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Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.

Okay, good for you. Could you explain why? Previews seemed very positive at the time, and I hated how Bethesda screwed over Human Head, so I am not pleased at its cancellation.

I just didn't like what I've seen of the gameplay. And given it was open world, it was bound to repetitive.

And the way some of the fanboys evangelized it made me hate it even more. It's even harder to discuss anything about Arkane's PREY without some people bringing up Prey 2 (Yes, yes, I know about the name. But that's irrelevant at this point as they explained themselves several times already).

Call it petty if you like, but people should move on from it no matter how unpleased they were with the cancellation.
 
Silky link coming up...


I don't get the continued worship for Hideo Kojima after Quiet. I'm sure he makes good games, but that doesn't make him less of a dirty old pervert/misogynist that needs calling out.

Or should I feel ashamed for my words and my deeds?
He literally said it was for cosplay. A good game is still a good game though. He may be a pervert, but I don't think that changes the fact he makes outstanding games.

The reason for her dress in the game is ridiculous though, but Quiet also gets a proper ending in that game and, until Konami patched it,
because she was such a powerful partner, you felt impacted by her leaving. There is actually an element of loss and the game does handle that well.
 
So, to be clear, this



leads to



Okay, good stuff. Very rational thinking.
It may not be rational, but I have plenty of reasons to hate Prey 2.

I wouldn't mind hearing about Prey 2 if any topic related to PREY 2017 doesnt get derailed to Prey 2 shitposting all the bloody time.

In short, it's fine if you lament over Prey 2. Just don't be a dick about it
 
Quite frankly I find most discussion surrounding just about every aspect of video games to be needlessly antagonistic.

-Liberal use of hyperbole and/or stating their opinion in an objective fashion to get their point across.

-Use of intellectualism as a tool to position oneself as an authority/superior to someone with an opposing viewpoint.

-Passive aggressive/subliminal attacks for liking/disliking something someone else does/does not. No one should feel ostracized for liking a game the majority dislikes or disliking a game the majority likes. So long as discourse is kept respectful on both sides, all opinions should be welcome.

-Console Wars or this incessant need to attack a brand and downplay any positives of that platform while ignoring a majority if not all of your preferred platform’s criticisms is unfathomable to me. Some are even emboldened enough to subliminally diss the owners of a platform. Among the worst are those that try to hide behind metrics such as sales and reviews to push their agenda or pretending concern to draw a reaction.

-Hot takes are seemingly more valued and given attention to than thought out statements.

-Aiming for "Gotchas" or cherry picking posts in order to "win" an argument.

-Ultimately, 95% of gaming discussions where there are opposing viewpoints usually devolve into arguments and no one’s stances are changed or expanded, it’s just people repeatedly talking past each other in circles and in certain topics (on Neogaf at least) the exact same posters.

I am not stating this from a stance of moral superiority as that’s not my intent (not to mention that would be hypocritical), I just feel that a strong portion of gaming discourse is driven from a place of hostility and if it is not, then that’s where the discourse ultimately ends up regardless.

Bloody brilliant post, this!!
 

Savantcore

Unconfirmed Member
On the subject of console wars, I find it strange that Xbox One fans' most touted 'win' in 2017 is getting to spend another 400-500 dollars.

Scorpio will be a lovely bit of kit, but I think that 'Haha sucks to be PS4 owners, we get to buy a new console this year!' is a bizarre argument for fanboys to throw in the face of actual new games and stuff.
 

Pixieking

Banned
People's obsession with Valve making games is absolutely dumb.

Do you obsess about LucasFilm making movies? (actually, people probably do).

It's just, like, why does every single bloody Valve thread descend into HL3pls/Steam is shit? It's neither interesting nor witty, and it just shits-up the thread and pushes things off-topic.

The "Chet Faliszek leaves Valve" thread could be really interesting, considering that he's been not just Valve's VR evangelist, but pretty-much the game's industry's VR evangelist.

But, noooo... 4 posts in, and someone's complaining about the lack of games Valve are working on.
 

LordRaptor

Member
It's just, like, why does every single bloody Valve thread descend into HL3pls/Steam is shit? It's neither interesting nor witty, and it just shits-up the thread and pushes things off-topic.

This is primarily a North American Console Gamer forum, so that's the perspective they bring to things.

VR games, indie titles and games for - shudder - girls and casuals on steams front page?
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There doesn't seem to be a NBA2k17 thread going, so let me just say here that while I'm having fun playing basketball, the game fucking sucks. I keep pumping the playmaking stat on my SF so my ball handling improves, yet I lose the ball near instantly, or the ball is striped nearly every time, with the difficulty above pro. A pro player that doesn't even know how to dribble the ball twice without losing it. There are a hundred little things like that that I just don't get. I also have a sharpshooter that is a bricklaying machine, regardless of open looks.

And the way micro-transactions are built into the game can suck my ass. Pure trash.
 
Didn't really realize it was one until recently, but my view of the character of Buck from Halo.

Dude sucked in ODST as a leader of squad with no real feel of command, and his "humour" when they fitted him in Spartan gear in 5 was obnoxious. I don't see why anyone likes him besides him having Nathan Fillion's voice and mug.
 

ASaiyan

Banned
Out of the ones I've finished, Ocarina is my least favorite Zelda game.
No, I haven't played Zelda II. Yes, I have played Skyward Sword.
I played it for the first time on 3DS and I did like it, but I definitely didn't find it to be "fantastic" or "the best game ever made". I much prefer WW & TP (with Wind Waker being probably my all-time favorite).
 

MoonFrog

Member
People's obsession with Valve making games is absolutely dumb.

Do you obsess about LucasFilm making movies? (actually, people probably do).

It's just, like, why does every single bloody Valve thread descend into HL3pls/Steam is shit? It's neither interesting nor witty, and it just shits-up the thread and pushes things off-topic.

The "Chet Faliszek leaves Valve" thread could be really interesting, considering that he's been not just Valve's VR evangelist, but pretty-much the game's industry's VR evangelist.

But, noooo... 4 posts in, and someone's complaining about the lack of games Valve are working on.
Most threads are full of a lot of people saying the same things over again, whether or not they are strictly on topic, just slightly adjusted to the topic. Very guilty of this myself...

People have things they want to say. Axes to grind. Quips they want to have heard. Etc. Probably doesn't help that GAF doesn't tend to be very conversation oriented and is really more about finding and reading good/interesting posts than it is about talking to people.
 
Inside is okay. Don't get me wrong the style of it and design of it are great. But something about it felt off. After all the hype I was waiting for that moment where it would all come together, though for me it didn't.

I'm glad I played it but I don't think it's as great as it is made out to be. And before anyone asks yes I liked Limbo.
 

Liamc723

Member
It may not be rational, but I have plenty of reasons to hate Prey 2.

I wouldn't mind hearing about Prey 2 if any topic related to PREY 2017 doesnt get derailed to Prey 2 shitposting all the bloody time.

In short, it's fine if you lament over Prey 2. Just don't be a dick about it

So you don't actually hate Prey 2 at all, which makes your statement of "Fuck that game so much" a little moronic.

You just don't like how people always compare the upcoming Prey to what was originally shown as the next Prey game.

The fault here seems to mostly lie with you actually, as seen in other threads, you seem to hold the new Prey game in a very high light when you haven't even played it yet.
 

night814

Member
Not a fan of over focus on graphics, would rather have games that have incredible gameplay then games that try to look like real life or are full of rediculous particle effects
 

Yoda

Member
The industry's standard for storytelling has hit an all time low in my opinion, aside from a few exceptions, I normally expect game stories to be intellectually bankrupt before I start playing. It's my belief part of this stems from gamers giving a pass to games which aren't 100% narrative focused. For example CoD/Destiny can have a dog-shit story because "I'm buying it for the multiplah breh!". This is despite the fact that hiring a few writers it probably the least expensive part of the game's overall budget, but publishers know gamers will turn a blind eye to it, so they underfund this aspect of gaming entirely.
 

RM8

Member
They can have both, and often do.
I'd say it rarely happens, if ever. That's how you end up with games like Ryse or The Order, time and money are not infinite resources and a disproportionate focus on visuals will cause the cutting of some corners. Some of the best playing games right now are indies with visuals better described as functional.
 

Melchiah

Member
I'd say it rarely happens, if ever. That's how you end up with games like Ryse or The Order, time and money are not infinite resources and a disproportionate focus on visuals will cause the cutting of some corners. Some of the best playing games right now are indies with visuals better described as functional.

That's because you're just thinking about cinematic games, when the post stated, "look like real life or are full of rediculous particle effects". So, that would include games of wide variety, like Resogun, Destiny, Driveclub, Bloodborne*, and Horizon Zero Dawn. They all feature good gameplay/combat mechanics.


* People often overlook the level of detail and geometry, when they talk about visuals.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-bloodborne-performance-analysis
Such drops show a 60fps target was always a stretch for a game running with this level of detail - the world filled as it is with a staggering density of objects. Every new area is cluttered with points of interest, from coffins twisted in chains, looming gargoyles, derelict wagons and crooked iron fences. It's a richly bleak sprawl set on cobblestones, tightly wound, and yet its vistas broad enough to show your small place in the city.

This high level of geometry is unlike anything we've seen from the studio before. As ever, level-of-detail (LOD) transitions are often too discrete to catch by eye, with the worst occurring for just a split-second on loading a new area. There are twists and turns that catch the engine off-guard too, but for the most part it streams in assets without a sweat.
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I completely lost interest in 2D games after playing Mario 64.
 
So you don't actually hate Prey 2 at all, which makes your statement of "Fuck that game so much" a little moronic.

You just don't like how people always compare the upcoming Prey to what was originally shown as the next Prey game.

The fault here seems to mostly lie with you actually, as seen in other threads, you seem to hold the new Prey game in a very high light when you haven't even played it yet.

If there's any thread where nobody needs to back up or justify their opinions, it's this one. He doesn't owe you a good enough/satisfactory reason for saying "fuck Prey 2." That's kind of the whole point of this thread.
 

Liamc723

Member
If there's any thread where nobody needs to back up or justify their opinions, it's this one. He doesn't owe you a good enough/satisfactory reason for saying "fuck Prey 2." That's kind of the whole point of this thread.

When his opinion does not make any sense, yes he should at least try and back it up.
 
So you don't actually hate Prey 2 at all, which makes your statement of "Fuck that game so much" a little moronic.

You just don't like how people always compare the upcoming Prey to what was originally shown as the next Prey game.

The fault here seems to mostly lie with you actually, as seen in other threads, you seem to hold the new Prey game in a very high light when you haven't even played it yet.


I just think it's tiring that people keep bringing up Prey 2 whenever talking about Prey 2017

Honestly, I think most people loved Prey 2 for its concept rather than possibly being a good game or not (Who knows)
 

Liamc723

Member
I just think it's tiring that people keep bringing up Prey 2 whenever talking about Prey 2017

Honestly, I think most people loved Prey 2 for its concept rather than possibly being a good game or not (Who knows)

So this is yours and the people comparing Prey 2 to the new one's fault.

Not the game's own fault. "Fuck this game so much" is dumb.
 

Aaron D.

Member
Trails in the Sky FC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witcher 3

Played both for the first time this year. Quit Witcher 3 out of sheer boredom after about 15 hours. With roughly the same time logged into the first Trails, I'm absolutely over the moon.

And I don't even like JRPGs!

Yeah, yeah...apples and oranges. But even so, they're both still fruit.
 

GamerJM

Banned
2017 isn't really close to being the best year ever for games so far even if it is a good year. It is very hard to manage everything coming out, but that's more attributable to almost all of the big games this year being long as hell which isn't necessarily a good thing (though it's also not necessarily bad either). Also gaming in general hit a high point in the 2000s (from the PS2 era through early gen 7) that it'll probably never hit again, at least for the foreseeable future.
 

rulerk1

Member
Xenoblade chronicles looks horrible, almost ps2 quality. Star Ocean three looks better than that Wii has some beautiful games too so I don't get it
 
BOTWs half assed map that doesn't provide tools to make a good map hurts the gane so much that I don't think it would even get 5% as much praise if it was made by anyone else.
 

Zakalwe

Banned
Mass Effect: Andromeda problems are overblown. Reviewers get affected by positive or negative hype of games and gives scores accordingly.
The game is so much better than FF15 and Fallout4 in a lot of aspects but those games got a pass while ME:A didn't, which is fine as issues shouldn't get pass anyway.

MA:A lacks any kind of charm, or soul, or whatever it was that made the original trilogy so appealing. It follows many of the same design principles, but it ends up feeling hollow.

Reviews were spot on.

AAA gaming and the chase for a photo realistic aesthetic are for people that have no imagination of their own.

Wow. That's a pretty horrible statement.
 

GamerJM

Banned
The 3DS's resolution is completely fine and it's a great piece of hardware all around, the XL variations are very comfortable. The only Citra upres thing that's impressed me are the Pokemon ones.
 

I.R.I.S.

Neo Member
The Witcher series has such boring gameplay I refuse to play them, despite Witcher 3 being recommended as one of the best PC games by everyone ever.
 
The Witcher series has such boring gameplay I refuse to play them, despite Witcher 3 being recommended as one of the best PC games by everyone ever.
Yeaaaaah I tried so hard to enjoy this game. So hard. I put a lot of hours in, played a few of the "amazing" side quests, and just didn't see it.

Breath of the Wild as an open world that was actually compelling to explore was just so much better
 
The Witcher series has such boring gameplay I refuse to play them, despite Witcher 3 being recommended as one of the best PC games by everyone ever.

Having poor mechanics and being a good video game are mutually exclusive things to me personally. But people clearly people long for different things in their games.
 
Shadow of Mordor really sucks. The new one looks especially bad, horrible animations, knock-off, a bad iteration of Batman Arkham Knights combat system, a brown looking game with generally terrible dialogue and narrative pacing.

Just straight up awful. The entire experience is carried by a single interesting feature but it's not enough to excuse the rest of the game being garbage.
 

Camisado

Member
Even in this thread I feel unsure about posting this...

Breath of the wild is 'OK'

The way people hyped this game up was infectious and I went against my better judgement and bought a switch with a copy. It's an ok game, I'm kind of enjoying it, but really it's just a very loose open world game with no direction. The weapon breaking mechanic is frustrating to me but I can see the points others make about it. What is inexcusable however is slipping while climbing in the rain. It rains a lot for me in that game and all you can really do is wait it out.
 
Even in this thread I feel unsure about posting this...

Breath of the wild is 'OK'

The way people hyped this game up was infectious and I went against my better judgement and bought a switch with a copy. It's an ok game, I'm kind of enjoying it, but really it's just a very loose open world game with no direction. The weapon breaking mechanic is frustrating to me but I can see the points others make about it. What is inexcusable however is slipping while climbing in the rain. It rains a lot for me in that game and all you can really do is wait it out.

I agree with you, I don't think it's any sort of masterpiece. One of the least interesting Zelda titles for me.
 
Quite frankly I find most discussion surrounding just about every aspect of video games to be needlessly antagonistic.

-Liberal use of hyperbole and/or stating their opinion in an objective fashion to get their point across.

-Use of intellectualism as a tool to position oneself as an authority/superior to someone with an opposing viewpoint.

-Passive aggressive/subliminal attacks for liking/disliking something someone else does/does not. No one should feel ostracized for liking a game the majority dislikes or disliking a game the majority likes. So long as discourse is kept respectful on both sides, all opinions should be welcome.

-Console Wars or this incessant need to attack a brand and downplay any positives of that platform while ignoring a majority if not all of your preferred platform’s criticisms is unfathomable to me. Some are even emboldened enough to subliminally diss the owners of a platform. Among the worst are those that try to hide behind metrics such as sales and reviews to push their agenda or pretending concern to draw a reaction.

-Hot takes are seemingly more valued and given attention to than thought out statements.

-Aiming for "Gotchas" or cherry picking posts in order to "win" an argument.

-Ultimately, 95% of gaming discussions where there are opposing viewpoints usually devolve into arguments and no one’s stances are changed or expanded, it’s just people repeatedly talking past each other in circles and in certain topics (on Neogaf at least) the exact same posters.

I am not stating this from a stance of moral superiority as that’s not my intent (not to mention that would be hypocritical), I just feel that a strong portion of gaming discourse is driven from a place of hostility and if it is not, then that’s where the discourse ultimately ends up regardless.

Wow. Just wow. I have no words to respond to this, so I'll just use a GIF:

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SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Hearthstone is a game of luck. Regardless of what anyone says (and they're full of shit if they say otherwise), there's no skill involved. It's entirely up to whether the game wants to fuck you or your opponent. So many cards rely on chance. Stealing a random enemy. Gain cards from an opponent's class. Gain a card from an opponent's hand. Nothing more then luck. I also notice that if an opponent is playing a deck made up of small minions, Hearthstone will keep you from getting the spell cards you need to wipe them out in one play.

And don't get me started on fucking Tavern Brawls. They're always an unbalanced mess where either you or your opponent get fucked over.

I feel so invested in this game that I keep playing, but it's getting aggravating.
 

Regiruler

Member
The Faron region in Breath of the Wild sucks because it has no story components or locations that really set it apart.
You have a fishing town, and...?

My guess is that's where the DLC dungeon will be, but there should have been something in the base game.
 

Q8D3vil

Member
Hearthstone is a game of luck. Regardless of what anyone says (and they're full of shit if they say otherwise), there's no skill involved. It's entirely up to whether the game wants to fuck you or your opponent. So many cards rely on chance. Stealing a random enemy. Gain cards from an opponent's class. Gain a card from an opponent's hand. Nothing more then luck. I also notice that if an opponent is playing a deck made up of small minions, Hearthstone will keep you from getting the spell cards you need to wipe them out in one play.

And don't get me started on fucking Tavern Brawls. They're always an unbalanced mess where either you or your opponent get fucked over.

I feel so invested in this game that I keep playing, but it's getting aggravating.
tbh, It depend on what kind of deck your playing :
- If its something like say tier 3 or 4 control then its probably 60% skill 40% luck to pilot the deck, for example control priest, control palladin and control shaman.

- If its aggro like pirates or druid then its 20% skill and 80% luck since having good mulligan is the most important thing since your only going to hit face for the rest of the game.

- Something like mage is just rng fiesta since getting an extra spell off rng means you can just throw fireballs to the face without thinking twice.

There is a skill in identifying the meta your in and teching against it or even making a deck from the ground up based on the meta. But Mulligan and other shit is just luck based.

Everything above is based on the current meta, previous meta used to be worse.

btw, i reached legends 5 times using tier 3-4 control decks.
 

Pepboy

Member
The Witcher series has such boring gameplay I refuse to play them, despite Witcher 3 being recommended as one of the best PC games by everyone ever.

I agreed, bought w1 and w2 and thought they were pretty poor games... But eventually had a friend sell me on w3 and it clicked for me.

Though the combat itself is not perfect. Kind of like arkham city.
 
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