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List of PS5 Pro enhanced games
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This is good to read.
Giallo Corsa
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Playing an action game at 40fps is not worth it, I find it hard to believe that you guys are actually OK with this outcome.Tried the balanced one and while it does look good now, I still couldn't do it since it feels like you're wading through molasses.
Personally, I've settled with perf.mode with the sharpness slider set to 4, after all, we play games, not watch them in still pictures.
Which brings me to :
You know what game really benefits from a Pro patch ?
Lords of the fallen.
Bought it the other day and... friggin' wow, an actual next gen looking game with a good res.upscale and with its framerate ironed out compared to base consoles.
It's not using PSSR but the results are good, I'm actually amazed of how good it looks, absolutely worth it now that's dropped to 27 Eurodollars on the store (especially after receiving tens of patches with QoL and various other fixes/enhancements).
Cheers
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Usually the same people defending 30fps modes in other threads.
Performance mode is not good.
You get more artifacts, worse graphics and more input lag than at 30fps because it's not real 60fps but obtained through frame gen.
PS5 Pro unpatched was also not able to get stable 60fps so you'll get stutters in performance mode as well.
A 40fps mode that sticks to target not only looks much better and PSSR is doing a really good job but it's actually preferable also for people that want proper frame pacing, input lag and overall stable performance.
I'm sure that DF will recommend the balanced mode on PS5 Pro.
Skifi28
Member
40 is much closer to 60 than 30 in the way it feels. It's obviously not ideal, but one could say 60 is not either and 120 is best for action games, as unrealistic as it is on a console. In the end you can only work with what you're given and a pefectly stable 40 with even framepacing is a great compromise.
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Deleted member 848825
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Yeah but it still has some disco light, immersion breaking light flickering in foliage. I think its great that it's not bothering you. But for me I feel people should be aware that noticeable visual issues are still present. Its enough that I'm still shelving it for now.
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TrebleShot
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Perf mode in Wukong is the worst, its basically 30fps but uses frame gen to hit 60 which means it looks smooth but feels like ass.
Giallo Corsa
Member
Shhhhhh,
SKYF@ll
is gonna come out the woodwork with his laughing emojis man 
Also : imagine spending 800€ to play an action game at 40fps and being actually OK with it considering it an upgrade
Ski, i've said before and i'll say it again brother, 40fps is the "proper" 30fps mode for OLED TVs in that it feels like the 30fps of yore on an LCD/Plasma (i.e, no judder).
30fps, on an OLED is a far cry from that 30fps that we've all been accustomed to since the judder due to the near instant response time of OLEDs make it impossible for some individuals (me included) to go back to - for me, it literally feels like you're playing in slow-mo, with added stutter on top and no ammount of in-game motion blur can fix that.
40fps alleviates that problem but it's not that big of an improvement IMO since, again, it feels like going back to the judder-free 30fps of before.
Maybe 40Hz/fps feels better/faster on an LCD screen, i don't know, on OLED though is nothing transformative.
Nothing that you wrote is wrong, just making conversation here about 40fps
Cheers
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Skifi28
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Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?) I'm not on an OLED so I cannot judge the difference. Naturally I've heard of the issue before, but I've also heard other people say it's exaggereated and they can play 30fps just fine. Like many other technical things in the gaming space, it really seems to be up to the individual. I can only speak from my experience where 40fps feels "fine" or "smooth enough" on my screen. I'm afraid I don't even know anyone with an OLED to give it a try. In Wukong's case and having tried all modes, the 60fps one was just not cutting it for me. Putting aside the low resolution and visual noise, the input lag was very noticable and it really messed up with my dodge timing. Honestly, I'd have taken an evenly framepaced 30fps even if they didn't include the 40 one. Obviously this is not what most people spent money on the pro for, but no matter how much you pay (like for an uber PC) broken software with issues will still exist and you can only make the best of it.Ski, i've said before and i'll say it again brother, 40fps is the "proper" 30fps mode for OLED TVs in that it feels like the 30fps of yore on an LCD/Plasma (i.e, no judder).
30fps, on an OLED is a far cry from that 30fps that we've all been accustomed to since the judder due to the near instant response time of OLEDs make it impossible for some individuals (me included) to go back to - for me, it literally feels like you're playing in slow-mo, with added stutter on top and no ammount of in-game motion blur can fix that.
40fps alleviates that problem but it's not that big of an improvement IMO since, again, it feels like going back to the judder-free 30fps of before.
Maybe 40Hz/fps feels better/faster on an LCD screen, i don't know, on OLED though is nothing transformative.
Nothing that you wrote is wrong, just making conversation here about 40fps
Cheers
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Ironically, Spider-Man had judder in Pro Mode on a 32” OLED LG monitor that I bought during Black Friday, leading me to return it for an IPS FALD, where the 40fps mode does indeed feel smooth most of the time.
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Improvements and additions.
[PS5 Pro] Added a new “Balanced” graphics mode. This mode requires compatible displays that can achieve a 120Hz refresh rate. The Balanced mode combines PS5 Pro Quality mode settings including raytracing with Performance mode resolution. This mode targets 40fps.
[PS5 Pro] Slightly adjusted visual settings of the Performance mode to achieve a more consistent framerate.
[PS5 Pro] Quality and Balanced mode: Adjusted Raytracing settings to achieve a less noisy image.
[PS5 Pro] Added an option to toggle PSSR (PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution) On/Off.
Luipadre
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Woah... 40fps mode with RT sounds great. Also curious about how stable the performance mode now.
Skifi28
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Time stamped link doesn't work for some reason, sorry.
New DF Direct out and they talk about (among other things) Avatar and Star Wars updates.
FSR3 is notably better than PSSR in Avatar, and Outlaws both.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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The point is it could be a lot better
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Yes! Im very happy with Balanced mode for Wukong ....it looks slightly better than pre-patched Quality mode and has a better framerate (is it 40 fps or higher?)
I only play 40fps or 60fps. Don't choose 30fps anymore. To me 40fps feels closer to 60fps. Prefer 60fps but 40fps works for me depending on the game.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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Does Outlaws have more shimmer/flicker now than it used to prior to the Pro, even with FSR in Quality mode?
That would mean they introduced it into the code ...ughh...that sounds like Silent Hill 2 which is a mess now even in Quality mode
Brigandier
Member
Was Silent Hill 2 forgotten about on pro? I am a bit behind the news with pro patches.
Last I heard was SH2 was shit and broke so PSSR was disabled, Space Marine update is meh and AW2 was meh and I see that now has options to disable PSSR.
I take it some devs can't get their heads around PSSR?.
I have already cleared Space Marine but I want to play much more of that and I'm waiting to dive in with the other two, Should I just start them and forget about them being great "pro" games??
Last I heard was SH2 was shit and broke so PSSR was disabled, Space Marine update is meh and AW2 was meh and I see that now has options to disable PSSR.
I take it some devs can't get their heads around PSSR?.
I have already cleared Space Marine but I want to play much more of that and I'm waiting to dive in with the other two, Should I just start them and forget about them being great "pro" games??
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
SIlent Hill 2 is in a league of its own right now as far as bad Pro patches. What's worse, the devs have been "silent" when it comes to communication, unlike Remedy and Ubisoft who are both making strides in improving/fixing their games. Space Marine 2 isn't a bad update though i personally find it underwhelming but many people seem to be very happy with it.
Silent Hill 2 is a flickering, noisy mess on Pro esp in Quality mode
wizaga
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40 fps on an oled is good/much better than 30 fps on an oled(have a E9 65" and g3 65"), but on a Led it is so much better, borderline amazing. I have a 85" x95l and choose 40 fps in every game i can (30 fps looks ok on an led) but 40 is just amazing. Hope more games support it in the future
Brigandier
Member
Thanks for the reply, Sounds like false advertising on the SH2 PSN page then!!!
Guess I'll start AW2 first, I'm not very impressed with these devs who can't work with PSSR.
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So PSSR added some shimmer to grass and may have also contributed to some texture flicker (like it cant decide which texture to use on very occasional specific objects). When you disable PSSR and engage FSR 3, you loose those issues (didn't fully test texture flicker) and the game also looks sharper. However you then with FSR introduce colour banding on skies.
As mentioned in the last patch notes that they are still working on. You still have foliage light flickering which is really distracting (not to be confused with shimmering). And that is present in all modes including the base PS5 ones. So PSSR did add some issues, but the game has its own issues outside of PSSR too. Once they fix the foliage issue, thankfully mentioned in the patch notes, then it'll be good I reckon. Though its never going to be amazing visually imo and that isn't the Pro's fault.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Nonsense. 30fps is perfectly fine on oled . Finished ff16 just fine.Shhhhhh,
Also : imagine spending 800€ to play an action game at 40fps and being actually OK with it considering it an upgrade
Ski, i've said before and i'll say it again brother, 40fps is the "proper" 30fps mode for OLED TVs in that it feels like the 30fps of yore on an LCD/Plasma (i.e, no judder).
30fps, on an OLED is a far cry from that 30fps that we've all been accustomed to since the judder due to the near instant response time of OLEDs make it impossible for some individuals (me included) to go back to - for me, it literally feels like you're playing in slow-mo, with added stutter on top and no ammount of in-game motion blur can fix that.
40fps alleviates that problem but it's not that big of an improvement IMO since, again, it feels like going back to the judder-free 30fps of before.
Maybe 40Hz/fps feels better/faster on an LCD screen, i don't know, on OLED though is nothing transformative.
Nothing that you wrote is wrong, just making conversation here about 40fps
Cheers
Just don’t disable motion blur. It’s there for a reason
Complistic
Member
"30fps is fine so long as you can't see anything when the camera moves"
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Nonsense. Motion blur is always needed unless you have like 240hz/fps.
30 and 60fps is not enough to convey smooth motion. You need to cheat with motion blur.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Let's be honest. 30 sucks on OLEDs. Bad motion blur makes it particularly terrible. 40 is MUCH better.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
30fps is atrocious on OLED.
omegasc
Member
I don't think they'll update Remake with PSSR, but I wish they at least allowed it to go up to 4K.
paolo11
Member
I do pray so. Performance mode looks nice but it’s not as nice as Rebirth Pro mode. I know it can run 4k on performance mode.
omegasc
Member
yeah but the thing is, if they were going to do it, they would have done it in the last update.
Giallo Corsa
Member
Rofif, we've been through this 3-4 times already and all of them we disagreed
Gotta say though, for as tech savvy as you appear to be (and are), I find the fact that you you're OK with 30fps on OLED to be mind boggling to say the least.
And no, in-game motion blur does exactly fuck and all to alleviate the problem.
Again, I'm talking specifically about OLED screens, 30fps on LED/LCD is still acceptable due to their inherent lower response time and blur.
Cheers.
PS: It's okay to agree to disagree
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Top tier LCD's also look shit at 30fps too. It aint just OLED's anymore.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
All i know is i can actually time my dodges now in wukong .. shame they couldn't get the visuals of balanced mode runnung at 60 in wukongShhhhhh,
Also : imagine spending 800€ to play an action game at 40fps and being actually OK with it considering it an upgrade
Ski, i've said before and i'll say it again brother, 40fps is the "proper" 30fps mode for OLED TVs in that it feels like the 30fps of yore on an LCD/Plasma (i.e, no judder).
30fps, on an OLED is a far cry from that 30fps that we've all been accustomed to since the judder due to the near instant response time of OLEDs make it impossible for some individuals (me included) to go back to - for me, it literally feels like you're playing in slow-mo, with added stutter on top and no ammount of in-game motion blur can fix that.
40fps alleviates that problem but it's not that big of an improvement IMO since, again, it feels like going back to the judder-free 30fps of before.
Maybe 40Hz/fps feels better/faster on an LCD screen, i don't know, on OLED though is nothing transformative.
Nothing that you wrote is wrong, just making conversation here about 40fps
Cheers
Thanks. Hmm ...sounds like FSR at 40 fps will give visuals on the same level as pre-,pssr patch? Is there a DRS benefit at least? ...if it's not getting DRS gains that would mean "side grade" Pro patch. One that's not benefitting from the extra 40% gpu or the better RT of the Pro. On PC, at higher resolutions this game is absolutely stunning.
I played this initially on SX at 30 fps and I was really impressed. The game uses 3 different types of RT and the Global illum was really impactful in cities and indoors. I wouldve been happy if PSSR could've achieved Fidelity mode-like visuals at 1440p upscaled to 4k, while keeping those settings at 60 fps.
The cost of PSSR being so high is I believe why my expectations were not met. I really don't see how thats the devs fault though. Think about it, if they could they would be rendering Outlaws from a higer base resolution which would've prevented the pssr shimmer ...same thing with Avatar.
If AC Shadows comes out and is free of the pssr artifacts whilw at a similar base resolution that would certainly lend credence to the theory that it's the devs fault
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Square needs to update FF16 already!
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It's fine with motion blur. Id does fuck all if you turn it to minimum or if it's sooo light like in rebirth.Rofif, we've been through this 3-4 times already and all of them we disagreed
Gotta say though, for as tech savvy as you appear to be (and are), I find the fact that you you're OK with 30fps on OLED to be mind boggling to say the least.
And no, in-game motion blur does exactly fuck and all to alleviate the problem.
Again, I'm talking specifically about OLED screens, 30fps on LED/LCD is still acceptable due to their inherent lower response time and blur.
Cheers.
PS: It's okay to agree to disagree
Of course it's rough without it.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I don't understand this. I truly don't. And apparently you neither. Motion blur is good. It's a positive effect.30fps+OLED+Motion Blur
How can it be more acceptable on lcd?
Oled is way way faster. With good motion blur it should be better and it is for me.
You think it's terrible because you are used to 60fps and that's fine.
But 100% if you took that oled tv back to 2008 and played 30fps game on lcd tv and played 30fps on oled, it would be 10x better on oled.
There is some more judder because of no motion persistence but I've only seen it with slow camera pans in movies. In games with motion blur, not so much.
I even replied Lost PLanet on actual 360. That is a 30fps game with AWESOME motion blur and it was fine. Probably played better and more responsive than on any lcd tv back in the day.
No input lag or pixel response lag from the tv.
SEGAvangelist
Member
This game really needs it.
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Deleted member 848825
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You're losing me with some of this I'm afraid. The 60fps quality mode with FSR selected is better than the base PS5's performance mode. There however remains another glaring issue, which has nothing to do with PSSR and that issue is visible in ALL modes.
My understanding: AC Shadows uses Anvil and has nothing to do with Snowdrop. Its also a different team. The previously released Mirage, now uses PSSR and has none of the issues shown in Snowdrop.
mayham2199
Member
Yea they should update it. I don't care much as I finished the game and got the plat already but still for my homies out there still waiting it should be done.
Good luck with that. The game received 2 DLCs and no signs they would be releasing any patches. Even the standard PS5 version is fucking blurry.
omegasc
Member
I don't think there is much they can do... using PSSR with the low resolutions the game goes to (perf mode) isn't an ideal scenario right now. And I don't think they will further optimize it... the game uses FSR 1, doesn't it?
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Deleted member 848825
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This type of take has been debated over and over ad infinitum across multiple forums over many years. The fundamental reason why you'll never get everyone agree. Is because motion is very much a personal preference thing with individual sensitivities. This is why different people will always have different interpolation and judder settings for movies. Also depending on how your TV handles motion resolution. Adding things like BFI into the mix can also add differing amounts of value to an end user.
FWIW I have had 5 OLED's since 2017 and still have one today. And when I switched from an 83" C1 to my Z9 85" Bravia, I noticed no change in motion or pixel response. Its a very quick panel. Yet I had a monitor from a few years ago where by smearing and blur was terrible.