Captain Smoker
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Wii Sports is not counted.Parl said:
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Official April 2008 NPD thread of massive disappointment if you're not Nintendo
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milanbaros
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Captain Smoker said:
Hence the slowing of game sales that are counted.
Captain Smoker
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"Any value smaller than 100.000" ^^Yoshi said:
Someone @ Capcom said this, but I think something between 50.000 and 100.000 is a good hint.
DeaconKnowledge
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The former.Yoshi said:
leroy hacker
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Nice!
Personal anecdote: Wii Fit will be my 13th Wii game, including Wii Sports. That's more than I bought for the DS (just 7 so far), GC (7) and PS2 (9 so far, though I'm still buying them, too). I have more games for the PS1 (than I do for the Wii), but not many.
I've been a gamer for a looooooong time, but my interest has been on the wane for the past few generations. I'm guessing others are in the same boat, which points to the 'power of the Wii' affecting more than just the casuals these days.
Just sayin
I've been a gamer for a looooooong time, but my interest has been on the wane for the past few generations. I'm guessing others are in the same boat, which points to the 'power of the Wii' affecting more than just the casuals these days.
Just sayin
I think save some folks the trouble here.
1. Mario Kart Wii 1.120.000
Only game Wii gamers had to buy in April.
2. Wii Play w/ Remote 360.000
Only buying for the extra controller.
3. Super Smash Bros. Brawl 326.000
Online is busted.
4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 152.000
Better on Ps3/360.
5. Game Party
Crap mini-game collection.
6. Super Mario Galaxy
Nintendo is depending on their same franchises for over 20 years now.
7. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games
Olympic boost.
8. Carnival Games
Crap mini-game collection that sold more than Metroid Prime 3. :lol
9. Mario Party 8
Another franchise that sells on its name.
10. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08
Er.. er... Look over there!
1. Mario Kart Wii 1.120.000
Only game Wii gamers had to buy in April.
2. Wii Play w/ Remote 360.000
Only buying for the extra controller.
3. Super Smash Bros. Brawl 326.000
Online is busted.
4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 152.000
Better on Ps3/360.
5. Game Party
Crap mini-game collection.
6. Super Mario Galaxy
Nintendo is depending on their same franchises for over 20 years now.
7. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games
Olympic boost.
8. Carnival Games
Crap mini-game collection that sold more than Metroid Prime 3. :lol
9. Mario Party 8
Another franchise that sells on its name.
10. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08
Er.. er... Look over there!
brain_stew
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Captain Smoker said:http://kotaku.com/5010214/nintendo-wii-has-highest-software-sales-for-first-18-months
First 18 months Software:
Wii: 50.000.000
PS2: 42.000.000
360: 30.000.000
XBX: 28.000.000
PS3: 20.000.000
First 18 months Hardware:
Wii: 9.500.000
PS2: 8.500.000
360: 5.200.000
PS3: 4.200.000
Tie Ratio:
360: 5,77
Wii: 5,26
PS2: 4,94
PS3: 4,76
Wow, the Wii is really strong.
Wow, going by them figures its damn near certain that the Wii has sold more third party software in its first 18 months than the 360 did considering the numbers released by Nintendo and the fact that Microsoft had some huge first party hits in that time (e.g. Gears, PGR3, PDZ).
So yeah, Microsoft can stop shouting about that one, oh and this is forgetting about the enormous gulf in development budget.The evidence is clear; the Wii is the most profitable platform for third party devs to be pursuing.
I don't think you're going to like what 3rd party devs pursue based on that Wii Top 10. For reference: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/gameparty?q=game partybrain_stew said:
Jaded Alyx
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Kunan said:Sigh..why didn't they market Okami
But who would make it?
brain_stew said:
According to the chart, 3rd party sales averaged averaged 53% for the first 18 months. Multiplying that by 50 mil, we get 26.833 mil 3rd party Wii sales. Just subtracting known Halo 3 first-month numbers from MS (anyone have LTD?), we get 26.7 mil 3rd party MS sales.
3rd parties do better on Wii confirmed.
EDIT: crap, I forgot Halo 3 wasn't in the first 18 months. Still, MS has probably sold less. I don't think GoW counts; it was developed by Epic, after all, but PGR3, PD0, etc. almost certainly push it below 26.833 mil.
Stumpokapow
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Zerachiel said:
Halo 3 wasn't released in the first 18 months of the 360.
D.Lo
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Can't use Halo, but you can use Gears, PDZ, Kameo, PGR3.Zerachiel said:
Also, you can't just average the rates in those '3rd part sales rate' Nintendo charts as game sales were not equal among the periods shown. Obviously more game sales happenned in the later part of the year, and as more consoles were sold.
All things considered, there's basically no doubt Wii sold more third party games in it's first 18 months then the 360, and likely by a decent margin.
Yay, top twenty and top ten per-console! Thank you NPD!
Edit: And yeah, the Wii really doesn't have a third-party problem in the West, as I've been saying for awhile now. In Japan it kind third parties kind of fail on it but they're failing on all the next-gen consoles so it doesn't look as bad.
Edit: And yeah, the Wii really doesn't have a third-party problem in the West, as I've been saying for awhile now. In Japan it kind third parties kind of fail on it but they're failing on all the next-gen consoles so it doesn't look as bad.
Smiles and Cries
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sweet sales
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D.Lo said:
You're doing it wrong. Do it like Microsoft, and compare the 360's LTD to the Wii's LTD. Gotta make that year head start pay off.
Eventually, they'll have to stop doing that, also, and just use percentages.
Top 10 NDS Titles:
1. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness 202.000
2. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time 202.000
3. New Super Mario Bros. 64.000 < X < 103.500
4. Mario Kart DS 64.000 < X < 103.500
5. Mario Party DS 64.000 < X < 103.500
6. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games 64.000 < X < 103.500
7. Imagine: Babyz 43.000 < X < 64.000
8. Pokemon Diamond Version 43.000 < X < 64.000
9. The World Ends With You 43.000
10. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day 23.700 < X < 43.000
1. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness 202.000
2. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time 202.000
3. New Super Mario Bros. 64.000 < X < 103.500
4. Mario Kart DS 64.000 < X < 103.500
5. Mario Party DS 64.000 < X < 103.500
6. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games 64.000 < X < 103.500
7. Imagine: Babyz 43.000 < X < 64.000
8. Pokemon Diamond Version 43.000 < X < 64.000
9. The World Ends With You 43.000
10. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day 23.700 < X < 43.000
Captain Smoker said:http://kotaku.com/5010214/nintendo-wii-has-highest-software-sales-for-first-18-months
First 18 months Software:
Wii: 50.000.000
PS2: 42.000.000
360: 30.000.000
XBX: 28.000.000
PS3: 20.000.000
First 18 months Hardware:
Wii: 9.500.000
PS2: 8.500.000
360: 5.200.000
PS3: 4.200.000
Tie Ratio:
360: 5,77
Wii: 5,26
PS2: 4,94
PS3: 4,76
Wow, the Wii is really strong.
The really scary thing about these figures are that these numbers are from the Wii's weakest territory market share wise which means Worldwide Wii really is THE system to make games for 3rd parties.
Jiggy37 said:
Really, I wonder why S-E doesn't openly advertise their DS games beyond print and online sources. The only one I recall them doing so with is Dragon Quest Monster: Joker, and that commercial they had for it was an absolute joke.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hBVCFBtWRzY
On the other side of the fance the other really scary thing is that America is the HD consoles' strongest market. By FAR. And even there they are getting creamed.Shaheed79 said:
It makes you think just what the hell Nintendo has to do to get more quality 3rd party titles on their system. I mean, it's beyond pathetic at this point. Nintendo almost can't do anything more while still being friendly to third parties (like restricting their gameoutput and or stop the shovelware like they've done in the past). Unless they moneyhat every single big game and/or just give up convincing them and just buy almost all the western third parties out and make them 2nd party devs.
But seriously, it's really strange. You would think the least (the bigger) company's could do is allocate more resources to Wii? Make Wii versions alongside other versions or create a Wii-centric development team (like how EA has done a while ago). At least Sega seems like it's reacting in a good way (slowly but steady).Captain Smoker
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You´re right, I´ve added this numbers to all titles in the list, so, this is all we have:DNF said:
Top 20 Video Game Titles:
1. Grand Theft Auto IV* (Xbox 360) 1.850.000
2. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) 1.120.000
3. Grand Theft Auto IV* (PS3) 1.000.000
4. Wii Play w/ Remote (Wii) 360.000
5. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) 326.000
6. Gran Turismo 5: Prologue (PS3) 224.000
7. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness (NDS) 202.000
8. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time (NDS) 202.000
9. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) 152.000
10. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare* (Xbox 360) 141.000
11. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (PSP) 103.500 - 141.000
12. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2* (Xbox 360) 103.500
13. Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3 (PS2) 64.000 - 103.500
14. Game Party (Wii) 64.000 - 103.500
15. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock* (PS2) 64.000 - 103.500
16. New Super Mario Bros. (NDS) 64.000 - 103.500
17. Mario Kart DS (NDS) 64.000 - 103.500
18. Rock Band* (Xbox 360) 64.000 - 103.500
19. Mario Party DS (NDS) 64.000 - 103.500
20. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) 64.000 - 103.500
Top10 Handheld:
1. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness (NDS) 202.000
2. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time (NDS) 202.000
3. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (PSP) 103.500 - 141.000
4. New Super Mario Bros. (NDS) 64.000 - 103.500
5. Mario Kart (NDS) 64.000 - 103.500
6. Mario Party (NDS) 64.000 - 103.500
7. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games 64.000 - 103.500
8. God of War: Chains of Olympus (PSP) 64.000
9. Imagine: Babyz 43.000 - 64.000
10. Pokemon Diamond Version (NDS) 43.000 - 64.000
Top 10 Wii Titles:
1. Mario Kart Wii 1.120.000
2. Wii Play w/ Remote 360.000
3. Super Smash Bros. Brawl 326.000
4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 152.000
5. Game Party 64.000 - 103.500
6. Super Mario Galaxy 64.000 - 103.500
7. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games
8. Carnival Games
9. Mario Party 8
10. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08
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xx. Okami < 100.000
Top Xbox 360 Titles:
1. Grand Theft Auto IV* 1.850.000
2. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare* 141.000
3. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 103.500
4. Rock Band* 64.000 - 103.500
5. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock*
6. Army of Two
7. Major League Baseball 2K8
8. Halo 3*
9. Iron Man
10. Assassin's Creed*
Top PS2 Titles:
1. Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3 64.000 - 103.500
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock* 64.000 - 103.500
3. MLB '08: The Show
4. God of War II
5. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
6. Rock Band*
7. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
8. Metal Gear Solid: Essential Collection
9. Iron Man
10. Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy
Top 10 PS3 Titles:
1. Grand Theft Auto IV* 1.000.000
2. Gran Turismo 5: Prologue 224.000
3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
4. MLB '08: The Show
5. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2*
6. Rock Band*
7. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock*
8. Army of Two
9. Assassin's Creed*
10. Iron Man
Top 10 NDS Titles:
1. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness 202.000
2. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time 202.000
3. New Super Mario Bros. 64.000 - 103.500
4. Mario Kart DS 64.000 - 103.500
5. Mario Party DS 64.000 - 103.500
6. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games 64.000 - 103.500
7. Imagine: Babyz 43.000 - 64.000
8. Pokemon Diamond Version 43.000 - 64.000
9. The World Ends With You 43.000
10. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day 23.700 - 43.000
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xx. Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword 23.700
Top 10 PSP Titles:
1. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII 103.500 - 141.000
2. God of War: Chains of Olympus 64.000
3. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
4. MLB '08: The Show
5. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
6. Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition
7. Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters
8. Patapon
9. Need for Speed Carbon: Own the City
10. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
I wonder why a lot of "hardcore" gamers despise the minigame genre but love the sandbox genre. IMO, these two genres are quite alike. In sandbox games, don't you go to different locations to play minigames? Rayman Raving Rabbids is a collection of minigames. If Rayman had to go to differents locations in a big place to activate the minigames instead of just selecting these minigames, it would have been a sandbox game.
Atreides said:
depends on the minigame. most people can distinguish between brilliance like (most of) the wario ware series and cheap thoughtless uncreative shit like almost every other minigame collection. well okay when i say most people i mean people who actually care about and known anything about games.
TheHeretic
Banned
Atreides said:
Sandbox games are about creating your own entertainment. Mini game collections are just that: collaborations of fixed, smaller games. I don't see how the genres overlap in any way whatsoever.
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Jiggy37 said:
I'll probably pick it up over the next month because everyone keeps ranting about it.
dammitmattt
Banned
Atreides said:
Have you ever played a GTA? The "mini-games" are about 1% of the game.
dammitmattt said:
Not GTA, but I have played and seen other sandbox games. Perhaps I'm wrong in some things, but the patterns in sandbox games is: you go to places marked in the map (you have several places to choose), activate them and start to play this part (I would call this a mini-game). Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Member
Neomoto said:On the other side of the fance the other really scary thing is that America is the HD consoles' strongest market. By FAR. And even there they are getting creamed.
It makes you think just what the hell Nintendo has to do to get more quality 3rd party titles on their system. I mean, it's beyond pathetic at this point. Nintendo almost can't do anything more while still being friendly to third parties (like restricting their gameoutput and or stop the shovelware like they've done in the past). Unless they moneyhat every single big game and/or just give up convincing them and just buy almost all the western third parties out and make them 2nd party devs.
Didn't Reggie state that it would take 2-3 years for third-parties to catch up? The Wii is less than two-years-old, so it's not even reached the minimum cut off. Furthermore, how many great third-party games are on the PS3, in comparison? IMO, it should have more, being the successor to the PS2. I'm not trying to compare the two next-gen machines in any regard, just illustrating that the Wii's current third-party situation might have more to do with the naturally sluggish speed of third-party developers to pump out good games at a consistent rate than any strong reluctance on their part to support the Wii.
dammitmattt
Banned
Atreides said:
:lol :lol :lol
Yes, you are extremely wrong. The core gameplay is the shooting, driving, and exploration, and no one in their right mind would call these "mini-games." Sandbox games are divided into four distinct parts: missions, side missions, mini-games (like bowling, darts, pool, and the Qubed in GTA4), and fucking around.
What sandbox games have you played?
I don't know if Reggie said that, but you make some valid points considering the PS3. Imo, it doesn't have a stronger library than Wii has. Both have their killer apps and AAA+ titles and everything, but because Wii gets more shovelware it seems like the perception is that it somehow doesn't have a good enough library. I just looked and in Wii's current line-up I got 20 upcoming third party games that are great/very interesting, across a vast diversity of genre's (not 1 non-games in it and most of them are exclusive). This is without Nintendo first party games (which they'll also announce more off on e3). I don't come even close to that on the PS3's current line-up.NintendosBooger said:
Just saying.But yeah, I think Wii's biggest problem is not the amount of quality titles per se, just the lack of quality ports of multi platform games. Because this creates a hole in Wii's line-up that the 360 and PS3 both don't have, purely because of high profile multiplatform titles. Well, at least Activision seems set on turning that around, since their biggest games (Guitar Hero IV, Call of Duty IV etc) will be released simultaniously on Wii too. I hope third parties take note on Activisions current, and hopefully near future succes.
dammitmattt said:
Well, then probably I'm wrong. The only one I own and have played a lot (but this perhaps is not much of a sandbox game) is NMH. I have played and see others like godfather and some others in some friends place, but it's true that I only tested them a bit. I'll try to test some of them more throughly, I haven't before because I really dislike having to spend time traveling between places in the city.
dammitmattt
Banned
Neomoto said:I don't know if Reggie said that, but you make some valid points considering the PS3. Imo, it doesn't have a stronger library than Wii has. Both have their killer apps and AAA+ titles and everything, but because Wii gets more shovelware it seems like the perception is that it somehow doesn't have a good enough library. I just looked and in Wii's current line-up I got 20 upcoming third party games that are great/very interesting, across a vast diversity of genre's (not 1 non-games in it and most of them are exclusive). This is without Nintendo first party games (which they'll also announce more off on e3). I don't come even close to that on the PS3's current line-up.
But yeah, I think Wii's biggest problem is not the amount of quality titles per se, just the lack of quality ports of multi platform games. Because this creates a hole in Wii's line-up that the 360 and PS3 both don't have, purely because of high profile multiplatform titles. Well, at least Activision seems set on turning that around, since their biggest games (Guitar Hero IV, Call of Duty IV etc) will be released simultaniously on Wii too. I hope third parties take note on Activisions current, and hopefully near future succes.
I'd argue that the Wii has a much better exclusive lineup than the PS3, but if you count all of the awesome 3rd party multiplatform games (GTA4, COD4, etc. etc. etc.), the bar is swung back in the direction of the PS3 (or at least it evens it out). The problem is that many people started with the 360, play multiplatform games on the 360, and only view the PS3 library as the exclusives, which I think we can all agree have been somewhat underwhelming in comparison to last gen up until this point.
dammitmattt
Banned
Atreides said:
No More Heroes is absolutely NOT a sandbox game in any way, shape or form. It has a (massively boring) open world with a few (massively boring) mini-games between the missions. However, you can't just mess around in the world like you do in a GTA, and that's what defines the sandbox genre.
You see, GTA4 has an incredibly interesting world with a ton of stuff to see and do EVERYWHERE. It's a million times more interactive and detailed than NMH.