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Circana (formerly NPD) February 2023: PS5 #1 in Units and Dollars, Switch #2, and Xbox #3 in Units

Sanepar

Member
That Welfare is sipping some serious cope on REE and IBF about the Series hardware sales. Saying the low sales is only because there is no stock of Series X in US!

But I look on eBay in the UK for example, and Series X are going for way under MSRP. PS5's second-hand are actually going for close to MSRP. So I believe that is mirrored in the US and shows a quite stark difference in demand.

Estimates for Feb:

PS5 - 575k
Switch - 330K
Series - 240K
Welfare is a Xbox fanboy that always have the perfect excuse why Xbox is not selling well in US. You can find Xbox hw everywhere but he is always ready with a new bs
 

Sanepar

Member
So they get to win simply because of money, politics and corruption? And people expect quality games from that publisher? that's not how it works. That's not how it works for everything really. The usual outcome of such "success" is mediocrity.
If they win like that quality will never be a priority for them. They could buy whole industry to make PS Studios an island. I think they prefer to do that than offer great AAA SP games. They are really resistant to big budget SP games and IMO wants to force the whole audience on what their audience love: COOP, MP and GAAS.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
Switch normally goes beast mode. Although considering switch sales are dwindling this year, will have to say if that is the case this December.

With the PS5 set to have a historically high holiday and the Switch likely historically low, I'd be surprised if this is the case. There would have to be a limitation on PS5 supply, which I can't see happening either.
 

Kvally

Member
Starfield is a new IP, its also heavily dependant on reviews and possible bugs... the userbase possibly shitting on it, etc. And its playable on PC. I don't think it will really move systems to be honest.
PC doesn't have impact on the millions of gamers who game on consoles. If MS can get their Series X inventory figured out, I would suspect that Redfall (current gen only), Forza Motorsport 8 (current gen only), Starfield (current gen only), AoE 4, Minecraft Legends are going to draw console sales for console gamers. A stark contrast from 2022 when Xbox had inventory, moved consoles, and had zero AAA games.
 

Fake

Member
That's literally his job.

Not true. His part of the job is to make Playstation users the best class and his is terrible at this. People forget the part where the consumer came first than money, but hey, Sony fanboys are happy when Sony is making profit, instead of Sony being consumer friendly.

Now, for making Sony lucrative his doing a hell of job.
 

Nothing1234

Banned
Not true. His part of the job is to make Playstation users the best class and his is terrible at this. People forget the part where the consumer came first than money, but hey, Sony fanboys are happy when Sony is making profit, instead of Sony being consumer friendly.

Now, for making Sony lucrative his doing a hell of job.
Games will always come first.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Exclusives matter now?

I though series s + gamepass was the killer combo, isn't that what some of you where championing for months?

Getting outsold almost 2:1 on home turf in the biggest month is a disaster, no amount of propaganda posts is changing that. Saying "it looks to have worked" is staggering really.

What are you talking about? Whoever said software doesn't matter...for a games console?

What Are You Talking About Harrison Ford GIF by Star Wars
 

Fake

Member
There is no difference the games are still good

You are not paying attention. Never said anything about the quality of the games, but in priorisy money instead.
I not even mention his quotes from media over Activision aquisition, driving fanboys into console war.

But again, if you missed out the PS4 era is useless to compare.
 
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Fake

Member
Sony and Nintendo have a track record going back decades of delivering games, that allows them to get away with "anti consumer" practices.

You forget Microsoft. None of them are saint. There are feels consumer pro moves in the PS4 era, but I sure you remember.
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
I think this is when sony cut the price of that slim model down to either $150 or $99.
Not yet - Feb 2005 was right after introduction of 7000 series. It was inflated because Sony botched the production and they had a really supply constrained holiday quarter(the lone time when Xbox won 1-2 months in NPD) - which led to 2005 Q1 that also set PS2 record as a whole (not just Feb).
Sort of analogous to PS5 this year, flood-gates finally opened on supply.
 

Unknown?

Member
You are not paying attention. Never said anything about the quality of the games, but in priorisy money instead.
I not even mention his quotes from media over Activision aquisition, driving fanboys into console war.

But again, if you missed out the PS4 era is useless to compare.
They prioritized money more in the PS4 era. That's why studios were shut down instead of acquired. Andrew House played it as safe as safe can be.
 

Fake

Member
They prioritized money more in the PS4 era. That's why studios were shut down instead of acquired. Andrew House played it as safe as safe can be.

Never more than games I quite sure. Again, PS4 era. Different times.
I'm talking about game consoles.

You that bring companies to the table. You can't bring Nintendo to the argument, call for monopoly and forget to mention Microsoft.

Now both Microsoft and Sony are fightning each other of who make more aquisitions.
 

Luigi Mario

Member
That Welfare is sipping some serious cope on REE and IBF about the Series hardware sales. Saying the low sales is only because there is no stock of Series X in US!

But I look on eBay in the UK for example, and Series X are going for way under MSRP. PS5's second-hand are actually going for close to MSRP. So I believe that is mirrored in the US and shows a quite stark difference in demand.

Estimates for Feb:

PS5 - 575k
Switch - 330K
Series - 240K
This were his estimates before the record numbers were revealed by Piscatella. He had to quickly edit his post afterwards.

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Nothing1234

Banned
Never more than games I quite sure. Again, PS4 era. Different times.


You that bring companies to the table. You can't bring Nintendo to the argument, call for monopoly and forget to mention Microsoft.

Now both Microsoft and Sony are fightning each other of who make more aquisitions.
Show me where I called for monopoly?
 

Fake

Member
Show me where I called for monopoly?

that allows them to get away with "anti consumer" practices.

Unless I understand wrong and monopoly don't constitute 'anti consumer' practices. I mean, the role Windows scenario is both anti consumer and monopoly.
But you're talking about consoles right? I mean, DRM Xbox is a thing.
 
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Nothing1234

Banned
Unless I understand wrong and monopoly don't constitute 'anti consumer' practices. I mean, the role Windows scenario is both anti consumer and monopoly.
But you're talking about consoles right? I mean, DRM Xbox is a thing.
I mean $70 games, no back compat, not putting their games on a subscription day 1 etc.
 
This were his estimates before the record numbers were revealed by Piscatella. He had to quickly edit hist post after that.
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It's maddening he does these estimates and every time his PS5 numbers are lower than what transpires and his Series figures are higher. funny that. He's only off by the best part of 100K for the PS5 figure... 🙄

In fact someone tallied his estimates to what is leaked eventually and his Xbox numbers on average are 5-10% higher and PS5 5-10% lower or something can't recall the exact figures!

He's meant to be a sales guru but has this obvious ingrained bias that influences his estimates.
 
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Mr.Phoenix

Member
I completely disagree here. We can't compare Sony and MS when it comes to hardware choices.

Sony were coming off the back of ps4 and have a massive mindshare in public opinion and internally within the wider Sony business.

Microsoft made the best play they could, they offered an excellent mid budget option with the series S which has paid off in droves compared to if they had only the series x.

Microsoft did what they thought would be the best for them and it looks to have worked, if they had the software out put this would all be a completely different conversation. Those sales of the console and subscribers to game pass would be much larger if they had the software output to go with the other 2 key pillers. I think that is glaringly obvious.

They just were not ready software wise or even with direct x 12. They dropped the ball there while their hardware and services team were on point.
MAybe I am just crazy, but I look at MS hardware strategy differently. And as such, believe they dropped the ball on both hardware and software.

On the hardware front, I believe their need to claim the title of being the most powerful console precluded bad choices on their part. First, making an APU that they couldn't obtain volume at an acceptable cost. Second, I believe they intended to have a 20GB RAM console, but costs forced them to go for a convoluted version of 16GB. And setting a path of this, make a low volume super console paired with a high volume very cheap console, so we can claim both titles of most powerful and cheapest ultimately is doing more harm for them than good.

And as for the software, well that one is more obvious. They have had ample time to get their ducks in a row on that front. Surely, they knew they had lost the previous gen as far back as 2016. If they were still fixing on making a push for it with the current gen, they should have started working on the one area that they were clearly the weakest since back then.

But I think their single biggest fuckup so far is with their investment choices. Eg, lets say it cost them $550 to make each XSX. If they make sure their supply was in order, and sold them for $399. Taking around a $150 hit on each console, selling 20M of those consoles would have amounted to a $3B write-off. Imagine what a $400 XSX would have done. But further more, if they had taken another $6B, and used that to buy off 6 months to 1-year exclusive deals on every major third-party release over the past two years while also investing heavily in a portfolio of first-party games, they would be ina very different position right now.

But somehow, they deem it smart to spend upwards of $60B on one publisher. I mean, that tells me they could even have taken $6B hardware hit and sod the XSX at $299. Would have been a much cheaper way to kill of the competition.
 

Dolodolo

Member
Unless I understand wrong and monopoly don't constitute 'anti consumer' practices. I mean, the role Windows scenario is both anti consumer and monopoly.
But you're talking about consoles right? I mean, DRM Xbox is a thing.
Dude, consoles are bought to play games.
I don't give a fuck what kind of interviews Jim Ryan does or Phil Spencer does.
People don't give a damn if the game they really want costs $70 because they'll buy it anyway.
It's all about games, and it's an Xbox problem that with so many studios, they can't fucking shit one big-budget AAA in a year and a half.
 

ulantan

Member
You are not paying attention. Never said anything about the quality of the games, but in priorisy money instead.
I not even mention his quotes from media over Activision aquisition, driving fanboys into console war.

But again, if you missed out the PS4 era is useless to compare.
What did he say to the media?
 

ulantan

Member
Jin party? About how bad Activision aquicsition will be bad for the gamers? Will increase the price of games? Sabotage the PS5 version?
That's his job, just like Phil his job isn't to help his competition. Do you actually believe do actually believe that any other playstation executive would be helping in go through?
 

Fake

Member
That's his job, just like Phil his job isn't to help his competition. Do you actually believe do actually believe that any other playstation executive would be helping in go through?

I don't remember fueling fanboys as a party of a job.

How does that affect Spider Man 2?

How do I know? That is what Sony lawyers said about the aquisition. You guys can find more about this documentation on the internet. I guess Digital Foundry made a video about.
 

ulantan

Member
I don't remember fueling fanboys as a party of a job.



How do I know? That is what Sony lawyers said about the aquisition. You guys can find more about this documentation on the internet. I guess Digital Foundry made a video about.
Jim doesn't talk to the press the activison quotes come from Microsoft and activison lawyers. How is Jim going to the media provoking fan boys?
 
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Fake

Member
Phil doesn't talk to the press the activison quotes come from Microsoft and activison lawyers. How is Jim going to the media provoking fan boys?

No, no. The Sony lawyers saying how bad the activision would become if Microsoft buy.
They speak for Sony dude, same as Jin. IDK, by leaking the fucking documentation?
 

Fake

Member
They didn't, the CMA made it public. Again, their job to.


Yeah. We all see good in every people. Probably not bad of intentions for leak this documentation for sure.
I don't recall previous acquisitions having this level of conversation, but here we go I guess.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Yeah. We all see good in every people. Probably not bad of intentions for leak this documentation for sure.
I don't recall previous acquisitions having this level of conversation, but here we go I guess.
This is the largest videogame acquisition in history that will change the shape of the industry. It is also one of the largest acquisitions outside of videogames. It is going to get attention.
 

ulantan

Member
Yeah. We all see good in every people. Probably not bad of intentions for leak this documentation for sure.
I don't recall previous acquisitions having this level of conversation, but here we go I guess.
Because they were never challenged by the uk or eu or the ftc its the law for these proceedings to be presented to the public
 

Fake

Member
This is the largest videogame acquisition in history that will change the shape of the industry. It is also one of the largest acquisitions outside of videogames. It is going to get attention.

I talking about the lawyers behavior. I know this acquisition is huge.
 

Robbinhood

Banned
So they get to win simply because of money, politics and corruption? And people expect quality games from that publisher? that's not how it works. That's not how it works for everything really. The usual outcome of such "success" is mediocrity.
I'd argue most really successful people/politicians win through those means.

Regarding gaming, if you secure the biggest third party games through buying the competition, you are going to guarantee yourself a minimum level of success.
 

bxrz

Member
They've literally had multiple timed exclusives with just PlayStation within the last year or two.

Fallout 4 best selling platform was PS4.
1. I was talking about the main Bethesda studio. Todd Howard's games.

2. There is no actual proof of the best selling platform for Fallout 4 being PS4. Stop saying it unless it comes with proof. 3rd person that has said that now and shown no proof to back it up.
 

Mr.Phoenix

Member
I'd argue most really successful people/politicians win through those means.

Regarding gaming, if you secure the biggest third party games through buying the competition, you are going to guarantee yourself a minimum level of success.
You can polish a turd and even gold plate it, but its still gonna be a turd.

MS has been in this industry for over 20 years now. ANd that's just looking at only the console business. As a publisher, they have been in this games/software thing even before sony.

Can you think of a single thing MS has done considering their history in its entirety that fills you with confidence?

  • It took them over 3 decades to even make official windows first-party hardware while looking across Apple and watching them build their own bread and butter on that.
  • they made the first mobile OS, but yet managed to shit the bed and allow apple and google take that market from them.
  • They own windows, and yet managed to allow a third party to become the biggest gaming store front in the world on their own platform. They can't even get their own general-purpose software store right on windows.
  • They had bungie, who was making the single biggest FPS game on the market (Halo), and yet somehow let that slip, lose out to COD and are now trying to spend $60B for it.
  • After 2 decades in the console space, they still cant figure out that games sell hardware... evident in the fact that they have not released a 10M unit selling game in almost 10 years and came into this generation with a strategy of buying out content instead of making their own which should indicate how short-sighted they are.
I could go on...

So no, really successful people and politicians do NOT win by those means. They won on merit. They could however employ those means when having nefarious goals. You know, like killing off competition so they wouldn't have to innovate? Can you call it winning if you won by creating an environment where you are winning by default?
 
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