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[James Sawyer Ford]

So have you posted any predictions or anything that’s proven true? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not with that first line as, like I said, I’m not that in tune with the lore here. It’s just funny to me that a random forum poster can claim they’re chatting and gaming with Xbox execs and there’s seemingly no push back at all, lol.

see post above

 

[gothmog]

Seems kinda short sighted to dismiss this upgrade. People are just used to having incremental upgrade options. Why not let these companies cash in on that? I know my money is ready for an upgrade.

 

[Kacho]

And it doesn't have to be....

it would be a magic bullet, and a simple fact, for that every game that exists on the current PS5, will perform and or look better on the PS5 Pro in some shape or form.

And that is all it needs to be. Anyone that is saying they can't see the sense or point for something that would cost like $100-$150 more than a base model and that offers that... is either just flat-out lying at best, or a hypocrite at worst.

Why? well, its because that's what CPU and GPU manufacturers have been doing, every single fucking year, for the last... well forever.

Any performance gains will be minimal. The main thing will be increased resolution just like the PS4 Pro, hence why devs are scratching their heads.

 

[kbear]

He nailed the PS5 Pro specs last year before anyone else

Got a link? Also, what does that have to do with chatting with Xbox execs?

 

[StueyDuck]

Modern game developers don't interest me...

The industry lacks talent anymore anyway

 

[K' Dash]

So, the guys giving me 720p @ 60fps don’t see the point of a better GPU…

and you will keep getting low res, cross gen games on the new HW.

Congrats.

 

[Kacho]

Ronin is a PS5 game, looks worse than a PS4 game (Ghost of Tsushima). Devs need hardware to boost their games, has never been more apparent than now.

Better hardware isn't going to help Team Ninja. They struggle to optimize games properly on PC.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Leave it up to neogaf to pick up the slack in departments where PlayStation lacks.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Shut up and make games.
If you aren't making the most out of the PS5 then are you admitting you are shit at your job? Get to work! *whip crack*

I’m pretty the vast majority of devs are shit at their jobs, going by the poor optimization this generation.

 

[DJ12]

Those zynga devs and their circle jerk again lol

 

[Mr Moose]

So have you posted any predictions or anything that’s proven true? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not with that first line as, like I said, I’m not that in tune with the lore here. It’s just funny to me that a random forum poster can claim they’re chatting and gaming with Xbox execs and there’s seemingly no push back at all, lol.

 

[Elbereth]

Heard similar things about the PS Portal, and yet…

It’s not for everyone to understand, or even accept. For others, it is a welcome addition.

 

[Radical_3d]

and you will keep getting low res, cross gen games on the new HW.

Congrats.

You are expecting not even increased resolutions? Isn’t it too early to start drinking?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Got a link? Also, what does that have to do with chatting with Xbox execs?

No link but last year he said the pro would be around 17 TF but the biggest changes were going to be elsewhere with RT and AI and that the TF was misleading but people would be pleased with the final result

I think he’s mostly chatting with Mike Ybarra and plays with him on Xbox on occasion (obviously that’s not his source or only source)

 

[iHaunter]

Uhh is this developer from an A studio? Show me a game that's 4k/60 without being dynamic and stable? Most games need to be dynamic 4k to reach 60 FPS at the result of lower IQ. If PS5 was strong enough. We wouldn't need "Quality" 30 FPS modes. Should be able to do 60 FPS no?

 

[Topher]

"That’s pretty much exactly what most gamers have said"

According to....?

BTW....the quote is from Dring, but the rest is some reader submitted commentary.

 

[Clear]

It's Metro. So nobody gives a shit!

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Any performance gains will be minimal. The main thing will be increased resolution just like the PS4 Pro, hence why devs are scratching their heads.

Bollocks.

First off, I can pretty much tell you that devs are not scratching tehir heads and articles like these are bullshit articles.

How can I possibly know that?

Because the same devcs that have to drop resolutions down to 720p and use that messed up FSR to manage 60fps, have eyes just like us. And they know the shit they pout ouy t looks like shit. I am sorry, but I cant, wont, take a dev, or anyone for that matter (which I guess includes you) seriously, who has seen what has been happening over the last 3 years, comes out and says, we don't see the need to have am more powerful GPU.

And again, why is this even a conversation? Why is it ok, for PC user to have an "OPTION" to upgrade their CPU or GPU every single year and select from at least 4 different SKUs released each year from each vendor, but when a console does the exact same thing... this happens?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So have you posted any predictions or anything that’s proven true? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not with that first line as, like I said, I’m not that in tune with the lore here. It’s just funny to me that a random forum poster can claim they’re chatting and gaming with Xbox execs and there’s seemingly no push back at all, lol.

If I can be brutally honest me proving myself of who I know which allows me to say some of the things I do here is to the mods, not to every poster who doesn't believe things I have said

And I feel my track record hardware wise is decent, back even before this gen launched

 

[FoxMcChief]

I’m sure no developer wants the upgrade, first party included. First party teams obviously can’t speak up. This just means more work for them, with what pay off? Sony is the only one profiting from those that think they been the slight bump.

 

[Topher]

Is there any proof you’ve posted here? Like predictions you’ve gotten right or whatever? I can’t stop laughing at the fact people actually believe some random forum poster is chatting with Phil and Matt Booty in a private chat room.

Dude....stop. HeisenbergFX4 is legit.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Wow I liked Ding when he was shitting on Xbox, now I hate him again

 

[GermanZepp]

So have you posted any predictions or anything that’s proven true? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not with that first line as, like I said, I’m not that in tune with the lore here. It’s just funny to me that a random forum poster can claim they’re chatting and gaming with Xbox execs and there’s seemingly no push back at all, lol.

go thru his messages history. He is moderated and always drops snippets of stuff. Take it or leave it.

 

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I'm interested in seeing how much the ray tracing has improved in the pro. I'm a nerd for this kind of stuff so that's the main selling point for me. If there's little to no improvement in RT then its an easy pass for me.

 

[kbear]

No link but last year he said the pro would be around 17 TF but the biggest changes were going to be elsewhere with RT and AI and that the TF was misleading but people would be pleased with the final result

I think he’s mostly chatting with Mike Ybarra and plays with him on Xbox on occasion (obviously that’s not his source or only source)

So blindly believing he’s chatting with Xbox execs and thus believing his Xbox info is all based on the fact that he got some of the PS5 Pro specs right. Got it.

 

[SolidQ]

Currently situation

 

[Codeblew]

The real reason for the PS5 Pro:

Spoiler

 

[aclar00]

Uh, isn't the real question here actually why the hell are developers saying they weren't really making the most of the PS5 in the first place? Why haven't they been doing that? Why are the ones responsible for making the most of the PS5 casually saying they aren't making the most of the PS5 without any sort of explanation?

"This generation doesn't even seem to have been started" YOU ARE responsible for that! He needs to ask the damn publishers why they apparently haven't started the generation ffs

You're not wrong, but Sony falls into this category as well. Their 1st party studios really havent taken advantage of the base. Unfortunately if this thing is coming out, its likely to be more of a joke support wise than PSVR2.

The main advantage i see is brute force FPS or 4K (which some will appreciate) and that's if it's a Sony requirement. Nothing else will change from a game perspective. Hope I'm wrong though.

Though 2-3 years from now, base PS5 Naughty Dog game will likely look and run better than 90% of other studios games on Pro settings.

 

[Topher]

So blindly believing he’s chatting with Xbox execs and thus believing his Xbox info is all based on the fact that he got some of the PS5 Pro specs right. Got it.

Not blindly believing anything. Mods verified his connections with Ybarra and company.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I agree, there is no use for a pro console when we've barely tapped the potential of the consoles that are here.

 

[Shane89]

I agree. The problem is that if they will still release it, i'll still buy it, and along me several other players will do the same. We are part of the problem lol

 

[aclar00]

This is why I eyeroll every time I hear about a pro console. Have the current ones even been pushed at all yet? (I suspect NO)

Graphically ive been disappointed this gen. Given all the settings games have now you would think there would be an ultra graphical setting for those of us still on 1080p...but here i am still looking at PS4 like games 4 years later.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I agree. The problem is that if they will still release it, i'll still buy it, and along me several other players will do the same. We are part of the problem lol

 

[Mr Moose]

So blindly believing he’s chatting with Xbox execs and thus believing his Xbox info is all based on the fact that he got some of the PS5 Pro specs right. Got it.

Why do you care so much? Jealous?

 

[Solarstrike]

Smh, the whole PS5 and XBox Series X things was/is a farse. Cash grab more or less. The PS4 Pro was just fine and so was the XBox One X. My PS5 collects dust for the most part and I ended up selling the XBSX because there was (and still is) literally no games. Everything I wanted to play for the most part is on the PC now or will be. Still have my XBox One X though which I play regularly with games like Red Dead Redemption (upgraded version), Dante's Inferno, NHL 14, Fight Night Champion, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic I & II. It's a great system

 

[MisterXDTV]

Unfortunately if this thing is coming out, its likely to be more of a joke support wise than PSVR2.

So much wrong in just a few words....

- It is coming out
- It has nothing in common with PSVR2 that is a completely different platform that needs DEDICATED games
- SUPPORT IS MANDATORY

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So blindly believing he’s chatting with Xbox execs and thus believing his Xbox info is all based on the fact that he got some of the PS5 Pro specs right. Got it.

He was accurate with PS5 vs XSX calls too.

You can choose not to believe him but when he gives out info it’s been solid, he’s not one to lie or make absurd claims

 

[twilo99]

Seems more logical than a 12TF mid gen refresh in the beginning of the gen.

Is the performance delta between the professional PS5 and the amateur one the same as the one between the x and xss ?

 

[WitchHunter]

Everyone needs the raytrance. Now take your party drugs.

 

[Matt_Fox]

Currently situation

Stellar Blade the only one been clicked on

 

[Bernardougf]

Give me a single reason why we need new hardware. The human eye can't see more than 720p anyway.

Yes! And anything above 30 fps is barely noticeable

 

[kbear]

Why do you care so much? Jealous?

I’m always skeptical about forum insiders. Think about how many were proven wrong before the PS5/XS release. If this guy is legit as you all claim, then I’ll leave it at that.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Seems more logical than a 12TF mid gen refresh in the beginning of the gen.

Or maybe it was reactionary, like Bugie's purchase and now they realized they committed a whoopsies again.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I’m sure no developer wants the upgrade, first party included. First party teams obviously can’t speak up. This just means more work for them, with what pay off? Sony is the only one profiting from those that think they been the slight bump.

You think devs don’t like better hardware?

Are you crazy? This take is just flat out stupid

 

[Heisenberg007]

But the same games that are running very unoptimize on Console also aren't running very optimized on PC which can be several times more powerful than the base PS5 or even the PS5 Pro, so it doesn't seem like just having more horse power is the answer.

Console optimization is a bit different though. If a game is hovering around 50 FPS on a PS5, it will most likely hit a consistent 60 on a PS5 Pro.

Having said that, though, I agree that devs need to optimize the games better. But these devs are not optimizing their games on consoles or PC, and then also complaining against a Pro console. That's just plain stupid.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I’m always skeptical about forum insiders. Think about how many were proven wrong before the PS5/XS release. If this guy is legit as you all claim, then I’ll leave it at that.

He’s not that OsirisBlack or Terrance Phillips guy or whatever lmao

He’s a legit insider

 

[Mr Moose]

I’m always skeptical about forum insiders. Think about how many were proven wrong before the PS5/XS release. If this guy is legit as you all claim, then I’ll leave it at that.

Yeah you're right to be sceptical of people, but he is legit.

 

[nosoynadie22]

Are they the same developers who release their games on the console at 720p/38fps resolution with a poorly implemented upscaler?

 

[Topher]

I’m always skeptical about forum insiders. Think about how many were proven wrong before the PS5/XS release. If this guy is legit as you all claim, then I’ll leave it at that.

Completely understand skepticism of anyone claiming to be an insider. Lots of pretenders out there.

 

[Fbh]

Devs:
"I don't even see the point of this"

Same devs:
"So anyway here is our newest game at 720p upscaled with FSR and running at rock solid 42fps"