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[YeulEmeralda]

Well this settles it. Transformer based models is clearly the future of upscaling, which means it's probably the future of graphics full stop, since we're in diminishing returns of price/performance from node shrinking.

And with AMD finally joining the "we can do AI-based upscaling too!" club, and Intel Arc having their hardware based XESS, they would both be VERY smart to quickly shift over to a transformer based approach, which means they needed to start training their respective theoretical T-models like, years ago?

Nvidia's head start with all of this stuff means they are simply the winners now. They already have the market penetration that supports Transformer upscaling going all the way back to the 20 series.

This is brutally one-sided now, even more than it was previously.

Jensen is god.

 

[3liteDragon]

Wait, wait, WAIT A FUCKING SECOND, so now dlss performance look better than old dlss quality?

Is this what are you trying to say?

I spent 2 hrs switching between both & yea new perf mode looks better in motion than old quality to my eyes. Vegetation’s still kinda fucked tho.

 

[GymWolf]

Added this to a few games and yeah, this shit is insane.
Looks significantly better than the original model even on perf mode.
Id argue there is no reason to be on Quality or Balanced anymore, the difference when you bump them up is negligable.

I dont think frame gen is enhanced in this DLL though.

What do you mean added to a few games?

Don't you need devs to patch the game to tey the new model?

Or it's just a matter of downloading the latest driver and it automatically work with everything??

 

[GymWolf]

Jensen is god.

 

[TrebleShot]

What do you mean added to a few games?

Don't you need devs to patch the game to tey the new model?

Or it's just a matter of downloading the latest driver and it automatically work with everything??

DLSS swapper and NVIDIA profile inspector.

Swapper to install the latest dlss version on your games and inspector to force preset J. Gives you the new Transformer model and I can tell ya it's incredible.

 

[GymWolf]

DLSS swapper and NVIDIA profile inspector.

Swapper to install the latest dlss version on your games and inspector to force preset J. Gives you the new Transformer model and I can tell ya it's incredible.

So wait, cyberpunk needed to receive a patch but other games don't need that?

And the game with the latest version of dlss installed automatically chose the transformer model? Correct?

 

[TIGERCOOL]

So wait, cyberpunk needed to receive a patch but other games don't need that?

And the game with the latest version of dlss installed automatically chose the transformer model? Correct?

Cyberpunk included the in-menu toggle between DLSS models which required the patch (also other general fixes)

the new 4.0 .DLL is indeed plug and play with every other game, as the correct preset (J) is automatically selected

 

[TrebleShot]

So wait, cyberpunk needed to receive a patch but other games don't need that?

And the game with the latest version of dlss installed automatically chose the transformer model? Correct?

They had to release the update to a game first for the file to be out there. They did so with CP2077 so someone made the file available and its now on DLSS Swapper, allowing it to then be applied to other games and Profile J to be selected in NVIDIA inspector.

Alt is to just wait for the new geforce experience to launch on the 30th.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Looking forward to trying this out.

 

[kevboard]

Looking forward to trying this out.

NVIDIA DLSS DLL 310.2 Download

This download provides various versions of NVIDIA's DLSS DLL for download. In this one file, which is bundled with all games that support NVIDIA's

www.techpowerup.com

 

[GymWolf]

They had to release the update to a game first for the file to be out there. They did so with CP2077 so someone made the file available and its now on DLSS Swapper, allowing it to then be applied to other games and Profile J to be selected in NVIDIA inspector.

Alt is to just wait for the new geforce experience to launch on the 30th.

Do i have to download geforce experience or i can just download only the drivers like i always do?

I don't like to keep superfluos apps in my pc if i can avoid it.

 

[GymWolf]

Cyberpunk included the in-menu toggle between DLSS models which required the patch (also other general fixes)

the new 4.0 .DLL is indeed plug and play with every other game, as the correct preset (J) is automatically selected

I have no idea what a preset J is.

Never used dlss swapper or geforce experience and barely use inspector.

I hope it's easier to find than preset G on women

 

[Gamer79]

Lmfao who cares

Grab a bike

Will he straddle your back on the bike?

 

[awwr999999]

Where is the option to turn OFF Johnny in the car? I didn't ask for it and this patch forces even more Johnny in the car?
Who even makes decisions like this?

They can get rid of the 'spike' protruding from Johnny's elbow while they're at it.

 

[Shaki12345]

They can get rid of the 'spike' protruding from Johnny's elbow while they're at it.

Fair point. I mean, who thought it was a good idea to take away options from players and forcing it upon us? The elbow thing is something I cannot unsee now anymore. Thanks.

 

[ABrokenToy]

If you have a 4K monitor/TV, the best IQ setting on the 4090 is using DLDSR 1.78x with DLSS Performance. With the new DLSS 4.0, it's soooo good. Getting about 80fps average.

 

[ChoosableOne]

Imagine owning an xbox one cyberpunk edition and seeing news like this every other month.

 

[Bernoulli]

On reddit people are saying that performance DLSS looks better than old Quality DLSS, god-damn

Even with old cards?

 

[Idleyes]

There is 0 benefits to forcing something on the player. What if you just want to cruise around the city? And not listen to Keanu?

Bruh... Just let Arasaka remove Keanu and call it a day.

 

[Gonzito]

Even with old cards?

Yes

 

[Senua]

I have no idea what a preset J is.

Never used dlss swapper or geforce experience and barely use inspector.

I hope it's easier to find than preset G on women

 

[TheStam]

I am very impressed. I can play this game at 4k maxed out with path-tracing with DLSS Performance. And image quality still looks good.

The improvements to Ray Reconstruction are very obvious too. No more melted faces? At least I didn't see any of the ghosting when trying it out.

I also tried it out in FFVII Rebirth by switching .dll, preset J etc. Running at 66% min resolution looks sharper than what DLAA does in many games somehow.

This feels like a huge leap. Fucking Nvidia man, I hate how I wouldn't even for a second consider another brand, but it is what it is..

 

[MMaRsu]

Does the new DLSS work in NG2 Black? Anyone know?

 

[DirtInUrEye]

I have updated my previous post

The command that we have to put in Nvidia Inspector is 0x0000000A, not J.

After this, it works as intended, this is confirmed by many users in reddit

Late trying it myself, but do all three .DLLs need to be added to a game's directory for this to work, or can I just replace the dlss.dll only? I'm not bothered about the frame gen .dll and I'm struggling to find the location for the ray reconstruction file in Hogwarts, which I'm currently playing for the first time.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Does the new DLSS work in NG2 Black? Anyone know?

If you inject it of course. Any DLSS gen 2 and up can be swapped.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Does the new transformer model offer superior performance to the CNN model?

 

[yamaci17]

Does the new transformer model offer superior performance to the CNN model?

no, quite the opposite, it has a performance cost. though some claim the cost will be reduced by driver updates

 

[Buggy Loop]

Does the new transformer model offer superior performance to the CNN model?

Quality vs quality no, there’s a hit

But the transformer model is so good in the lower quality presets that you can drop down to performance, have a huge fps boost and still look as good as CNN quality

Transformer at quality preset is better than DLAA.

oh also upcoming driver update improves it

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/3jIZZWbdIB

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Quality vs quality no, there’s a hit

But the transformer model is so good in the lower quality presets that you can drop down to performance, have a huge fps boost and still look as good as CNN quality

Transformer at quality preset is better than DLAA.

How much of a hit?

Unreal if performance looks as good as CNN quality.

 

[Senua]

Quality vs quality no, there’s a hit

But the transformer model is so good in the lower quality presets that you can drop down to performance, have a huge fps boost and still look as good as CNN quality

Transformer at quality preset is better than DLAA.

I tried it with Tokyo Xtreme Racer. In faster paced games using performance mode it definitely has fizzles on things like railings and such and on quality is got rid of them. but it is very impressive how good it looks.

 

[Buggy Loop]

How much of a hit?

Unreal if performance looks as good as CNN quality.

Right now it’s in the ~10-15% range but the driver update seems to almost melt that down the a few single digit %

The Brazilian Nvidia engineer on Twitter said roughly 5% before so that would to be true

The tech is a game changer

Any upscaling comparison from before is now completely outdated. And Nvidia sees a lot of improvement still for it.

 

[funking giblet]

As someone who was really sensitive to the pixel swimming DLSS Performance in this game, DLSS4 is incredibly stable and the IQ is much improved in Performance mode.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

This is nuts!



Transformer model "Performance" is clearly better than CNN model "Quality", confirmed. So you get better IQ and way more frames from dropping from Quality down to Performance internal res.

I saw the difference during gameplay, but to be honest I thought it was quite small but maybe because I never played cyberpunk with DLSS performance for long. This video however proves that the difference is massive when zoomed in.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

On all videos i’ve seen there is a 3 to 5 fps loss when using DLSS4. Wonder if this will be ironed out in future releases.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

On all videos i’ve seen there is a 3 to 5 fps loss when using DLSS4. Wonder if this will be ironed out in future releases.

Await the new driver and Nvidia app updates. We're still on the CNN driver.

 

[yet_another_alt]

I'm kinda glad I waited before doing a full VR run. Being able to switch to performance mode and still get a clean image would be amazing.

 

[bighugeguns]

I told you guys this stuff is going to make the Switch 2 magic. Hope we see it implemented in more PC games! Cool of CDPR to keep things bleeding edge.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Been playing CP77 most of the night with the new DLSS toys.
Turning Nvidia reflex Off really helps with the frame gen not going wonky. The latency reduction just isn’t worth the image jank.

Also played with the Nvidia auto tuner for a few extra fps. First time I’ve used that.

 

[Rea]

So if I just wanna play the CP2077 with the new model, I just need to update the game version right?
Do I need to do the preset J shit or whatever?

 

[3liteDragon]

So if I just wanna play the CP2077 with the new model, I just need to update the game version right?
Do I need to do the preset J shit or whatever?

That's if you want to try it on other games, you could just wait for the NVIDIA app update on the 30th that'll allow you to override any game with DLSS 2 & up with the new models. CDPR for some reason chose to update their game this week instead of next week since NVIDIA hasn't released the new drivers yet which also will be available on the 30th. But yea, if you just wanna play 2077, download the game update from the store, go in to settings & you'll be able to switch between the old CNN model & new Transformer model. Should be on Transformer by default I think.

 

[nemiroff]

Yeah, ok.., technically ncc performs better than transformer, at the same internal resolution.. But for an end user who doesn't care about what happens under the hood, transformer looks better while performing better, period, so-to-speak.

So if I just wanna play the CP2077 with the new model, I just need to update the game version right?

Correct.

 

[TrebleShot]

Quality mode in alot of games was already better than native, having this look better on perf mode than quality is actually mind blowing.
We are now looking at games that look worse native than DLSS4 Performance mode...wtf is going on.

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

wtf is going on.

 

[Klosshufvud]

This is a paradigm shift for graphics rendering. People are reporting huge uplifts in image quality across a wide range of games. The small performance hit is nothing compared to the gains in visual clarity and stability. The fact that even a 5 year old Nvidia GPU can take advantage of this is insane aswell. I think DLSS4 will put even the most hardcore of upscaling sceptics to rest. It sure as hell did to me.

 

[TrebleShot]

This is a paradigm shift for graphics rendering. People are reporting huge uplifts in image quality across a wide range of games. The small performance hit is nothing compared to the gains in visual clarity and stability. The fact that even a 5 year old Nvidia GPU can take advantage of this is insane aswell. I think DLSS4 will put even the most hardcore of upscaling sceptics to rest. It sure as hell did to me.

It's like a 3/5 fps difference i think people will accept that. Overall when you can knock it to performance and get the gains.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Quality mode in alot of games was already better than native, having this look better on perf mode than quality is actually mind blowing.
We are now looking at games that look worse native than DLSS4 Performance mode...wtf is going on.

How does it look in motion? Any shimmering or artefacts with DLSS performance?

DLSS performance (old) can fall apart in motion depending on the game.

 

[TrebleShot]

How does it look in motion? Any shimmering or artefacts with DLSS performance?

DLSS performance (old) can fall apart in motion depending on the game.

Rock solid. You'll be amazed when you see it . It's a generational leap over the original. Similar but not exactly like going from FSR to DLSS

 

[FeralEcho]

What if I don't want to cruise around the city and want every action/quest to happen around the place I start the game? See how non sense is this "forced" logic?

Such high level mental gymnastics should be a sport at the Olympic Games.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

I used DLSS swapper to try the new model on several games, and i noticed that they stutter on DLSS quality mode on my 3080. I tried RDR2 for example, and riding around will randomly go from super smooth to ridiculously janky for a few seconds. Same happens in Dead Space Remake. Anyone else seeing this?

 

[Buggy Loop]

I played Ninja Gaiden 2 black last night with the J preset swap. Looks amazing, even when dropping to balanced or performance.

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