Sanepar
Member
Welfare is a Xbox fanboy that always have the perfect excuse why Xbox is not selling well in US. You can find Xbox hw everywhere but he is always ready with a new bs
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Circana (formerly NPD) February 2023: PS5 #1 in Units and Dollars, Switch #2, and Xbox #3 in Units
Sanepar
Member
If they win like that quality will never be a priority for them. They could buy whole industry to make PS Studios an island. I think they prefer to do that than offer great AAA SP games. They are really resistant to big budget SP games and IMO wants to force the whole audience on what their audience love: COOP, MP and GAAS.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
With the PS5 set to have a historically high holiday and the Switch likely historically low, I'd be surprised if this is the case. There would have to be a limitation on PS5 supply, which I can't see happening either.
Kvally
Member
PC doesn't have impact on the millions of gamers who game on consoles. If MS can get their Series X inventory figured out, I would suspect that Redfall (current gen only), Forza Motorsport 8 (current gen only), Starfield (current gen only), AoE 4, Minecraft Legends are going to draw console sales for console gamers. A stark contrast from 2022 when Xbox had inventory, moved consoles, and had zero AAA games.
TheGodfather07
Member
I expect starfield to give a good boost due to all the Bethesda fans on PS who will buy an xbox to play the game.
Fake
Member
Not true. His part of the job is to make Playstation users the best class and his is terrible at this. People forget the part where the consumer came first than money, but hey, Sony fanboys are happy when Sony is making profit, instead of Sony being consumer friendly.
Now, for making Sony lucrative his doing a hell of job.
Nothing1234
Banned
Games will always come first.
Fake
Member
Before Jin Ryan, not always. Unless you missed out the PS4 era.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
ulantan
Member
There is no difference the games are still good
Fake
Member
You are not paying attention. Never said anything about the quality of the games, but in priorisy money instead.
I not even mention his quotes from media over Activision aquisition, driving fanboys into console war.
But again, if you missed out the PS4 era is useless to compare.
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Nothing1234
Banned
Sony and Nintendo have a track record going back decades of delivering games, that allows them to get away with "anti consumer" practices.
Fake
Member
You forget Microsoft. None of them are saint. There are feels consumer pro moves in the PS4 era, but I sure you remember.
Nothing1234
Banned
Microsoft don't have the same cache as the other two.
Not yet - Feb 2005 was right after introduction of 7000 series. It was inflated because Sony botched the production and they had a really supply constrained holiday quarter(the lone time when Xbox won 1-2 months in NPD) - which led to 2005 Q1 that also set PS2 record as a whole (not just Feb).
Sort of analogous to PS5 this year, flood-gates finally opened on supply.
Fake
Member
And still one of the most anti consumer companies of the planet.
Remember netscape vs IE? Windows monopoly? Nokia?
Probably not.
Nothing1234
Banned
I'm talking about game consoles.
Unknown?
Member
They prioritized money more in the PS4 era. That's why studios were shut down instead of acquired. Andrew House played it as safe as safe can be.
Fake
Member
Never more than games I quite sure. Again, PS4 era. Different times.
You that bring companies to the table. You can't bring Nintendo to the argument, call for monopoly and forget to mention Microsoft.
Now both Microsoft and Sony are fightning each other of who make more aquisitions.
Luigi Mario
Member
This were his estimates before the record numbers were revealed by Piscatella. He had to quickly edit his post afterwards.
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Nothing1234
Banned
Show me where I called for monopoly?
Fake
Member
Unless I understand wrong and monopoly don't constitute 'anti consumer' practices. I mean, the role Windows scenario is both anti consumer and monopoly.
But you're talking about consoles right? I mean, DRM Xbox is a thing.
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Nothing1234
Banned
I mean $70 games, no back compat, not putting their games on a subscription day 1 etc.
Fake
Member
Yep. All things after PS4 era. You really do remember.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This were his estimates before the record numbers were revealed by Piscatella. He had to quickly edit hist post after that.
It's maddening he does these estimates and every time his PS5 numbers are lower than what transpires and his Series figures are higher. funny that. He's only off by the best part of 100K for the PS5 figure...
In fact someone tallied his estimates to what is leaked eventually and his Xbox numbers on average are 5-10% higher and PS5 5-10% lower or something can't recall the exact figures!
He's meant to be a sales guru but has this obvious ingrained bias that influences his estimates.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
MAybe I am just crazy, but I look at MS hardware strategy differently. And as such, believe they dropped the ball on both hardware and software.
On the hardware front, I believe their need to claim the title of being the most powerful console precluded bad choices on their part. First, making an APU that they couldn't obtain volume at an acceptable cost. Second, I believe they intended to have a 20GB RAM console, but costs forced them to go for a convoluted version of 16GB. And setting a path of this, make a low volume super console paired with a high volume very cheap console, so we can claim both titles of most powerful and cheapest ultimately is doing more harm for them than good.
And as for the software, well that one is more obvious. They have had ample time to get their ducks in a row on that front. Surely, they knew they had lost the previous gen as far back as 2016. If they were still fixing on making a push for it with the current gen, they should have started working on the one area that they were clearly the weakest since back then.
But I think their single biggest fuckup so far is with their investment choices. Eg, lets say it cost them $550 to make each XSX. If they make sure their supply was in order, and sold them for $399. Taking around a $150 hit on each console, selling 20M of those consoles would have amounted to a $3B write-off. Imagine what a $400 XSX would have done. But further more, if they had taken another $6B, and used that to buy off 6 months to 1-year exclusive deals on every major third-party release over the past two years while also investing heavily in a portfolio of first-party games, they would be ina very different position right now.
But somehow, they deem it smart to spend upwards of $60B on one publisher. I mean, that tells me they could even have taken $6B hardware hit and sod the XSX at $299. Would have been a much cheaper way to kill of the competition.
Dude, consoles are bought to play games.
I don't give a fuck what kind of interviews Jim Ryan does or Phil Spencer does.
People don't give a damn if the game they really want costs $70 because they'll buy it anyway.
It's all about games, and it's an Xbox problem that with so many studios, they can't fucking shit one big-budget AAA in a year and a half.
ulantan
Member
What did he say to the media?
Luigi Mario
Member
That says it all.
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Fake
Member
Jin party? About how bad Activision aquicsition will be bad for the gamers? Will increase the price of games? Sabotage the PS5 version?
ulantan
Member
That's his job, just like Phil his job isn't to help his competition. Do you actually believe do actually believe that any other playstation executive would be helping in go through?
Nothing1234
Banned
How does that affect Spider Man 2?
Fake
Member
I don't remember fueling fanboys as a party of a job.
How do I know? That is what Sony lawyers said about the aquisition. You guys can find more about this documentation on the internet. I guess Digital Foundry made a video about.
Nothing1234
Banned
People care about GAMES.
ulantan
Member
Jim doesn't talk to the press the activison quotes come from Microsoft and activison lawyers. How is Jim going to the media provoking fan boys?
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Definitely a month when console sales do not matter. Oh well.
Fake
Member
No, no. The Sony lawyers saying how bad the activision would become if Microsoft buy.
They speak for Sony dude, same as Jin. IDK, by leaking the fucking documentation?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's their job to. The same would happen if the companies were swapped.
ulantan
Member
That is there job
Fake
Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They didn't, the CMA made it public. Again, their job to.
ulantan
Member
They didn't
Fake
Member
Yeah. We all see good in every people. Probably not bad of intentions for leak this documentation for sure.
I don't recall previous acquisitions having this level of conversation, but here we go I guess.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is the largest videogame acquisition in history that will change the shape of the industry. It is also one of the largest acquisitions outside of videogames. It is going to get attention.
ulantan
Member
Because they were never challenged by the uk or eu or the ftc its the law for these proceedings to be presented to the public
Fake
Member
I talking about the lawyers behavior. I know this acquisition is huge.
Robbinhood
Banned
I'd argue most really successful people/politicians win through those means.
Regarding gaming, if you secure the biggest third party games through buying the competition, you are going to guarantee yourself a minimum level of success.
ulantan
Member
Once again why do you think they should help Microsoft?
bxrz
Member
1. I was talking about the main Bethesda studio. Todd Howard's games.
2. There is no actual proof of the best selling platform for Fallout 4 being PS4. Stop saying it unless it comes with proof. 3rd person that has said that now and shown no proof to back it up.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
You can polish a turd and even gold plate it, but its still gonna be a turd.
MS has been in this industry for over 20 years now. ANd that's just looking at only the console business. As a publisher, they have been in this games/software thing even before sony.
Can you think of a single thing MS has done considering their history in its entirety that fills you with confidence?
- It took them over 3 decades to even make official windows first-party hardware while looking across Apple and watching them build their own bread and butter on that.
- they made the first mobile OS, but yet managed to shit the bed and allow apple and google take that market from them.
- They own windows, and yet managed to allow a third party to become the biggest gaming store front in the world on their own platform. They can't even get their own general-purpose software store right on windows.
- They had bungie, who was making the single biggest FPS game on the market (Halo), and yet somehow let that slip, lose out to COD and are now trying to spend $60B for it.
- After 2 decades in the console space, they still cant figure out that games sell hardware... evident in the fact that they have not released a 10M unit selling game in almost 10 years and came into this generation with a strategy of buying out content instead of making their own which should indicate how short-sighted they are.
So no, really successful people and politicians do NOT win by those means. They won on merit. They could however employ those means when having nefarious goals. You know, like killing off competition so they wouldn't have to innovate? Can you call it winning if you won by creating an environment where you are winning by default?
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