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[mayham2199]

Thank you for keeping the Xbox brand strong with your $70 purchase

You mean the Sony brand right? Phil already laid it out for you. Every time they put a game on PS Sony uses that 30% to screw them over. Phil Spencer is the greatest CEO Sony has ever had.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I said more or less the same to him months ago and he blocked me for it

 

[poppabk]

You know who also gets to play it early on game pass and not pay $70?

Yeah but we are paying more for gamepass because of the increased resolution and framerates and the addition of EAplay, right?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Xbox brand strong

 

[Kacho]

I’ll be playing it for free on gamepass day 1, enjoy the wait!!

We’re so fucking back!!

 

[GHG]

The whole "nobody else to blame" thing shows your card here. Where am I talking about shifting blame?

Calm your tits. That was a statement about them, not tied to anything in particular that you said.

I'm here just saying that at this point, it's really the only card they have to play. They tried gimmicks (Kinect), they tried moneyhatting exclusives (Tomb Raider), they tried going the multimedia box route (Xbox One), they tried having the fastest console on the market (Xbox One X), they tried pushing for backwards compatibility and enhancing your old games (Enhanced BC/Auto HDR/Frame Boost/etc..), they tried reeling you into a bargain of a subscription service (Game Pass), they tried eliminating the barrier to entry into their ecosystem (cloud gaming), etc.. etc.. etc.. etc..

They didn't need to do all that nonsense. When all is said and done the most favourably looked upon era of Xbox hardware will be the first half of the 360 era when it was just a no compromises gaming machine and they focused on bombarding us with high quality games, many of which were exclusive (and "moneyhatted") at the time. All they had to do was keep on doing that and just get through the RROD fiasco.

But then they got greedy and saw the success of the Wii and tried to go after that. Instead of making sure Sony were dead and buried they allowed Sony to gain momentum in the second half of that generation because they were attempting to also go after Nintendo at the same time. The rest is history, it's been steadily downhill since then.

In business there's a lot of value in attempting to do one thing and doing it well (and aiming to do it better than anyone else) instead of a scattergun approach which is what they've tried for a decade and a half now.

Everything has failed. No one is buying their hardware. They're seeing the writing on the wall and are pivoting because it's the only way for their brand to be profitable.

Yep, that I agree with.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Don't even feel sorry for them, not one bit.

Why? Because they have been making it abundantly clear that console is no longer their priority for ages now.

Some of their own games (and/or games they have marketing partnerships with) release first on PC.

Gamepass is cheaper on PC, just one tier and you get all the releases, no caveats.

And now they aren't even putting themselves in situations that could potentially maximise sales of their own console hardware.

It's like they are telling people - stop buying Xbox console hardware, we don't want you to. But yet, in some cases these goons have dozens of Xbox consoles in their households (why I don't know) and at this point they are just hanging on to a dead corpse of a console platform.



50 million would usually be fine, but too many people who are buying the hardware aren't buying games, so the whole business model of selling the console at a loss (or at cost as the generation develops) and then making that back via software margins is a bust. And it's a situation they put themselves in, nobody else to blame.

They are now killing Xbox consoles so that gamepass can survive. Without taking losses on console sales and having to deal with vast amounts of R&D CapEx for future hardware their margins will vastly improve.

Here’s what I don’t understand, if they want Gsmepass to survive and their own hardware to decline, what happens if Sony and Nintendo refuse to have Gamepass on their platforms if Microsoft are still making handhelds and niche consoles? Is PC , mobile and Samsung TVs going to be enough?

Think about it, their games are already available on millions of Xbox’s and millions upon millions of PCs and phones. Have they got their act together in that time?

And with all those failures, why have they not fired the leadership teams and brought new , more capable people in?

 

[SkylineRKR]

Exactly. And this is the BIGGEST takeaway from all this.

First, they were pretty coy with their PS5 announcements when they announced Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush.

Doom was announced for PS5 day one but it wasn't on stage. They didn't even show a PS5 logo.

With Indiana Jones, they proudly announced the PS5 port on stage as a "one more thing".

We can all guess the next step: a big Xbox exclusive game to be announced for PS5 for day one.

Yes this is likely. They first started with some smaller and older games and were quite late with confirming the rumors. Now an upcoming new game, and it was quite a big one for MS, is being confirmed for PS5 straight up. Its perfectly possible the next one will be even bigger, like Gears of War.

They are obviously warming their customers up to the fact they will go full multiplatform. It didn't stop with Sea of Thieves and it won't stop with Indy too.

 

[GHG]

But they are still making the next Xbox console which they've said is going to see the biggest generational leap ever. Does this mean it's going to be their Google Stadia with racks of servers providing the computational power for streaming only?

Nobody knows what that's going to mean, but they have a habit of making these open ended PR fluff statements, only to end up disappointing in some way.

Based on what's heavily rumoured they will be going the OEM route, which is effectively offloading the responsibility for hardware on to 3rd parties. What that will mean though is no more subsidies, and for those who want the hardware they are going to have to pay for it on the terms of Asus and the like.

 

[demigod]

How many 10s out of 10 will this game get from you on five playthroughs?

It was 11/10 masterpiece before the announcement.
Now it’s a 7/10.

 

[GHG]

Here’s what I don’t understand, if they want Gsmepass to survive and their own hardware to decline, what happens if Sony and Nintendo refuse to have Gamepass on their platforms if Microsoft are still making handhelds and niche consoles? Is PC , mobile and Samsung TVs going to be enough?

Think about it, their games are already available on millions of Xbox’s and millions upon millions of PCs and phones. Have they got their act together in that time?

And with all those failures, why have they not fired the leadership teams and brought new , more capable people in?

There's another phase in this that people aren't seeing yet. Next year (might be sooner, but I think it will be next year after they have all their games releasing on competing consoles) they will go crying to the EU in an attempt to get Sony and Nintendo to open up the closed nature of their hardware.

If successful then that solves pretty much all of their problems with gamepass from a total addressable market perspective.

 

[Astray]

Nobody knows what that's going to mean, but they have a habit of making these open ended PR fluff statements, only to end up disappointing in some way.

Based on what's heavily rumoured they will be going the OEM route, which is effectively offloading the responsibility for hardware on to 3rd parties. What that will mean though is no more subsidies, and for those who want the hardware they are going to have to pay for it on the terms of Asus and the like.

And you will have to deal with those OEMs (like ASUS) for anything warranty-related etc.

Anyone who wants to buy that new system should consider getting acquainted with Gamers Nexus imo.

Tom Warren says that the PS5 version is expected to launch in April 2025.

Just four months exclusive if true.

They really should have just pushed it to day 1 multiplatform.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Some of you should just be thankful that you have something good to play coming now.

Yes AstroBot comes out in a few weeks chicken

There hasn’t been a single good Xbox exclusive all year to play though sadly. PS5 has had multiple bangers

 

[Yoboman]

The whole damn

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I’ll be playing it for free on gamepass day 1, enjoy the wait!!

I have to pay for my subscription

 

[Yoboman]

PC version will be the definitive version.

No because that requires being a PC gamer

 

[Urban]

 

[Metnut]

PS5/Switch only owner here but this game looks really mid. I hate IP in general and Indy really isn’t an interesting one and is well past its prime.

Glad for PS5 people who want to play this, but I’ll pass. If M$ wants to bring over Avowed or Fable, maybe then I’ll be interested.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

I'm convinced that the only reason this isnt day 1 on PS5 is simply due to more dev time to have the port ready. I dont think any of this is about Xbox exclusivity anymore.

Either way great news. I'll demo it on my XSX and buy it on my PS5 (hopefully Pro by then).

 

[mayham2199]

PS5/Switch only owner here but this game looks really mid. I hate IP in general and Indy really isn’t an interesting one and is well past its prime.

Glad for PS5 people who want to play this, but I’ll pass. If M$ wants to bring over Avowed or Fable, maybe then I’ll be interested.

Same I've honestly never been a huge fan of Indy and he was at his peak in my generation. I didn't even bother with the new movies. The game looks like it could be interesting though from some stuff I've heard about avoiding combat which is something I enjoy in games if done right of course.

 

[Mephisto40]

They don't even make it clear at the end of the trailer what tier of gamepass you need to be subscribed to be able to play it day 1

 

[MrSec84]

I'm convinced that the only reason this isnt day 1 on PS5 is simply due to more dev time to have the port ready. I dont think any of this is about Xbox exclusivity anymore.

Either way great news. I'll demo it on my XSX and buy it on my PS5 (hopefully Pro by then).

That would make sense, though a PS5 version has probably been in development for a while.
Considering how big of a deal this IP is, it's likely a signal that the likes of Starfield, Forza, Halo, Gears, etc will eventually go to PlayStation too.
I've been saying this for a while, development of a version for another ecosystem will require extra effort.

I'm convinced the only reason we aren't hearing about this coming to Nintendo, is because Switch 2 is required to allow that to happen.
When Switch 2 is announced, Bethesda will announce a Switch 2 version.

 

[Bernardougf]

Idiotic. Release it simultaneously or don't release it at all...

Xbros are going to beta test the shit out of the games for playstation

 

[semiconscious]

They don't even make it clear at the end of the trailer what tier of gamepass you need to be subscribed to be able to play it day 1

they're no longer even trying to keep up with themselves...

 

[Havoc2049]

Looks great. I love the Last Crusade and Temple of Doom skins.

 

[Bernardougf]

Holy shit I thought people were joking.. they really did the "wait theres one more thing to share..." with the Ps5 version ... damn.

 

[Rippa]

PS5 port is an intriguing part of Xbox game announcements now.

Welp.

When the future for Xbox is leaving console altogether and just producing software, PlayStation and PC will be their bread and butter.

 

[N30RYU]

Are there more reactions from denial xbox fans?

 

[Topher]

 

[Mownoc]

They don't even make it clear at the end of the trailer what tier of gamepass you need to be subscribed to be able to play it day 1

The CoD trailer in the live show didn't even mention gamepass. Their messaging is so inconsistent.

 

[Rippa]

 

[adamsapple]

Couldn't bring yourself to include PS5 in the title huh?

The topic was made before Keighley pulled that side

 

[Bernardougf]

The Women of Concord?

Ok this one was good.. fucking lol

 

[BbMajor7th]

Jez Corden already confirmed this when he said it wouldn't happen.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Have to agree with Jez

 

[VolticArchangel]

 

[PaintTinJr]

Look I don't have any marching orders like some of the people online but Indy will sell tons more copies now and literally PS players helping fund future Xbox projects

Personally I am glad PS only players get to play it but honestly Indy looks mid at best and I hate that being an older guy who watched all the Indy movies

Still playing it day one on my PC though

I'm not so sure, The business logic behind selling more copies is to release day and date as a multiplat, as user review scores and missing the first offering damage sales, as probably every set of figures shows, which is how broken games have been pushed out on both platforms in the past, because platforms would rather let a game release broken than miss their chance for a big share of the first wave release/

Unless you get a repeat of the Tomb Raider problem of time exclusiveness, it is expected that the biggest sales happen on first wave release, but because this is day and date on gamepass the major buying platform will be absent, and between December and Spring user feedback and it no longer being the new release is a possibility to damage Spring sales on PS5. Meaning that the desire to sell Gamepass subs must be worth more than a potential X number of sales - say 15M - versus Y damaged sales - say 5M between Xbox+PC+late PS5 sales.

As you say the game looks mid (AA) which is a further risk of losing belated PS5 sales, so I actually think the priority with this game is still to use it to retain and sell gamepass subs.

/edit

I guess the other angle is that if the game is considered a banger by the time it comes to PS5, it is in a lul for software hardware after Xmas and will actually be helping sell more PS5 at a weaker yearly period.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It was our fault for thinking Phil meant Starfield and Indy were off limits

 

[Unknown?]

???

Read the thread. No one is jumping from joy or dancing.

Besides, the game looks rather mediocre and hasn't elicited any hype let alone people dancing or celebrating its release date. Really odd post given the way this thread has gone.

Plus it's from a bum IP that has had terrible movies after the trilogy.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Have to agree with Jez

When your One More Thing is an announcement of your biggest year’s exclusive on a rival platform, all that acting as a closure to the biggest show of the summer… Why you even bother? Just shoot the your own platform and announce your quasi-PC with Xbox OS.

I just can’t wrap my head around this. Things must be quite dire at Xbox.

 

[SneakersSO]

How it started:

How it’s going :

So many of the games in Colt's pic are no longer exclusive. Save this for the next few months - it'll get a lot of use.

 

[Fbh]

Cool, I'll check it out when it comes to Ps5 if the comments about it are good.
Wasn't as much into the new Wolfenstein as everyone else but maybe this one will click with me.

 

[adamsapple]

This is gonna have story DLC, don't think any of Machine Games recent games have had story DLC

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

This is gonna have story DLC, don't think any of Machine Games recent games have had story DLC

Both Wolfenstein games have story DLCs, Old Blood is even standalone.

 

[Cyber_hunter026]

But hey it’s just four games right?

 

[solidus12]

That didn’t take long lmao

 

[adamsapple]

Both Wolfenstein games have story DLCs, Old Blood is even standalone.

Standalone separate release, it wasn't DLC with the original game. Not the same thing.

This is more akin to Starfield's expansions or Alan Wake 2's DLC.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Standalone separate release, it wasn't DLC with the original game. Not the same thing.

This is more akin to Starfield's expansions or Alan Wake 2's DLC.

You do know that The New Colossus had literally pack of story missions for new characters, right? They were not great btw.

 

[SneakersSO]

Have to agree with Jez

This is why I have often told folks you need to look at what MS does, not what their execs are paying lip service to. The execs will say anything to appease their audience members. They hate being mocked and shit on.

At the end of the day, they are a business. All of their strategic roads led to this point. Microsoft has spent 6 months basically outlining what the future of 'Xbox' is, but fanboys do not want to accept it. I still see these folks buying into the fantasy that MS is gonna launch a next-gen (no console manufacturer thinks of it this way anymore) and just reset their console position. That is never going to happen. Microsoft is a software company, and they want to make money selling software or services.

 

[solidus12]

Both Wolfenstein games have story DLCs, Old Blood is even standalone.

You’ll have to excuse him. He just started paying attention to Machine Games once they became part of Xbox.