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[MMaRsu]

The problem is that none of those things are really true anymore. Price to performance has diminished significantly since the 7th gen and discs require mandatory installs + patches to make them playable

Something you don't have to do anything for, except place them in your console.

The ease of use is still very much there.

The only people upset by Sony putting their games on PC are fanboys.

What. Why would PC users/fanboys be mad they are getting more games??

This makes zero sense. There is noone on PC who is upset Sony is putting games on their platform, lol.

 

[Spiral1407]

Something you don't have to do anything for, except place them in your console.

The ease of use is still very much there.

That also applies to steam then. You just press the download button...

 

[MMaRsu]

That also applies to steam then. You just press the download button...

I own both a PC and a PS5, I know how downloading works.

People just dont want to buy a pc, set up windows, download drivers, install Steam, make an account.

Its not the same, which is why people still buy consoles.

 

[Aguero9320]

The hardware is all essentially the same, as evidenced by the major “battles” in the “war” this time being over exclusives, Game Pass, file size and controllers. The further you step back from the argument the more you realize how ridiculous it is, and how it’s boxing the market in and preventing growth.

The amount of people prepared to buy specific hardware for specific games is a) not enough to support blockbuster games and b) starting to shrink.

The war will be truly over when everyone realises it’s stupid. (Including Nintendo).

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What. Why would PC users/fanboys be mad they are getting more games??

This makes zero sense. There is noone on PC who is upset Sony is putting games on their platform, lol.

Try re-reading it, it might make more sense.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Porting consoles games is direction of killing console. Microsoft went that direction years ago and just become basicaly 3rd party publisher and made Xbox irrelevant. For them as they have Gamepass and Windows is probably good direction but for Sony and Nintendo is like becoming next Sega.

 

[Spiral1407]

I own both a PC and a PS5, I know how downloading works.

People just dont want to buy a pc, set up windows, download drivers, install Steam, make an account.

Its not the same, which is why people still buy consoles.

You're moving the goalposts here

 

[El Muerto]

That kills all innovation in hardware

Hardware hasnt really been all that innovative recently. Last gen both the PS4 and Xbone had the same APU. Same as this gen, both the PS5 and Series X have the same APU, but the Series X is overclocked. They still play the same games and the same framerate.

 

[UnrealEck]

People just dont want to buy a pc, set up windows, download drivers, install Steam, make an account.

What's surprising to me is that more and more people are dipping into PC's for playing games. It's surprising because in this day and age of TikTok and YT shorts, so many people have the attention span of a 9 year old with ADHD, high on sugar and sitting in school.

 

[Fafalada]

Eh. The high end is like a middle aged person with money buying a Gibson guitar when they barely started learning to play. The xx90 series is for making games, and some FOMO-obsessed people only buy them to play games.

Nice one But really my main point was that people have been crying about lack of big-budget PC exclusives that also push the high-end hardware for the last 20 years.

That said, the hardware standard set by a console at launch is overcome on PC within 18 months. My 2022 laptop with a 3060 inside easily outperforms the PS5. The target moves quick.

Yes hw moves quick (though slower than it used to) - but actual market is years behind the hw curve.
As a developer you then have a choice to leave 'most' of the money on the table by ignoring the market that hasn't upgraded to those 'targets' - or stay with the lower-end and be 'held back'.
Even in 00s - majority of PC was usually about 4 years behind consoles (eg. in 2009 we still had to target single-core spec as that was 80% of the userbase). Nowadays the tail is even longer as mobile became viable (and to be fair - Switch stretched that tail for consoles as well).
Admittedly cross-gen has been longer for the 'big' consoles too - so the tail has grown everywhere, but just goes to the point that 'high end gaming' is less interesting as a commercial target than it's ever been in history.

Though perhaps slower hw-progression is counter acting some of that as high-end is not so far away as it used to be as well.

 

[reinking]

I do believe exclusives have their place. I am good with an exclusive window and bringing games to other platforms at a later date. I believe that is healthy for the market. However, we are not owed anything. There are games exclusive to PC and phones too. Should companies be forced to make console ports?

 

[rodrigolfp]

make an account.

A PSN/Nintendo/Live account is automatically made when you buy a console??? Impressive.

 

[ReBurn]

Surprisingly or unsurprisingly not a single mention of Nintendo

That's what we have you for.

 

[Hohenheim]

Agree 100% with OP.

 

[existensmaximum]

It's an opinion one can have but I don't agree - to me it's totally retarded. You're welcome.

 

[Alexios]

Can't wait for the day Sony bots call Nintendo anti consumer for being successful enough to not put its games on other platforms (folks were acting like they're putting mainline Mario on mobile and going 3rd party cos they can't compete any more when they announced doing more on mobile, lol).

 

[Three]

Hardware hasnt really been all that innovative recently. Last gen both the PS4 and Xbone had the same APU. Same as this gen, both the PS5 and Series X have the same APU, but the Series X is overclocked. They still play the same games and the same framerate.

And this has mostly lead to features like gyro aiming, VR feature differences, and other hardware/controller differences being ignored in multiplatform releases. Hardware is more than an APU.

 

[MMaRsu]

What's surprising to me is that more and more people are dipping into PC's for playing games. It's surprising because in this day and age of TikTok and YT shorts, so many people have the attention span of a 9 year old with ADHD, high on sugar and sitting in school.

Well if you want to stream or be like streamer X you're usually gonna need a pc

 

[BennyBlanco]

Sony porting games to PC legitimately ruined people’s lives such as Bryank75 and thicc_girls_are_teh_best .

 

[Sept Terrion Of Nothing]

For me it's good: Won't double dip. Not buying from PS store. Only buy from Steam on a later date (don't care the waiting). Better graphical options. No need to put up with MJ's new face (thanks mod community). Free online.

For Sony it's bad: No need to buy PS console in the future. No buy from PS store again. Lost 27 years of hardcore PS fan (I'm sure Sony is crying to lose me).

I think it is win for me really I can now solely focus on PC side financially.

Editto: Calculated ex-PS fandom wrongly, fixed.

 

[Fess]

For me it's good: Won't double dip. Not buying from PS store. Only buy from Steam on a later date (don't care the waiting). Better graphical options. No need to put up with MJ's new face (thanks mod community). Free online.

For Sony it's bad: No need to buy PS console in the future. No buy from PS store again. Lost 27 years of hardcore PS fan (I'm sure Sony is crying to lose me).

I think it is win for me really I can now solely focus on PC side financially.

Editto: Calculated ex-PS fandom wrongly, fixed.

Yeah I’ve left both Xbox and PlayStation for Steam. The cost on PC is pure insanity (RTX 5090 goes for €3000 lulz) but I only have one platform for both Xbox and PS gaming plus 3rd party multiplats and can use mods and play on handheld and VR with the same purchase.

 

[Ebrietas]

Nintendo consoles don’t have everything. PS consoles don’t have everything. Mobile doesn’t have everything. Not sure why PC needs to have everything “for the good of the world”. Sorry PCMR but there is nothing special about your platform.

 

[ArtHands]

I own both a PC and a PS5, I know how downloading works.

People just dont want to buy a pc, set up windows, download drivers, install Steam, make an account.

Its not the same, which is why people still buy consoles.

You do need to do these on consoles too. Create PSN account, update console, update games etc. In fact you also need to update controller which isn't on PC.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

You do need to do these on consoles too. Create PSN account, update console, update games etc. In fact you also need to update controller which isn't on PC.

All true.
The one thing that still exists though, is that you have someone to complain to when the game you buy doesn't run. This is the main benefit now on consoles, that you don't need to do your own troubleshooting.

You might be able to refund on Steam, but that hardly is a good alternative to having the game working properly. The Console takes care of you, that is still true. Even the Parity Clause that people are so mad about concerning Series S is just the side effect of Xbox trying to protect the rights of Xbox Series S customers.

 

[ArtHands]

Nintendo consoles don’t have everything. PS consoles don’t have everything. Mobile doesn’t have everything. Not sure why PC needs to have everything “for the good of the world”. Sorry PCMR but there is nothing special about your platform.

People said that for years and now we have Sony & Microsoft bringing their 1st party games over.

Let’s not start putting consoles and PC on the same level now.

 

[Pandawan]

XBOX showed what happens to a console when all of its games becomes avaiable on PC. The same will happen to Playstation if they will continue down this path. You are delusional if you think less competition is a good thing.

If Playstation will continue to realease all their new games on PC more and more players will choose PC over PS. PS6 sales will strruggle. As a result of low sales Sony will be forced to focus even more on PC, so they will get rid of this 1 year gap between PS and PC release. And after that Playstation will become completely irrelevant as XBOX now. And when this happens, when all competition to PC is gone you will truly enjoy what it means to never own your games because consoles will go extinct and PC games were digital only for decades.

Sony can't sit on two chairs. It is either they support their console with exlusives and their console thrive or they will slowly transition to beign a PC games publisher. You can't be both because one contradicts another.

 

[geary]

I don't like it because it defeats the purpose of owning a console.

The purpose of owning a console is to have a hardware where you can play games...shocking for some of you..

 

[MMaRsu]

XBOX showed what happens to a console when all of its games becomes avaiable on PC.

Nope. Xbox is dying because everybody is buying a ps5. Xbox fucked up badly last gen with their drm.bullshit and it still.has repercussions into today. It has zero to do with their games being on pc


But I assume you as a console man wouldnt know that. And assume things. Your entire post sounds like you know nothing of the gaming industry.

 

[Madserb2023]

I agree with the sentiment, but consoles are just PCs at this point without the flexibility. However, If in the future console like PCs become more popular. Basically a smaller PC that you put under the TV with a Steam OS, then that will put an end to consoles. As much as people want to kid themselves, exclusives are the reason why people buy consoles. Microsoft is going to find this out when the next Xbox sells Sega Saturn numbers.

 

[BlackTron]

Eh. The high end is like a middle aged person with money buying a Gibson guitar when they barely started learning to play. The xx90 series is for making games, and some FOMO-obsessed people only buy them to play games.

Meh. I don't need one of those cards personally but it's not as if they do not have any legitimate game-running application. Using a card like 4090 would allow you to drive high resolutions, framerates and effects all at the same time, without having to choose. As it stands, while running in high settings with ray tracing many games still can't maintain very high framerates even with a 4090. So there is a real reason for enthusiast gamers to want these cards, and for better ones. You can call it a poor value if you want, but not with unneeded power for running games...if we had enough power in an affordable graphics card everyone would buy 4k desk monitors overnight but most people hover around 1440p for a reason. And that is why the 50 series dissapoints many, relying very much on MFG instead of real power gains...

 

[freemandos]

If the game is well made for the plataform there's any problem about having a port. A Playstation game was already designed with the console hardware and audience in mind first, so a ps4/5 user doesn't lose anything just because being ported later on pc.

 

[DenchDeckard]

PC Master Race: Porting console games to PC is good for everyone.

Also PC Master Race: don't release multipleplat games on consoles, the weak ass specs only hold the game's potential back on PC.

There are loonies on all platforms. I dont see any of my pc friends saying what you say on point 2. All PC users ask for is good ports with solid extra tweaks for PC enthusiasts to go to town with.

 

[ahtlas7]

Someone tell that to Nintendo. They be like

 

[rodrigolfp]

Nintendo consoles don’t have everything. PS consoles don’t have everything. Mobile doesn’t have everything. Not sure why PC needs to have everything “for the good of the world”. Sorry PCMR but there is nothing special about your platform.

Definitive versions of games. And it is so special that even provides hardware and software for potato consoles to exist.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

I see a ton of value in products that are born from the innovation focusing on a single platform allows.
I can also see the benefits for the other side of that coin, but for me I just don't see much innovation coming out of multiplatform titles.

It could also be that the multiplatform nature of the releases is the innovation...but how many of those day and date multiplatform games benefit from spreading the title over all said platforms?

Thinking of a few:
BG3 - I have played it on PC and on Consoles...far superior on PC...but does that matter (probably not the vast majority of players).
COD - This lives and breathes on multiplatform releases but do the new games benefit from that or are they victims of it? (Have not played in years).
Sports games - I have very litter exposure to these so I don't know...but they all seem multi-platform d&d anyway.

 

[HogIsland]

I see a ton of value in products that are born from the innovation focusing on a single platform allows.
I can also see the benefits for the other side of that coin, but for me I just don't see much innovation coming out of multiplatform titles.

It could also be that the multiplatform nature of the releases is the innovation...but how many of those day and date multiplatform games benefit from spreading the title over all said platforms?

Thinking of a few:
BG3 - I have played it on PC and on Consoles...far superior on PC...but does that matter (probably not the vast majority of players).
COD - This lives and breathes on multiplatform releases but do the new games benefit from that or are they victims of it? (Have not played in years).
Sports games - I have very litter exposure to these so I don't know...but they all seem multi-platform d&d anyway.

as if the AMD chip in the sony box has different innovation potential from the AMD chip in the microsoft box. as if the creative ideas in a game like The Last of Us have any connection to the box it's running on.

is god of war ragnarok on pc less innovative than the ps4 version? does the ps4 version become less innovative retroactively?

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

as if the AMD chip in the sony box has different innovation potential from the AMD chip in the microsoft box. as if the creative ideas in a game like The Last of Us have any connection to the box it's running on.

is god of war ragnarok on pc less innovative than the ps4 version? does the ps4 version become less innovative retroactively?

No…but the ps5 version loads faster than my complete CHAD of a pc rig.

That’s a hardware innovation in Sonys corner. The Xbox rapid resume feature was/is a great innovation imo, both might not amount to much in the views of most folks, but innovations nonetheless.

 

[Ebrietas]

I agree with the sentiment, but consoles are just PCs at this point without the flexibility. However, If in the future console like PCs become more popular. Basically a smaller PC that you put under the TV with a Steam OS, then that will put an end to consoles. As much as people want to kid themselves, exclusives are the reason why people buy consoles. Microsoft is going to find this out when the next Xbox sells Sega Saturn numbers.

These threads are always full of the same contradictions from PC enthusiasts. That PC and consoles are totally separate "markets" that happily coexist and Sony should just keep porting games, even on day one...but at the same time watch out because PC is totally coming for PS consoles and will eat their lunch and make them irrelevant? And PC will accomplish that by...offering consoles like the steam deck or a steam box that you plug into a TV just like a Playstation? Wait, I thought nobody wanted or needed console-like devices anymore in this glorious PC only future?

 

[Laptop1991]

Not very good if they don't optomize them properly, i remember when PC games were made well and were first party, HL2 and Fear 1 etc. 20 years ago now, i'm all for for ports but not bad ones

 

[DaciaJC]

Nintendo consoles don’t have everything. PS consoles don’t have everything. Mobile doesn’t have everything. Not sure why PC needs to have everything “for the good of the world”. Sorry PCMR but there is nothing special about your platform.

You're wrong there. PC is the only truly open platform and by extension the only platform with proven backwards compatibility stretching back decades. It is literally "for the good of the world" (preservation) that as many games be made available on PC as possible.

 

[ArtHands]

These threads are always full of the same contradictions from PC enthusiasts. That PC and consoles are totally separate "markets" that happily coexist and Sony should just keep porting games, even on day one...but at the same time watch out because PC is totally coming for PS consoles and will eat their lunch and make them irrelevant? And PC will accomplish that by...offering consoles like the steam deck or a steam box that you plug into a TV just like a Playstation? Wait, I thought nobody wanted or needed console-like devices anymore in this glorious PC only future?

It is more of you not understanding how PC works.

PC won not because it is only doing what consoles isn’t doing. Part of the reasons PC won is because it is also now doing more of what console is doing, but better.

It matters not what people want, because at the end of the day, PC has something for everything. That’s the point.

 

[Denton]

You are wrong OP, the only and best reason for console exclusives being ported to PC is being able to watch ponies and xbots squirm.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Couldn't care less personally, but I think for Sony as a business it'd be smarter to return to exclusivity for sp games.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

It's the final reason I'm never buying an Xbox or Playstation ever again.

 

[rodrigolfp]

These threads are always full of the same contradictions from PC enthusiasts. That PC and consoles are totally separate "markets" that happily coexist and Sony should just keep porting games, even on day one...but at the same time watch out because PC is totally coming for PS consoles and will eat their lunch and make them irrelevant? And PC will accomplish that by...offering consoles like the steam deck or a steam box that you plug into a TV just like a Playstation? Wait, I thought nobody wanted or needed console-like devices anymore in this glorious PC only future?

You know that people can have both PC and consoles and without one people would migrate to the other, right??? And Steam Deck and Steam box are, gladly, not consoles.

 

[Esppiral]

I agree with op, but then consoles have no reason to exist at this point and neither Sony or MS are realising this, this will hurt them long/medium term.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I agree with op, but then consoles have no reason to exist at this point and neither Sony or MS are realising this, this will hurt them long/medium term.

Both are fully aware of that.

 

[Markio128]

I don’t mind Sony porting all their games to PC as long as the ports are shit.

 

[ArtHands]

I agree with op, but then consoles have no reason to exist at this point and neither Sony or MS are realising this, this will hurt them long/medium term.

I honestly thought consoles will transit into a console-in-controller form factor before they cease to exist. Like the Tecno Pocket Go

Product detail

www.tecno-mobile.com

But now it seems we're going to skip that stage.

 

[Pandawan]

Nope. Xbox is dying because everybody is buying a ps5. Xbox fucked up badly last gen with their drm.bullshit and it still.has repercussions into today. It has zero to do with their games being on pc


But I assume you as a console man wouldnt know that. And assume things. Your entire post sounds like you know nothing of the gaming industry.

You are wrong entierly

1. This is your assumtion that it has nothing to do with their games beign on PC. It does. You don't understand the reasons why everybody is buying a ps5 instead of XBOX. You assume it is just happend to be so. But one of the reasons people choose PS5 over XBOX is because PS5 has exclusives. It is a fact.

2. I play on everything. I have PC, Switch and PS5. Mostly i play on PC, but still play games on consoles to. And i know a lot about gaming industry. More than you do. It is your point that sounds like it is coming from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Your whole post is one big assumtion, that is also entirely wrong. And in that post you blame me for making assumtions. You are a textbook definition a men who does not know what he is talking about.