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[CrimsonFist]

I haven't decided yet, but I dunno about Flush. He's working.

Re: that post - it's interesting because it's about bussing (and voting for other reasons) but also a point at which Sorian seems to be lightly shading Crimson, if I'm reading it correctly, but again he's never voted there.

My recollection was that Sorian basically wrote me in as confirmed town for the first half of the game.

I read that day 2 post as less shade on me, for the aforementioned reason, and more potentially trying to dissuade voting on Kitsune, which was part of the reason I was scum reading him before his role claim.

 

[Sorian]

We weren't silenced, for the record. First post was on day start too.

Did you post this expecting no one would would follow the link back? That first post isn't on day start at all, it's clearly after Kark had already claimed to be silenced. Even irnoging that for a second, why does this matter? If we think scum was silenced and know what the silencing entailed, would't they just go out of their way to mention they were talking to each other?

is that vote real?

Do you have anything to add?

I haven't decided yet, but I dunno about Flush. He's working.

Re: that post - it's interesting because it's about bussing (and voting for other reasons) but also a point at which Sorian seems to be lightly shading Crimson, if I'm reading it correctly, but again he's never voted there.

It is light shade against Crimson, yes, it's more shade against the idea that people were trying to get multiple little wagons going instead of letting Kitsune and Ouro stay front runners.

 

[Royal_Flush]

Why is there no pushback away from Crimsonphia? I don't like this at all. Not even they themselves are pushing properly. Has everybody given up or is this a supreme bus?

 

[Sorian]

Why is there no pushback away from Crimsonphia? I don't like this at all. Not even they themselves are pushing properly. Has everybody given up or is this a supreme bus?

I said as much earlier before I went to bed. I think bus is in motion and the last scum is just hoping to come out of today looking better than anyone else.

 

[Natiko]

Why is there no pushback away from Crimsonphia? I don't like this at all. Not even they themselves are pushing properly. Has everybody given up or is this a supreme bus?

I mean Sophia/Crim aren't arguing for their own lynch and are instead advocating a different one. Kark hasn't even shared his thoughts. Monkey has seemed open to just about anything.

 

[hey_monkey]

Two things:

Your partner is Sophia. I know she takes meticulous notes. Beyond just meta reasons about her note-taking, we've SEEN her post some meticulous notes earlier in this game. So we can all assume she's taking good notes.

So you guys seriously didn't catch anything of what we said about our role? Asking us to claim now feels disingenuous, when we think we've made ourselves pretty clear. Thus, I detect lies.

What do you hope to accomplish by us claiming, anyway? Hoping we're secretly Cops and caught the killers? Or hoping we say just the right thing to get mislynched? We are way too close to losing here to ponder these meaningless questions. So what's the real intention?

This and the post that preceded were pretty dramatic. Just a straight up YOU ARE LYING. Why? What did you hope to accomplish? Where are your thoughts today?

Second: I'm gonna WIFOM for a minute. I know, I know, roll your eyes, sigh exasperatedly at monkey. But. Cutting out all real life or any other reasons for not voting, Sophist didn't vote a LOT. Wouldn't their scum partners freak out about that? Especially if they were Sawrian. xKark I can see being more laid back and half of Natiko Sparks certainly. But if Sawrian is the partner, why would they not be like DUDES, PLEASE JUST VOTE FOR SOMEONE. Because not voting so much looks, uh, non-townie from over here in my corner.

 

[Royal_Flush]

I mean Sophia/Crim aren't arguing for their own lynch and are instead advocating a different one. Kark hasn't even shared his thoughts. Monkey has seemed open to just about anything.

Of course they are in favor of another lynch. But they are not kicking and screaming and digging up questionable arguments to stay alive. It all feels so half-hearted...

I have no clue what Kark's deal is, but he sure as hell doesn't seem particullary opposed to a Sophia lynch.

Monkey and I are completely lost. I can think of good reasons why every single pair in this game is Scum. Sawrian is one big cask of WIFOM. The XBro slip on D2 plus Kark doing nothing again. Nomadic Sparks doing nothing and you really trying to control the conversation. And I also don't really disagree with your case against Crimsonphia.

 

[Natiko]

Two things:



This and the post that preceded were pretty dramatic. Just a straight up YOU ARE LYING. Why? What did you hope to accomplish? Where are your thoughts today?

Second: I'm gonna WIFOM for a minute. I know, I know, roll your eyes, sigh exasperatedly at monkey. But. Cutting out all real life or any other reasons for not voting, Sophist didn't vote a LOT. Wouldn't their scum partners freak out about that? Especially if they were Sawrian. xKark I can see being more laid back and half of Natiko Sparks certainly. But if Sawrian is the partner, why would they not be like DUDES, PLEASE JUST VOTE FOR SOMEONE. Because not voting so much looks, uh, non-townie from over here in my corner.

I've only been neutral with Sorian, but we did have a private chat and I can tell you he never once tried to dictate how I should play.

 

[Sawneeks]

Why is there no pushback away from Crimsonphia? I don't like this at all. Not even they themselves are pushing properly. Has everybody given up or is this a supreme bus?

I mean, Sophia is pushing back at Natiko and both you and Monkey seem to be rather open to lynching anybody right now. Not to mention Kark/Xbro haven't really even shared their thoughts so I wouldn't be surprised if Scum are trying to figure out how to bus right now and make it look good or are milling around and hoping a Townie brings up another train to jump on.

 

[Sorian]

I've only been neutral with Sorian, but we did have a private chat and I can tell you he never once tried to dictate how I should play.

This, take the explanation or leave it but I don't try to change someone's style of play, I just react and adapt to them.

 

[Natiko]

Of course they are in favor of another lynch. But they are not kicking and screaming and digging up questionable arguments to stay alive. It all feels so half-hearted...

I have no clue what Kark's deal is, but he sure as hell doesn't seem particullary opposed to a Sophia lynch.

Monkey and I are completely lost. I can think of good reasons why every single pair in this game is Scum. Sawrian is one big cask of WIFOM. The XBro slip on D2 plus Kark doing nothing again. Nomadic Sparks doing nothing and you really trying to control the conversation. And I also don't really disagree with your case against Crimsonphia.

Does it really feel like I'm trying to control the conversation? I don't think I've ever discouraged a topic from being discussed. If I'm continuing to come off like an asshole then I apologize. I don't know how else to put it other than I have had Sophia/Crim as my top scum read for at least three day phases now. This is do or die time though and I strongly believe this to be the right move so I'm arguing for it. I'm not going to be passive at this critical junction.

 

[Sophia]

Did you post this expecting no one would would follow the link back? That first post isn't on day start at all, it's clearly after Kark had already claimed to be silenced. Even irnoging that for a second, why does this matter? If we think scum was silenced and know what the silencing entailed, would't they just go out of their way to mention they were talking to each other?

Did I say anywhere that I didn't expect someone to follow the link back? Why the fuck do you think I would link and not expect that? Do you take me for an idiot or something, Sorian? I'm aware it's after Kark claimed, it's still on the first day of that day phase. It was linked merely to give hey_monkey some more information to go on.

Why is there no pushback away from Crimsonphia? I don't like this at all. Not even they themselves are pushing properly. Has everybody given up or is this a supreme bus?

There's no pushback away from me and Crimson because we're town, at least one scum pair is hidden pretty well, and the air in our love boat is one of defeat right now. I haven't been able to think straight since Day 4, and Crimson's at an impasse in regards to figuring out who's scum.

The two pairs we're thinking of right now involve Sorian/Sawneeks and either Natiko/Nomadic and Xbro/Kark, and we're uncertain beyond that. I'm honestly kind of surprised that there's even a discussion to lynch someone else other than Sorian and Sawneeks after Ty4on and Trigger flipped yet another power role, but here we are with Natiko leaning towards me and Crimson with "100%" certainty.

Meanwhile we've got Xbro and Kark, who are just sitting on the sidelines doing jack shit for this day phase. We've got Natiko whom I'm increasingly worried is a tunneling townie. Then there's Nomadic, who has not contributed a single ****ing thing today, and has barely contributed at all this game. To say nothing of the fact that he has apparently forgotten how to vote on top of that, despite six days of gameplay already.

The only person who seems to be making any effort into figuring out who the remaining scum team might be is hey_monkey, and while I admire her efforts, I've honestly stopped caring. I'm getting visibly upset reading this thread anyhow, so I'm out.

 

[Natiko]

I'm sorry if you're feeling frustrated, but when you admit to doing very little yourself in the way of scum hunting, undermine the effort I've put in, and then outright disregard the effort monkey has put in it's not going to give us a change of heart. I've also fallen for the emotional plea too many times (including in spectacular fashion as a sub in that MU qualifier game) to let it change my mind based solely on that.

 

[Xbro]

Currently Sophia/Crimson. But I've not got time to go back and look over what I wanted to yesterday so that may change.

Also I would like to see this question answered by Royal, Kark, and Xbro.

CrimsonSophia > Sawrian > NatikoSparks > Royal_monkey

Sawrian I'm still not as sure about because FEP's last stand didn't seem like scum v scum to me, but it could have simply been excellent coordination on their part. Natiko is tunneling pretty hard right now and I can't imagine a scum would go this far, unless of course it's a bus and he wants to come out on top in everyone's eyes. And Royal_monkey silenced us, which I can't really imagine is a scum power.

 

[Sophia]

I'm sorry if you're feeling frustrated, but when you admit to doing very little yourself in the way of scum hunting, undermine the effort I've put in, and then outright disregard the effort monkey has put in it's not going to give us a change of heart. I've also fallen for the emotional plea too many times (including in spectacular fashion as a sub in that MU qualifier game) to let it change my mind based solely on that.

Are you for real right now, Natiko? Where did I say this? Where the FUCK did I just say this? You know what? Nevermind. I'm out. This will probably be the last game of Mafia I play.

 

[Natiko]

Are you for real right now, Natiko? Where did I say this? Where the FUCK did I just say this? You know what? Nevermind. I'm out. This will probably be the last game of Mafia I play.

Er...

The only person who seems to be making any effort into figuring out who the remaining scum team might be is hey_monkey, and while I admire her efforts, I've honestly stopped caring. I'm getting visibly upset reading this thread anyhow, so I'm out.

This reads to me like you disregarding them.

 

[hey_monkey]

My recollection was that Sorian basically wrote me in as confirmed town for the first half of the game.

I read that day 2 post as less shade on me, for the aforementioned reason, and more potentially trying to dissuade voting on Kitsune, which was part of the reason I was scum reading him before his role claim.

Why didn't you push him then?

 

[Sorian]

We weren't silenced, for the record. First post was on day start too.

Did I say anywhere that I didn't expect someone to follow the link back? Why the fuck do you think I would link and not expect that? Do you take me for an idiot or something, Sorian? I'm aware it's after Kark claimed, it's still on the first day of that day phase. It was linked merely to give hey_monkey some more information to go on.

So first the post is at day start and now it's first post just happened at some point during the first day of the day phase?

Yeah, I can do without the faux anger and the moving of goalposts.

 

[hey_monkey]

Whoa, just caught up and what on earth is happening here?

 

[CrimsonFist]

Why didn't you push him then?

I did at the start of day 4, although of course they claimed later on into that day

 

[CrimsonFist]

Is anyone else feeling increasingly uneasy about Xbrodor? I almost want to say that they feel like scum who know they're unlikely to be lynched today so are just hovering around and not really trying.

But then they've basically been doing this all game.

 

[Sorian]

Is anyone else feeling increasingly uneasy about Xbrodor? I almost want to say that they feel like scum who know they're unlikely to be lynched today so are just hovering around and not really trying.

But then they've basically been doing this all game.

Obviously, yes, I pointed that out earlier already

 

[hey_monkey]

I did at the start of day 4, although of course they claimed later on into that day

Did the claim change your mind?

 

[Natiko]

Cricket

 

[hey_monkey]

Huh weird. I thought I had posted something about XKark. Anyway, Sorian, Crimson- that's all well and good but then who was silenced with them?

 

[Sorian]

Huh weird. I thought I had posted something about XKark. Anyway, Sorian, Crimson- that's all well and good but then who was silenced with them?

Crimson and Sophia, I also already said that earlier too in my bigger post from last night. I think they got "stuck" on the kitsune vote after bussing a little bit early. They never had good opportunity to jump off of it or it would have looked terrible later.

 

[hey_monkey]

I'll go revisit that - may have missed some nuance.

 

[Sawneeks]

5. Crimsonphia & hey_Flush - Not an impossible boat. Flush doesn't interact with them a whole lot and they've sort of kept their distance. Sophia was semi-skeptical of Royal/Monkey's claim but it didn't go into much. One point for this group here as well is how Monkey votes for Ty, for rather similar reasons to Sophia/Crimson but just a difference of logic, and then quickly backs down from them after Ty flips. Can just be Monkey playing into the 'skeptical' card and hoping the heat from Crimson/Sophia dissipates as they flop to a new target? Although I feel like if this pair were the case then Monkey/Royal could just jump on Sorian and I and push there unless they didn't feel they could get more votes for it?

6. Crimsonphia & XKark - Crimson/Sophia just kind of straight ignore Kark's gambit on Day 1 and don't comment on it ( unless I missed it ). Also just a lot of 'not sure how to read them' which has been the hallmark of this boat, though it's sometimes followed by a 'I guess I don't get scum vibes from them' post.. I still think here that if Crimson/Sophia is Scum then Kark tried to save them and lynched Ty instead. Don't believe XKark really push towards Crimson/Sophia at all either throughout the game, even the Day where they are a lynch candidate they just sort of steps around most of the conversations and only focus on Ty. They've also been absent today too and haven't given much of their thoughts except for a weird argument from Kark that came out of nowhere and then went nowhere. Attempts at distancing?

7. Crimsonphia & Natiko Sparks - Nothing really changed from the above, just have a hard time overall seeing Natiko buss Sophia this hard. Also this latest argument and the one on Day 2 is very, uh, aggressive and vocal and I'm not sure if W/W would be that openly angry at each other. Meta I guess but I'm not seeing it...

8. hey_Flush & XKark - Already said this is extremely doubtful but Royal also votes Kark on Day 1 and pushes him up to 3 and is then tied for top. Was also rather indifferent at the end of Day 1 and makes a small manifesto against Vere. Considering how close Kark was to being lynched and how he pushed him up it wouldn't make sense if they were both Scum. 99% confident here they aren't both Scum.

9. hey_Flush & Natiko Sparks - Royal and Natiko have a bit of an argument on Day 1 surrounding Nomad but it didn't really go anywhere? It just kinda disappears after a while. Natiko scum read Royal/Monkey going into Day 4 ( day after they claim btw ) but after Sorian and I claim he just quickly backs down on it. Not sure if he posted earlier why he scum read them, I only really saw a post shortly after Royal/Monkey claimed where he thought they were trying to save a Scum!Ouro but that's it? So I don't really know why he went into that Day still thinking they were Scum. Even by Day 5 Royal still has Nomad/Natiko as nulls and the two boats just...don't interact much.

10. XKark & Natiko Sparks - Natiko gives Kark as an option of who he'd vote for on Day 1 but never interacted much with him and says it's a low-info lynch and would rather move elsewhere. Stayed on Ouro/KK at Day End despite XKark being a leading lynch and never really jumped over to Orb, kinda odd if they were Scummates. Other than that there really isn't much of anything between these two that I saw. Natiko did come in today and defended XKark out of the blue though so...there's that. But there's just a lack of stuff here.

SO given this plus all my reads I think the remaining boat is likely Crimson/Sophia & Kark/Xbro for reasons given. Royal/Monkey & Crimson/Sophia are also entirely possible as well given Monkey's back down from Sophia/Crimson and her general explanations on voting Ty over them which I'm still rather iffy on. But, again, I still feel like if this was the team at play then I don't see why they don't just double-team and jump on Sorian and I for the heinous act of being alive and score the mislynch there instead of having Monkey wave around so much. I can only see this if they believed they couldn't sway Natiko/Nomad and wanted Royal/Monkey to try and get another lynch going and waiting before bussing to read the thread. A Royal/Monkey & Natiko/Nomad Scum Team is also possible just given their weird interactions but given their overall play I don't think that's the case? I'd be highly impressed if they do end up being Scum just by how well they're faking a Town game as I feel rather good about Natiko and Monkey especially.

The team I just really, really don't think is at play is Kark/Xbro & Royal/Monkey and Crimson/Sophia & Natiko/Nomad. Every other team is somewhere between these two.

 

[hey_monkey]

5. Crimsonphia & hey_Flush - Not an impossible boat. Flush doesn't interact with them a whole lot and they've sort of kept their distance. Sophia was semi-skeptical of Royal/Monkey's claim but it didn't go into much. One point for this group here as well is how Monkey votes for Ty, for rather similar reasons to Sophia/Crimson but just a difference of logic, and then quickly backs down from them after Ty flips. Can just be Monkey playing into the 'skeptical' card and hoping the heat from Crimson/Sophia dissipates as they flop to a new target? Although I feel like if this pair were the case then Monkey/Royal could just jump on Sorian and I and push there unless they didn't feel they could get more votes for it?

9. hey_Flush & Natiko Sparks - Royal and Natiko have a bit of an argument on Day 1 surrounding Nomad but it didn't really go anywhere? It just kinda disappears after a while. Natiko scum read Royal/Monkey going into Day 4 ( day after they claim btw ) but after Sorian and I claim he just quickly backs down on it. Not sure if he posted earlier why he scum read them, I only really saw a post shortly after Royal/Monkey claimed where he thought they were trying to save a Scum!Ouro but that's it? So I don't really know why he went into that Day still thinking they were Scum. Even by Day 5 Royal still has Nomad/Natiko as nulls and the two boats just...don't interact much.

Huh to the bolded? I was the driving force behind the Ty stuff, to my shame, but this makes it sound like I'm following someone else? Am I reading this wrong?

As for the second bold, Natiko and I have been talking nonstop throughout endgame.

Some other questions, too: are you saying that Natiko asking if xKark would really get behind a racohrs lynch is a defense of them? Almost the only non-objective fact here that I agree with is that Kark's weird attack against Sophist went nowhere and seemed to mean nothing, but you're sure packing a lot of loaded words into this.

 

[Karkador]

Still need to know if that vote was real

 

[Burbeting]

Still need to know if that vote was real

No. It's not counted.

 

[Karkador]

Sigh

You'd think someone would know how to vote on the last day of the game

 

[Karkador]

So I WAS gonna ask, why the game isn't immediately turboed and over right now, if Town had been voted.

 

[hey_monkey]

Sawneeks, I'm looking back and I'm seeing two things, consistent with my memory:

1) I shaded both you guys and Sophist approximately equally, which is how I've felt all endgame. I think you two are the likeliest scum candidates, but there's reasons for and against.

2) most of my considerations on this are based off vote patterns, team likelihood, and information to be gained from a flip - which I also assigned to both teams relatively equally.

If anything, I've been the person pushing the idea that Sophist might not be scum, far more than I ever pushed the idea that they aren't. I see potential there but also things I can't explain and those give me doubts. That's been pretty consistent. Honestly, I wish I felt more strongly about a team here, considering the deadline is coming up, but I have a great deal of doubt on all sides.

 

[hey_monkey]

So I WAS gonna ask, why the game isn't immediately turboed and over right now, if Town had been voted.

My guess is anyone who isn't Nomadic who votes before nearer the end of the day phase will garner some suspicion. Which is kind of silly, really, since it's obvious how some teams feel.

 

[Karkador]

My guess is anyone who isn't Nomadic who votes before nearer the end of the day phase will garner some suspicion. Which is kind of silly, really, since it's obvious how some teams feel.

Why does Nomad get this exemption again?

 

[hey_monkey]

Why does Nomad get this exemption again?

Technically at this point he shouldn't, but he's never shown any inclination toward falling in with the GAFia meta, which, I mean, fine. Just something to take into consideration as with any play tic.

Are you gonna answer my question from above now?

 

[Natiko]

So I WAS gonna ask, why the game isn't immediately turboed and over right now, if Town had been voted.

His vote, even if it had counted, would still only be one. Scum need two Town votes on town to turbo.

Why does Nomad get this exemption again?

I chastised him for voting publicly, but nomad is gonna Nomad. You don't even know the half of it lol

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

DAY 7 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:


No active vote for Day 7: CrimsonFist, hey_monkey, Karkador, Natiko, Nomadic Sparks, Royal_Flush, Sawneeks, Sophia, Sorian, Xbro

Day 7 Postcount: CrimsonFist 13, hey_monkey 33, Karkador 8, Natiko 35, Nomadic Sparks 3, Royal_Flush 5, Sawneeks 13, Sophia 17, Sorian 14, Xbro 7


Day 7 ends:

Automated vote tally here

6 votes for majority

 

[Karkador]

Two things:

This and the post that preceded were pretty dramatic. Just a straight up YOU ARE LYING. Why? What did you hope to accomplish? Where are your thoughts today?

My thoughts today are summed up by "holy shit", as I've never made it this far into a mafia game and this last day is a difficult feat to accomplish. This is kind of like at the end of Reservoir Dogs, when everyone has a gun pointed at someone else.

What did I hope to accomplish? If I was blunt about that remark, it's that I am not really in the mood for subtle jabs and white lies today. I saw a thing and I bit, perhaps a little hard. I'm honestly wishing we can just get to a consensus soon, because the tension is making this slightly not-fun.

 

[hey_monkey]

I'm gonna try a different tactic to see if it helps with the pairs for me. Here are the reasons I WOULD vote for each of the remaining teams (and then maybe I will do a would not):

Natiko Sparks:
Nomad's behavior is a little different than before. Not much. But slightly. Though I'm not sure I'd judge based on that. Natiko is being the perfect townie, though. But even that feels like it could be a ploy because obviously someone's sneaky here. Still, these are very small reasons in the grand scheme.

Sawrian:
While the town roleblocker is not an impossible claim, boy have I been burned before in believing the less possible. Sorian has voted a whole lot of people, but not everyone he's shaded or labeled scum, especially Sophist. Sawneeks similar. They're also just both being so darn reasonable and I've seen Sawneeks, at least, do that beautifully as scum. They're opportunistic and framing it as scumhunting. They may be scumhunting and may just be playing us like fiddles.

XKark:
There’s been very little scumhunting from this pair as we’ve moved into end game. Some small strikes but nothing substantial. Honestly, even though they’ve voted and been technically present all game, what have they done that’s memorable besides exist? Not even claim, not until someone spoke to them specifically, and then Kark made a big deal out of it that’s gone nowhere. Xbro seems active with purpose at times, asking questions, pushing some things, but Karkador has been erratic. Also, on several days, they’ve either been the last vote or among the very end votes and that starts to look like a pattern. I think I might be leaning here today.

Sophist:
This is a tough call for me. There’s been a lot of strange behavior, and I mean a lot. Whole days with no team vote, a dropoff in discussion, erratic votes, votes without context. But it seems risky for scum, very risky, to be so visibly not scumhunting. It does make me wonder how they’ve made it this long but at the same time, they’ve just never felt particularly scummy to me. The vibe doesn’t necessarily match my read of the evidence. I understand why others want to vote here. I remain unconvinced. Not to say I don’t think it’s possible, but instead I have nagging doubts.

 

[hey_monkey]

My thoughts today are summed up by "holy shit", as I've never made it this far into a mafia game and this last day is a difficult feat to accomplish. This is kind of like at the end of Reservoir Dogs, when everyone has a gun pointed at someone else.

What did I hope to accomplish? If I was blunt about that remark, it's that I am not really in the mood for subtle jabs and white lies today. I saw a thing and I bit, perhaps a little hard. I'm honestly wishing we can just get to a consensus soon, because the tension is making this slightly not-fun.

yeah, I can agree with all of this for sure. :/ I like heated debate and mild confrontation but this tension is anxiety inducing. How about we all agree to not be scum and tell Burb we all win?

REPENT, SCUM.

 

[Karkador]

His vote, even if it had counted, would still only be one. Scum need two Town votes on town to turbo.

I think it's pretty clear you want to vote for Soph/Crim. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume you would follow.

You can't lean on Nomad being 'new to all this' this far into the game, under your wing. It's kind of looking like a crutch for you.

Likewise, come on Nomad. I would rather you say you know what you're doing with stuff like that than make me wonder if you're lying.

 

[Natiko]

I think it's pretty clear you want to vote for Soph/Crim. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume you would follow.

You can't lean on Nomad being 'new to all this' this far into the game, under your wing. It's kind of looking like a crutch for you.

Likewise, come on Nomad. I would rather you say you know what you're doing with stuff like that than make me wonder if you're lying.

But if I don't put my vote down second scum can't turbo. I'm reserved enough to be cautious in lylo. Hell I was even worried we should no lynch before we needed to.

I'm not leaning on Nomad being new. I'm saying that's just how he plays. You can hate it if you want, I know if I wasn't his lover I'd probably be bothered too. The truth is though that's just how he wants to play. When you can see that he's not any different in our private chat (and seems equally confused) post game then maybe you'll understand.

 

[Sawneeks]

Huh to the bolded? I was the driving force behind the Ty stuff, to my shame, but this makes it sound like I'm following someone else? Am I reading this wrong?

Oh whoops, I actually worded that pretty poorly. What I meant was something along the lines of 'you voted for Ty/Trigger but your reasons for doing so were similar to the reasons why you suspected Crimson/Sophia. So when Ty flips and you suddenly back away despite those reasons being strong enough to lynch Ty it doesn't look great to me'. Or something like that, not that you followed Crimson/Sophia's reasoning.

As for the second bold, Natiko and I have been talking nonstop throughout endgame.

I should've said 'of note' there. To be honest I also skimmed a lot of these more recent Day Phases since I figured they were still fresh in my mind so that's what I get for assuming.

i also need to spell check better next time...

Some other questions, too: are you saying that Natiko asking if xKark would really get behind a racohrs lynch is a defense of them? Almost the only non-objective fact here that I agree with is that Kark's weird attack against Sophist went nowhere and seemed to mean nothing, but you're sure packing a lot of loaded words into this.

Yes, you don't take Natiko coming out and saying 'Kark can't POSSIBLY be Scum, he's the only low poster left so why on earth would he bring attention to himself?' as a slight defense?

Sawneeks, I'm looking back and I'm seeing two things, consistent with my memory:

1) I shaded both you guys and Sophist approximately equally, which is how I've felt all endgame. I think you two are the likeliest scum candidates, but there's reasons for and against.

2) most of my considerations on this are based off vote patterns, team likelihood, and information to be gained from a flip - which I also assigned to both teams relatively equally.

If anything, I've been the person pushing the idea that Sophist might not be scum, far more than I ever pushed the idea that they aren't. I see potential there but also things I can't explain and those give me doubts. That's been pretty consistent. Honestly, I wish I felt more strongly about a team here, considering the deadline is coming up, but I have a great deal of doubt on all sides.

Bolded: what?

To your last bit, that's usually how End Games are, at least from what I've seen. Rarely do people go into them being 100% ( unless your Natiko, I guess.... ) and even then it's good to double check and even triple check. Eventually though you have to look at all the evidence and pick someone and just hope for the best, it's all we can really do at this point. Maybe it's just not coming across in my posts but I am worried I'm wrong about Sophia/Crimson but, right now, they're the best guess I have at finding Scum. I've talked myself out of lynching Scum before just due to being so uncertain despite everything being right there and I don't want to fall for that again....

My thoughts today are summed up by "holy shit", as I've never made it this far into a mafia game and this last day is a difficult feat to accomplish. This is kind of like at the end of Reservoir Dogs, when everyone has a gun pointed at someone else.

What did I hope to accomplish? If I was blunt about that remark, it's that I am not really in the mood for subtle jabs and white lies today. I saw a thing and I bit, perhaps a little hard. I'm honestly wishing we can just get to a consensus soon, because the tension is making this slightly not-fun.

So where are you leaning then? Because right now you're the only person here I don't really know where you will land.

 

[hey_monkey]

Kark, have you played with Nomad before? Because I have and I went through all these stages of consideration but it really just seems to be how he plays.

 

[Natiko]

You're all making me feel bad for being confident in my reads for once. Jerks lol

 

[hey_monkey]

Oh whoops, I actually worded that pretty poorly. What I meant was something along the lines of 'you voted for Ty/Trigger but your reasons for doing so were similar to the reasons why you suspected Crimson/Sophia. So when Ty flips and you suddenly back away despite those reasons being strong enough to lynch Ty it doesn't look great to me'. Or something like that, not that you followed Crimson/Sophia's reasoning.

I was wrong about Ty and Trigger. I might be stubborn but I do try to learn from my mistakes. Further, it's you and Sorian who try to make the argument that they are similar in terms of vote placement, etc. I would argue that the two boats come off somewhat different... or rather, there are some key differences and that makes the case harder for me.

i also need to spell check better next time...

SPELL CHECK SCHMELL CHECK

Yes, you don't take Natiko coming out and saying 'Kark can't POSSIBLY be Scum, he's the only low poster left so why on earth would he bring attention to himself?' as a slight defense?

Here I legit can't tell if I busted you trying to spin a narrative or if we're just arguing over semantics, but no, I wouldn't call it a defense. I'd call it an argument. I'd call it analysis. Defense generally implies an agenda. I don't feel like that had an agenda.

Bolded: what?

Of everyone on the board today, I feel like I'm the only one who's all "I dunno" re: Sophist being scum. But uh there was a typo there - I'm pushing that they might not be more than I ever pushed that they might be. That ending "aren't" should have been are.

To your last bit, that's usually how End Games are, at least from what I've seen. Rarely do people go into them being 100% ( unless your Natiko, I guess.... ) and even then it's good to double check and even triple check. Eventually though you have to look at all the evidence and pick someone and just hope for the best, it's all we can really do at this point. Maybe it's just not coming across in my posts but I am worried I'm wrong about Sophia/Crimson but, right now, they're the best guess I have at finding Scum. I've talked myself out of lynching Scum before just due to being so uncertain despite everything being right there and I don't want to fall for that again....

What do you think of Natiko's certainty? I like the way he's arguing but I find the certainty off-putting especially because it just starts to feel like something he's pushing because, not that it's necessarily the most well constructed case. I know you seem to agree with him, enough to block them, but it's the certainty I'm asking about more than the team.

 

[hey_monkey]

You're all making me feel bad for being confident in my reads for once. Jerks lol

we have to make you feel bad about something, it's endgame.

Flush and I have given up in our boat and are having a delightful chat about our research and our interests in games and game design. The game might be fucked but I have the best boyfriend.

 

[Sawneeks]

You're all making me feel bad for being confident in my reads for once. Jerks lol

Sorry! I'm just normally not very 'the scum is clearly right here' during the end-end of a game and I typically end up doubting my reads. Nothing wrong with being confident, it's just not what I do myself lol.