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[SmokedMeat]

I wish there was no pendulum at all and all we had was just games that focus on being fun.

I agree, and I think for the most part that’s the goal of developers. But sometimes the smallest of things gets picked apart and amplified on the internet. I’ve seen it with both extremes.

I’m finding that stepping away from that makes the hobby more enjoyable for me. Hell, stepping away makes life more enjoyable too.

 

[ungalo]

I'm not sure i agree with "the message", although i hate the woke stuff and don't want to support it.

I want things to be as authentic as possible. Don't want mediocre studios (like the Lords of the Fallen guy, sorry but it's true) to see this as an opportunity to say "see ? i'm on your side" *wink wink*.

I want offensive games in all directions.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

It’s time to accept the fact that Eve from Stellar Blade is a strong female lead that don’t need no man! Feminism is alive and well . . .

 

[Topher]

Chuds vs Wokes needs to be a moba video game.

 

[rabbity-thing]

I'm not sure i agree with "the message", although i hate the woke stuff and don't want to support it.

I want things to be as authentic as possible. Don't want mediocre studios (like the Lords of the Fallen guy, sorry but it's true) to see this as an opportunity to say "see ? i'm on your side" *wink wink*.

I want offensive games in all directions.

I think the thing you're missing is that what many people consider woke is not inherently inauthentic. Some people are authentically woke and that's fine. Like, art be like that.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I only use Twitter/X nowadays



Thing is we're not even far-right, we never demand conservatives/nationalist games, we just want games the way they were, for example: masculine man or sexy/beautiful woman as protagonist..... none of these ugly gender-confused, gender-fluid, androgynous crap

Exactly. All we want is to see men being men again in video games and women being women.

If that makes us Nazis, it makes the other side retards.

 

[Decal4]

Going by wacky cinematic images, it really comes down to if you guys prefer an 80s mophead with a giant double chin or a Shaolin Monk drinking a slurpee. lol

I had to stop thread because it got so boring but I managed to get to this message which has left me leave this thread with a chuckle!

I also want to have some kind of crime caper game featuring an '80s mop-head with a giant double chin (poor Kay Vess wasn't THAT ugly was she??) and a Shaolin monk drinking a slurpee solving (or even better committing) crimes now! Throw in airwolf and KITT and it will be a great 80s revival.

 

[Moriarty1889]

Exactly. All we want is to see men being men again in video games and women being women.

If that makes us Nazis, it makes the other side retards.

This exactly. Being normal should never be associated with nazis……people who claim that are indeed the nazis themselves. Good to see some sanity being restored in the world. This whole woke movement is nothing but deranged people with sick twisted minds.

 

[ungalo]

I think the thing you're missing is that what many people consider woke is not inherently inauthentic. Some people are authentically woke and that's fine. Like, art be like that.

I'm not saying it is, quite the opposite. On the contrary i'm saying i don't want devs to say or do things just to cater to the audience noise, in both directions.

I'm just not buying the woke stuff, but i don't want to be vocal about it and make it looks like it's a forced call to the devs to stop making it if they want to make it. They can do whatever they want.

Now let's be real, the environments "these people" have created also suppress freedom and creativity (and the honest discourse that comes with it) in a lot of studios.

edit : and honestly i would feel very comfortable having plenty of explicitly woke games if they would really coexist with games like those we had back in the days at the other side of the spectrum

 

[MikeM]

So you're Pro Woke

I don’t have a dog in the fight. No one is forcing me to dress up as a woman. If people want to, then feel free. It has zero effect on my life.

If games want to push “woke” in ways that would break immersion, then I simply don’t buy.

 

[bundylove]

But i bet you judge a person for how they look like...

Cant comment on this since i dont see them anywhere i any trades industry or oil rigs etc. They dont pick real jobs if they dress freely. And i dont care for retail jobs or restaurants.

Once they show up with their blue hair doing real meaningful work then i can tell you how i feel about them.

 

[Stuart360]

She looks bad, no doubt about it, but she also looks like a unkept villager from the 1500's or something. A wash and a trim and she could pass as a woman. That thing from the ND game though, well i'm still expecting ND to annouce 'she' is an alien human hybrid or soemthing.

 

[TGO]

I don’t have a dog in the fight. No one is forcing me to dress up as a woman. If people want to, then feel free. It has zero effect on my life.

If games want to push “woke” in ways that would break immersion, then I simply don’t buy.

So you're anti woke.
Now you see my confusion..

But i bet you judge a person for how they look like...

Look who you're talking to..

 

[laynelane]

I think Ubisoft will be a huge wake-up call for a lot of companies.

I think so too. Definitely a cautionary tale that others are paying attention to.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Just because a game isn't woke doesn't mean it gets plaudits. A good game is a good game, a bad one is a bad one.

The thing about wokeness is that whether it causes games to be bad or not, the public's pattern recognition has kicked in.

Personally I think if a game is woke then several other considerations went into the development process before 'let's make a great game'. Some of these writers/devs are also hard left progressives who look to character assassinate fan favourites because they believe that is how they can subvert society. Another way is by making villians look virtuous. Suicide Squad is a textbook example, killing off Batman from the Arkham games amongst others and making villains into heroes.

Just look at Ubisoft, they had some very talented writers and devs, over time they've been replaced by inexperienced diversity hires. I read recently that something like 50% of the Assassin's Creed Shadows team have never developed a game to production before? The products speak for themselves.

 

[MikeM]

So you're anti woke.
Now you see my confusion..

Look who you're talking to..

I’m not complaining though. How am I anti-woke or pro woke? I just said it doesn’t affect me either way and I don’t care if someone identifies as a female or a cat.

I worry about things in life that legit matter, like if my kids will be able to afford housing when they are older.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Just because a game isn't woke doesn't mean it gets plaudits. A good game is a good game, a bad one is a bad one.

Exactly. We shouldn't treat a game like a masterpiece simply because it doesn't design female characters like male crossdressers.

Being an anti-woke game won't mean that it'll sell millions. It'll just mean it has less reasons to be boycotted or ignored.

Baldur's Gate III is woke in a lot of ways, but it is good enough to 'get a pass' from numerous anti-woke gamers. Due to its content, its overall quality, its writing, etc.

If Stellar Blade had shitty gameplay, horrible OST and glitchy combat, I doubt anyone would've bothered, sexy Eve or no.

But if Stellar Blade was the exact game it was, and Eve looked like that black lesbian from intergalactic, it would've half-flopped too.

We want. The whole. Package.

 

[The Pleasure]

We need more booty butt cheeks

 

[TGO]

I’m not complaining though. How am I anti-woke or pro woke? I just said it doesn’t affect me either way and I don’t care if someone identifies as a female or a cat.

I worry about things in life that legit matter, like if my kids will be able to afford housing when they are older.

So does everyone else, I know some can go overboard with on the internet
But

If games want to push “woke” in ways that would break immersion, then I simply don’t buy.

How do you think "woke" people see this
Not anti-woke?
They see as you complaining and tarnish you with the same brush.
There is no "I don’t have a dog in the fight" if you choose not to buy something because of it.
If you didn't care you would buy the stuff with woke stuff in them and enjoy them regardless.
Just like rofif

You're Anti-woke, but you're just not vocal about it, and that's okay

 

[MikeM]

So does everyone else, I know some can go overboard with on the internet
But

How do you think "woke" people see this
Not anti-woke?
They see as you complaining and tarnish you with the same brush.
There is no "I don’t have a dog in the fight" if you choose not to buy something because of it.
If you didn't care you would buy the stuff with woke stuff in them and enjoy them regardless.
Just like rofif

You're Anti-woke, but you're just not vocal about it, and that's okay

i don’t think so. You can have woke and anti-woke break immersion. It all depends on the game/situation.

Its like how people mod games so that the women are all phat ass and tits- kills immersion for me. Stellar Blade tho? Perfect- because it suits the game style.

Same can be said with an example from the woke/DEI side. Do I care if a side character is twin spirit/non-binary/identifies as a cat? No, so long as it is done right.

Im fine with both, just don’t make it take away from the material.

 

[laynelane]

DEI and woke culture in general is doomed to fail because it attempted to rewrite reality. They attempted to:

1) brainwash you into thinking that you do not need to look at beautiful people (you do)
2) brainwash you into thinking that women can do everything that men can and better (they can't - not *every* thing)
3) brainwash you into thinking that you should be ashamed for being white, male and straight (you shouldn't)
4) brainwash you into thinking that all people belonging to minority groups are always better and smarter than you and you are holding them back (they aren't *always* and you don't)
5) brainwash you into thinking that you are a horrible person for calling them out on their practices (you are not)
6) brainwash you into thinking that people getting hired based on skin color and sexuality has no effect on merit and quality (it has)

You can trick some people forever. You can trick all people for some time. But you cannot trick all people forever.

They can hide their work and their intentions all they like. They can hide SBI, black gamers inc. and whatnot - it doesn't matter. The moment you see a game having butt ugly women in it, the moment you see all white male characters being emasculated and lectured, the moment you see the protagonist being a butch black lesbian who looks like a dude ... you immediately know where this is going. You don't need to see an SBI logo to be sure.

Just. Trust. Your. Gut.

Well said. The way this has been approached in the gaming sector reminds me of what Larry Fink (CEO of Investment firm BlackRock) had to say about DEI back in 2017:

"Behaviors are gonna have to change and this is one thing were asking companies. You have to force behaviors, and at BlackRock we are forcing behaviors," the CEO said.

"You have to force behaviors. If you don't force behaviors, whether it's gender or race or just any way you want to say the composition of your team, you're going to be impacted. That not just recruiting, it's development," Fink said. "We're gonna have to force change."

However, despite getting many corporations on board, it turns out forcing behaviors doesn't work so well on customers and the overall populace. Aside from that, the utter arrogance of an investment firm trying to mold the beliefs, behavior, and even reality of millions of people is just appalling.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Pride before the fall.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If I wasn't so lazy today, I would do a meme.

This is how we imagine lesbians to look (obviously two hot porn girls)

This is how lesbians actually look like (her face and the Intergalactic baldie)

 

[DeafTourette]

Those games didn't bomb for 'DEI' reasons and those games weren't successful for their elimination of them.

None of those games mentioned(sans Helldivers) are the best selling games of the year(top ten in units or money).

Best selling video games of the year 2024
EA Sports College Football
Call of Duty: Black OPs 6
Helldivers 2
DragonBall Sparking Zero
Call Of Duty MW3
Madden NFL 25
EA Sports FC 25
EA Sports MVP Bundle
Elden Ring
Dragon's Dogma 2


Your usual suspects occupies most of the list and this of course excludes any Nintendo game because Nintendo does not release digital numbers.


Bolded doesn't even make sense either:
Marvel Rivals is working off traditional designs for heroes.
Meta saves money by nuking that part of them, it's also to cozy up to Trump, it has nothing to do with 'wokeness', it's business.
Same thing as Meta. Business (Neither Meta nor Amazon care about DEI or environemental protections to begin with anyway, but it was always good marketing, until it's not)
Ubisoft has a shit ton of problems, DEI is the very least of it. If you think Ubisoft were bad before, just wait until someone like EA get a hold of them, or private equity.
Meat to the gullible, which seems to be working.


It's still amazing to me that for all the shit the game industry has going on, Microtransactions up the wazoo, online requirements for single player games, shit working conditions for game devs and crunch, mass firings trying to squeeze out money for quarter results to look good, GAAS getting shoved constantly into our faces, and so much more, what people want to latch onto as the main culprit for enshitification in the games industry is.....'wokeness'. Just so fucking dumb to me.

Thank you!

 

[peek]

If you want a real answer, YES. There already is a shift in the making. The games industry is massive and it takes a while to correct course. But I expect the next few years to look a lot different.

(unti the pendulum swings back)

 

[Chittagong]

The fascinating thing is that most of these projects are a complete waste of money. There are so many examples and it keeps happening, lol.

It's so bizarre to me. But Blackrock is definitely a thing with funding this through ESG and ESG inherently brings in DEI. And now the West seems to be actively pushing back against it through elections. What a bizarre time in history.

MSN

 

[TGO]

anti-woke break immersion.

What immersion breaking anti-woke things have you seen in games...?

 

[simpatico]

We're still early in the pendulum swing. Give it two years. Investors are tired of losing their shirts for these freaks. They were reasonably assured that the market would catch up and start buying in. It did not, because the very concept that it would was flawed mentally ill gibberish.

 

[noob smokes]

This culture war shit has some of y'all terminally online.

Terminally ill more like

 

[TGO]

The biggest question is why after over 35years are the wokes at war with the Chuds

Spoiler

 

[Krathoon]

Now, Ubisoft better transfer their games to Steam if they go under or keep Ubisoft Connect alive somehow.

I assume they will sell themselves off to EA or something.

 

[Dacvak]

Threads like these are why I no longer recommend GAF to people looking for a good forum for game discussion. It’s embarrassing.

And don’t take this as me supporting one side or the other. I’m just tired of like a good 35% of the threads here always devolving to this shit. At this point it’s rote and exhausting.

Anyway, to the ignore list it goes. Don’t take offense to my position, please.

 

[Dutchy]

average gaf chud:

 

[Krathoon]

Really, I always liked Ubisoft. They are that weird French company.

 

[MikeM]

What immersion breaking anti-woke things have you seen in games...?

COD is easily the worst right now for me.

 

[Topher]

average gaf chud:

 

[Dutchy]

 

[TGO]

COD is easily the worst right now for me.

Call of Duty is Anti Woke?

 

[MikeM]

Call of Duty is Anti Woke?

Wtf makes a game anti-woke? I’m so confused lol Dudes crushing rainbows?

 

[Krathoon]

I never really liked the name chud. It is more derogatory and heavy handed than woke.

It is like calling someone a retard.

 

[bundylove]

Funny you say this.
Was watching some show or movie dont know anymore and there wordings and topics in there that still had some massive woke shit and blm in it.
I was like what the hell these topics are dead by now then i realized that yeah they were filming back then and only now it got released.
So yeah it will be still here for a tiny bit

Keep in mind that dev takes many years now days so you will see games with this sort of material coming out for couple more yea

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Cuckman will push his game as is because thats who he is. His ego is way overdue for a commercial failure, so i hope he keeps it as is and it gets concorded

 

[TGO]

Wtf makes a game anti-woke? I’m so confused lol Dudes crushing rainbows?

I said

What immersion breaking anti-woke things have you seen in games...?

Because you said

and anti-woke break immersion.

In which you replied

COD is easily the worst right now for me.

So I'm just as confused as you

 

[Pinstripe]

Imagine taking unironically pride in being a "Chud".

This celebration of being stupid truly is an exclusively right-wing phenomenon.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I’m not down with the bullshit culture war but I’m happy to see shitty overly woke games flop.

 

[adamsapple]

Who the heck is gonna come to bat for that, realistically lol.

 

[Topher]

Who the heck is gonna come to bat for that, realistically lol.

I was expecting a flood of "average woke" purple hair pics in response. GAF failed me

 

[poodaddy]

MSN

 

[kiphalfton]

Why do people like OP post dustborn to legitimize their point. The game wasn't on anybody's radar, and was going to probably suck one way or another.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

"Do game developers still not get the message?"

Well... they've moved onto the new buzzword of the political season: 'gooner'. Let's see how that strategy turns out.