Punished Miku
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Republican strategy session: "Conservative Christian central American immigrants might come in the country and vote illegally, deport them! Let's give the Canadians citizenship instead."
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Greenland considers joining the United States
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I do not agree with this one bit. Prisoners wouldn't be a slave labor pool if this were true.
ChuckeRearmed
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I don't think prisoners should have that many rights in the first place. Why are the citizens even paying for them? At least with labour they are doing something useful.
Punished Miku
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Revenge should never be a part of a civilized prison system. All the state is doing is removing them from society because they are a danger. They have plenty of rights on the inside, unless you want to just institutionalize torture and neglect as a form of revenge. One of the key ways to measure a society really. Just pick which country you want to go to prison in and it usually says a lot.
so you don't care that much about rights. We call them inalienable rights. Being able to revoke them just means our constitution is a farce. We don't actually practice what we preach.
Felons need to be punished.
sure, slavery is a cruel and unusual punishment, though. There's punishment and then there's cruelty. Either way, inalienable means you shouldn't be able to lose them.
Ironbunny
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Nobody is arguing they should not be? Felon will still be part of the society at some point. How well they integrate back to civilian life with that background is many times dictated by the life served. In good and bad.
diffusionx
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They don't think it be like it is, but it doLatest USA map has dropped
The Constitution doesn’t use the term inalienable rights.
The Declaration of Independence does for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Which of these inalienable rights do you propose we extend to murderers in supermax prison?
sharp weiner
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Hopefully we can snag Scotland. They have some nice castles!
good old stones would be worth thousands of dollars
good old stones would be worth thousands of dollars
Like Russia they undermine and can't improve their own country so have to try to move to a better one.
ChuckeRearmed
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Except time and time again, released prisoners show that they never learn.
I care about rights, but I am not on the side of the criminals - with serious crimes (not the ones who break windows) - should lose their rights. Like if you killed people - what rights do you need aside from a free bullet?
If the country is not doing that, then labour is a good option. For smaller felonies it would make sense to do some public service (like cleaning the streets). Scotland is too left. Pass.
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ChuckeRearmed
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Punished Miku
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A judge assesses their danger to society, and then keeps them separated. That is their punishment. They don't get extra punishments just because. Parole boards assess if they have learned. And yeah, prisoners learn all the time. They literally have access to classes and mental health training. Unless you want to give every prisoner the death penalty, every society is invested in turning people that have committed crime into people safe to re-enter society. Torturing people and ruining their ability to function as a normal person doesn't benefit anyone and really rapidly spins out into large scale state sanctioned torture.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
USA men please peacefully invade Spain and help us get rid of our politicians. This shit is beyond repair, we need to start from scratch.Latest USA map has dropped
demented waffle
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DeepEnigma
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Makoto-Yuki
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no thanks i don't want to be part of the USA
half of us are fiercely proud to be british and the other half want independence from the UK and feel more connected to celtic/scandinavian countries. don't think i've ever heard a scottish person say they want to join the USA lol.
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demented waffle
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no thanks i don't want to be part of the USA
half of us are fiercely proud to be british and the other half want independence from the UK and feel more connected to celtic/scandinavian countries.
That's fine. We mainly only want the western hemisphere anyways.Yes only, were not being greedy or anything.
DeepEnigma
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We already have the Costa Rican brethren in Florida, though they're not nearly as aggressive as the CR kind. Very tame, much like our huntsman & wolf spiders. Still a shock when out for a hike and you round a path and see one staring at you in the face because she decided to make a nice tarp sized web along the path.
Florida is pretty much AUS of the States. Yankstralia? Fitting the shape of the peninsula.
Makoto-Yuki
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i'm not up to clue or will pretend to understand how Trumps mind works but why would USA want greenland? Canada i kinda understand but why greenland?That's fine. We mainly only want the western hemisphere anyways.Yes only, were not being greedy or anything.
demented waffle
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Strategic location and resources.
ChuckeRearmed
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So that's why most (if not all) criminals commit the same crimes post release? Or join the gangs and so on. I could careless how criminals feel to be honest if they are a danger to society.
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Makoto-Yuki
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ok. let greenland / denmark vote on it. just don't invade the country.
diffusionx
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I posted an article about that in this very thread.
Makoto-Yuki
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i'm not gonna go look for it. if you repost it i'll read it.
demented waffle
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Greenland you mean. They have a right to leave Denmark anytime they want. Just give each resident 500,000USD tax free dollars and promises of royalties of all resources and they gone. Won't have to take any military action unless Russia or China move on it.
Pegasus Actual
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It's not enough of a quote. The non-quoted provided context in that Fake News article is intentionally misleading, as it's trying to make 'either one of those two' refer to the economic/military coercion when it's really referring to the countries. It also includes a chopped-up video that doesn't even include the part it quotes in the article.Fine, here:
Trump ramps up threats to gain control of Greenland and Panama Canal
The president-elect said he would not rule out the use of military force to seize control of the Panama Canal and Greenland.www.bbc.com
Enough of a quote for you? Or you could just watch the actual video.
I've also seen the full video and don't agree with your assessment.
Makoto-Yuki
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if they decide to leave then yeah fair enough. i don't know all the details. just said denmark because i know they are part of the kingdom of denmark
Ironbunny
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One of the few ways to fight upcoming resource race with China and ruZZia. Plus America more independent in them. (The irony). Northern routes opening due climate change. (Which is not happening according to maga)
Makoto-Yuki
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do you all want the faroe islands too?
demented waffle
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Climate change is happening. What the contention point is how much of it that humans are doing. Yes, obviously we're speeding it up. But there needs to be real solutions instead of what's being proposed by the enviromentalist. O btw, you might wanna get China and India on board as well. I'm not eating bugs or pluging into a power grid that isn't realiable. Nor anybody else that has sense.
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Punished Miku
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You're just being a moron. These are real people. Each one has a different story, different challenges. You're generalizing a lot. Half the issue with repeat offenders is that they haven't been invested in enough to be able to re-enter society with extremely limited job opportunities, rising cost of everything. A lot of them are discharged to homelessness. Pathologically violent criminals are another matter, and parole boards are supposed to catch that and not release them. It's just logical. This isn't even taking into account falsely accused people that serve time and don't deserve to be tortured. But sure, you're the internet tough guy that wants the west to run prisons like Iran and Russia. Moron.
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ChuckeRearmed
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The last thing person would think while dying after being stabbed would be about "different stories and challenges"
Sorry for not having sympathy to killers and criminals. NYC is a prime example of compassion to criminals
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demented waffle
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do you all want the faroe islands too?
Nah, eastern hemisphere. Like I said, we're not being greedy, we only want half the world.
Cyberpunkd
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Lol, so now we go "America cares the most about rights" but with huge list of exceptions and interpretations?
Prisoners shouldn't have rights? You understand that in vast majority of the world (spoiler: the standard of living is higher there than in the US) the goal of going to prison is to become a better person, not worse?
Or maybe you want to start telling me how a deeply Christian nation is perfectly fine with death sentence?
Jinzo Prime
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Stop electing Socialists.
Ironbunny
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100% this.
Life and pursuit of happiness. I don't believe in capital punishment and prison should be about reintegration into society if possible. They can't be completely free since they must be watched, but they should still have some autonomy and not be forced into something cruel against their will. Treating the incarcerated like monsters and animals only creates them more. Why would they adhere to a system that rejected them outright? They have zero reason to be a functioning member of society under these conditions.
Just because something is allowed doesn't mean it isn't cruel and unusual.
Punished Miku
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You just fundamentally don't understand what corrections is. You're managing actual human beings. It's very easy to break humans and turn them into non-functional monsters. Just neglect alone is enough to destroy someone mentally forever. Is that your plan? What does that even accomplish? Death penalty for everyone who commits any crime?The last thing person would think while dying after being stabbed would be about "different stories and challenges"
TintoConCasera
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I didn't vote for them. Problem is that I don't see any of the other parties being any better.
Might just have to move to Andorra.
demented waffle
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What about cruel and unusual to the victims. Not saying American prison system doesn't need reforms on some counts. It obviously does for those we think that can be reformed. OTOH, there are also cunts who will never be a useful part of society. Their punishment should be extreme in the hope of deterring others.
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diffusionx
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i'm not going to go look for it either.
There is precedence for this. Citizens of Alaska get a dividend on oil royalties every year.
A place like this is going to be dependent on someone no matter what. Greenland cannot exist and defend its territory as an independent nation. So, the question is who. If Greenlanders "want" to be independent and "free", it doesn't matter, because they can't do it.
As always, the question is what is the definition of cruel and unusual.
Putting people who committed crimes to work in order to repay their debts to society has a looooong history. Like thousands of years. I don't think just putting them to work is by itself cruel and unusual. A lot of people including myself, think it is better if they work and contribute something to society than just sit around in a cell.
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ChuckeRearmed
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In what majority of the world? Finland? Because so far the prisons have been used to isolate dangerous elements from the society.
What I find fascinating is how the politics went off rails in all the countries (or almost all the countries) at once.
I don't think christian countries hated burning at stakes, guillotines and hangings at one point
People should be afraid to commit the crime if the education does not provide enough teachings to understand that committing crimes is bad. The world of course is a complex thing and people naturally fight against unfairness (perceived or real) , but that's a separate matter.
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Kacho
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So no answer then. If you're not going to kill them, that means you're planning to release them into society at some point. That means you're investing in corrections programs and basic mental / physical health preservation.
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