I'm saying is that if Switch was designed as a handheld instead of a hybrid, it would have had a significant impact on the software Nintendo produced and a significant impact on the way the machine is used.

The first two Switch-only games Nintendo ever published were primarily designed around home console use, not handheld use.

It's whole value proposition to the market is built around it being a hybrid.

I appreciate your commitment to the discussion btw.

I get that the software they made used the features they knew the machine had- But though we did point out 3 games which are major examples no doubt- not to discount the high shipped number
of those 3 games of course but again- I must point out youre making a bit of a different argument they made those games knowing they would have that function available but switch sports does NOT require being docked, only removing the joycons and this also goes for Ring fit adventure.... I beleive super mario party you need two switches? I do know supposedly youre able to play it without a TV but I dont know if the two switch thing matters. Those games do not work on switch LITE but do not require a dock as far as I am aware.

 

[loktaiextatus]

I believe they went with OLED because it was that or nothing.

The simple fact that this thing can and is used as nothing more than a home console is just an argument you can't talk your way around.

Why? Use does not dictate what it is. I can sit there with a laptop and never take it anywhere- it doesnt transform it into a PC. The fact that you CAN go pluck it off the dock and use it any time you want because it has a battery in it, and the entire console is contained in the handheld tablet and you can charge it without the dock and use it on the network without the dock and you can move it between any docks you want show the dock is just a peripheral.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Well if a laptop has a USB out and a video out, you should be able to attach some type of dock to it, even if it isn't as seamless as having a special docking port. So to me being dockable is part of the basic functionality of a laptop.

But even if you disagree about that, we can still ask "is the laptop dockable", and that question makes sense. So I don't see why we shouldn't be able to ask the same kind of question in the console space ("Is the console X"), but use a different word instead of dockable, namely "hybrid". Your claim would have to be that we simply can't use different words in different contexts!

The claim is only that words matter - using something differently doesn't change it. I can take a potato masher and use it to mash other things or i can use it to swat flies, the person selling it can even tell me "You can use this to go dig a hole to plant tulips" but if any normal person looks at the potato masher and it is clearly one- it doesn't mean we need a new word for it - YES that happens but I dont go along with stuff like that- its silly.

 

[Hohenheim]

Why not just call it a hybrid and be done with it? That means it’s handheld and a home console, so both sides should be happy. It doesn’t have to be black or white. Are people also this aggravated by a ‘spork’ being a spoon and a fork?

So true.
I keep my Steam Deck docked to my TV lots of times, so for me it's just as much a home console as a handheld PC.
Yeah, that's right. My Steam Deck is a also "home console".

Denying that the Switch is anything else than a hybrid is just autism in motion.

 

[kevboard]

The simple fact that this thing can and is used as nothing more than a home console is just an argument you can't talk your way around.

my old laptop was used only while connected to a power cable, a mouse, a keyboard and a PC monitor.
that doesn't magically not make it a laptop. it's still a laptop

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The dock just lets you cable it to your TV. The machine is a complete autonomous unit in handheld, mobile form. Its a handheld that can dock to the TV while its used as a console, there are HUGE and obvious glaring differences that make it clear its a handheld.... without the dock adapter it cant be used as a console, the machine is half screen which is NOT in use when adapted to the TV, the power of the system on release was inferior to CONSOLES that came out half a decade earlier- you can USE it as a console but it isnt really- and thats WHY people excuse its weaknesses. I own and play a switch OLED- the reason the switch OLED was the upgrade path Nintendo chose instead of a switch PRO or something to boost the experience on a TV- is because its a handheld.

Just like iPhone's.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Just like iPhone's.

Iphone is also not a console

 

[kevboard]

Let's say Microsoft releases a next gen machine with a screen, dock and detachable controllers that people can use to play games on their TV. Many games have features that do not work in handheld mode, and some first party games cannot even be played in handheld mode.

such a system doesn't exist tho. as far as I am aware, every single Switch game works on the Lite and every single game works in handheld mode. that includes Ring Fit.
meanwhile there are DS games that don't work with the DSi that doesn't change the fact that it is a DS

edit: in fact, it is the other way around. there are modes and minigames and entire Switch titles that ONLY work when disconnected from the TV... so, great home console there lol

 

[loktaiextatus]

So true.
I keep my Steam Deck docked to my TV lots of times, so for me it's just as much a home console as a handheld PC.
Yeah, that's right. My Steam Deck is a also "home console".

Denying that the Switch is anything else than a hybrid is just autism in motion.

Actually autism is "its what the manufacturer says" and taking it like some fact in spite of evidence and repeating it again and again in spite of many real world examples of things being able to "dock" or otherwise interface with a TV and nobody having an issue seeing them as portable devices in the past. Screaming "BUT IT WAS CALLED A HYBRID BY NINTENDO SO THATS WHAT WE SHOULD CALL IT" (which is in essence the argument) is very autistic screeching.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Iphone is also not a console

It's more of a console than switch

 

[loktaiextatus]

such a system doesn't exist tho. as far as I am aware, every single Switch game works on the Lite and every single game works in handheld mode. that includes Ring Fit.
meanwhile there are DS games that don't work with the DSi that doesn't change the fact that it is a DS

edit: in fact, it is the other way around. there are modes and minigames and entire Switch titles that ONLY work when disconnected from the TV... so, great home console there lol

I think because the switch lite lacks IR some games do NOT work, and any games requiring you disconnect the joycons to strap to your limbs or use otherwise wont- but not because it isnt docked- but because those features were stripped off the lite.

 

[loktaiextatus]

It's more of a console than switch

Well I've seen some guys here say if I never remove my Iphone from the charger, and I cast it to the TV all the time instead of holding it- it becomes a hybrid. or even a full on console. Not sure.

 

[kevboard]

I think because the switch lite lacks IR some games do NOT work, and any games requiring you disconnect the joycons to strap to your limbs or use otherwise wont- but not because it isnt docked- but because those features were stripped off the lite.

the Switch also doesn't have IR. the joycons have.
you can connect joycons to a Switch Lite, and the IR sensor is on the Joycons.

every game works on the lite and in handheld mode as far as I am aware. a Switch Lite with 2 joycons taped to its side has the exact same gameplay related features as a normal Switch

 

[loktaiextatus]

the Switch also doesn't have IR. the joycons have.
you can connect joycons to a Switch Lite, and the IR sensor is on the Joycons.

every game works on the lite and in handheld mode. a Switch Lite with 2 joycons taped to its side has the exact same features as a normal Switch

Understood. Can you recommend a good brand of tape? I was thinking epoxy would probably work too. Some kind of deformed hellish fever dream is what I am going for here......

 

[kevboard]

Understood. Can you recommend a good brand of tape? I was thinking epoxy would probably work too. Some kind of deformed hellish fever dream is what I am going for here......

there can only be one!

...

but the point is, there is no gameplay relevant feature that the Switch Lite lacks. it is compatible with every single game, unless I am unaware of one that isn't.

Ring Fit works for sure.

 

[digital_ghost]

We got 3 fun xenoblade games while Playstation is chasing graphics and likely will only release 1 game from naughty dog for the whole console generation.

Id rather have fun creative switch 2 games than the best graphics. Theres a point where the game looks good but its not fun at all. Plus it takes nearly a decade to develop.

Don't care about the graphics in switch 2, it will have fun games. That's what matters.

 

[loktaiextatus]

We got 3 fun xenoblade games while Playstation is chasing graphics and likely will only release 1 game from naughty dog for the whole console generation.

Id rather have fun creative switch 2 games than the best graphics. Theres a point where the game looks good but its not fun at all. Plus it takes nearly a decade to develop.

Don't care about the graphics in switch 2, it will have fun games. That's what matters.

Dont get silly with this. Playstation does not lack fun games. Switch 2 would be so fortunate to get something as good as astrobot. Switch is plenty fun but dont try to knock down other games - Unless its XBOX which has terrible games. ............................................ kidding. You have to have games for them to be terrible..................... Kidding again. But yeah no for real lets hope for fun games all round.

 

[digital_ghost]

Dont get silly with this. Playstation does not lack fun games. Switch 2 would be so fortunate to get something as good as astrobot. Switch is plenty fun but dont try to knock down other games - Unless its XBOX which has terrible games. ............................................ kidding. You have to have games for them to be terrible..................... Kidding again. But yeah no for real lets hope for fun games all round.

21 playstation 5 exclusive games since launch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:playStation_5-only_games

Compared to

176 switch only games since launch

Category:Nintendo Switch-only games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Im not saying there is not good games for ps5. There is just far more games for switch .

 

[LordOcidax]

Dont get silly with this. Playstation does not lack fun games. Switch 2 would be so fortunate to get something as good as astrobot. Switch is plenty fun but dont try to knock down other games - Unless its XBOX which has terrible games. ............................................ kidding. You have to have games for them to be terrible..................... Kidding again. But yeah no for real lets hope for fun games all round.

 

[kevboard]

21 playstation 5 exclusive games since launch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:playStation_5-only_games

Versus

176 switch only games since launch

Category:Nintendo Switch-only games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Im not saying there is not good games for ps5. There is just far more games for switch .

Nintendo dodged a bullet by being 1.5 generations behind in terms of hardware power. no money wasted on making characters look like real life.
lower budgets, faster dev cycles, more focus on fun and not "filmic" bullshit.

 

[loktaiextatus]

21 playstation 5 exclusive games since launch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:playStation_5-only_games

Versus

176 switch only games since launch

Category:Nintendo Switch-only games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Im not saying there is not good games for ps5. There is just far more games for switch .

Youre making a critical mistake in your comparison. The switch is not on the same level as PC, PS5, XBSX .... Those consoles tend to have more games which are on more than one thing because
they are more comparable. Thats why switch has more such games.

If you want to name the top system selling switch games released 2021-2024 we can compare the PS5's library if thats how you want to go about it - but the way youre comparing it is weird. Also switch has been out over 3 years longer.... which is about twice as long. Part of what youre missing too is in the switch's lifetime the Playstation ecosystem saw a move from PS4- and the PS4 also has every PS4 exclusive game- and a lot of the games which are ONLY on PS4 and PS5 wont be in the lists youre looking at. Does this list have FF7 remake intergrade, death stranding 1, the list goes on. So many games that you can GET on PS5 which are not on switch and never will be. I am not knocking switch- I am just saying you're using some weird blinders.

 

[digital_ghost]

Nintendo dodged a bullet by being 1.5 generations behind in terms of hardware power. no money wasted on making characters look like real life.
lower budgets, faster dev cycles, more focus on fun and not "filmic" bullshit.

I agree with everything you said. And its why i love my switch and will get switch 2.

 

[loktaiextatus]

You've never played astrobot clearly. Its the kind of thing which would go over great on a nintendo console- and its fidelity, overall polish etc is A+. You're doing yourself no favors overlooking it .

 

[Woopah]

I get that the software they made used the features they knew the machine had- But though we did point out 3 games which are major examples no doubt- not to discount the high shipped number
of those 3 games of course but again- I must point out youre making a bit of a different argument they made those games knowing they would have that function available but switch sports does NOT require being docked, only removing the joycons and this also goes for Ring fit adventure.... I beleive super mario party you need two switches? I do know supposedly youre able to play it without a TV but I dont know if the two switch thing matters. Those games do not work on switch LITE but do not require a dock as far as I am aware.

It's not the dock that they require, it's the joycons. But if Nintendo had just designed a handheld console, then the joycons wouldn't exist as a core part of the product

If you're using the Switch Lite as a handheld, you can't play those three games. Super Mario Party does have some functionality that only works when you have two Switches laying down next to each other.

The joycons, the dock, the stand, the grip. The standard and OLED were products designed to be used in three different modes and the hardware and software reflects that.

If I could use a terrible car analogy, it would be like saying a hybrid car isn't a hybrid, it's just a petrol car with an electric motor.

 

[kevboard]

I agree with everything you said. And its why i love my switch and will get switch 2.

all I want is a new 3D Mario man... and fingers crossed it will be a launch title.
I could actually see Nintendo use raytracing for some whacky game mechanic, and I wanna see what they're cooking lol

 

[LordOcidax]

You've never played astrobot clearly. Its the kind of thing which would go over great on a nintendo console- and its fidelity, overall polish etc is A+. You're doing yourself no favors overlooking it .

I played it and completed it… The only thing i am going to say is that Astrobot is like Lies of P, both are great games and both are inspired in master pieces BTW, you have planty of Astrobot like games on Switch to enjoy.

 

[digital_ghost]

Youre making a critical mistake in your comparison. The switch is not on the same level as PC, PS5, XBSX .... Those consoles tend to have more games which are on more than one thing because
they are more comparable. Thats why switch has more such games.

If you want to name the top system selling switch games released 2021-2024 we can compare the PS5's library if thats how you want to go about it - but the way youre comparing it is weird. Also switch has been out over 3 years longer.... which is about twice as long. Part of what youre missing too is in the switch's lifetime the Playstation ecosystem saw a move from PS4- and the PS4 also has every PS4 exclusive game- and a lot of the games which are ONLY on PS4 and PS5 wont be in the lists youre looking at. Does this list have FF7 remake intergrade, death stranding 1, the list goes on. So many games that you can GET on PS5 which are not on switch and never will be. I am not knocking switch- I am just saying you're using some weird blinders.

Im not the only one saying where are the ps5 games. One of the largest playstation YouTubers is also saying the same thing i am. Where are the games. Mystic is that YouTuber.

But sure im weird for pointing out that a $800 plus dollar ps5 pro doesn't have alot of games.

Im not going to reply to you anymore as im getting no where..

By the way i love my playstation 5 , yet I've had far more fun with ps4 and switch.

Sorry for disturbing the Playstation worship. Carry on.

 

[kevboard]

I played it and completed it… The only thing i am going to say is that Astrobot is like Lies of P, both are great games and both are inspired in master pieces BTW, you have planty of Astrobot like games on Switch to enjoy.

yeah. Astro Bot being on the Switch would make it harder for the game I think.
on PS5 it basically has no real competition. it is far from the quality of Mario Odyssey for example. maybe it is closer to Kirby, but I feel like all those games would overshadow it purely due to their more recognisable IP

 

[LordOcidax]

yeah. Astro Bot being on the Switch would make it harder for the game I think.
on PS5 it basically has no real competition. it is far from the quality of Mario Odyssey for example. maybe it is closer to Kirby, but I feel like all those games would overshadow it purely due to their more recognisable IP

And that’s good for Mario, some people are discovering with Astrobot why Mario is so special.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

21 playstation 5 exclusive games since launch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:playStation_5-only_games

Versus

176 switch only games since launch

Category:Nintendo Switch-only games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Im not saying there is not good games for ps5. There is just far more games for switch .

Current gen games and features> Non Current gen games and features

Doesn't need to turn into a VS thread though.

 

[nordique]

Current gen games and features> Non Current gen games and features

Doesn't need to turn into a VS thread though.

So don’t make it into one by stating your opinion that is different from someone else’s. You could just say the second sentence. Some people prefer the switch exclusives (different tastes) and doesn’t detract from the point made about there being more exclusives for one vs the other.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

yeah. Astro Bot being on the Switch would make it harder for the game I think.
on PS5 it basically has no real competition. it is far from the quality of Mario Odyssey for example. maybe it is closer to Kirby, but I feel like all those games would overshadow it purely due to their more recognisable IP

We are getting ridiculous now
Asto Bot 2 is superior to Mario Odyssey.

 

[LordOcidax]

We are getting ridiculous now
Asto Bot 2 is superior to Mario Odyssey.

Only if you have never played Odyssey, and i love Astrobot… BTW Mario Galaxy 2 is better than both games.

 

[kevboard]

And that’s good for Mario, some people are discovering with Astrobot why Mario is so special.

the lack of player expression does become tyring towards the end and did make me wish the game had more depth for sure.
thankfully it isn't bloated enough to make it really bad. so the length of Astro Bot does work to its favor there I think.

although even so, I think there wasn't enough powerup variety in it, as that was the main attraction gameplay wise.

We are getting ridiculous now
Asto Bot 2 is superior to Mario Odyssey.

it's not even comparable. Astro Bot is babies first platformer with fun gimmicks. it is absolutely a decent game for a chill playthrough, and has a nostalgia bonus due to the guest cahracters and levels, but it has zero depth, no challenge and IMO lacks variety in powerups, which are the only gameplay elements that added some depth to the game.

 

[digital_ghost]

Current gen games and features> Non Current gen games and features

Doesn't need to turn into a VS thread though.

Sorry. I haven't taken my happy pills yet. Im insane without them.

Might get banned too.

Got to take my mental medication and relax.