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[Topher]

Stupid review

“And if you're looking to play games in the best way possible, a PC still presents more value for money.”

A $2000 PC is a lot more money for similar quality if you can’t tell much of a difference from PS5 to PS5 Pro

Oh heck no. $2000 will give you a kick ass PC my man. Ain't no way Pro competes with that. Now the assertion in the article that PC "presents more value for the money" is highly subjective and really is feeding this constant PC vs console rhetoric that we have been seeing here. That author can have that opinion all he wants but it is meaningless to someone who wants to buy a console. Folks need to stop acting like PCs and consoles are always interchangeable. They just are not.

 

[MikeM]

Oh heck no. $2000 will give you a kick ass PC my man. Ain't no way Pro competes with that. Now the assertion in the article that PC "presents more value for the money" is highly subjective and really is feeding this constant PC vs console rhetoric that we have been seeing here. That author can have that opinion all he wants but it is meaningless to someone who wants to buy a console. Folks need to stop acting like PCs and consoles are always interchangeable. They just are not.

I have a 7900xt PC. Do I always want to play on it? Nah- I look at Windows all day for work. Some days I don’t want to boot up Windows again for play.

Plus, can’t play Rebirth nor Stellar Blade on my PC.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Oh heck no. $2000 will give you a kick ass PC my man. Ain't no way Pro competes with that. Now the assertion in the article that PC "presents more value for the money" is highly subjective and really is feeding this constant PC vs console rhetoric that we have been seeing here. That author can have that opinion all he wants but it is meaningless to someone who wants to buy a console. Folks need to stop acting like PCs and consoles are always interchangeable. They just are not.

My point was a ps5 pro offers a kick ass console. The review was basically downplaying the leap between PS5 and PS5 Pro.

You will not get a higher leap by comparing even the highest end PCs to a PS5 Pro.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Hey, you are the one saying the Pro offers the same quality as a brand new $2000 PC. If you are up for making such claims at least don't resort to insults the moment someone calls you out.

No I am not….try reading next time

 

[TintoConCasera]

No I am not….try reading next time

Oh no, guess me and all the others quoting you about that are wrong and cannot read uh.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Think I’m going to hold off. Il keep some of the money aside and wait to see what Death Stranding 2 and GTA6 pro enhancements are like and decide nearer those releases.

(Probably wake up tomorrow and buy one)

I told myself weeks ago that I was gonna cancel it multiple times.

Never did, I would have just bought it anyway.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Oh no, guess me and all the others quoting you about that are wrong and cannot read uh.

Look up the word similar in the dictionary.

It does not mean “the same”

Just like the reviewer said the ps5 pro was “similar” to the ps5, which was my entire point to begin with

 

[TintoConCasera]

Look up the word similar in the dictionary.

It does not mean “the same”

Just like the reviewer said the ps5 pro was “similar” to the ps5, which was my entire point to begin with

If you think a Pro offers a similar quality to a 2000$ PC then man, I think you are too far gone.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Can someone tell us about the noise ? how good / bad is it during heavy games?

and what kind of fan lottery did you end up getting.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

It seems 30/35% uplift in raster performance will be the norm.. PSSR and additional RT capabilities will boost things up in selected titles but nevertheless is not worth the price..

 

[ArtHands]

The PS5 Pro Sure Is Cool, But Who's It Really For?

Sony's most expensive video game console is impressive, but isn't for everyone

kotaku.com

The PlayStation 5 Pro is for a rather meticulous gamer. This gamer is someone who already owns a high-quality 4K/120hz TV or plans to buy one. They’re someone who has already invested heavily in the PlayStation ecosystem and has a collection of PS5 games they can enjoy on the PS5 Pro. They’re the type of person who cares about in-game settings and visual options, and who gets excited over the various graphical settings each game offers. You need to be the kind of person who can spot the difference between a game running at 30 FPS versus 60 or 120. You also need to care about higher resolutions and image quality. You should not only know what ray tracing is but be excited to enable it when you can.



In other words, you need to be something of an A/V enthusiast to truly enjoy the PS5 Pro.

PS5 Pro Enhanced - Marvel’s Spider-Man 2
I’ve enjoyed playing around with the one Sony sent me over the last week, as I’m the kind of person this $700 super-console was designed for. But I’m not convinced most people should buy a PS5 Pro. That’s not to say the Pro is worthless or a bad idea.



While some online have scoffed at the idea of a more powerful PS5, I think Sony’s plan makes sense. As confirmed by Sony’s own data, players generally prefer performance modes over fidelity modes in most games. So building a console focused on letting players enjoy smooth frame rates without sacrificing fancy visuals or high resolutions is a sensible strategy.

The challenge Sony faces is that many people are satisfied with their base PS5 and the options it provides. And after spending a week with the PS5 Pro, I’m confident in saying it’s really for the detail-obsessed gamers willing to spend $700 to make already great-looking games look even better on their big 120hz TVs. That might not be you, and that’s okay because you aren’t missing out on anything you care about anyway.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

PS5 Pro AI upscaling isn't just a "software solution". It has ML hardware components just like Nvidia GPUs. And you are not going to get PS6 or Xbox hardware where last gen can't run it any more than PC games won't be able to run on Nvidia 1000/2000 series GPUs.

I think what you want is a return to exotic hardware like the PS2 and PS3. Afraid that time has past for good my man.

In a way yes, you are correct. I miss exotic, proprietary hardware. Companies were making their next hardware a “must have”, because you simply couldn’t play the latest and greatest on the previous gen, period.

Yet that doesn’t mean at the same time they can’t keep all the checkerboarding, ML AKA AI solutions for their previous generation of games. Everything feels cross gen with slight upgrades and it’s boring.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The PS5 Pro Sure Is Cool, But Who's It Really For?

Sony's most expensive video game console is impressive, but isn't for everyone

kotaku.com

Who is it for?

 

[DavidGzz]

Fuck, I just remembered I lose all my saves cause I don't pay for PS plus. Once again haha. Cheap ass mfers

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If you think a Pro offers a similar quality to a 2000$ PC then man, I think you are too far gone.

For someone that thinks a ps5 pro is similar to a ps5, it most certainly does…my man

Compare any DF footage of PS5 Pro to a 4090 PC.

Frames? Sure, if you need beyond 60 for some reason, but fidelity at 60? Not some massive leap in most cases

 

[Topher]

I have a 7900xt PC. Do I always want to play on it? Nah- I look at Windows all day for work. Some days I don’t want to boot up Windows again for play.

Plus, can’t play Rebirth nor Stellar Blade on my PC.

Exact same for me. I like playing on both console and PC. And like you say, we have more options this way. I can buy cheap digital games off sites like green man gaming or I can rent a physical disc from Gamefly. PC and PS5 really compliment each other very well, imo.

My point was a ps5 pro offers a kick ass console. The review was basically downplaying the leap between PS5 and PS5 Pro.

You will not get a higher leap by comparing even the highest end PCs to a PS5 Pro.

For guy's like that reviewer.....

The Pro ain't for everyone.

 

[Codeblew]

They're almost like religious people, except that they don't shower.

Plus they don't make as much as Playstation owners. I just laugh in my head about them being poor.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Unreal Engine 5 enters the room.

 

[ArtHands]

The PS5 Pro’s biggest problem is that the PS5 is already very good

For $700, I was hoping for a much larger leap in visual impact.

arstechnica.com

Barely a bang for your buck​

Even if you're the kind of person who appreciates the visual impact of Fidelity mode on the PS5, upgrading to the PS5 Pro isn't exactly an instant purchase. At $700, getting a PS5 Pro is akin to a PC gamer purchasing a top-of-the-line graphics card, even though the lack of modular components means replacing your entire PS5 console rather than a single part. But while a GeForce RTX 4070 Ti could conceivably keep running new PC games for a decade or more, the PS5 Pro should be thought of as more of a stopgap until the PlayStation 6 (and its inevitable exclusive games) hit around 2028 or so (based on past PlayStation launch spacing).
If you already have a PS5, that $700 could instead go toward the purchase of 10 full, big-budget games at launch pricing or even more intriguing indie releases. That money could also go toward more than four years of PlayStation Plus Premium and access to its library of hundreds of streaming and downloadable modern and classic PlayStation titles PS5 titles. Both strike me as a better use of a limited gaming budget than the slight visual upgrade you'd get from a PS5 Pro.

Even if you're in the market for your first PS5, I'm not sure the Pro is the version I'd recommend. The $250 difference between a stock PS5 and the PS5 Pro similarly feels like it could be put to better use than the slight visual improvements on offer here. And while the addition of an extra terabyte of high-speed game storage on the PS5 Pro is very welcome, the need to buy an external disc drive peripheral for physical games on the new console may understandably rub some players the wrong way.

 

[TintoConCasera]

For someone that thinks a ps5 pro is similar to a ps5, it most certainly does…my man

Heeey just to be clear, I'm not arguing about that article.

I think we agree here and do think the article isbullshit and meant to stirr console warring and attract more clicks. Everyone can see the difference between those 2 models, at least on the patched games.

Compare any DF footage of PS5 Pro to a 4090 PC.

Frames? Sure, if you need beyond 60 for some reason, but fidelity at 60? Not some massive leap in most cases

For some reason? You shouldn't dismiss going above 60 frames, that shit makes a difference specially in fast paced games.

 

[MikeM]

For guy's like that reviewer.....


The Pro ain't for everyone.

I think this what people are forgetting. No one says you need to buy a Pro. Buy the Slim- if you are questioning the value, its not for you.

Same goes any enthusiast item. Dualsense Edge. Rtx 4090. LG G4 TV. iPhone 16 Pro Max. Porsche GT4 RS. Value? Maybe not to most, but for some- absolutely.

 

[Topher]

I think this what people are forgetting. No one says you need to buy a Pro. Buy the Slim- if you are questioning the value, its not for you.

Same goes any enthusiast item. Dualsense Edge. Rtx 4090. LG G4 TV. iPhone 16 Pro Max. Porsche GT4 RS. Value? Maybe not to most, but for some- absolutely.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Heeey just to be clear, I'm not arguing about that article.

I think we agree here and do think the article isbullshit and meant to stirr console warring and attract more clicks. Everyone can see the difference between those 2 models, at least on the patched games.


For some reason? You shouldn't dismiss going above 60 frames, that shit makes a difference specially in fast paced games.

Sounds like we agree more than we disagree

I’m not a Framerate junky tho. 60 fps is perfect to me. Except VR where it does offer a big benefit. Just my opinion

 

[TintoConCasera]

Sounds like we agree more than we disagree

I’m not a Framerate junky tho. 60 fps is perfect to me.

60 is fine for many games, and I'm happy that it might start being the minimum on consoles soon.

Not speaking just about the Pro. I believe this thing with diminishing returns when it comes to graphics might be just what we need to end the graphics race and start focusing a bit more on frames and overall player experience.

Except VR where it does offer a big benefit.

Indeed! 90 or even 120 can make a great difference between having a ton of fun or making a mess with all the puke lol.

 

[twilo99]

Much higher.

1000$ pc is enough to have better performance than pro.

Once AMD start selling RDNA4 cards in a few months it will be even easier

 

[Dorfdad]

It seems 30/35% uplift in raster performance will be the norm.. PSSR and additional RT capabilities will boost things up in selected titles but nevertheless is not worth the price..

to you lol. To some of us it's well worth the 200-250 upgrade. If were trukey half way through the ps5 life cycle as many have suggested id expect the future of PS5 Pro games will be much better than these "patches" You can hate on it, but im pretty sure most of you will be buying one eventually because they are not going to drop in price anytime soon. Those days are probably over.

 

[twilo99]

They're almost like religious people, except that they don't shower.

Nah, Sony just pushed the price point high enough to where a PC is a realistic alternative.

$500 to $1000 makes no sense but $800 to $1000 … that’s a reasonable leap, especially considering the multifunctional nature of a personal computer running Windows.

 

[FalconPunch]

All the noise folks are making will die down when it gets a price drop next year. All of a sudden, they'll be able to see the difference. Save this post.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Nah, Sony just pushed the price point high enough to where a PC is a realistic alternative.

$500 to $1000 makes no sense but $800 to $1000 … that’s a reasonable leap, especially considering the multifunctional nature of a personal computer running Windows.

No, the cost has gone up across the board, where is this silly narrative that it’s shrunk? Have you seen of gpu prices the last few years?

 

[Topher]

Nah, Sony just pushed the price point high enough to where a PC is a realistic alternative.

$500 to $1000 makes no sense but $800 to $1000 … that’s a reasonable leap, especially considering the multifunctional nature of a personal computer running Windows.

Except the use cases are not always the same. Most folks don't want a multifunctional PC in their living room.

 

[Rush2112]

IGN is really excited about the unnoticeable ‘increased image sharpness’ of bloodborne. Sony could have easily patched this game to have a performance mode for PS5 pro and we all know it. Meanwhile, Sony’s like “here’s Aloy’s pussy hair remastered : Lego edition”

 

[M1chl]

Once AMD start selling RDNA4 cards in a few months it will be even easier

I've heard that many times

 

[FalconPunch]

Oh heck no. $2000 will give you a kick ass PC my man. Ain't no way Pro competes with that. Now the assertion in the article that PC "presents more value for the money" is highly subjective and really is feeding this constant PC vs console rhetoric that we have been seeing here. That author can have that opinion all he wants but it is meaningless to someone who wants to buy a console. Folks need to stop acting like PCs and consoles are always interchangeable. They just are not.

No it doesn't. I know because I have a PC that's much more expensive than $2000 and it's similar to playing on the PS5. Apart from the 2-3(Alan Wake, CyberPunk 2077, etc) games which are built for PC, the rest is just straight console ports with slightly better resolutions, more stuttering, insignificant RT effects. People calling the difference between PC and PS5 or Xbox Series X big are certified clowns for sure. If you claim you can't see the improved image quality PSSR provides, then you won't be able to see it on PC either. The reason to get a PS5 pro is to get improved image quality on bigger screens where the differences are actually more noticeable. If I wanted to be a hermit and camp by my PC, I could do so. Unfortunately, I have absolutely 0 interest in playing console ports on PC. It's for the most part not a better experience. Maybe when developers actually start making proper PC exclusives that push graphics again, PC will be interesting.

 

[Stu_Hart]

I saw that digital foundry discussion review on the ps5 pro and they showed baldur's gate 3 struggling and ran the same as the base ps5 in that notoriously laggy town section. That's all I need to know on cpu-limited games like this. A hard pass for me. Haha...$700. GTFOH.

 

[vodka-bull]

I consider this a Pro PS4 Pro Pro.

 

[ap_puff]

No, the cost has gone up across the board, where is this silly narrative that it’s shrunk? Have you seen of gpu prices the last few years?

You can get a decently priced rig using an AMD gpu, but since they have no DLSS competitor right now you're rolling the dice on whether FSR4 is going to work decently on e.g. a 7900XT.

 

[Topher]

No it doesn't. I know because I have a PC that's much more expensive than $2000 and it's similar to playing on the PS5. Apart from the 2-3(Alan Wake, CyberPunk 2077, etc) games which are built for PC, the rest is just straight console ports with slightly better resolutions, more stuttering, insignificant RT effects. People calling the difference between PC and PS5 or Xbox Series X big are certified clowns for sure. If you claim you can't see the improved image quality PSSR provides, then you won't be able to see it on PC either. The reason to get a PS5 pro is to get improved image quality on bigger screens where the differences are actually more noticeable. If I wanted to be a hermit and camp by my PC, I could do so. Unfortunately, I have absolutely 0 interest in playing console ports on PC. It's for the most part not a better experience. Maybe when developers actually start making proper PC exclusives that push graphics again, PC will be interesting.

Don't know what to tell you. We have completely different experiences with PC gaming. It is what it is. I probably shouldn't have even responded to the PC takes as this is really getting off the mark.

As far as PSSR is concerned, I've been championing it because of the advantages I see that DLSS brings to the table. I've been enthusiastic about getting the Pro for a while so...

 

[SkyHighTrees]

IGN is really excited about the unnoticeable ‘increased image sharpness’ of bloodborne. Sony could have easily patched this game to have a performance mode for PS5 pro and we all know it. Meanwhile, Sony’s like “here’s Aloy’s pussy hair remastered : Lego edition”

I'm lickin on dat

Yehyeh we freaky

 

[saintjules]

Oh heck no. $2000 will give you a kick ass PC my man. Ain't no way Pro competes with that. Now the assertion in the article that PC "presents more value for the money" is highly subjective and really is feeding this constant PC vs console rhetoric that we have been seeing here. That author can have that opinion all he wants but it is meaningless to someone who wants to buy a console. Folks need to stop acting like PCs and consoles are always interchangeable. They just are not.

The question is does a $2000 PC get you an official PC release of Bloodborne?

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

to you lol. To some of us it's well worth the 200-250 upgrade. If were trukey half way through the ps5 life cycle as many have suggested id expect the future of PS5 Pro games will be much better than these "patches" You can hate on it, but im pretty sure most of you will be buying one eventually because they are not going to drop in price anytime soon. Those days are probably over.

But is not a 200-250 upgrade. If you already have a ps5 as most of us have, it is a 700-800 upgrade.. you think is worth it? For me is not..

 

[Imtjnotu]

Speaking of that, the full body massage/happy ending offer I made a couple month ago for your 2nd ps5 pro is still on the table.

 

[Topher]

The question is does a $2000 PC get you an official PC release of Bloodborne?

Nope, not at any price. Just like PC only games are not available on consoles at any price.

But is not a 200-250 upgrade. If you already have a ps5 as most of us have, it is a 700-800 upgrade

Not if you sell or trade in your PS5. Then it is a bit less.

 

[ap_puff]

But is not a 200-250 upgrade. If you already have a ps5 as most of us have, it is a 700-800 upgrade.. you think is worth it? For me is not..

I don't think anyone is trying to force you to buy it lol

 

[Topher]

I saw that digital foundry discussion review on the ps5 pro and they showed baldur's gate 3 struggling and ran the same as the base ps5 in that notoriously laggy town section. That's all I need to know on cpu-limited games like this. A hard pass for me. Haha...$700. GTFOH.

Yeah, I saw that too and it was expected. I figure for games that have problems like that I'll play on PC. Nice having options either way..

 

[Bojji]

Nope. You guys just cannot stop at the nonsensical, insecure comparisons.

And a person that can't tell a difference between PS5 and PS5 Pro....you think they can genuinely tell the difference between a 4090 and a PS5 Pro in the Horizon FW comparison DF did?

Nah....

They? Who knows, most game journalists are retards.

Most people here will tell the difference just like between PS5 and PS5 pro.

Cool and what is the plan? All of you PC gamers telling everybody not to buy the Pro and instead build a $1000 or more pc?

Do whatever you want with your money.

 

[Haint]

Much higher.

1000$ pc is enough to have better performance than pro.

If by "much higher" you mean $79. This $1079 system would at least be on par with Pro with much more utility, an upgrade path, much cheaper game prices, and no paid online Toll.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Most people here will tell the difference just like between PS5 and PS5 pro.

Show me the proof that a $1000 built from scratch PC with new components, a 2TB SSD, and DS controller noticeably outperforms a PS5 Pro

 

[ap_puff]

They? Who knows, most game journalists are retards.

Most people here will tell the difference just like between PS5 and PS5 pro.



Do whatever you want with your money.

At the end of the day it's gonna be the best console experience this gen, if people think that's worth the price then they'll pay it and if not they won't. Just like the 9800x3d, if you have a 5800x3d and play in 4K is it worth paying for a platform switch, new RAM, and $480 to get better 1% lows? Some people will say yes, some won't.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If by "much higher" you mean $79. This $1079 system would at least be on par with Pro with much more utility, an upgrade path, much cheaper game prices, and no paid online Toll.

Missing 1TB and no DS controller, up your price considerably

 

[Bojji]

Show me the proof that a $1000 built from scratch PC with new components, a 2TB SSD, and DS controller noticeably outperforms a PS5 Pro

I did ~900+ Euro pc with 4070, 5500 CPU and 2tb nvme build. You can totally do that and in US components should be even cheaper? Of course I will be accused of derailing the thread...