loaf of bread
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I think its safe to say if Sony has any PR for black friday they're probably saving it for PSX, maybe.
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November 2014 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes December 9th
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theprodigy
Member
Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart DS. Oh, you meant for PS360?GT5, Midnight Club: LA (x2 for PS3/360), and Forza 4.
well uh
I meant how much did each of those sell too
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
They'll probably have something for November in total; why just stop at Black Friday when the whole month is wrapped up?
Granted no numbers; they'll maybe just hint to it and I'm thinking they'll save new WW numbers until early next year.
XB1 pulling out a gap less than Sony pulled in September or October would be a good result for Sony I think, given the price gouging being done by MS and the relative lack of actual price drops by Sony. MS will still trumpet any win but I doubt internally head be happy about it.
shinra-bansho
Member
[XB1] 832K
[PS4] 787K
[3DS] 481K
[WIU] 308K
[360] 289K
[PS3] 135K
[PS4] 787K
[3DS] 481K
[WIU] 308K
[360] 289K
[PS3] 135K
Yeah! They are waiting. What if Sony during PSX conference says to public : during the Black Friday we were "Numero Uno".
Well, they were No.1 @Amazon, Best-Buy, Walmart and Gamestop and it lasted about 2-3 days.
This game sold well? I always kind of assumed it did poorly, like it was one of those games that showed a serious decline in interest in the franchise. Wonder why Rockstar doesn't revisit those games then.
Aquamarine
Member
It sold very well.
Of course, games like Call of Duty sold much better than it...but we're talking about the best-selling 'racing' games, so they're on a different level.
Sometimes developers just get tired of working on a franchise.
It's not unprecedented. For example, Bungie got tired of working on Halo despite Halo selling very well.
Looks like Rockstar San Diego just got tired of working on Midnight Club and wanted to focus on Red Dead Redemption.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I see you've got your hopes up mighty high. Hopefully they aren't shattered when NPD comes.
Personally lack of PR from a company that's been pretty boisterous w/ it over the month and in the past, should be telling you something a bit unpleasant on their end. But we'll see how things shake out.
No way.
Xbox One is number 1 on Amazon, PS4 is number 32. It's maybe the lowest ranking for PS4 since it's launch. I think people are underestimating Microsoft. Like I said earlier in this thread, we might witnessing the start of a new trend, at least in the US.
Welfare
Member
Hourly charts, and the Destiny bundle is right behind it at #34.
Monthly charts say:
- #3 AC Unity Xbox One Bundle
- #17 GTAV PS4 BF Bundle
- #20 Standard PS4
- #56 AC Unity Xbox One Kinect Bundle
- #65 Destiny White PS4 Bundle
- #70 COD Xbox One Bundle
- Missing - SO White Xbox One bundle
Seems pretty random, so we don't know of any trends right now, and it is only Amazon.
One thing for sure however. Microsoft can potentially win against the PS4 in the US with a lower price+a free game.
PS4 was #1 during Black Friday on Amazon, Best-Buy, Wal-mart and Gamestop charts. Understand now? And it lasted 2-3 days.
Just imagine how absolutely atrocious MS' numbers would be without these crazy deals.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
It's at 31 now. If anything MS hopefully sent Amazon ample amounts of that bundle, b/c it was still something else to see that GTA5/TLOU bundle sell out in mere hours and MS's production pipeline is more or less the same as Sony's.
Very possible MS just took units from other markets and sent them back to the U.S tho; conceding the globe for a chance in one region. I guess it could work but MS better hope the market for core consoles doesn't contract heavily here or that's their ass.
Welfare
Member
The Xbox One BF price started early Thursday, PS4 late Thursday/Early Friday. We also can't say who won purely on online markets, as most people go to stores on BF, and some deals were in store only IIRC, such as Wal-Mart's Xbox One MCC bundle.
theprodigy
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the insistence on using Gamestop's online charts is quite amusing tbh
Aquamarine
Member
Don't they have a nebulous methodology on their website?
Also, I will respond to your PM request.
It depends cause PS4 holds both 17 and 20 spots. If the distance between 3 and 17 is more than whatever 20 is then sure, but that is hard to tell from a ranking list.
Before black Friday, PS4 was sitting at the #14 spot while the XB1 was sitting at the #10 spot. It would suggest the gap wasn't that big before the launch of Black Friday.
Black Friday 2014 sounds like it was something of a letdown compared to past years; I think I heard somewhere that profits were down 11% compared to 2013. I have no doubt both consoles sold well, but it also seems like neither cracked a million. I don't think either system is going to claim a knock out victory over the other.
Welfare
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Well there is no way Xbox One was making a profit, so that shouldn't say much about performance for it.
This. Profit clearly wasn't in mind for MS this year. Not with those bundles and price cuts. The goal was to have just one month were they could claim the number one spot here in the US and maintain the marketshare which they fought hard for last gen.
I agree that it looks like before Black Friday, XB1 sold more. It is also clear that XB1 ACU bundle sold more than either PS4 standalone or PS4 GTA bundle on Amazon.
But the gap could have become bigger or smaller during BF, as we know neither the difference in sales between #10 and #14 nor between #3 and #17+#20.
Square2015
Member
*double post, sorry.
Square2015
Member
PC Data yeah.
Well this shows it is possible to track weekly sales in the USA. If PC data was doing it, why can't the NPD, who purchased them?
This is not a question for Aqua (although she can answer if she wants). I feel like she's been defending or speaking on behalf of the NPD so much lately.
Aquamarine
Member
GfK does a wonderful job with weekly reports. If GfK can do it, there's no reason why NPD shouldn't be able to as well.
I agree...NPD not releasing weekly sales reports to all clients is stupid. They need to get with the times.
travisbickle
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[PS4] 851K
[XB1] 850K
[3DS] 315K
[WIU] 303K
[360] 250K
[PS3] 150K
For now, may change if there's any info over the weekend.
[XB1] 850K
[3DS] 315K
[WIU] 303K
[360] 250K
[PS3] 150K
For now, may change if there's any info over the weekend.
I'm pretty sure price gouging isn't what Microsoft was doing.
AdventureRacing
Member
ok perhaps bad wording. Hugely aggressive pricing and bundling.
Final Verdict
Member
Thought it would be fun to put the 8th gen. console sales in perspective as NPD approaches.
Some interesting facts:
The PS4's highest selling month - 1,138k units
The X1's highest selling month - 909k units
The WiiU's highest selling month - 481k units
The PS4's lowest selling month - 187k units
The X1's lowest selling month - 77k units
The Wii U's lowest selling month - 29k units.
This data of coarse come courtesy of those on here who have been willing to share it.
Thanks!
Some interesting facts:
The PS4's highest selling month - 1,138k units
The X1's highest selling month - 909k units
The WiiU's highest selling month - 481k units
The PS4's lowest selling month - 187k units
The X1's lowest selling month - 77k units
The Wii U's lowest selling month - 29k units.
This data of coarse come courtesy of those on here who have been willing to share it.
Thanks!
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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Still no Best Buy impressions?ㅠㅠ I think Shogun's statement about "neither selling out" means no million+, but I wanted a little more information before placing numbers in. I will give it until tomorrow to see if anything comes out of TGA/PSX, but silence tells me that neither hit whatever target they set for themselves...
Looking at the Yearly sales on Amazon it looks like the ACU bundle actually really cleaned house there (and is continuing to do so).
In 1 month, the ACU bundle went to rank #19 for the whole year, well ahead of the Destiny bundle which probably by itself sold more than 500.000 units in the US in Sept/ Oct (Rank #30).
For comparison, the PS4 GTA V Bundle is "only" at the 75th place in the yearly ranking.
Current 2014 Amazon rankings in Videogames
#4- PS4 $399
#19 - XB1 ACU bundle $349
#30 - PS4 Destiny Bundle $449
#75 - PS4 GTA 5 Bundle $399
#87 - XB1 + Kinect $499
#93 - XB1 + Kinect + TF $499
I really thought there wouldn't be more than 100-200k unit difference... But we might be looking at a 300k unit difference easy here...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1
In 1 month, the ACU bundle went to rank #19 for the whole year, well ahead of the Destiny bundle which probably by itself sold more than 500.000 units in the US in Sept/ Oct (Rank #30).
For comparison, the PS4 GTA V Bundle is "only" at the 75th place in the yearly ranking.
Current 2014 Amazon rankings in Videogames
#4- PS4 $399
#19 - XB1 ACU bundle $349
#30 - PS4 Destiny Bundle $449
#75 - PS4 GTA 5 Bundle $399
#87 - XB1 + Kinect $499
#93 - XB1 + Kinect + TF $499
I really thought there wouldn't be more than 100-200k unit difference... But we might be looking at a 300k unit difference easy here...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1
That's with December now as well. With only November I'm very certain it was behind the Destiny bundle and ahead of the Titanfall bundle. I think that SKU sold 350-400k judging by Amazon rankings.
theprodigy
Member
for November (keep in mind this includes November 30th and doesn't count preorders from before November 1):
#2-XB1 ACU bundle
#11-PS4 GTAV bundle
#31-regular PS4
#48-PS4 Destiny bundle
#79-PS4 LBP3 bundle
#82-XB1 ACU Kinect bundle
#100-XB1 CoD bundle
#2-XB1 ACU bundle
#11-PS4 GTAV bundle
#31-regular PS4
#48-PS4 Destiny bundle
#79-PS4 LBP3 bundle
#82-XB1 ACU Kinect bundle
#100-XB1 CoD bundle
Welfare
Member
If only MS had ample supply for the CoD and White bundles. IF ONLY.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
Member
No PR or numbers updates this weekend... guess I will have to try my hand at guessing^^
[PS4] 795K
[XB1] 898K
[3DS] 470K
[WIU] 390K
[360] 289K
[PS3] 198K
[PS4] 795K
[XB1] 898K
[3DS] 470K
[WIU] 390K
[360] 289K
[PS3] 198K
...Right, they didn't talk about sales at all. Hashimoto's enthusiasm made me forget about it.
Time to start being worried for overall numbers next week?
actually the playstation head said "fastest selling console of all time"
Zero-Crescent
Member
[360] 230k
[3DS] 600k
[PS3] 138k
[WIU] 300k
[XB1] 900k
[PS4] 750k
[3DS] 600k
[PS3] 138k
[WIU] 300k
[XB1] 900k
[PS4] 750k
hodayathink
Member
Which would mean that's it still above the Wii at this point in time, I would think.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
Member
We might need one of the sales gurus to correct me, but after the September numbers for Wii (which PS4 was very slightly ahead) the next numbers update didn't come until January. If so, Sony is ahead of the Wii since September, but they won't know if they still are the fastest come next month. Wii is just Shipped numbers, so Sony may still be able to do it WW.