Mr Moose
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You're lying... (or wrong and didn't notice it, I will assume you didn't read it fully).
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[Circana] May 2024: 1# Ghost of Tsushima, 2# Paper Mairo TYD, 3# Helldivers 2, #8 Shadow of Erdtree; PS5 #1, 2#NSW , 3# XSX
Oh fair, I actually didn't, I remember reading on Install Base they only report from full game sales
Mr Moose
Member
I believe the vast majority of Nintendo full game sales are physical (which thankfully is a good thing, fuck digital future). The carts are tasty too.
I could be wrong, which would make me sad. I don't really like digital unless I have to get that (cheaper/only option).
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Mr Moose
Member
I don't. 4th best selling game this month.
US only, seems nothing happened.
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GHG
Member
When one forgets why Sea of Thieves is ranked that high after all these years....or how MS just completed the ABK acquisition recently.... its a lil disingenuous.
If some ppl are worried about the industry...stop cheerleading acquisitions. And dont forget that SoT is now on PlayStation.
Yeah...some ppl bitched about something that was supposed to happen at launch and the devs put on hold. Every mention of a PSN account was there from day one.
And that caused others users that didnt even care to now be affected when Sony pulled it from regions without official PSN support.
It was really a non issue that blew up for no reason and some users got caught in the cross fire. What really blew my mind is some ppl with industry insight/knowledge basically agreeing with the internet mob and throwing all context out the window.
It was "Sony doesnt do cross play"all over again.
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Klayzer
Member
PS ecosystem makes money for partners. No, not everything is successful, but they have more hits than failures, I would guess.
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drganon
Member
He's too much of a coward.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Sea of Thieves being on PlayStation doesn't help Capcom employees put food on the table... Not sure why you think it being on PlayStation makes a difference.
And yeah, big consolidation is bad for developers.
Mr Moose
Member
Wait I am confused, number 8 is Elden Ring?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Ok well then show where there was massive push back against Ghost of Tsushima requiring a PSN account for multiplayer. There wasn't, beyond the steam deck incompatibility, because it was known way up front. The Helldivers 2 PSN requirement got backlash, specifically because it happened after a PSN account wasn't required to play for a decent amount of time so left players stranded.
Mr Moose
Member
Helldivers II always required PSN from the start, people just didn't read.
GHG
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
GHG
Member
Because if you read the replies there are people saying it won't sell and that they will pirate it out of "principle" even though they can legitimately purchase it.
So much for that.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
GHG
Member
Too many to count. Seriously, take a gander.
This isn't from someone insignificant either, he has almost a million followers on Twitter and nearly 4 million subscribers on YouTube.
GHG
Member
Try having a look at the comments/replies to what I posted.
There was also plenty of discussion on the Steam forums themselves.
Ghost of Tsushima DIRECTOR'S CUT :: Steam Community
Ghost of Tsushima DIRECTOR'S CUT :: Steam Community
Ghost of Tsushima DIRECTOR'S CUT :: Steam Community
Or are you going to tell me the people responding to those videos/tweets/discussions in agreement are not real people?
I guess the people who purchased it just to leave negative reviews over this aren't real either:
“Sony is to blame”: Ghost of Tsushima suffers review bombing on Steam over recent controversy | LevelUp
The launch of Sucker Punch's title was a success despite the criticism
www.levelup.com
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
A handful of people isn't exactly a movement, you could get a handful of people, just on this forum, that don't like any given thing about gaming. Even in that level up article they included a "game keeps crashing" review as part of the 'review bombing'.Try having a look at the comments/replies to what I posted.
There was also plenty of discussion on the Steam forums themselves.
Ghost of Tsushima DIRECTOR'S CUT :: Steam Community
steamcommunity.com
Ghost of Tsushima DIRECTOR'S CUT :: Steam Community
Ghost of Tsushima DIRECTOR'S CUT :: Steam Community
Or are you going to tell me the people responding to those videos/tweets/discussions in agreement are not real people?
I guess the people who purchased it just to leave negative reviews over this aren't real either:
“Sony is to blame”: Ghost of Tsushima suffers review bombing on Steam over recent controversy | LevelUp
The launch of Sucker Punch's title was a success despite the criticism
GHG
Member
You're trying too hard. It's clear that at the time the review bombing was very much predominantly because of the account linking:
‘Ghost Of Tsushima’ Is Already Flooded With Negative Reviews On Steam [Updated]
Sony has poisoned the waters with Helldivers 2's PSN debacle.
www.forbes.com
You're going to find negative reviews for performance with every game in existence on Steam, that's just the nature of the beast with PC gaming, even with games that don't have any underlying issues.
When you have coordinated review bombing taking place to such an extent that steam needs to flag the review section for it due to the reviews being "off-topic" then it's very much a "movement".
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Klayzer
Member
You're trying too hard. It's clear that at the time the review bombing was very much predominantly because of the account linking:
‘Ghost Of Tsushima’ Is Already Flooded With Negative Reviews On Steam [Updated]
Sony has poisoned the waters with Helldivers 2's PSN debacle.
You're going to find negative reviews for performance with every game in existence on Steam, that's just the nature of the beast with PC gaming, even with games that don't have any underlying issues.
When you have coordinated review bombing taking place to such an extent that steam needs to flag the review section for it due to the reviews being "off-topic" then it's very much a "movement".
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Katatonic
Member
Only after he was asked. This was marketed as the next marquee release after Starfield. Looking out for MS by omission.
LavitzSlambert
Member
So Paper Mario took the overall #1 spot if we include Nintendo's unreported digital sales. That makes me so happy, hopefully Nintendo takes note and we can get some new traditional Paper Mario games in the future.
Spitfire098
Member
So many great games. People must be running out to buy xboxes in preparation for all these games.
Nvm these are may results. Will save this for june npd.
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yazenov
Gold Member
He was going to weasel his way out of it but it seems alot of people asked him the same question on X so he was forced to cough it up.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
greatest wrestling promo everWhen you have Helldivers II at number 4 & Stellar Blade at number 10 you take that 4 & divide it by 10 you get 0.4 which is better than number 1 so Hellblade II was the best selling game of May it's simple math.
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Varteras
Member
Woopah
Member
If they counted digital SPM numbers would be double what they are.
Mr Moose
is correct. The digital sales share in Nintendo’s reports is about the % of software revenue coming from digital sources. It's not packaged vs. downloaded.In Japan, a game like TTYD gets around a 30% digital ratio, so that's a rough ballpark of whst the ratio could be in the US.
So he's allowed to to say that Xbox Series is in third in units for the month, third in units for the year and is tracking 13% behind Xbox One.
He's also allowed to share three different chart positions for Hellblade 2, but only if he gets asked about it on social media.
If he's supposed to be defending Xbox, he's doing a terrible job.
The reality is that there is no conspiracy here.
Woopah
Member
You're thinking of the software units that Nintendo reports. That's the figure which doesn't include digital only titles.
jm89
Member
You mean sonys strategy of releasing 2 years after is working out great, and day one is unnecessary for there big first party games as pc gamers will buy it anyway.
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Varteras
Member
Exactly. Even if one day it happens, situations like this won't be why. When Sony can release a 4-year old game on PC and it tops sales charts that month, but a brand new Xbox game barely cracks Top 40 on two platforms in the only region the console even remotely sells in.
That's not an indication that Sony's strategy needs to change. I'd say it's the opposite. Because you're either enticing people to buy the console to get these games Day 1, or they're just gonna wait and gobble it up anyways. It's a win/win for Sony.
It also has the effect of keeping an older game in the overall mindshare of the gaming community longer. Again, this is a 4-year old PlayStation game that is now making sales headlines for topping charts. Now imagine a sequel gets announced any time within the next 12 months.
Even further, it has the additional effect of keeping PlayStation Studios in the headlines for good reasons. Only further increasing the perceived prestige of that group.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Eh, just wait for its inevitable inclusion to the PS Plus free monthly games.
Markio128
Gold Member
I wonder if the PS5 Pro version will add gameplay?
Daniel_Mallorca1985
Member
Woopah
Member
What about all the other questions he answered, was he "forced" into sharing these answers too?
I thought we were talking about how 7 of the games on the list were from from specific platform holders?
That overlooks why SoT is on there. And why ABK games are now not considered 3rd party. Might as well add Minecraft too.
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Luminoth-4545
Member
IB estimates May 2024 est.
PS5: 230k
NSW: 130k
XBS: 110k
May 2023 for comparison
NSW: 450k
PS5: 270k
XBS: 160k
PS5 only 15% down from last May and Xbox slightly up for units over April, this means Switch had a massive decline from the estimated 450k it sold last May (boosted by huge Zelda: TotK launch).
Estimations for 2024
| Month | PS5 | XBS | NSW |
|---|---|---|---|
| January | 425,000 | 210,000 | 250,000 |
| February | 410,000 | 195,000 | 220,000 |
| March | 525,000 | 205,000 | 235,000 |
| April | 250,000 | 105,000 | 140,000 |
| May | 230,000 | 110,000 | 130,000 |
| Total | 1,840,000 | 825,000 | 975,000 |
| Lifetime | 20,520,000 | 14,375,000 | 45,155,000 |
Full Estimations for 2023
| Month | PS5 | XBS | NSW |
|---|---|---|---|
| January | 430,000 | 200,000 | 280,000 |
| February | 560,000 | 240,000 | 290,000 |
| March | 660,000 | 280,000 | 340,000 |
| April | 340,000 | 170,000 | 420,000 |
| May | 270,000 | 160,000 | 450,000 |
| June | 430,000 | 240,000 | 350,000 |
| July | 270,000 | 160,000 | 240,000 |
| August | 400,000 | 210,000 | 200,000 |
| September | 480,000 | 300,000 | 200,000 |
| October | 360,000 | 200,000 | 210,000 |
| November | 1,050,000 | 580,000 | 560,000 |
| December | 1,520,000 | 1,110,000 | 1,230,000 |
| Total | 6,780,000 | 3,850,000 | 4,770,000 |
| Lifetime | 18,680,000 | 13,550,000 | 44,180,000 |
1995 to 2022 is official NPD data, 2023 and 2024 are estimations from IB. * 2024 numbers are as of May.
Current Platforms
| Year | PS5 | PS5 Total | XBS | XBS Total | NSW | NSW Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024* | 1,840,000 | 20,520,000 | 820,000 | 14,370,000 | 970,000 | 45,150,000 |
| 2023 | 6,780,000 | 18,680,000 | 3,850,000 | 13,550,000 | 4,770,000 | 44,180,000 |
| 2022 | 5,660,000 | 11,900,000 | 4,480,000 | 9,700,000 | 5,830,000 | 39,410,000 |
| 2021 | 4,280,000 | 6,240,000 | 3,730,000 | 5,220,000 | 7,610,000 | 33,580,000 |
| 2020 | 1,960,000 | 1,960,000 | 1,490,000 | 1,490,000 | 8,980,000 | 25,970,000 |
| 2019 | - | - | 6,480,000 | 16,990,000 | ||
| 2018 | - | - | 5,640,000 | 10,510,000 | ||
| 2017 | - | - | 4,870,000 | 4,870,000 |
Legacy Platforms
| Year | PS4 - 34,760,000 | XBO - 29,000,000 | Wii U - 5,510,000 | 3DS - 23,390,000 | PSV - 2,440,000 |
| 2022 | 50,000 | - | - | - | - |
| 2021 | 600,000 | 10,000 | - | - | - |
| 2020 | 2,000,000 | 1,460,000 | - | 200,000 | - |
| 2019 | 3,830,000 | 3,040,000 | - | 560,000 | - |
| 2018 | 5,290,000 | 4,360,000 | - | 1,470,000 | - |
| 2017 | 5,420,000 | 4,280,000 | - | 2,180,000 | - |
| 2016 | 5,100,000 | 4,730,000 | 510,000 | 2,490,000 | 60,000 |
| 2015 | 5,720,000 | 4,930,000 | 1,340,0000 | 2,400,000 | 280,000 |
| 2014 | 4,680,000 | 4,370,000 | 1,560,000 | 2,570,000 | 320,000 |
| 2013 | 2,000,000 | 1,820,000 | 1,210,000 | 3,810,000 | 500,000 |
| 2012 | - | - | 890,000 | 3,630,000 | 1,280,000 |
| 2011 | - | - | - | 4,080,000 | - |
| Year | PS3 - 26,870,000 | X360 - 43,220,000 | Wii - 41,780,000 | DS - 53,530,000 | PSP - 19,990,000 |
| 2017 | 10,000 | 20,000 | - | - | - |
| 2016 | 190,000 | 250,000 | - | - | - |
| 2015 | 360,000 | 570,000 | 40,000 | - | - |
| 2014 | 750,000 | 1,330,000 | 240,000 | 10,000 | 20,000 |
| 2013 | 2,180,000 | 3,070,000 | 810,000 | 520,000 | 130,000 |
| 2012 | 3,410,000 | 5,300,000 | 1,960,000 | 1,980,000 | 240,000 |
| 2011 | 4,520,000 | 7,280,000 | 4,530,000 | 3,840,000 | 1,120,000 |
| 2010 | 4,330,000 | 6,760,000 | 7,070,000 | 8,580,000 | 1,660,000 |
| 2009 | 4,330,000 | 4,770,000 | 9,590,000 | 11,190,000 | 2,490,000 |
| 2008 | 3,540,000 | 4,740,000 | 10,170,000 | 9,950,000 | 3,820,000 |
| 2007 | 2,560,000 | 4,620,000 | 6,290,000 | 8,430,000 | 3,830,000 |
| 2006 | 690,000 | 3,900,000 | 1,080,000 | 5,320,000 | 3,050,000 |
| 2005 | - | 610,000 | - | 2,580,000 | 3,630,000 |
| 2004 | - | - | - | 1,230,000 | - |
| Year | PS2 - 46,340,000 | Xbox - 14,500,000 | GCN - 11,810,000 | DC - 4,010,000 | GBA - 35,700,000 |
| 2012 | 50,000 | - | - | - | - |
| 2011 | 290,000 | - | - | - | - |
| 2010 | 750,000 | - | - | - | - |
| 2009 | 1,800,000 | - | - | - | - |
| 2008 | 2,500,000 | - | - | - | 420,000 |
| 2007 | 3,940,000 | - | 10,000 | - | 1,120,000 |
| 2006 | 4,840,000 | 400,000 | 1,120,000 | - | 3,240,000 |
| 2005 | 5,510,000 | 2,420,000 | 1,560,000 | - | 4,370,000 |
| 2004 | 4,680,000 | 4,010,000 | 2,290,0000 | - | 7,080,000 |
| 2003 | 6,310,000 | 3,100,000 | 3,270,000 | - | 7,780,000 |
| 2002 | 8,390,000 | 3,170,000 | 2,260,000 | 1,250,000 | 6,940,000 |
| 2001 | 6,180,000 | 1,400,000 | 1,210,000 | 1,280,000 | 4,750,000 |
| 2000 | 1,100,000 | - | - | 1,480,000 | - |
| 1999 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Year | PS1 - 30,180,000 | N64 - 17,990,000 | Saturn - 1,360,000 | GBC - 17,270,000 |
| 2005 | 40,000 | - | - | - |
| 2004 | 710,000 | - | - | - |
| 2003 | 1,150,000 | 10,000 | - | - |
| 2002 | 2,200,000 | 150,000 | - | 60,000 |
| 2001 | 2,240,000 | 1,160,000 | - | 2,950,000 |
| 2000 | 3,230,000 | 2,530,000 | - | 6,820,000 |
| 1999 | 5,850,000 | 3,540,000 | - | 6,450,000 |
| 1998 | 7,110,000 | 4,140,000 | 50,000 | 990,000 |
| 1997 | 5,050,000 | 4,490,000 | 240,000 | - |
| 1996 | 1,990,000 | 1,970,000 | 780,000 | - |
| 1995 | 600,000 | - | 290,000 | - |
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
You are looking at the data in front of you all wrong.
What this looks like is that Sony can keep re-releasing 2+ year old games on the PC since they sell, keep releasing their GAAS titles on the PC day one... and stay as far from any strategy MS adopted because look at what its doing for the Xbox games and platform.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Totally forgot that those Zelda TotK NSW OLEDs sold like hot cakes last year!
That said, thanks for the estimations and also for the aggregate NPD data per platform.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
It's not about their platforms, but about their share of the revenue, which allows them to then buy developers and publishers and close them when they see fit.
It's bad for the industry. The more consolidation, the fewer risks, the more generic games will become.
graywolf323
Member
eh just ignore him, he has an agenda which he’s then trying to twist things to fit the narrative he wants to push
demigod
Member
The MOST overhyped game of this generation by Xbox themselves and fanboys. You gonna tell me it’s not worth mentioning where it stood in the Circana reports?
In Japan, a game like TTYD gets around a 30% digital ratio, so that's a rough ballpark of whst the ratio could be in the US.
So he's allowed to to say that Xbox Series is in third in units for the month, third in units for the year and is tracking 13% behind Xbox One.
He's also allowed to share three different chart positions for Hellblade 2, but only if he gets asked about it on social media.
If he's supposed to be defending Xbox, he's doing a terrible job.
The reality is that there is no conspiracy here.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
adamsapple
told us it was much better game than The Order and metacritic is high so it must be amazing and selling out everywhereI wonder if he came to this conclusion while he was pressing up on the analog stick on a beach with voices screaming at him while his controls were constantly interrupted
Masterpiece
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Perhaps they have a little brother that wears a rubber helmet and he feels empathy for you? Jesus, can no one want to help the mentally challenged?
If you’re not slow then I apologize, as I was told by my wife it’s the correct thing to do on the interwebs.
Edit: I cannot believe I have to say this, but apparently you have to say you’re only joking now days.
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