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[Crispy Gamer]

It's time for this Takashi guy to become a meme what's the story with this guy and Sony?!

 

[Adam_802]

Oof. Guess they'll put it on more platforms next time

 

[Mr Moose]

It's time for this Takashi guy to become a meme what's the story with this guy and Sony?!

Ken Kutaragi slept with his wife.

 

[Astray]

There's yet to be an actual verified quote of them saying anything like this for what it's worth:





Just Takashi doing Takashi things.

Takashi is weirdly fixated on anything involving Sony, it's like he has an ex working there or something the hate boner is just impossible.

 

[squidilix]

FFXV sold 5 million units on it's first month across all platforms, not sure how much Sony paid for the exclusivity but it seems it wasnt worth it.

Only on PS4 and One. The report says that 79% of all sales of Final Fantasy XV on UK were on the PS4, meaning just 21% of sales was for the Xbox One.


Even if we have only PS5 / Series release, the game maybe sales lower than 500k on Xbox. IDK why people thinking 16 sales more with releasing on all consoles.

 

[Astray]

This latest gaffe of Takashi's gets even funnier when you sit down and realize that:

- Square underperformance was directly mentioned to be a result of underperforming past titles, meaning stuff like Forspoken and Harvestella (which still have sales forecasts and promo plans even after we forgot about them).
- Square actually plans to have more AAA titles than AA ones (I.e. you are actually gonna get more titles like FF16 and less like Harvestella or Diofield Chronicles).

How can a guy be this outright dumb and still work at Bloomberg?

 

[Katatonic]

Looks at thread title, looks at source, looks at OP... checks out.

Xbox fans salty af over this game.

Hey, you're getting 14 next year so cmon.

 

[Metnut]

OP’s quote isn’t accurate

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

All I can say is they missed on on selling it to me and my brother and a few of our friends who main Xbox so I don't feel bad for them.

 

[Hugare]

Square is the embodiment of the asian dad meme

It's just never enough

They are kinda justified in this case tho

 

[hlm666]

That operating profit was a big step in the right direction.

/s

 

[Northeastmonk]

My opinion is that if people wanted this game to sell you’d have all the PS5 owners buying copies out their ears. It “flopped” because it was an easy to glance over action based Final Fantasy. Not a lot of replay value and not a lot of side content that was worth sharing with friends. I don’t think it could have saved the game. The hype was kinda over a week or two later. It was streamlined for some new audience. I don’t think this has anything to do with platform. If this was Sakaguchi level of Final Fantasy, it would have probably sold more. It didn’t touch their watered down fan base. Unless I’m baseless and my love of Square is completely out of touch.

 

[Chukhopops]

I don’t think it flopped and I don’t think it was a big success either, especially in Japan. I think, ironically, that it was saved by being one of the two big Sony exclusives this year.

But it’s deeply ironic they are going to get their ass whipped, on their main platform, by a turn-based, party-based CRPG with D&D ruleset when they insisted so much on turn-based and party management being outdated and nobody wanting those in the younger generations. It’s poetic justice and I hope it really stings lmao.

 

[Moochi]

I think it looks cool and I'm looking forward to a pc release. Only thing I'm worried about is that people said it was too easy and button mashy.

 

[Mister Wolf]

The price for prostituting themselves to Sony. Staggering the PC release is idiotic.

 

[Zekra Dezivad]

Mochizuki source, definitely not gonna buy it

 

[Bernoulli]

he gets the clicks and ad revenue from his news posted here
in the end he wins

 

[Skelterz]

The sooner they drop the bullshit and make a turn based AAA final fantasy the sooner we can forget the nightmare of releases for the best part of a decade or more, Remember who you are and remember what your fans want and maybe you’ll start selling more games.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

• should have been multiplat from the go
• should have been a traditional FF title

 

[Ar¢tos]

This latest gaffe of Takashi's gets even funnier when you sit down and realize that:

- Square underperformance was directly mentioned to be a result of underperforming past titles, meaning stuff like Forspoken and Harvestella (which still have sales forecasts and promo plans even after we forgot about them).
- Square actually plans to have more AAA titles than AA ones (I.e. you are actually gonna get more titles like FF16 and less like Harvestella or Diofield Chronicles).

How can a guy be this outright dumb and still work at Bloomberg?

Harvestella?
- Release game on Switch + PC only
- Don't promote it at all
- ???
- Complain it didn't sell nearly enough

 

[Buggy Loop]

Exclusive to one platform
Moves away from everything that made FF

Square-Enix :

Poor Eidos who got dragged into this piss poor management for so many years.

 

[JordiENP]

But timing to release a big game between Zelda and Diablo.

 

[Fbh]

Some people seem obsessed with seeing this game fail.

3 million is not bad for a game like that. They were probably expecting Hogwarts sales but if you want that you need to release on all platforms at once. Xbox splits are usually 20% with PC bringing in another 15%. They couldve hit 5 million had they not taken Sony's money hat to buy themselves yahcts, cocaine and hookers.

Well it also depends on how much Sony paid them, maybe it was enough to cover 35% lower sales than expected.

Also 3 million isn't as bad as people make it sound (plus while sales have slowed down it's not like it stopped selling).
Re4 Remake, the remake of one of the most beloved games from the Ps2/GC generation which launched to universal critical acclaim (93 metascore) has sold 5 million in 4 months while releasing on Ps4, ps5, SX, SS and PC.

 

[Astray]

Harvestella?
- Release game on Switch + PC only
- Don't promote it at all
- ???
- Complain it didn't sell nearly enough

AA games in general don't get as much marketing as AAA.

I think Square was ultra dumb in how they shipped and released a lot of titles this past year and it's caught up with them now.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

erf... stop posting viral shit source...
Because the source of the Eurogamer news is ....


Written by...


When once (again) misinterpreted...

This is the same guys saying PSVR2 flopping hard or Sony failed some report, because people buy less PS5 game

NGL, mods should close this thread then. Bloomberg Takashi has such an obvious fanboy hateboner against PlayStation, it bleeds through in every single one of his mentions and reports regarding the platform and its exclusive games.

There's nothing of substance to discuss here. Shut it down. Back to lurking.

 

[Orbital2060]

Exclusive to one platform
Moves away from everything that made FF

Square-Enix :

Poor Eidos who got dragged into this piss poor management for so many years.

Yep. The real issue here is the company needs new leadership that have a genuine compassion and vision for all of these great IPs, instead of chasing trends or selling out to stupid shit like NFTs.

 

[aliadiere25]

That's good for me. I'm waiting for it to go on sale.... so it might be on sale sooner.

 

[Solidus_T]

FFXVI was within SE's expectations and this thread, along with the 'news' were created from a fanboy narrative desperate to downplay the game's success.

Thread title should be changed

 

[diffusionx]

They should have released a RPG.

 

[Astray]

Some people seem obsessed with seeing this game fail.

It's a mix of people who don't want a non-turn-based FF to succeed (and thus influence future FF titles in a direction they don't like), and weirdo Xbox influencers who want to gloat over Sony failing at something.

Well it also depends on how much Sony paid them, maybe it was enough to cover 35% lower sales than expected.

Also 3 million isn't as bad as people make it sound (plus while sales have slowed down it's not like it stopped selling).
Re4 Remake, the remake of one of the most beloved games from the Ps2/GC generation which launched to universal critical acclaim (93 metascore) has sold 5 million in 4 months while releasing on Ps4, ps5, SX, SS and PC.

It's actually selling quite well, not reaching the ceiling of your estimates means that you still hit your estimates and are profitable (it's actually been mentioned as a bright spot in their earnings call iirc), now they can start doing promo plans like DLCs/Sales plus release on other platforms after the exclusivity period ends to keep making money on the title.

Yep. The real issue here is the company needs new leadership that have a genuine compassion and vision for all of these great IPs, instead of chasing trends or selling out to stupid shit like NFTs.

Company leadership has changed v.recently, the new management's plans are just starting.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Square Enix is never happy with the sales of their games, doesn't matter if they move 10 million units in a day. Also Takashi Bloomberg least credible "journalist" on the net.

 

[SmokedMeat]

If they weren’t happy with Tomb Raider selling over 3 million copies, then they’re not going to be happy with Final Fantasy’s lackluster sales either.

Pikmin 4 even outsold it in Japan.

 

[NeroDaGod]

We need to start having disinformation tags so we can add them to posts or threads when we get reliable information that contradicts the subject.

 

[Drizzlehell]

Roses are red, they grow on plantations,
Square Enix's games sell below expectations

 

[Deerock71]

Slow adoption of the PlayStation 5 as a reason.
What is SE smoking because please share

They're unhappy PS5 isn't at current Switch levels.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I remember when the 2013 reboot Tomb Raider sold almost 10 million copies and SE said it underperformed. I think SE are crazy.

 

[nikos]

Time to release it on PC. I’ll buy it again.

 

[Three]

It's a mix of people who don't want a non-turn-based FF to succeed (and thus influence future FF titles in a direction they don't like), and weirdo Xbox influencers who want to gloat over Sony failing at something.

I think the turn based nonsense is mostly an excuse to complain in a somewhat believable critical way about a highly rated game. Especially as some of those same people use FF15 as the best performing FF, not turn based either. Some truly actually prefer turn based, I understand, but it reminds me of the "corridor racer" slights against another game as if there is something intrinsically wrong with what the game is. There isn't anything wrong with an action RPG, I bet they play a lot of those too.

 

[Brock2621]

Finished it last night and absolutely loved it. Was it perfect? No way. But right now it's my top game of 2023 (I haven't played TOTK yet). The spectacle, world building, voice acting just dripped quality. I'm heartbroken it's over right now.

 

[MasterCornholio]

To be fair adamsapple needs to include the original source in the OP.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Next FF should just be Squares take on open world Zelda. Make it more gameplay centric and less story heavy. Then they have a shot at 20 million in sales

 

[Solidus_T]

To be fair adamsapple needs to include the original source in the OP.

He didn't because the source is not from SE. Square Enix called the game an "extreme success" and the sales were within the upper bound of its expectations.

 

[Astray]

I think the turn based nonsense is mostly an excuse to complain in a somewhat believable critical way about a highly rated game. Especially as some of those same people use FF15 as the best performing FF, not turn based either. Some truly actually prefer turn based, I understand, but it reminds me of the "corridor racer" slights against another game as if there is something intrinsically wrong with what the game is. There isn't anything wrong with an action RPG, I bet they play a lot of those too.

As someone who considers FF9 to be the best one overall (about to start playing modded FF7 on Steam soon tho so that can change!), I can't say I completely agree with you.

But I think I accepted that Final Fantasy is now a "pick-and-choose" series since 13 (my god was that awful as fuck! I don't think I hated a game as much as I did with FF13 at the time).

I was eh on 15, but 16 has appealed to me as an action RPG, let's see what 17 brings up.

 

[MasterCornholio]

He didn't because the source is not from SE. Square Enix called the game an "extreme success" and the sales were within the upper bound of its expectations.

I just believe it would be the correct thing to do. Then let people decide if it's valid or not.

 

[SantaC]

Time for PC version to boost some sales.

 

[Three]

As someone who considers FF9 to be the best one overall (about to start playing modded FF7 on Steam soon tho so that can change!), I can't say I completely agree with you.

But I think I accepted that Final Fantasy is now a "pick-and-choose" series since 13 (my god was that awful as fuck! I don't think I hated a game as much as I did with FF13 at the time).

I was eh on 15, but 16 has appealed to me as an action RPG, let's see what 17 brings up.

I do wonder how difficult it would be to have a choice of turn based or action in the battle system of one release to appease both audiences.

 

[L*][*N*K]

Oh no who saw that coming?

 

[Hudo]

I feel like they say this about every game.

Because they do. Square Enix, for some weird reason, always have outrageous sales expectations for their titles.

Edit: But I do agree with the sentiment that this should've been a multiplatform title from day one. Doesn't make sense for Square to act as a second-party when there's more money to be made by being third-party.

 

[LordBlodgett]

I feel like I hear this about nearly ever SE game ever. Seriously how many times have they uttered this exact phrase?

 

[Mr Moose]

I just believe it would be the correct thing to do. Then let people decide if it's valid or not.

We know it isn't valid.