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SimTourist
Member
That's the problem, it's impossible to make a real next gen machine next year, it's not even gonna be twice as powerful as Series X. What's the point?
MMaRsu
Member
Whats your source for this?
ComputerBlue
Member
That would be so dumb, unless if it’s like a fire stick type situation where you plug it into a TV and it comes with a controller and you can stream, not that that would be great but a full console given how powerful their current console is, given how weak they are in the software department, given how horrible they are in the hardware department.
We’ll see.
We’ll see.
ManaByte
Member
Because GeForce Now and Game Pass cloud work fine? Stadia had bigger problems.
SimTourist
Member
Look at AMDs hardware line, that's your source. The hardware improvements are getting smaller, you can't make a significantly better machine at $500 mass market price than Series X.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Xbox Primate
Primes gonna come out in late 2026 against a ps5 that will be well over 100 million units, going early like the 360 just isn't going to help imo due to nearly two years of further continued stagnation with series before prime launches.
But why pay $100 for aa xcloud gaming stick when fire TV stick can give you that right now? The biggest issue with xcloud is the base hardware target is a series s. And then toss absolute garbage compression rates on top of that to make things look even worse.
If they target the niche high end of maybe 1 million hardcore Xbox fans they could pull of a new gen console in late 2026 at $1000+. 30TF?
LordCBH
Member
If Microsoft actually gave a damn I’d care. All they’ve been trying to do is buy out the industry and starve competitors.
EternalTruth
Member
Calling it now. Xbox will be a cloud platform powerhouse powered by Nvidia's latest tech!
This fits perfectly with Microsoft's marketing & partnership moves as of late.
"This is an Xbox" works with all existing PCs, Macs, TV operating systems, and mobile devices.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/11/14/this-is-an-xbox/
Microsoft & Nvidia are leading in the AI space, with twice as many Nvidia chips as their competitors at the moment.
https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai...ut-ahead-of-zuck-bezos-and-musks-outfits-too/
Nvidia and Microsoft recently announced a 10-Year GeForce Now Partnership.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2023/05/18/xbox-games-to-nvidia-geforce-now-members/
This fits perfectly with Microsoft's marketing & partnership moves as of late.
"This is an Xbox" works with all existing PCs, Macs, TV operating systems, and mobile devices.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/11/14/this-is-an-xbox/
Microsoft & Nvidia are leading in the AI space, with twice as many Nvidia chips as their competitors at the moment.
https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai...ut-ahead-of-zuck-bezos-and-musks-outfits-too/
Nvidia and Microsoft recently announced a 10-Year GeForce Now Partnership.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2023/05/18/xbox-games-to-nvidia-geforce-now-members/
SimTourist
Member
What if they target the 10 ultrahardcore fans with a $5000 console, amazing
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
A "cloud platform powerhouse" lmao. Keep pushing the worst way to play games. It might take off in one hundred years.
This is basically saying ok we know our cloud offering looks like a pile of crap but at least with GeForce now you can play your Xbox games via cloud with quality.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
MMaRsu
Member
Starving competitors? How exactly? Please elaborate
And the only thing they've bought is Activision, is it not? So how are they 'trying to buy out the industry'
Nonehxc
Member
thatsapenis.gif smile
MMaRsu
Member
Sure
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
no thanks
Radical_3d
Member
News, leaks and roumors everywhere.
kevboard
Member
als the 360 Core, Arcade and Elite aren't different models just different bundles... that's like adding a new one to the list for each game bundle
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
"I'm hearing" is starting to become a giveaway that you probably can't hear shit.
Literally ANYONE and EVERYONE has speculated or "heard" there's an Xbox coming in 2026. There have been prior rumors, too.
More than that, all of these random Twitter insiders are just piggybacking off the Discord leak which....already talked about new Xbox hardware. Doesn't take a genius to assume they'd want something this year or next given how poorly Xbox Series is selling. Also "COD is being strongly considered", yeah no shit. It's COD. Why would they not put it on Xbox?
These randoms come up with anything to keep Xbox in the news cycle
Literally ANYONE and EVERYONE has speculated or "heard" there's an Xbox coming in 2026. There have been prior rumors, too.
More than that, all of these random Twitter insiders are just piggybacking off the Discord leak which....already talked about new Xbox hardware. Doesn't take a genius to assume they'd want something this year or next given how poorly Xbox Series is selling. Also "COD is being strongly considered", yeah no shit. It's COD. Why would they not put it on Xbox?
These randoms come up with anything to keep Xbox in the news cycle
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I could see late 2026
Just going back to what I heard in Aug of 2023 that the PS5 Pro would have the market to itself for about 2 years and Xbox wanted to beat the PS6 out
I heard Xbox wanted to kind of push for the GTA 6 window but hearing people saying thats slipping to 2026 as well
Interfectum
Member
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
The handheld is here! Just in time for Switch 2. Sharing content to make MS some bags of $$$
coffinbirth
Member
"hardware wise they wouldn't be able to make a better box than PS5 Pro"
This is what delusion looks like.
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DoubleClutch
Member
To be fair, it was much more intensive than adding a game. They are different configurations coming with entirely different storage and peripherals. It might not seem like a big difference now, but it was significant in those days.
Core vs Premium:
- can’t download games
- wired controller
- SD cables
- wired headset not included
- requires purchasing a memory card to save games
- no ethernet cable
This all seems trivial now, but it was huge back then.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Yes, but you could buy a HDD, wireless controller, etc.
It was a bad deal overall, but it wasn't a different system.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Could a small device be built around upscaling at a hardware level? For example could Xbox focus its cloud infrastructure to provide a clean HDR 1080p/60/120 signal and the hardware device cleanly upscale the signal to 4k? This would solve a few technical hurdles for bandwidth and infrastructure fees, while giving the consumer a nearly indistinguishable gameplay experience?
DoubleClutch
Member
Based on the internal hardware (no hard drive), yes it was.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
diffusionx
Gold Member
Xbox 360 had no internal hard drive. Only an external one. The 360 Pro had one attached. But even that one was upgradeable, they came out with larger sizes down the road.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Nintendo actually gave the Wii U audience what they wanted: great 1P exclusives. They also delivered with the 3DS after a somewhat shaky start. Wii U owners didn't have to wait 4+ years for strong 1P games to start arriving; they were served pretty well that gen and Nintendo customers who didn't get a Wii U were still there for 3DS (and getting their money's worth there).
Microsoft has had an extremely wide range of quality releases for XBS since the gen started, with many duds, a small handful of strong titles, but most of their solid releases being extremely niche and smaller-scale, and not satisfying the main core of the fanbase in terms of expectations. They also couldn't cinch the claim of "most powerful console" because they kept losing in so many multiplat comparisons with PS5, the supposedly "weaker" system. They bought Zenimax & ABK, which many hardcore Xbox fans expected would become 1P exclusive devs/pubs for Xbox to compete against SIE's 1P and 3P AAA exclusives. Needless to say, many of them have been hurt and are seething to this day about that fantasy being completely destroyed by Microsoft themselves.
The circumstances between Nintendo going from Wii U > Switch and Microsoft going from Xbox Series > "Xbox Prime" (or whatever it'll be called) couldn't be more different, to the detriment of Microsoft, particularly if "Xbox Prime" is going to be another traditional console. That's one of the reasons I've been insistent they would need to look into a hybrid console/PC architecture/design & business model at the very least in order to still have some presence in hardware, because I think among the traditional console market, they've burned through most of their remaining cache this gen. Not much left for them in going that route.
And again, that Discord leak made mention of new Xboxes taking on a more Windows-like multi-OEM hybrid devices hardware approach, so it'd seem at least some at the gaming division & MS corp as a whole see their position in the traditional console market similar to what I've described. I.e they're basically dead, so they have to change business model and product features/pitch to match. Hybrid console/PC type devices and their eventual full-on multiplatform support for PlayStation & Nintendo, are part of that shift.
Living in denial.
Which one should I buy ? The console that has Prime in its name ? Or the console that has Metroid Prime 4 ?
Pretty easy choice
This...actually didn't clarify anything :/
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think before the end, they started shipping a model which had some built-in 4 or 8GB storage, I think it was the Xbox 360 E or something like that.
But, yeah, for all intents and purposes, it shipped without an HDD for 99% of its run.
I bought an Arcade model and a 20GB HDD separately, shit was a REVELATION when they started the NXE install update to allow full game installs on the HDD.
Lost Odyssey battle times went from 20 seconds to 4.
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SimTourist
Member
At the same or lower price point? They can't, that's why they didn't bother with a midgen refresh at all.
Fess
Member
Then they can sell a box to 20-30 million people
People bought Series X because it promised powerful hardware and cool games. I don’t think anything has changed since 2020. People still want great hardware and cool games.
With no change at all Xbox will sell Japan-numbers in the west soon.
2024 was really the year a hw reset needed to happen, but there were few games ready so would’ve been a bad launch.
2025 would okayish if they start hyping it now I think.
2026 is most likely too late and it’ll get caught up in PS6 hype.
2027 means death.
2028 is a joke.
They could inject some positivity if they line up the launch with Gears of War E-Day and Forza Horizon 6, show off upcoming Kojima’s OD, The Elder Scrolls VI, Perfect dark, Oblivion Remake, Psychonauts 3, Contraband, State of Decay 3, Ninja Theory’s Mara, No Rest for the Wicked 1.0, Team Ninja onboard with a new DOA or a remake of Ninja Gaiden, make sure it’s backwards compatible and improve everything and impress with Fable, GTA6, Doom Dark Ages, Tomb Raider, and so on.
coffinbirth
Member
That would look pretty smeary, I would think.
Not only yes, but I'll raise you that they also could release a more powerful box for less than a PS5 Pro. It's Microsoft, they eat hardware costs for breakfast.
They didn't bother with a mid-gen refresh because their next gen console is NEXT YEAR, lmao.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The precedent has been set with $699, any new gen console from either Sony or MS will be the same or more.
kevboard
Member
it's still a bundle. the actual main system inside wasn't different (aside from the small cosmetic change of the chrome vs white disc tray)
you could buy an Xbox 360 Core at launch and then buy everything that came with the Premium bundle later, and by the end there would be no functional differences between the two.
I remember the Media Markt that I got mine at ran out of Premium bundles at launch, and then sold the Core with a 20GB HDD and Wireless controller for the same price as the Premium, as a quasi replacement option to people who didn't want a core.
in the end it would be more valid to separate the 1TB and 2TB models of the Series X, or the 500GB and 1TB models of the Series S, as you can not change that after the purchase. those are actual hardware differences.
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Parazels
Member
For $1000?I could see late 2026
Just going back to what I heard in Aug of 2023 that the PS5 Pro would have the market to itself for about 2 years and Xbox wanted to beat the PS6 out
I heard Xbox wanted to kind of push for the GTA 6 window but hearing people saying thats slipping to 2026 as well
coffinbirth
Member
I could see Microsoft swooping in with $599 for the console, $399 for the handheld. Keep in mind $699 hasn't been exactly proven as a pill console users are willing to swallow either.
MMaRsu
Member
Lmao @ thinking games will still be developed for Series S / X / PS5 in four five years
kevboard
Member
no it literally wasn't... it literally was a bundle with the exact same console inside, just with more stuff added that you could buy later down the line separately if you wanted
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mayham2199
Member
Lmao @ thinking games will still be developed for Series S / X / PS5 in four five years
Well the PS4 was released in 2013 and the newest COD was still made for it. So that's 12 years of support. What you're saying is that PS5/S/X will get 2 years less support than the PS4 got? I doubt it.
Taur007
Member
You really put “cod” and “decline” in the same sentence?