Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I think Switch has got May in the bag (units) but doesn't April count the first 2 days of TotK's OLED Switch sales (also are pre-orders made whenever lumped into the first day of the OLED's release)?
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Circana (NPD) April 2023: #1 Jedi Survivor 4 #2 Dead Island 2 #7 PGA Tour #8 Battle Netowrk; NSW #1 Units, PS5 #1 Revenue
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I think Switch has got May in the bag (units) but doesn't April count the first 2 days of TotK's OLED Switch sales (also are pre-orders made whenever lumped into the first day of the OLED's release)?
Woopah
Member
Yes it does, I was just pointing out that the Zelda effect is not only limited to this month.
They mention the top performer in units and revenue. Since that is usually PS5 or Switch, those are the ones mentioned. Xbox would get mentioned if it came first in any of those categories.
Vroadstar
Member
Did Xbox just dissappear from the NDP chart?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Did Xbox just dissappear from the NDP chart?
Looking at the revenue figures and the placing, Xbox Series had a really bad month again. Despite both PS5 and Switch gaining yoy, Series dragged the total market down yoy.
Alan Wake
Member
Shortages of games, yep.
yazenov
Gold Member
I mean, what other platforms are there that are relevant now with the exception of the Xbox Series? This is a sales tracker, they shouldn't be careful not to hurt MS's feelings and mention the decline was due to Xbox Series specifically. The "other" platforms (assuming PS4 and Xbox one) are basically negligible now.
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Woopah
Member
Right, they are talking about Xbox Series, Xbox One and PS4.
They aren't doing it "not to hurt MS' feelings". When PS5 alone was driving hardware increases, they didn't mention Switch by name either.
Edit: In October 2022 they said: "Double-digit percentage dollar sales growth for both PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series consoles was offset by declines on other platforms"
There's not some hidden agenda at the company to protect Microsoft.
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John Wick
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Super Mario Movie
John Wick
Member
Could it not also be The Super Mario Bros movie? Parents could be buying their kids Switches after watching it?
Woopah
Member
Yes that definitely played a part (and we can see some Mario games entering the chart). But the data we got from Amazon showed the Zelda OLED being huge, so that was probably the primary factor.
yazenov
Gold Member
So they are trying to protect the 3rd placed company? Its not the feeling Business. Just report the facts.
Again the other consoles are negligible. Its a 3 console race at this point. I don't see any reason not to mention the consoles specifically when they are in a decline.
Woopah
Member
They are reporting facts. They are telling us which platforms are growing and how that impacts overall hardware spending in the market.
They use "other platforms" rather than writing out "Switch, PS4 and Xbox One" or "Xbox Series, Switch, PS4 and Xbox One". It's simpler to write that rather than listing all the different consoles they track.
MasterCornholio
Member
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Its obvious switch will also take May but June onwards should be back to ps5 running the show.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So is MS.I'm kind of happy we don't have any numbers after seeing that.
Thirty7ven
Banned
The facts are being reported, they are just keeping things positive they aren’t in the “console war” business.
Xbox is down, PS5 and Switch are up enough to offset.
If anything I would like software to be more explained more in-depth, as there is a decline but we don’t know where from. Considering everyone is trying to understand how GP affects business it would be lovely to see how much it’s down on Xbox.
yazenov
Gold Member
My point is that PS4 and Xbox One are basically a blip in the radar and aren't even worth mentioning since their decline won't contribute to the overall numbers given how irrelevant they are.
Saying a decline was due to "others" is a misdirection to not mention the Switch / PS5 / Xbox Series specifically if they were in a decline in the hope of not getting on the bad side of the 3 big consoles manufacturers. Probably.
Just say want you mean bro.
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yazenov
Gold Member
Mentioning a decline in Xbox Series S sales is not console Wars business when they are reporting facts. They don't need to hide that fact behind "others", especially when the other consoles are a non-factor.
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X-Wing
Member
Tears of the Kingdom release date was near.
To be fair it only takes seconds to type them other names this is clearly about not shining a light on the company that's not doing so good.
Pent up, demand March burnt through it and caught up to ps4 in the us, every country that provides numbers has seen a substantial month over month drop for ps5, expect solid ps5 performance for the rest of the year since a 30% drop from record breaking is still excellent
but I think the record breaking is over, and I bet sony is going to end up lowering their forecast to about 22 million
Ms needs to do something , they're clearly on Shaker ground with the xsx, maybe they'll try a 360 and launch next gen early, all they'd have to do is rebrand a pro style device, but boy that'd be desperate
Spitfire098
Member
Nice to see xbox doing great numbers as usual.
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Woopah
Member
It's not a misdirection, it's the truth. That's the way they write things and has been for a long time, using the term "other platforms" rather than listing them all out.
For example, this is what they said about software in Jan 2019:
“Double-digit percentage software sales growth on the Nintendo Switch platform was offset by declines across all other platforms.”
Do you think that he avoided mentioning PS4, Xbox One and 3DS by name because he wanted to avoid getting on the bad side of Sony, Microsift and Nintendo?
The reports always focus on the leading platforms. When the PS5 was the only console growing, they didn't mention either Switch nor Xbox Series by name. It wasn't to avoid shining a light on Nintendo and Microsoft.
Same with their hardware units and revenue ranking. They name who comes first in the official report, not who comes third or fourth.
Daneel Elijah
Member
This would kill them. A new gen with PS5 as the main platform would see this next gen Xbox as useless. And they would still have the same problem they have now: the games are not ready. They were not ready for 2020. And now they have a showcase to prove us that they do have the games now. A new gen, when this one have yet to begun? This would really be weird. They would gain a lot by being early for next gen. But that would need a lot of sacrifices. I hope that they do this, as this would push third parties to make next gen games a little earlier than if they do not try it. But this is for in a few years.
The Xbox sales are weak, but not that weak. This is not a Wii U situation. They can continue to a 50 millions consoles sold by the end of the gen, and more than that if they do succeed in their plan of 1 AAA game each quarter. But this would be if nothing else happen.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
If the PS5 has maxed out already in year 3 then they need to focus on releasing big exclusives fast. FF16 and Spiderman 2 are a good start, but I suspect they will need a lot more of those system sellers next year if they have already hit their peak sales. especially since they are fast approaching 50 million sales and will have to reduce prices to go after the price conscious gamer soon.
I have to imagine that a $299 slim the month spiderman comes out is going to break records all over again. Thats that casual game for Sony that will bring the kids and the soccer moms. the hardcore have already bought in by now.
Deerock71
Member
Yeah, Zelda might make the Switch the king of sales for a (jaw-dropping) 7 years running. People will look back on this like they will (love him or hate him) look at Tom Brady's career and HAVE to concede GOATness.
I think we need to give it a bit more than one month of data to assess that - it seems like every NPD thread people want to do the XKCD extrapolation.
But really - when PS2 set the previously held March (and Q1) record - that was also not followed by a record April.
Woopah
Member
Switch sells very well but it hasn't been the best selling for 7 years straight, various other platforms have outsold it at different times.
Which would be the companies that are not doing so good
Luigi Mario
Member
Maybe the Switch successsor will launch later than expected, we will have to see if they are going to ride out the next year.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
What are you talking about? None of this is the current situation. You asked why Switch led in hardware units and several people brought up the Zelda OLED Switch model launching in April as a reason why. People getting ready for TotK in the following month is probably also a factor. It happens; anyone thinking Switch was never going to lead in units sold this year in scattershot/select months was being foolish.
But taking PS5 being #2 in units for April as a sign they've already peaked in sales or they need to dash to focusing on exclusives almost out of desperation is an equally foolish conclusion. Consoles that have 7-8 year lifecycles generally don't hit their peaks until around 2/3 of the way through the lifecycle. Clearly, we are not at that point yet for PS5 (or Xbox Series, for that matter). They (Sony) have had record-breaking sales after a price increase; there is little to no reason for a price cut until I'd say Fall 2024.
I also think you're too focused on Sony wanting to simply break records; a $299 Spiderman 2 PS5 Slim bundle would break records, sure, but just for a specific period of time. And, at the expense of losing money on the hardware and leaving a lot of revenue on the table. It's a bad strategy for the long-term health of the platform; a Spiderman 2 bundle with the current prices would be enough to have the same record-breaking hardware sales and without bleeding on hardware revenue at that.
Would not expect price cuts or any bundles like the one you mentioned until 2024/2025 (a price cut first, but probably by $50 not $100).
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Astray
Member
Now we know why a certain gaming CEO took to crying in a podcast interview.
Captain Toad
Banned
Idk. It's super impressive, but getting there just means they strung the generation out as long as possible. The console is already in its 7th year.
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Daneel Elijah
Member
It could be worse. There is rumors that Microsoft wanted to end the Xbox division at some point. And for all of their advantages Microsoft, or more precisely their culture is also part of the problem. A new CEO could be worse than Phil. A lot worse. We will see.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
King of hardware sales? Nintendo did their forecast the other week for the fiscal year iirc it was only 15m and half the sales nerds doubt they'll sell that.
Very good numbers for a 7th year or whatever that forecast would be.
I think Sony forecast 25m although similarly I may have pulled that number out of my barse.
Deerock71
Member
Oh, yeah, the Switch is the dark horse to bet on for sure this year, and to be clear, there is not a hint of sarcasm in this sentence. In order to make it happen, Nintendo would have to do some maneuvering; a killer app like Tears of the Kingdom is definitely one of those measures.
Luminoth-4545
Member
That game could benefit the most from the movie, Mario Odyssey at over 25 million is already very high but 3D World at 11.4 million has a lot of room to grow on Switch.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
"shortages"
Amazon.com: Xbox Series X : Everything Else
Amazon.com: Xbox Series X : Everything Else
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Woopah
Member
Not necessarily. When Switch is in 2nd or 3rd it doesn't get mentioned, but that doesn't mean its "not doing good"
Its not an approach meant to protect any particular company. If PS5 had comes 2nd in units and revenue that would not have been mentioned in the official release either.
I don't expect Switch 2 to launch this year, but Switch will still sell less than PS5 this year outside of East Asia.
Luigi Mario
Member
Just corrected my post before you replied, but definitely agree with the Switch successor not launching this year.
lughnasadh123
Member
Really happy to see Jedi doing well. Fallen order was a shockingly fun surprise and the sequel seems to really improve on a lot of aspects.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
eBay UK has a shit load of people selling them way under MSRP as another example.
Yeh it's clearly not shortages, which has not been the reason since the turn of the year.
Even before that, Xbox Series started losing steam markedly in October when sales were lower than anticipated, Xbox One at the 1st half of its life used to sell decent the Holiday months.