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NPD November 2012 Results [Up6: Black Ops 2, Halo 4, Most Wanted, Assassin's Creed 3]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Refreshment.01
Member
420k Wii consoles sold withouth a lick of effort. How much time has it been since the device has received an important release? I don't count Xeno and Last Story because those are really old games in japan.
How much money does Nintendo makes from a Wii?
How much money does Nintendo makes from a Wii?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Ouch! That's WAY lower than I figured. 510k then (829k w/ Nintendo Land).
Nintendo better hope for record eShop sales...
Average, maybe slightly bad. Look at the attach ratio - 57% is pretty good, and it will keep selling.
eshop sales, psn sales, etc are never going to make up any kind of decent percentage of sales unless there is a dramatic change in price compared to in store copies
there were a ton of bundles for the thing, and have been for a while. there's a skylanders bundle, a wii sports/sports resort bundle, a just dance bundle, the nsmbw bundle, and probably others... although i think the nsmbw bundle was removed for the wii sports one.
CadetMahoney
Member
I just noticed those zombie u numbers, man. No srsly.
Are they really delaying until 2014? That doesn't make sense unless they mean mid 2014. Late 2014 and it might be curtains. Plus Last of Us is a new IP, and the $60 plot-driven genre may be a hit or miss at that price.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
So with Nintendo projecting hardware shipments through March would be slightly less than Wii's, he expected Wii U's first month numbers to beat Wii's by something like 20%. Good job.Pachter said:
It might not make Wii U numbers look better, but certainly the Nintendo home console situation is better. GameCube was under 100K that month.schuelma said:
The software goal should be easier. They've forecast a lower software:hardware ratio than Wii had in its early months, and this time around fewer systems worldwide have a game bundled.StreetsAhead said:425,000 Wii Us with a projections of 5.5 for WW by March 31st...That's nearly one fifth of the way there!
If NSMBU only managed ~240,000 though, 25 million non-bundled software units could be the tough nut to crack (especially if more games get delayed).
Things peter out. Wii put up similar numbers in 2010, but by not having Wii U ready until late 2012 they ended up stuck with a relatively slow period.Crazyorloco said:
Correct. SSBM and Pikmin were both early December.Father_Brain said:
Where do you get that? I'm only familiar with their through-March projection. Very strange if they say it will be higher than Wii for the first 1.5 months but lower with 3 more months added in.lunchwithyuzo said:
Foshy said:People probably confused it for the Wii U GamePad
I honestly would not be surprised if there was some of this going on. I noticed at a store near me they had Wii U games sharing a case with Wii games (unsurprising), but all uDraw games were placed between the Wii U games and the regular Wii games.John Harker said:
Aaron Strife
Banned
Curious a little if it wouldn't have behooved Nintendo to stick with Wii and DS for a few more years. Not saying 3DS or Wii U have bombed but Pikmin 3, Nintendoland, NSMBU, Kid Icarus could have been done as Wii titles and given it another good year, instead of sending it off to die with Skyward Sword.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
At least US gamers can buy the likes of ZombiU from the eShop at any time of day, and not just between the hours of 11pm and 3am like all of Europe:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503130
metalslimer
Member
It's not like we'll be seeing another 2d Mario the rest of the generation. Well unless Nintendo goes into desperation mode and starts pumping them out yearly.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Nirolak: Any way you could add the Wii U top 10 to the OP?
Unless you have an article from a reputable website reporting NPD numbers, it's not official information.
CadetMahoney
Member
Well they made a statement for Black Friday so we can safely assume they will release PR when they think it's (very) good news, at least in light of the poor trend.
Refreshment.01
Member
There were a ton of bundles for the other systems too
How much was the typical asking price for one of those Wii bundles?
There were a ton of bundles for the other systems too
How much was the typical asking price for one of those Wii bundles?
$129.99 for the wii sports/sports resort one and the just dance one. i think it's $149.99 for the skylanders one because it doubles as a starter kit. it's a bit different than the $300 assassin's creed ps3, or the $260 uncharted 3 ps3.
Opus Angelorum
Member
You must have missed the software sales for Playstation All Stars.
I'm not sure what to think. As someone who downloaded two games at launch, I think it's kind of hard to look at NPD and get a fair representation of sales. I don't think it's safe to assume >80% of consumers still buy ONLY retail.
ZombiU is such a great game with a lot of advertising. 40-50k is just awful.
ZombiU is such a great game with a lot of advertising. 40-50k is just awful.
PS3/Vita fans have been asking this for 2 years. MS releases Live game sales figures on their own.
Maybe Nintendo will eventually do the same. This would be a good time to start if they make a big difference in numbers. Soften some of the perception of Wii U not being popular.
CadetMahoney
Member
Last of Us may be necessary for a new ip next year for the PS3. Even if the PS4 is coming out the same year, but who knows.
BoboBrazil
Member
Highly doubt it's any substantial number. I'd guess the top game would be Mario and at most probably moved somewhere between 5,000-10,000 units through dd. I'd actually consider the higher end of that to be a generous number too.
there's even extra incentive for deluxe owners (supposedly 75% of all WiiUs sold) in the form of the nintendo network premium 10% cashback deal.
NPD is definitely no longer giving us the full picture with systems from here on out. Wii-U, 3DS, and Vita have fairly competent DD framework in place now and the next MS and Sony consoles likely will as well.
Refreshment.01
Member
Ahh, 130 then? More expensive than i thought.
The only thing left to know (and somethig that i've been insterested regarding sales) is who makes more profit? Sony selling a 260 PS3 or Nintendo with the 130 Wii.
UberTag
Member
There's a GAF-propogated belief out there that the vast majority of gamers will always buy retail due to trade-in value of titles so long as digital offerings are presented at the same price.
That people will only buy titles digitally when they can get them at a drastic reduction from the retail price off Steam.
That most people still don't have high-speed Internet with which to download games even in an era where Minecraft XBLA has been the most-played game on the most-purchased system in North America this year.
For the most part, I don't buy any of that. People WILL buy equivalent-priced digital offerings of titles off digital marketplaces even if it means they can't trade them in.
HOWEVER... when it comes to Nintendo customers, I think >80% of consumers only buying at retail is being WAY generous. It's probably closer to >95%. Completely different beast of purchaser compared to Xbox, PSN and Steam purchasers because of how Nintendo has approached DRM and online purchases.
I believe the digital sales impact on the WiiU has been negligible at best... and that hardcore-centric GAF will skew this perception.
metalslimer
Member
After a week? Nah, December is the month for that. I still think Nintendoland should have been packed into every console, and it may very well be in a few months depending on how sales of it/Wii U go
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
From what we know, even NSMB2 did better than that digitally. 25,000 is probably a more realistic figure.
Kacho
Gold Member
I hope you're right, man.
Edit: Assuming current sales are nothing to worry about.
Refreshment.01
Member
I think this is a fair and reasonable asumption on your part Ubertag. I could totally see this.
The real "Wii U" is the 350 one and Nintendo Land is a key factor of that SKU. I use the real qualifier because theres no way Land, the bunch of plastic stuff and the extra memory amount to 50 dollars. So i bet it's the most profitable SKU for NIntendo.
BoboBrazil
Member
Well, if a number came out for that game that was higher, it was probably due to the much higher userbase by that point. I'd also assume a portable would lend itself to more downloadable games that you can store somewhere instead of carrying around cartridges. I can say with almost 99% certainty that Nintendo did not sell 25,000 copies of Mario U through dd.
shinra-bansho
Member
270k for 28 titles.
So the average for the top 11 after Mario must be like 20k or less. Must be like less 5k for the remaining 17.
Numbers must drop steeply.
So the average for the top 11 after Mario must be like 20k or less. Must be like less 5k for the remaining 17.
Numbers must drop steeply.
Parmenides
Banned
PS360 sales still impressive in the US.The Xbox 360 will likely overtake the PS2.
However,PS4 and XB3 will have a hard time selling in EUR/PAL,JAP and other small markets: consumers and publishers showed little interest in HD consoles until 2009.We need, more than anything else, price cuts. Since the PS3 price drop in Aug 2011,global shipments jumped from 51.8 m to 70.0 m.
Excluding the US,the PS3 outsells the Xbox 360 by 3 million every year.There were no substantial changes before the holiday season.Only thing is that EU-PS3 overtook US-PS3 a couple of months ago.Given current global trends,Sony should milk the PS3 a little longer in order to avoid unnecessary losses. I mean,PS4 in 2013 would be a waste of money.Price cuts and games (GTA,MGS,FF,FIFA,COD,LOU) will always beat new hardware.
UberTag
Member
I won't pretend it's not an assumption. I'd love to be proven wrong that Nintendo customers will flock to digital offerings just as readily as PC/Xbox/Sony customers have.
Goodness knows quality titles like Pushmo/Crashmo and pretty much anything from WayForward deserves an audience.
metalslimer
Member
Yes, strike while the iron is cold has always been a winning strategy.
No reason for anyone of those people to buy multiplatform titles on Wii U. At least we can see pretty clearly that Mario was driving Wii U purchases. I would hate to see this launch if it wasn't there.
Conflict NZ
Member
Really? I found it by far the most boring AC3 because so much of that history period is known and when you try to change it around or get dates wrong it really breaks the illusion. The previous games were able to change history because there are massive gaps in records so they could get away with it.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Bad news for Microsoft and Sony, it seems. Just left the nearest Best Buy about an hour ago, it had a mountain of unsold 360s and PS3s. Actually, almost two mountains of 360s.
shinra-bansho
Member
On further thought, if we take that on average ZombiU, COD and Scribblenauts in between averaged ~50k...
The average for the remaining 25 titles would be ~5k.
The average for the remaining 25 titles would be ~5k.
metalslimer
Member
I think he means in advertising. The game definitely didn't live up to my expectations, but sales wise Ubi struck gold, but there going to run this thing into the ground with AC 2013,2014, and 2015
OldJadedGamer
Banned
It is XBL and how everyones friends list are so open on their console. You see Jimmy and Johnny playing a game you weren't sure of then decide to try it out cause you like the same games they do. The online aspect and how close your friends are on the system has always been a huge boon for them pushing software.
It is like positive word of mouth without saying anything.