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[Quadraphonic]

But is the Xbox One doomed? From what I gather it is selling well- just not at the fantastic levels of the PS4.

The problem is that you're still including the huge launch.

After December, sales dropped precipitously. In 2014, it's doing worse month-to-month than the first 8 years of the Xbox 360.

Having all the 180s, layoffs at the TV group, and the Kinect unbundling in less than a year is not a device that's "selling well".

PS4 games outsell PS3 games. People are now moving from the old device to the new device.
360 games outsell XB1 games. Those users are hesitant to adopt the new device.

Granted, the Xbox 360 was a beast, but that momentum (which was a lot of factors, but mostly luck), is now lost.

Building on that, Microsoft positioned themselves last gen to rely heavily on 3rd parties and online XBL revenue. Both of those are going away now that people have to pay for PS+ AND 3rd party games look and sell better on the PS4.

Microsoft doesn't have a Nintendo-quality 1st party to fallback on. They may have a handful of interesting titles in the coming months, but that is NOT enough to support the console in the long term and grow the userbase.

The Xbox division at Microsoft, the "Entertainment" one, had its profits masked by distributing a huge amount of Android patent royalties to it. With the loss of revenue caused by the R&D, plus the lowered sales forecasts, it's becoming far costlier to maintain than it was before. And worse still, the 'price drop' to $399 failed to drum up any interest.

 

[Toki767]

Is Vita LTD > PSP LTD?

I don't even think 3DS LTD > PSP LTD

 

[8 X 11 Printer Paper]

Is Vita LTD > PSP LTD?

Is this a serious question?

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Wasn't PSP LTD like 75-80m?

 

[ascii42]

...You're joking, right? I hope you're joking.

PSP Go LTD, maybe.

 

[Aquamarine]

I don't even think 3DS LTD > PSP LTD

It hasn't. PSP is an absolute beast.

 

[Biker19]

You should read up a bit more on the game. And stop being a smart ass. That only works if you are knowledgeable on the topic being discussed. This is not an HD compilation of Silent Hill. A ton of work has been put into this. Read up on it, you would be impressed how crazy they went with this.

But Halo 3 & Halo 4 aren't exactly getting proper remakes. Only Halo 2 is, & Halo 1 Remastered is basically a port off of Xbox 360.

 

[antitrop]

Too bad about Watch_Dogs, will only encourage Ubisoft to abuse their formula even more.

I would rather see Call of Duty at #1 than an Ubisoft open world game.

 

[WinterDemons]

Other new handheld games: < 7k

what other handheld games released?

Other games physically released in June are mostly Vita games: Neptunia PP, XBlaze, Blazblue

 

[Darknight]

Why are you guys surprised at the Vita numbers? Like 15K a month...thats fricking awesome for Vita standards. I know Vita Fans want it to do well but the thing is doomed till Sony pulls the plug. Its Sega's Revenge. Just deal with it.

Anyhow I predict XB1 numbers to begin picking up after 1 year. It just got a price drop and once Halo 5 comes, PS4 hardware better be ready. I dont think U4 will sell as many units if both release on Fall 2015. I feel XB1 is doing good but not gangbusters as PS4 but people shouldnt talk like it wont catch up or so.

WiiU numbers look good right? Deserves some sales with MK8 and then Smash.

 

[Usobuko]

The handheld games in June

BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma ( Ported to Vita )
Xblaze Code: Embryo ( Visual Novel, also on PS3 )

That's it?

 

[creamsugar]

 

[Basileus777]

The handheld games in June

BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma ( Ported to Vita )
Xblaze Code: Embryo ( Visual Novel, also on PS3 )

That's it?

Atelier Rorona Plus was on Vita.

 

[Aquamarine]

Ooh. Getting fancy on the gradients this time, aren't we? ;-)

 

[Wildarmsjecht]

Interesting...

 

[dreampeppers99]

Mario Kart 8 fuck yes! Did my part!

I wish DKCTF did the same

 

[AniHawk]

an update on the failure brigade now that it's halfway through the year

wii u ytd: 449,000
wii u jan-may 2013: 302,000

vita ytd: ~129,000-135,000
vita jan-may 2013: 164,000
vita feb-may 2012: 633,000 (launch was in february)

so aside from may, vita has been performing far worse than it did last year (45% drop from last june). may's vita sales account for about 42-43% of its yearly sales. wii u's june accounts for about 31% of its yearly sales, but sales were already up year over year.

 

[ultratruman]

I’m merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ sales advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years…

 

[Alrus]

4. Mario kart 8 actually will be the lowest selling Mario kart in a while and polygon will publish a huge manifesto on their correctness.

They will still be wrong about their LTD sales prediction though

 

[ascii42]

Atelier Rorona Plus was on Vita.

No retail release on the Vita, though.

 

[Klocker]

....


Welp, looks like things are pretty much decided.

Way too soon to call

But nobody has patience anymore these days so let's just call it.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Just how close was Wii U and XB1?

 

[Usobuko]

Atelier Rorona Plus was on Vita.

Is the Vita version on digital or exclusive to publisher store? I couldn't find it on Amazon.

 

[Toki767]

Looks like PS4 almost sold almost as much as Xbox One + Wii U. So PS4 at around 280K? Maybe even 300K?

 

[Basileus777]

No retail release on the Vita, though.

Ah, I forgot about that.

 

[Aquamarine]

This is the first like non launch window month for the Wii u where I think you can say the sales are actually good and not have to caveat it in some way. If it holds for next month--obviously a big if--it could easily best xbone.

It's impressive to me how quickly and decisively Sony turned things around. I mean, sure, for the global mass market the ps4 is a far more appealing product, but even in the US where they weren't even competitive people jumped ship fast. Network effects of Xbox live appear ambiguous. It's unclear how badly the system could have been doing without xbl and titanfall. Obviously the "me and my 10 friends" and the people that use that canard continue to embarrass themselves.

And now for some random predictions. I will inscribe these on the wedding ring I give to aquamarine:

1. Sunset overdrive will be the latest in a long line of insomniac's "valuable self-owned IP". I just don't see the game hitting at all. Developer is not a big name, the art style is just not there for the bro audience, not enough Xbones out there, and super crowded October. Needed to be out in September. It will probably launch with like 235k and someone will post "what an amazing tie ratio!!" And then "congrats insomniac and Microsoft!!!" The same way one would post congratulations Microsoft for stuffing the channel last year.

2. Sony won't update the firmware until fall. No one will change buying behavior but there will be yelping on here. Some will say "but Sony isn't making any moves!!!"

3. The last of us ps4 should debut around...150k? Not a huge success. Basically enough to make it worthwhile and ltd will be good but nothing ground breaking.

4. Mario kart 8 actually will be the lowest selling Mario kart in a while and polygon will publish a huge manifesto on their correctness.

5. Sony has established a dominant position in terms of software. I predict very few if any third party exclusives on Xbox going forward. Still Phil spencer will tweet "games!" Next May and start an avatar feud. Yoshida will make an unfunny joke about the HTC one for the third time.

6. The generation is decided but it will be interesting to guess when xbone passes Wii u. Maybe December?

7. I think this really does count as a price drop and not just a sku change. First the barrier to entry did legitimately drop. Second I'm not sure new 499 bundles are still being manufactured. And third even if they are no one gives a flying fuck about kinect so I don't see why we have to pretend anyone cared before.

hehe ;-)

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

It hasn't. PSP is an absolute beast.

I don't get why that system gets ragged on, honestly.

 

[MrCookiepants]

Of course GAF rushes immediately to unfounded conclusions. We haven't even gotten the full numbers yet, and the consoles haven’t even been out a full year, and yet GAF is still ready to proclaim this generation's winner.

From last December:

So The One won the most important market.

And with Brazil and Australia, they have the most important EU markets as well.

The age of Sony is done.

 

[maxcriden]

Alright look at what we were buying thirteen years ago this month...
this was the month the GBA launched...

*JUNE 2001*
TOP30

1	GBA	Super Mario Advance	 	$29 	Nintendo	379,117	NEW
2	PS2	Twisted Metal: Black	 	$51 	Sony		172,588	NEW
3	GBA	Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2	$42 	Activision	160,673	NEW
4	PS2	NBA Street	 		$52 	EA		151,162	NEW
5	GBA	Castlevania: Circle of The Moon	$40 	Konami		115,745	NEW
6	DC	Sonic Adventure 2	 	$41 	Sega		114,853	NEW
7	GBA	F-ZERO: Maximum Velocity	$29 	Nintendo	110,304	NEW
8	N64	Mario Party 3	 		$50 	Nintendo	106,525	/ 262,260
9	PS2	Dark Cloud	 		$50 	Sony		94,223	/ 141,921
10	PS2	Red Faction	 		$51 	THQ		83,867	/ 173,689
11	GBA	Rayman Advance	 		$39 	Ubisoft		74,246	NEW
12	GBA	Namco Museum	 		$30 	Namco		68,608	NEW
13	PSX	Gran Turismo 2	 		$20 	Sony		63,879	/ 2,304,318
14	PSX	Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX	 	$40 	Activision	58,855	/ 623,945
15	PSX	Final Fantasy Chronicles  	$42 	Square EA	54,540	New
16	GBA	GT Advance Championship Racing	$39 	THQ		53,547	NEW
17	N64	Pokemon Stadium 2	 	$60 	Nintendo	53,399	/ 680,420
18	PSX	Spec Ops: Ranger Elite	 	$10 	Take-Two	51,350	/ 100,024
19	PSX	Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation$10 	Eidos		48,366	/ 852,889
20	PS2	Crazy Taxi	 		$50 	Acclaim		45,503	/ 99,706
21	N64	Super Smash Bros.	 	$40 	Nintendo	44,804	/ 2,170,942
22	PSX	ATV Quad: Power Racing	 	$20 	Acclaim		44,308	/ 265,699
23	PS2	ATV Offroad Fury	 	$50 	Sony		44,185	/ 279,157
24	PS2	Tokyo Xtreme Racer: Zero	$51 	Crave		42,679	/ 51,399
25	PSX	MLB 2002	 		$40 	Sony		42,501	/ 68,184
26	PS2	Midnight Club: Street Racing	$50 	Rockstar	42,191	/ 300,944
27	PS2	Madden NFL 2001	 		$50 	EA		42,060	/ 890,040
28	DC	Crazy Taxi 2	 		$40 	Sega		41,549	/ 57,843
29	GBA	Iridion 3-D	 		$40 	Majesco		39,097	NEW
30	PS2	Tekken Tag Tournament	 	$50 	Namco		38,576	/ 454,632

Any more June chart requests? I have charts back to the NES days (mind you the further back the accuracy has yet to be attested).

Oh, that is so interesting. Thanks for posting this! Some amazing games in there. Smash Bros. was on fire. THPS2 GBA...Dark Cloud...really takes me back!

 

[Jimmyfenix]

 

[Louis Cyphre]

The problem is that you're still including the huge launch.

After December, sales dropped precipitously. In 2014, it's doing worse month-to-month than the first 8 years of the Xbox 360.

Having all the 180s, layoffs at the TV group, and the Kinect unbundling in less than a year is not a device that's "selling well".

PS4 games outsell PS3 games. People are now moving from the old device to the new device.
360 games outsell XB1 games. Those users are hesitant to adopt the new device.

Granted, the Xbox 360 was a beast, but that momentum (which was a lot of factors, but mostly luck), is now lost.

Building on that, Microsoft positioned themselves last gen to rely heavily on 3rd parties and online XBL revenue. Both of those are going away now that people have to pay for PS+ AND 3rd party games look and sell better on the PS4.

Microsoft doesn't have a Nintendo-quality 1st party to fallback on. They may have a handful of interesting titles in the coming months, but that is NOT enough to support the console in the long term and grow the userbase.

Sony has been picking apart any strength Microsoft had. They don't have an early head-start, they don't have the third party advantage any longer, they don't have the superior hardware, and now that Kinect is no longer the focus they don't really have much that differentiates themselves like the Wii did last generation. They still have a more robust online service and a huge investment in servers but does what matter much?

For Microsoft to put pressure on the PS4 it will cost them. Either in more game investments or with a price reduction. I guess that's a good thing either way for consumers.

 

[Welfare]

Fancy graph you got there.

Xbox One and Wii U are so close! Then you got PS4 just bossing it.

 

[Bgamer90]

25/30/45?

Wii U/Xbox One/PS4?

 

[TheRealTalker]

1980 colours

 

[Sakura]

Are these families?

 

[RexNovis]

anyone figure out the graph yet?

 

[Officerrob]

Looks like PS4 almost sold 2x Xbox One + Wii U. So PS4 at around 280K? Maybe even 300K?

How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

 

[Elios83]

Brown PS4, purple XB1 and red Wii U I guess?

 

[benny_a]

Looks like PS4 almost sold 2x Xbox One + Wii U. So PS4 at around 280K? Maybe even 300K?

I don't know what you're seeing but I'm certainly not seeing twice Xbox One + WiiU for PS4.

 

[FZZ]

So Wii U is beige, Xbone is Gray, and PS4 is tan?

 

[sixamp]

i guess its official, the xbox one is officially the ps3 of this gen so far.Which isnt a bad thing at all. the ps4 is doing great and so is the xbox compared to last year its jus t all the negative press from whiny fanboys and the net is killing the xbx1 even with its good lineup. im happy with both of my systems. debating about getting the wiiu

 

[FTF]

Whoa, that's more of a difference than I thought.

 

[Toki767]

How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

I don't know what you're seeing but I'm certainly not seeing twice Xbox One + WiiU for PS4.

Oops. I meant total, not 2x. So sleepy after work.

 

[Y2Kev]

Wow ps4 is a beast

 

[sörine]

what other handheld games released?

BlazBlue Chrono Phantasma (PSV)
Farming Simulator 14 (3DS)
Farming Simulator 14 (PSV)
How to Train Your Dragon 2 (3DS)
Hyperdimension Neptunia PP: Producing Perfection (PSV)
Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (3DS)

 

[8 X 11 Printer Paper]

Why do I fear this is you trolling us with the Vita, Wii and....PSP sales.

 

[Usobuko]

PS4 numbers seem relatively low consider its a 5 week month along with E3 boost?

 

[jayu26]

Brown PS4, purple XB1 and red Wii U I guess?

So Wii U is beige, Xbone is Gray, and PS4 is tan?

Curse this colour blindness of mine.

 

[Slashlen]

Somebody break out a protractor.

 

[joecanada]

7. I think this really does count as a price drop and not just a sku change. First the barrier to entry did legitimately drop. Second I'm not sure new 499 bundles are still being manufactured. And third even if they are no one gives a flying fuck about kinect so I don't see why we have to pretend anyone cared before.

Ice cold