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[ABrokenToy]

Ok. I just tried this in Star Wars Outlaws. How the fuck? What is this wizardry? It's like the Barbara Walters (vasoline) filter was removed. Playing in balanced bias mode now is insane and it runs so much smoother now too. Noticing big differences in hair strands too. Not perfect, but looks much better around the edges and not as harsh.

 

[TheStam]

Ok. I just tried this in Star Wars Outlaws. How the fuck? What is this wizardry? It's like the Barbara Walters (vasoline) filter was removed. Playing in balanced bias mode now is insane and it runs so much smoother now too. Noticing big differences in hair strands too. Not perfect, but looks much better around the edges and not as harsh.

I gotta try Outlaws as well. That game has some serious issues with sharpness and clarity even at 4k DLSS Quality. Awesome to hear it works well there. This stuff is magic.

 

[The Janitor]

Tried it out, overall the image quality is way better. But I noticed it also makes shadows flicker a lot more in some games (Star Wars Jedi Survivor and Uncharted 4)
Hopefully this will be fixed.

 

[3liteDragon]

People talking about the performance hits from using the Transformer model should wait for the new drivers to release next week, apparently improves performance by a decent amount, probably latency too.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Left : DLSS3.5 Quality Right : DLSS4 Ultra Performance​

HOW?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Another one

Look at her elbow armor or the details on her crossbow or Hugo's golden motifs around his neck.

 

[yamaci17]

tried dlss 4 in god of war. this is why I love PC gaming lol

Imgsli

Imgsli

dlss 4 is insane

 

[Puscifer]

I can't to see this when the 5.71 drivers release

 

[evanft]

People talking about the performance hits from using the Transformer model should wait for the new drivers to release next week, apparently improves performance by a decent amount, probably latency too.

This is conflating too many variable. Driver, FG, and DLSS mode. Need to keep each separate to actually figure out the differences.

 

[yamaci17]

hogwarts legacy (I forgot to open FPS overlay, I will do a more detailed comparison tomorrow)

Imgsli

it looks so good that I might stop using DLDSR+DLSS circus. I can finally play at my native resolution buffer. just incredible.

 

[Bojji]

hogwarts legacy (I forgot to open FPS overlay, I will do a more detailed comparison tomorrow)

Imgsli

it looks so good that I might stop using DLDSR+DLSS circus. I can finally play at my native resolution buffer. just incredible.

Wow.

 

[SlimySnake]

I dont know what everyone is seeing but just tried this in Wukong and while dlss quality is still nice, performance is easily worse. it cant handle all that foliage. there is flickering around most tree branches and leaves. Also, if there is an image quality mode, im not seeing it.

going to try alan wake 2 and silent hill 2 next.

p.s the performance hit is something i also dont like. its like a 5 fps hit which can be pretty major.

 

[SlimySnake]

I played Ninja Gaiden 2 black last night with the J preset swap. Looks amazing, even when dropping to balanced or performance.

Wizards

how does ninja gaiden 2 look btw? looks good in youtube videos but im not seeing any evidence of nanite or lumen.

still funny to me that the remake looks better than the brand new game from platinum.

 

[Buggy Loop]

how does ninja gaiden 2 look btw? looks good in youtube videos but im not seeing any evidence of nanite or lumen.

still funny to me that the remake looks better than the brand new game from platinum.

It has RT on PC which I imagine is Lumen or hardware lumen.

It’s inconsistent by graphic fidelity thread I’ll say. Cutscenes looks quite clean and they out a lot of effort on characters. When outside and there’s sun or street lights it can also look quite nice, but I saw so much RT breaking down interior and in dark places, I think they fucked up their bounding volumes for it.

Nanite I don’t think so, or if they use it, the assets aren’t anywhere close to what it could push. Some geometry seem outdated for the levels.

Still happy with the upgrade honestly.

 

[Puscifer]

hogwarts legacy (I forgot to open FPS overlay, I will do a more detailed comparison tomorrow)

Imgsli

it looks so good that I might stop using DLDSR+DLSS circus. I can finally play at my native resolution buffer. just incredible.

Obligatory are these the same settings because damn: it looks like an entirely new lighting system

 

[Slayer-33]

hogwarts legacy (I forgot to open FPS overlay, I will do a more detailed comparison tomorrow)

Imgsli

it looks so good that I might stop using DLDSR+DLSS circus. I can finally play at my native resolution buffer. just incredible.

Weebay.gif DAMN.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I dont know what everyone is seeing but just tried this in Wukong and while dlss quality is still nice, performance is easily worse. it cant handle all that foliage. there is flickering around most tree branches and leaves. Also, if there is an image quality mode, im not seeing it.

going to try alan wake 2 and silent hill 2 next.

p.s the performance hit is something i also dont like. its like a 5 fps hit which can be pretty major.

I have not tried Wukong so maybe specifically that game is not a good match with j preset but

You should be able to go to balanced or performance and still beat the old DLSS quality. As of now if you use new DLSS in quality mode you are beating out DLAA.

For other games it had more details, is more stable and has better motion clarity even at performance.

 

[SlimySnake]

I have not tried Wukong so maybe specifically that game is not a good match with j preset but

You should be able to go to balanced or performance and still beat the old DLSS quality. As of now if you use new DLSS in quality mode you are beating out DLAA.

For other games it had more details, is more stable and has better motion clarity even at performance.

just tried alan wake 2 and still not seeing a massive difference. tbh, the game looked great in both modes. I think the biggest difference i notice is that dlss performance is now costing the same as old dlss quality. its probably because i have fewer tensor cores than 40 series cards.

the transformer model does seem to partially fix the ghosting issue around the character when turning the camera. i dont even remember it being a thing but running it before swapping out dlss files was really jarring. its pretty much gone in new dlss quality and very rarely happens in dlss performance.

i will try it with space marine 2 next. i can run that game maxed out at dlss quality so hopefully the new dlss quality mode looks even better.

 

[yamaci17]

Obligatory are these the same settings because damn: it looks like an entirely new lighting system

same settings but this game constantly changes weather and time between exact same save loads

 

[Buggy Loop]

just tried alan wake 2 and still not seeing a massive difference. tbh, the game looked great in both modes. I think the biggest difference i notice is that dlss performance is now costing the same as old dlss quality. its probably because i have fewer tensor cores than 40 series cards.

What the

I don’t have Alan Wake 2 so can’t help but that looks anormal. RTX cards are not really affected by the tensor core generations with the transformer model upscaling, ~3% cost compared to Ada and Blackwell but performance should boost a lot

Edit : Aaahhhh, I think I know why, Alan wake 2 has ray reconstruction and you have that enabled right? The new model is costly. Since the game is not patched yet it cannot have a toggle between cnn and transformer model so it picks the one from the .dll.

Ray reconstruction’s new model is brutal on ampere, you’re effectively losing any gain by performance upscaling. Which I mean is not bad per day as the ray reconstruction fix a lot of problems of the previous one, but returning to cnn model imo is advised on ampere.

There’s also drivers in horizon that will help

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/5vHlsJ86re

I think in his slide he’s using cnn trsnsformer when enabling because his results don’t get the impact that digital foundry got.

 

[yamaci17]

What the

I don’t have Alan Wake 2 so can’t help but that looks anormal. RTX cards are not really affected by the tensor core generations with the transformer model upscaling, ~3% cost compared to Ada and Blackwell but performance should boost a lot



Edit : Aaahhhh, I think I know why, Alan wake 2 has ray reconstruction and you have that enabled right? The new model is costly. Since the game is not patched yet it cannot have a toggle between cnn and transformer model so it picks the one from the .dll.

Ray reconstruction’s new model is brutal on ampere, you’re effectively losing any gain by performance upscaling. Which I mean is not bad per day as the ray reconstruction fix a lot of problems of the previous one, but returning to cnn model imo is advised on ampere.

nah I wouldn't go back to the old model despite the performance hit. I'd rather play with 1440p dlss performance and new ray reconstruction than 1440p dlss quality and old ray reconstruction. I just never liked the oily painted look. sure it got reduced with 4k dlss quality but that's something I just can't run lol



I did a performance test at 1440p dlss performance path tracing with DLSS 4. The performance hit is around 20%-25% with both models set to performance mode at 1440p in scenes I've tested. but it looks so much better I can never go back to oily look. I can still get around 30-36 FPS average with 1440p dlss performance and path tracing so I'm happy (geforce experience caused a few percentage of performance drop and performance instability)

would like to try alan wake 2 but I will wait for the RTX mega geometry update for that one

 

[Buggy Loop]

nah I wouldn't go back to the old model despite the performance hit. I'd rather play with 1440p dlss performance and new ray reconstruction than 1440p dlss quality and old ray reconstruction. I just never liked the oily painted look. sure it got reduced with 4k dlss quality but that's something I just can't run lol



I did a performance test at 1440p dlss performance path tracing with DLSS 4. The performance hit is around 20%-25% with both models set to performance mode at 1440p in scenes I've tested. but it looks so much better I can never go back to oily look. I can still get around 30-36 FPS average with 1440p dlss performance and path tracing so I'm happy (geforce experience caused a few percentage of performance drop and performance instability)

would like to try alan wake 2 but I will wait for the RTX mega geometry update for that one

Ah I meant turning off ray reconstruction, I wrote cnn model by mistake. Then you don’t get the benefit of RR but you don’t have the oily look of CNN RR.

But yeah. If performance upscaler offset the penalty of the new RR it’s also not a bad thing.

Sucks that ampere is hit hard on RR update

 

[UnrealEck]

My 9800X3D is coming tomorrow so hopefully this will improve games using DLSS 4 in performance mode as it seems my Core i5 isn't able to keep up in some games.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

just tried alan wake 2 and still not seeing a massive difference. tbh, the game looked great in both modes. I think the biggest difference i notice is that dlss performance is now costing the same as old dlss quality. its probably because i have fewer tensor cores than 40 series cards.

the transformer model does seem to partially fix the ghosting issue around the character when turning the camera. i dont even remember it being a thing but running it before swapping out dlss files was really jarring. its pretty much gone in new dlss quality and very rarely happens in dlss performance.

i will try it with space marine 2 next. i can run that game maxed out at dlss quality so hopefully the new dlss quality mode looks even better.

Have you turned off lens (distortion) filter in Alan Wake 2? This filter blurs the image, making it harder to see improvements.

The game should be played with lens distortion turned on, however, as turning it off causes the game to stutter occasionally on RTX 40-series cards.

Hopefully Remedy will fix this in the next patch, as I would prefer to play the game without lens blur.

 

[ABrokenToy]

hogwarts legacy (I forgot to open FPS overlay, I will do a more detailed comparison tomorrow)

Imgsli

it looks so good that I might stop using DLDSR+DLSS circus. I can finally play at my native resolution buffer. just incredible.

Don't. The improvements carry over there too. DLDSR 1.78x + DLSS Perf in CyberPunk looks much better now as well with DLSS 4.

 

[Hugare]

Playing Cyberpunk 2077 with DLSS on Performance at 1080p (so like, 540p internal? Dunno) and it still looks amazing.

I'm in awe

Path traced Cyberpunk at 60 (with framegen) on my 3060, constant 30 FPS. This tech is bonkers.

 

[Denton]

Yeah I did not expect to be able to run C77 with pathtracing at 60fps in watchable image quality on my 3080Ti.

This update makes it possible.

I am running the game with actual internal res of around (dlss ultra perf) 1100x600, this gets upscaled via DSR to 3325x1871, and then from that downsample to 1080p of my plasma. And it looks fucking good as fuck. Completely clean, but still reasonably sharp, no jaggies, no shimmering anywhere. PT on, 60 fps stable.

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

Black magic fuckery

 

[Perrott]

When is the Nvidia App getting updated with the DLSS Override or whatever they call the feature that allows you to force DLSS 4's Transformer model onto DLSS 2 supported titles?

 

[Buggy Loop]

When is the Nvidia App getting updated with the DLSS Override or whatever they call the feature that allows you to force DLSS 4's Transformer model onto DLSS 2 supported titles?

I believe on day 0 of Blackwell launch, so, January 30th

Black magic fuckery

Indeed

The new model performs so well with low resolution its incredible. How AI can take garbled internal resolution and get so much detail on screen is mind blowing.

This is quite a leap in upscaling tech for a certain mobile chipset

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Black magic fuckery

Whilst the image looks soft and there are some artefacts, for 480p internal resolution that looks insane. Wow.

We need a Steam Deck powered with NVIDIA hardware!

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Native TAA is dead

 

[Killer8]

Ported the new dll over to Indiana Jones and i'm blown away. Just like what's been reported, performance looks every bit as good if not better than the old quality mode.

It's allowing me to play this game with full path tracing at very good framerates on a 4070 Super.

To stay in VRAM budget i've set everything to max except texture memory allocation to high. It's running at about 50-55fps in the opening jungle area which is more than sufficient with G-sync. Playing with the cinematic widescreen too which likely saves some performance too (and suits this game).

I don't like frame gen in principal but if the base framerate is this high thanks to DLSS, then frame gen boosting it up to 100+ fps to remove some screen judder seems like a good use case.

No:

In a roundabout way it will. They are talking about a preset to preset comparison in the video so it will be slower in that sense. But they should have been thinking outside the box ie. if performance is now better than the old quality preset, then just using performance over quality will yield more frames with the equivalent end user fidelity.

 

[Bojji]

Native TAA is dead

I like this part (timestamped):

 

[Buggy Loop]

Yeah I did not expect to be able to run C77 with pathtracing at 60fps in watchable image quality on my 3080Ti.

This update makes it possible.

I am running the game with actual internal res of around (dlss ultra perf) 1100x600, this gets upscaled via DSR to 3325x1871, and then from that downsample to 1080p of my plasma. And it looks fucking good as fuck. Completely clean, but still reasonably sharp, no jaggies, no shimmering anywhere. PT on, 60 fps stable.

What are your settings / resolution btw? I have the same GPU.

 

[Denton]

What are your settings / resolution btw? I have the same GPU.

Ingame res (via DSR): 3325x1871, then downsampled to 1080p of my plasma
transformer DLSS ultra performance
ray reconstruction on
pathtracing on
all settings max/ultra

 

[AFBT88]

just tried alan wake 2 and still not seeing a massive difference. tbh, the game looked great in both modes. I think the biggest difference i notice is that dlss performance is now costing the same as old dlss quality. its probably because i have fewer tensor cores than 40 series cards.

the transformer model does seem to partially fix the ghosting issue around the character when turning the camera. i dont even remember it being a thing but running it before swapping out dlss files was really jarring. its pretty much gone in new dlss quality and very rarely happens in dlss performance.

i will try it with space marine 2 next. i can run that game maxed out at dlss quality so hopefully the new dlss quality mode looks even better.

Somethings going on with your setup. I have a 4080s and 3080 and tested AW2 with both. The Performance mode on DLSS4 easily outperforms the DLSS 3.5 Quality. Get at least 10-15% more performance on 3080 while looking better than Quality on DLSS 3.5.

 

[SlimySnake]

tried SH2 just now, and its adding a whole bunch of flickering pixel noise indoors. outdoors it looks fine. performance is more or less the same.

Somethings going on with your setup. I have a 4080s and 3080 and tested AW2 with both. The Performance mode on DLSS4 easily outperforms the DLSS 3.5 Quality. Get at least 10-15% more performance on 3080 while looking better than Quality on DLSS 3.5.

i was just going by memory. it might be a tiny bit better still. i will check again if i have time.

 

[Denton]

Internal render res 1108x624

Black fucking magic

Also, this game is GOAT level masterpiece

I can spend two hours just walking and driving around without getting bored
and there are still 100+ high quality handcrafted quests and story on top

 

[zeroluck]

You need some mods, at the minimum remove the distance fog and etc.

 

[Hugare]

You need some mods, at the minimum remove the distance fog and etc.

lol, funny, cause I think his screenshot looks so much better.

Maybe cause you dont have path tracing turned on? Lighting looks much better

I dont mind the distant fog. It adds to the atmosphere.

Most mods like that realistic one that you see everywhere may look good in places, but completely butchers some scenes (specially cutscenes) that have lighting placed by hand by the devs.

 

[zeroluck]

lol, funny, cause I think his screenshot looks so much better.

Maybe cause you dont have path tracing turned on? Lighting looks much better

I dont mind the distant fog. It adds to the atmosphere.

Most mods like that realistic one that you see everywhere may look good in places, but completely butchers some scenes (specially cutscenes) that have lighting placed by hand by the devs.

Which part of the lighting look better? The glare due to different sun direction? Anyway turning off HDR to take a screenshot looks terrible, you missing tons of details.

 

[Hugare]

Which part of the lighting look better? The glare due to different sun direction? Anyway turning off HDR to take a screenshot looks terrible, you missing tons of details.

Hard to say. To me it just looks better and more "dynamic". Yours look flat in comparison. Still awesome, tho.

But yeah, probably due to different weather conditions and etc. Still, looks better, imo.

 

[Puscifer]

People talking about the performance hits from using the Transformer model should wait for the new drivers to release next week, apparently improves performance by a decent amount, probably latency too.

FYI

If anyone wants to try this,

840.28 MB file on MEGA

mega.nz

These are CUDA drivers and they're pulled from the developer website but they're playable for gaming. Performance mode looks better than quality and it's fucking great! The Nvidia app isn't available there but the most important parts are.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Lazy dorks can't throw us PS5 Pro owners a bone and update with PSSR at the very least.

 

[Roni]

Gave this a shot and indeed DLSS Performance is leaps and bounds better. I'm using an ultrawide monitor, so DLSS Perfomance leaves a strange white band in the bottom of my screen which ruins the graphics. But DLSS Balanced doesn't, so I used that. Path Tracing @ 55FPS is a dream come true with my setup. I'm not really going to start a new playthrough, because this game consumes me. But it's nice to know next time I dive into it the experience will be top notch.

 

[Kenpachii]

Been playing for a bit at DLSS performance on 2560x1080p with pathtracing and sit at around 90 fps at the most demanding spot in the dlc area with ~110 fps in other spots. Having a blast.

 

[Luipadre]

Lazy dorks can't throw us PS5 Pro owners a bone and update with PSSR at the very least.

Its for the better imo. Knowing CDPRs console history it would probably be a worse version of the game than normal PS5

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Lazy dorks can't throw us PS5 Pro owners a bone and update with PSSR at the very least.

Correct me if I am wrong but this is all Nvidia's work no?

 

[Stitch]

so, there's no global override option in the new app

preset K is new, but it doesn't show up in profileinspector