OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Absolutely. It's more dynamic. I literally just came from remake so I'm not going off memories of 4 years ago or anything.
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Final Fantasy VII Rebirth breaks the franchise's single-player game record on Steam
//DEVIL//
Member
No. It doesn't guarantee new sales. But for people without morals and have money. They will be forced to pay for it if they want to play it. Instead of pirating it.
People like that exist.same ideology of "if I can save 50$ and play the game , then buy it later for my collection for 20$ when it's on sale, then why not ? " Kinda attitude
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It'll be on pc. Still no confirmation of an xbox port. So I'm not sure what you're on about.
MMaRsu
Member
If they dont have 50$ to spend now, whats wrong with buying it when its 20$?
Lot of people 'pirate' to test the game out on their system
Some will just play it but never intended to buy it
People who love it will buy it after pirating it.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
Not if the trojan in their pirated version has swiped their card details and drained their account
pudel
Member
The problem is, you might get 10k more buyers with Denuvo and at the same time you fuck off 10k because of Denuvo.
//DEVIL//
Member
If they don't buy it now, it won't reflect on the sales figures in this thread. Which was the whole point of my post. People that say they want to test it are liars. They just don't want to pay for it. If denovo was there. They will be forced to buy it.
I am sorry but I am way anti piracy. You won't convince me otherwise.
Even games like elden ring would have sold way more if it wasn't pirated. Especially among the kids that think they are smart when they think they are saving money by pirating.
Any single player game in my opinion must have an anti piracy mechanism
Peroroncino
Member
Failguard is being used as a recent example, an anchor point of sorts to roughly gauge commercial interest, if I were to use other example, more close to Rebirth's genre, then let's look at remakes of P3 and DQ, which I'm sure both had lower budgets and yet did similar numbers, whereas Metaphor (a game which I'd go on a limb and say had much lower budget than FFVII:R) did twice that. That, and with knowledge that Rebirth underperformed on PS5 where it should've had the biggest splash already, further goes to suggest that those numbers seem less than ideal. I wouldn't go as far as to say it BOMBED on PC, but with all that combined, throwing a parade about franchise records seems premature.
Also, if using steam data, which more often than not proved that higher CCUs lead to more commercially viable/successful products is comically flawed, maybe we should just shudder the entire forum and not talk about anything lol, I mean, what's the point, no official data, no point in discussing - now that's comical. Data exist to be compared, some things can be compared factually, like the fact that it is indeed a "franchise sp record on steam", and some not, like the fact that despite that 'record', its performance might not have been too hot - but it's all worth discussing.
MMaRsu
Member
Really? Because thats exactly what Ive done for many games before buying them from Steam
Just because you're anti piracy is because you seem to have zero understanding of it. Console player, I assume?
Lol, no.
Ready through this thread and you can see how many people download a game just to test it out (because publishers dont make demo's anymore)
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And it isn't a good example because the peak was decent at around 90K. If it had maintained a normal pace, it would have been fine. It didn't, it tumbled, so saying it peaked at less than half of Veilguard's numbers doesn't tell us anything unless we assume its CCU will also plummet like Veilguard.
They're better examples, but once again, they're remakes that came Day 1 to PC. What's most critical for late releases is their ability to sustain steady sales over the years. They won't have massive burst numbers on day 1 like brand new games. HZD only peaked at around 65K and went on to sell well over 3 million on PC. You'd think those numbers were bad if you judged it solely by the peak CCU.
No, using the data in and of itself isn't flawed. The way you used is was because it completely missed the context and just went, "Less than half of Veilguard and Veilguard flopped, therefore FF7 Rebirth flopped too".
40K is simply too nebulous a number without enough concrete data points to truly draw a comparison. It most certainly isn't a smashing success, but it could be decent or even above expectations. All the same, it could be a flop and significantly below what SE expected. There's no way to tell with just the CCU.
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//DEVIL//
Member
Eh . The fact that you have done it doesn't make you did the right thing. I'll just leave it at that.Really? Because thats exactly what Ive done for many games before buying them from Steam
Just because you're anti piracy is because you seem to have zero understanding of it. Console player, I assume?
Lol, no.
No point in arguing with someone who download a pirated game. We done here.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Good to see it beating FFXVI at least. 40K vs 27K.
Even though 40k isn't exactly high for a AAA game. I'll still say it's alright in this case because it released about 1 year later when the momentum and hype have already died down. Not to mention a lot of 1000 card owners couldn't play it compared to FFXVI. So overall if this game was playable on the 1000 series cards like FFXVI and most of the other current gen games and if it was a day 1 PC release when the momentum was still high than it would have done a lot more than this number.
Even though 40k isn't exactly high for a AAA game. I'll still say it's alright in this case because it released about 1 year later when the momentum and hype have already died down. Not to mention a lot of 1000 card owners couldn't play it compared to FFXVI. So overall if this game was playable on the 1000 series cards like FFXVI and most of the other current gen games and if it was a day 1 PC release when the momentum was still high than it would have done a lot more than this number.
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MMaRsu
Member
Your right, why would you want to learn something when you can close those Blinders and pretend your right about everything, you clown ass.
This is a discussion forum, not a bubble forum.
Jesus christ. Instead of trying to learn something and expand your horizons, you're ready to not listen to anyone on the other side of the fence?
Sorry to say but thats just retarded behaviour.
I can also guarantee you I have more games on consoles and Steam than you, legally purchased.
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//DEVIL//
Member
Do not trash the thread with these juvenile spats
Learn from an idiot who admit downloading pirated game ? How about shut the fuck up ?
Lame weak loser
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Cmon
MMaRsu
Member
Holy shit your actually a pathetic child
How triggered are you right now? What a clueless gooner
This you huh
MMaRsu
Member
Yeah you surely cant learn from people who have other viewpoints than you. With a retard brain like yours I dont think you have the ability to learn anything from anyone.
Clueless console Clown
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Bruno_Arrais85
Member
those are bad numbers if you ask me.
MMaRsu
Member
Then you're not paying attention.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No one asked you.
Peroroncino
Member
Saying something must be disappointing is not saying it flopped, you're twisting my words despite me being even more clear in the subsequent post about what I think about the data on display, I'm guessing some personal bias? Well, either way, it's clear you're arguing in bad faith.
GrayChild
Member
People are expecting Final Fantasy to make huge numbers out of nothing?
Face it, FFVII Rebirth is already the best performing non-MMO FF game on Steam with these numbers. You don't cultivate an audience with late and crappy ports, and Square knows it. They are doing the right thing, but it will take them time.
Face it, FFVII Rebirth is already the best performing non-MMO FF game on Steam with these numbers. You don't cultivate an audience with late and crappy ports, and Square knows it. They are doing the right thing, but it will take them time.
//DEVIL//
Member
Triggered ? I am drinking ice capp and enjoying your meltdown.Holy shit your actually a pathetic child
How triggered are you right now? What a clueless gooner
This you huh
The fact you had to do 2 posts showing you lost your brain and it's pretty much melting
Pathetic pirate talking shit and trying to find an excuse of his piracy . Sad loser. That's all to it.
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MMaRsu
Member
Like I said I guarantee I have more legitimate purchased games than you, testing out one or two doesn't make me a loser or a bad person.
Go fuck off and defend the million dollar corporations somewhere else you sad sack of shit.
I feel bad for trying to make you understand that piracy does not equal a bad person or anything like that, but apparantly anyone who ever downloaded something to check if it runs on his system, is a HORRRIBLE PERSON!!! You are a literal retard.
Now, onto the ignore list forever, you chump.
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//DEVIL//
Member
Shifty1897
Member
I mean, PC gamers have never cared about the franchise. Not really. From that angle, these are good launch numbers.
kryptokatalyst
Neo Member
These numbers are great, especially when compared to Remake's numbers. Having enjoyed many past entries on consoles, it's great to see such a good series getting better exposure on PC.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I straight-up said it might range anywhere from exceeding expectations to being a flop. The point being that 40K tells us almost nothing other than that it isn’t a smash hit. If it were 200K, it’d be a massive success. 5K would be an undeniable flop. 40K is somewhere much harder to gauge and there isn’t enough data to even tell if it’s disappointing.
Furthermore, this isn’t factoring how much the port cost. Was it a few millions like Rift Apart that can be recouped within a month of middling sales? Who knows.
My point is: we don’t have enough information to derive anything other than that it isn’t on one extreme or the other.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Yup numbers are decent 12 months out whilst also driving a lot of interest into part 1 which has been gradually selling.
Much higher tham XV, XVI, part 1 and P5.
Whilst not setting the charts on fire they'll see continued interest into both FF7 games going forward and after the final game is out.
Hamaguchi game director also a happy chappy.
Oberstein
Member
DarkstarRising13
Member
Hamaguchi may sound happy about it, but his bosses at Square Enix will say otherwise.
They need to realize that Final Fantasy is no longer the juggernaut it used to be. Due to a myriad of issues that are mostly their fault going back to the 2000s when Hironubu Sakaguchi left the company after the Spirits Within flopped,
they should just consider budgeting the games accordingly if they aren't performing within expectations.
Do a mainline FF with a more reserved AA budget whether it's turn-based or action and see how it does.
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Nickolaidas
Member
Yeah - remember those people who said that Rebirth on PC will sell even LESS than Remake? Where are they now?
Minsc
Gold Member
It's interesting because when Rebirth was reported as selling significantly worse than Remake on PS5, it was being spun as game over. And it still is, ask almost anyone more than a few months ago - they'd surely troll/say whole-heartedly that Part 3's sales will continue and be even worse than Rebirth's failed sales.
Meanwhile, I wonder if that will be true on Steam? Will Part 3 on the PS5 sell worse than Part 2? And on Steam, if it is released simultaneously (or perhaps even if it's not) - would it actually sell even better?
I think what skews people's numbers is when they think of OG FFVII sales, they are grouping a lot of versions together. If you lookup the Wiki on the numbers, the PS1 copies are not some unachievable total, and I still say it's extremely likely that the three-part Remake/Rebirth/Rewhatever will outsell the original - 100% chance of it combined, but perhaps even individually in time.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Perfection.
kiphalfton
Member
VII Remake and XV were disappointing.
Haven't played XVI, but everybody complains about it. Same with VII Rebirth (people saying too many side quests).
So imo there hasn't been a noteworthy FF game in at least 8+ years.
Haven't played XVI, but everybody complains about it. Same with VII Rebirth (people saying too many side quests).
So imo there hasn't been a noteworthy FF game in at least 8+ years.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
Remake was EGS exclusive for a long time. You cannot measure them against each other on PC other than to show how dumb it is to go EGS exclusive.
Nickolaidas
Member
I think the countless GOTY nominations will work on the game's favor. We'll see.
Minsc
Gold Member
You can though. People who buy on Steam are like Nintendo zealots, they will not move to another PC store. They will just wait more or never buy.
Nickolaidas
Member
About six months.
Nickolaidas
Member
Too soon. I expect those to take weeks, because it's more complicated than adding a few lines on an engine.ini file.
Astray
Member
I honestly don't think they cultivated any audience at all in the last decade, maybe even more.
Like even when the franchise went multiplat, they released wildly differing titles that played very differently, and almost all of them are controversial.
I always say this, but look at how Yakuza was cultivated, you got the og beat-em-up games, and the newer turn-based ones, but fans of either never stop being served, and the setting allows for quick releases, we almost get a new Yakuza every 1-2 years now! Square needs to be taking notes.
Kabelly
Member
These are evergreen games. You cannot take these first numbers as a full picture. I want to play these but they are 100+ hour experiences and I just started The Last of Us and Cyberpunk 2077. So many games take so much time now that when a new one comes out it will most likely already be in the backburner.