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[FlyyGOD]

Who are they making this game for and what is the target audience? The way money is burnt in gaming industry is crazy. This so called "modern audience" has proven to be non existent or not big enough to make games like these profitable. Surely you have to ask yourself when making a game who the target audience is. Problem is Microsoft is so woke as a company (as are many publishers these days) they are ok with burning their own money. Only problem is they then end up laying off devs when games like these fail. Absolute idiots, all of them.

I suppose every protagonist should only br white or Asian I guess. Fuck having a Black or Hispanic hero in a game huh?

 

[clarky]

Disagree. Who is the target audience?

Xbox needs to get a grip and stop greenlighting shit like this. Ninja Gadien is a step in the right direction.

 

[Edder1]

I suppose every protagonist should only br white or Asian I guess. Fuck having a Black or Hispanic hero in a game huh?

Don't be daft. They originally had white protagonist and then changed it to black with involvement from Sweet Baby Inc, it's obviously politically motivated. And btw, there have been plenty non white characters in gaming before the woke era and nobody said anything, stop acting like it was never the case. There's a big difference between forced diversity through DEI and natural diversity that always existed in gaming.

 

[clarky]

I suppose every protagonist should only br white or Asian I guess. Fuck having a Black or Hispanic hero in a game huh?

Lol fuck off with this shit.

 

[adamsapple]

Disagree. Who is the target audience?

People who want third person action/adventure games? It looks like a fairly bog standard playing one of those with a unique art style.

Xbox needs to get a grip and stop greenlighting shit like this. Ninja Gadien is a step in the right direction.

There's room enough for big AAA games but also for smaller AA games to pad the gaps in-between.

 

[Jigsaah]

For those who are just obvious bandwagoners for the woke crowd...a "Woke" game requires there to be some sort of social agenda. It is usually coupled with some shoehorned message the game is trying to convey. DragonAge the Veilguard is woke. The Last of Us Part 2 is woke....well done, but definitely woke. Hell, some might say Spiderman 2 is woke.

Just because it's a story about a Southern Black family does not make the game woke and those who assume it is are being intellectually dishonest or altogether simply ignorant. Just because people who may not be black decided to make a game with this kind of story, does not make the game automatically woke. You gotta look deeper than the simple trailer before just assuming the game is woke.

I been screaming this about Naughty Dog's game too. People just seem so fuckin sensitive. Instantly offended by even the slightest possibility that a game might be woke when half of you don't even know how to describe it.

It's infuriating.

 

[Black_Stride]

Disagree. Who is the target audience?

Xbox needs to get a grip and stop greenlighting shit like this. Ninja Gadien is a step in the right direction.

Me.
I like action/adventure games with interesting lore and unique artstyles.

 

[clarky]

Me.
I like action/adventure games with interesting lore and unique artstyles.

Fair enough. I didn't say this will appeal to nobody but I think the audience will be small.

The dev's last game was a big miss and that was 7 years ago. 7 years. This must have cost a ton.

Compulsion and Ninja Theory were terrible panic buys at the time. They were both going under for a reason.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Disagree. Who is the target audience?

People who play video games I suppose.

Don't be daft. They originally had white protagonist and then changed it to black with involvement from Sweet Baby Inc. it's obviously politically motivated. And btw, there have been plenty non white characters in gaming before the woke era and nobody said anything, stop acting like it was never the case. There's a big difference between forced diversity through DEI and natural diversity that always existed in gaming.

The creative process is malleable, and things happen while in that process that create drastic narrative changes. Han Solo was once a green fish man and that ended up changing drastically. The MC may have been white but it doesn't mean anything that she changed to a black girl in the creative process. Why is it such a big deal that the race of one gaming character changed and some person that works at company has a shitty view on the world. It's not a real world view it's faux redress from some imagined slight and thus all the responses feel fabricated as well.



Nothing about the narrative of the game feels forced because the girl is black. Would it have worked if she were white or a guy? Would have probably been fine. Not like the setting doesn't vibe. Feels like Princess and the Frog...unless that movie was an issue too?

 

[Edder1]

For those who are just obvious bandwagoners for the woke crowd...a "Woke" game requires there to be some sort of social agenda. It is usually coupled with some shoehorned message the game is trying to convey. DragonAge the Veilguard is woke. The Last of Us Part 2 is woke....well done, but definitely woke. Hell, some might say Spiderman 2 is woke.

Just because it's a story about a Southern Black family does not make the game woke and those who assume it is are being intellectually dishonest or altogether simply ignorant. Just because people who may not be black decided to make a game with this kind of story, does not make the game automatically woke. You gotta look deeper than the simple trailer before just assuming the game is woke.

I been screaming this about Naughty Dog's game too. People just seem so fuckin sensitive. Instantly offended by even the slightest possibility that a game might be woke when half of you don't even know how to describe it.

It's infuriating.

Don't be silly. The original main character was white, they changed it later on. The southern setting and the vibe of the game clearly shows that they were gonna go with white chick at first. This is clearly politically motivated, especially with Sweet Baby Inc. involvement. This is no different when Druckman said he changed gender of some of his characters because of DEI.

The other problem with these woke games is how you can clearly see they were written by bunch of white nerdy dudes who don't understand how to write a black character, hence why lot of black characters in games come out as forced and uninteresting. Alan Wake 2 is good example of this. Not saying white people can't write non white characters, they obviously can, but it doesn't work when it's forced and the writing team is not equipped for this. Involvement of Sweet Baby makes things worse because how cringy those people are and how bad the characters are in games they are involved in.

There are many examples of well written non white characters written by white devs without DEI, just go look how diverse cast of Gears of War trilogy were and how well those characters were written. Sergeant Johnson from Halo games is one of the most beloved characters from that series. CJ from San Andeas. Tommy from Vice City. Eli Vance and Alyx from Half Life. There are many more examples.

 

[clarky]

People who play video games I suppose.

Yeah just like a vegan burger is targeted at people who eat food.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Disagree. Who is the target audience?

Xbox needs to get a grip and stop greenlighting shit like this. Ninja Gadien is a step in the right direction.

They love sending these arthouse projects like this and Hellblade 2 out to die.

 

[Edder1]

The creative process is malleable, and things happen while in that process that create drastic narrative changes. Han Solo was once a green fish man and that ended up changing drastically. The MC may have been white but it doesn't mean anything that she changed to a black girl in the creative process. Why is it such a big deal that the race of one gaming character changed and some person that works at company has a shitty view on the world. It's not a real world view it's faux redress from some imagined slight and thus all the responses feel fabricated as well.

Nothing about the narrative of the game feels forced because the girl is black. Would it have worked if she were white or a guy? Would have probably been fine. Not like the setting doesn't vibe. Feels like Princess and the Frog...unless that movie was an issue too?

I'm yet to see a really compelling character that was forced into game because of DEI. DEI characters are usually bland in both personality and looks, something that is so obvious with this game. Alan Wake 2 suffers heavily from this with how poorly bland Saga was written as a character.

Some of my favourite games from more than a decade ago involve non white characters, but that was way before woke era and DEI, hence why those characters didn't come across as just another token.

 

[clarky]

They love sending these arthouse projects like this and Hellblade 2 out to die.

Doesn't matter what the game is, look at Indy. Great game, same results.

MS needs to end this madness.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Yeah just like a vegan burger is targeted at people who eat food.

Vegan is implied in its mandate of who it's targeted to. Including Black folks doesn't exclude anyone else and anyone who feels that way needs to hang with more people in the real world. I don't feel excluded if the MC is not male because it's fiction. I played Tomb Raider Trilogy just fine, didn't feel a thing. Main was Chun -Li , who cares? I can't see the divide in this. I'm sure there are times where it is DEI but this does not seem to be one of those times.

 

[Jigsaah]

Don't be silly. The original main character was white, they changed it later on. The southern setting and the vibe of the game clearly shows that they were gonna go with white chick at first. This is clearly politically motivated, especially with Sweet Baby Inc. involvement. This is no different when Druckman said he changed gender of some of his characters because of DEI.

The other problem with these woke games is how you can clearly see they were written by bunch of white nerdy dudes who don't understand how to write a black character, hence why lot of black characters in games come out as forced and uninteresting. Alan Wake 2 is good example of this. Not saying white people can't write non white characters, they obviously can, but it doesn't work when it's forced and the writing team is not equipped for this. Involvement of Sweet Baby makes things worse because how cringy those people are and how bad the characters are in games they are involved in.

There are many examples of well written non white characters written by white devs without DEI, just go look how diverse cast of Gears of War trilogy were and how well those characters were written. Sergeant Johnson from Halo games is one of the most beloved characters from that series. CJ from San Andeas. Tommy from Vice City. Eli Vance and Alyx from Half Life. There are many more examples.

I'll acknowledge that Sweet Baby Inc. involvement does warrant suspicion given their track record. That does not mean the writers have included a shoehorned forced message like you are mentioning here. All I'm saying is wait til the game comes out before determining whether it's woke or not. You don't even have to play it...the critics will eat the game alive if it is woke. So far, the setting and the characters seem natural There's definitely a voodoo vibe going on. I assume it's set Louisiana, given the Cajun accents. It all fits so far. It does not matter if the MC was black or white in the beginning. What does matter is why did it change? We can assume it was Sweet Baby Inc's consulting that did it, but as far as I'm concerned, as long as the end product doesn't seem forced or unnatural....then it's fine.

Now should the got damn catfish start talking about it's non-binary or start having dialogue about coming out to its 150 or so siblings then ding ding ding...woke as fuck.

 

[FalconPunch]

This game looks great and I'm usually in the anti woke crowd. If the only offense this game has committed is consulting with SBI, I couldn't be bothered. I like the artstyle, the accent used in the conversation, the story telling and the main characters demeanor. Nothing that I saw from the developer direct threw up a giant red flag for me. Like I said in the other thread, this character doesn't give off the "I can suplex Brock Lesner vibe" that Aloy, Lara and many other recent female characters give off. She just seems like a normal character.....

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I'm yet to see a really compelling character that was forced into game because of DEI. DEI characters are usually bland in both personality and looks, something that is so obvious with this game. Alan Wake 2 suffers heavily from this with how poorly bland Saga was written as a character.

Some of my favourite games from more than a decade ago involve non white characters, but that was way before woke era and DEI, hence why those characters didn't come across as just another token.

The bayou ass fish feels authentic to me. They nailed that shit like a floorboard. This entire conversation is a toll too early for an exit too far. Let SOMEONE play the game and see if it's what it may appear to before we asses our own bias to it. (That includes me )

 

[Mister Wolf]

Doesn't matter what the game is, look at Indy. Great game, same results.

MS needs to end this madness.

Have first person games in the fashion of Indiana Jones ever been big sellers? I know neither Dishonored 1 or 2 set the world on fire with sales. What's the highest selling one you can think of?

 

[clarky]

Vegan is implied in its mandate of who it's targeted to. Including Black folks doesn't exclude anyone else and anyone who feels that way needs to hang with more people in the real world. I don't feel excluded if the MC is not male because it's fiction. I played Tomb Raider Trilogy just fine, didn't feel a thing. Main was Chun -Li , who cares? I can't see the divide in this. I'm sure there are times where it is DEI but this does not seem to be one of those times.

Chun-Li had killer thighs and a mean spinning bird kick. This chick looks like someone who'd get pissy because I forgot to record Friends.

 

[Edder1]

I'll acknowledge that Sweet Baby Inc. involvement does warrant suspicion given their track record. That does not mean the writers have included a shoehorned forced message like you are mentioning here. All I'm saying is wait til the game comes out before determining whether it's woke or not. You don't even have to play it...the critics will eat the game alive if it is woke. So far, the setting and the characters seem natural There's definitely a voodoo vibe going on. I assume it's set Louisiana, given the Cajun accents. It all fits so far. It does not matter if the MC was black or white in the beginning. What does matter is why did it change? We can assume it was Sweet Baby Inc's consulting that did it, but as far as I'm concerned, as long as the end product doesn't seem forced or unnatural....then it's fine.

Now should the got damn catfish start talking about it's non-binary or start having dialogue about coming out to its 150 or so siblings then ding ding ding...woke as fuck.

The problem is she comes across as many other black female characters we've been seeing for the last decade: visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hence why these games keep failing.

 

[Zacfoldor]

There are tons of games with Black or Hispanic hero protags so why are we pretending that these are rare? The current game I'm playing has a black protag. Woke is a different issue.

If the game is woke af(which I'm sure it will be, but we'll see I guess) I'm not gonna be mad about it, I will just skip it. It is okay to skip a game if it does not appeal to me.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Chun-Li had killer thighs and a mean spinning bird kick. This chick looks like someone who'd get pissy because I forgot to record Friends.

I rather like the trope when the puny and unassuming become powerful badass.


“Judge me by my size do you?”

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Personally I don't care about whether this game is "Woke" or not.

I'm just not interested in it whatsoever. It looks lame. From the character, art, graphics, combat. It just screams "mid" and completely forgettable to me.

If I want to play a character action game, I want it to look cool and stylish. This looks slow and dull. it doesn't help that it's guilty by association when it comes to the choices made when deciding on key aspects of their game's themes.

 

[clarky]

Have first person games in the fashion of Indiana Jones ever been big sellers? I know neither Dishonored 1 or 2 set the world on fire with sales. What's the highest selling one you can think of?

Maybe Deus Ex and is various sequels are the best selling? Indy is not true immersive sim though in my eyes, the systems and AI are too simple

Personally I don't care about whether this game is "Woke" or not.

I'm just not interested in it whatsoever. It looks lame. From the character, art, graphics, combat. It just screams "mid" and completely forgettable to me.

If I want to play a character action game, I want it to look cool and stylish. This looks slow and dull. it doesn't help that it's guilty by association when it comes to the choices made when deciding on key aspects of their game's themes.

Nailed it.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Not sure less than 10% of the We Happy Few devs hits how he wanted. Ha! White Canadian devs wanting help on Deep South folklore actually makes sense.

Maybe SBI didn’t ruin this one and they just actually needed the help? We’ll see. Looks like a decent 7 to me so far.

 

[FalconPunch]

The problem is she comes across as many other black female characters we've been seeing for the last decade: visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hency why these games keep failing.

Its wild how people can watch the same thing and arrive at wildly different conclusions.... I got none of that from the trailer at all. Then again, if you look at it with your pre established biases, I can see why you'd look for any reason to discredit it.... It's weird to see how you got all that from a 1min ish trailer....

 

[Edder1]

Its wild how people can watch the same thing and arrive at wildly different conclusions.... I got none of that from the trailer at all. Then again, if you look at it with your pre established biases, I can see why you'd look for any reason to discredit it.... It's weird to see how you got all that from a 1min ish trailer....

Seems like you are in the overwhelming minority though. They showed way more than 1min of the game by this point, lol.

 

[Jigsaah]

The problem is she comes across as many other blcak female characters we've been seeing for the last decade, visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hency why these games keep failing.

Black women in general vary greatly and it's a shame that they are largely depicted in these ways. I'm sitting here trying to think of one game with a black female protagonist who wasn't checking these boxes. There are not many games to choose from to be honest...

South of midnight - TBD, doesn't seem masculine to me...visually unappealing is strictly subjective.
Dishonored Death of the Outsider - disfigured, tough, masculine
Forspoken - Annoying, cringe, looked ok I guess, to each their own.
Alan Wake II - I don't think female black lead here(Saga Anderson) was so bad. Generally attractive. Tough though, as one should expect from an FBI agent
Deathloop - Generally attractive, fit the story nicely
Resident Evil 5 -Sheva was badass, visually appealing.

That's all I can think of honestly.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Black women in general vary greatly and it's a shame that they are largely depicted in these ways. I'm sitting here trying to think of one game with a black female protagonist who wasn't checking these boxes. There are not many games to choose from to be honest...

South of midnight - TBD, doesn't seem masculine to me...visually unappealing is strictly subjective.
Dishonored Death of the Outsider - disfigured, tough, masculine
Forspoken - Annoying, cringe, looked ok I guess, to each their own.
Alan Wake II - I don't think female black lead here(Saga Anderson) was so bad. Generally attractive. Tough though, as one should expect from an FBI agent
Deathloop - Generally attractive, fit the story nicely
Resident Evil 5 -Sheva was badass, visually appealing.

That's all I can think of honestly.

I thought the fight with her mother seemed forced and kind of stupid in that cutscene. They also both came across a idiots having not evacuated sooner. Look how nonchalant they both were given that storm and flooding.

 

[skyfinch]

Mark my words. This will be PS5 Pro's game of the year.

 

[Edder1]

Black women in general vary greatly and it's a shame that they are largely depicted in these ways. I'm sitting here trying to think of one game with a black female protagonist who wasn't checking these boxes. There are not many games to choose from to be honest...

South of midnight - TBD, doesn't seem masculine to me...visually unappealing is strictly subjective.
Dishonored Death of the Outsider - disfigured, tough, masculine
Forspoken - Annoying, cringe, looked ok I guess, to each their own.
Alan Wake II - I don't think female black lead here(Saga Anderson) was so bad. Generally attractive. Tough though, as one should expect from an FBI agent
Deathloop - Generally attractive, fit the story nicely
Resident Evil 5 -Sheva was badass, visually appealing.

That's all I can think of honestly.

Forspoken: The main protagonist was literally a meme, I don't even wanna get into it.

Alan Wake 2: Saga was heavily disliked by a large section of those who played the game. She added nothing to the game and was very bland. I mean she was so bland she made Alan super interesting, who let's be honest is someone who has a very dry personality.

Deathloop: Both protagonists were whatever, nothing special or terrible about them. Not a game I would associate with good writing or deep characters.

RE5: That was before the current trends in gaming, in time where we got non white characters who were diverse and cool.

Funny how DEI was supposed to save diversity in gaming and yet era before 2013 had way better non white characters.

 

[Black_Stride]

The problem is she comes across as many other black female characters we've been seeing for the last decade: visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hency why these games keep failing.

The last decade?????
Name them.


You make it sound like theres some epidemic of these characters being created when they are the vast vast vast vast minority.

Forspoken: The main protagonist was literally a meme, I don't even wanna get into it.

Alan Wake 2: Saga was heavily disliked by a large section of those who played the game. She added nothing to the game and was very bland. I mean she was so bland she made Alan super interesting, who let's be honest is someone who has a very dry personality.

Deathloop: Both protagonists were whatever, nothing special or terrible about them. Not a game I would associate with good writing or deep characters.

RE5: That was before the current trends in gaming, in time where we got non white characters who were diverse and cool.

Funny how DEI was supposed to save diversity in gaming and yet era before 2013 had way better non white characters.

Thats 3 games.
And hard disagree on Julianna she was awesome.


Alyx - Alyx
Clementine - TWD
Aveline - AC: Liberation
Billie - Dishonored
Storm - Midnight Suns


All very varied which is why Im shocked you are saying shes coming across like many other black female protagonists when there arent even many other black female protagonists to talk about?

If you are gonna start listing some random indie games, please dont.

 

[Edder1]

The last decade?????
Name them.


You make it sound like theres some epidemic of these characters being created when they are the vast vast vast vast minority.





Thats 3 games.
And hard disagree on Julianna she was awesome.


Alyx - Alyx
Clementine - TWD
Aveline - AC: Liberation
Billie - Dishonored
Storm - Midnight Suns


All very varied which is why Im shocked you are saying shes coming across like many other black female protagonists when there arent even many other black female protagonists to talk about?

If you are gonna start listing some random indie games, please dont.

Dude, lol, did you even read what I said in my comments on this topic before posting? Alyx was originally written by Valve 20 years ago already. AC Liberation, Dishonoured and Walking Dead were all released in 2012 before DEI and woke era. So what do you have left then, couple of examples? Lol, I rest my case.

 

[Black_Stride]

Dude, lol, did you even read what I said in my comments on this topic before posting? Alyx was originally written by Valve 20 years ago already. AC Liberation, Dishonoured and Walking Dead were all released in 2012 before DEI and woke era. So what do you have left then, couple of examples? Lol, I rest my case.

I need you to give me the examples you speak of from the past decade because there arent that many black female protagonists to even talk about.


So name them. Please not random indie trash literally no one played.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

The problem is she comes across as many other black female characters we've been seeing for the last decade: visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hency why these games keep failing.

Yeah, we should go back to this:

There was nothing to complain about back then. Everyone was so different! /s

Anyway........I'm not saying doing any type of character repeatedly is good. But freaking out over the 6 or 7 black female protagonists over the past 10 years is silly imo.

Edit: An that image is just a sample. I've been gaming for 35+ years and it was always that way.

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

When was the last time you've been to DC? Extreme gentrification has happened and mostly black hasn't been a thing since the early 2000.

As of 2022 Black is still the largest demographic in DC at 43%. It's not "most" as in over 50%, but it is the most likely race to encounter.

At least population wise. Commuting government workers would probably change those numbers a bit in the daytime.

 

[Edder1]

Yeah, we should go back to this:

There was nothing to complain about back then. Everyone was so different! /s

Anyway........I'm not saying doing any type of character repeatedly is good. But freaking out over the 6 or 7 black female protagonists over the past 10 years is silly imo.

Lol, nice try. I already listed a bunch of games with non white protagonists that I liked prior to DEI Sweet Baby woke era. Kinda said people like you always resort to "white guy bad" narrative even though that had nothing to do with my point. Smh. Absolute idiocy.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Lol, nice try. I already listed a bunch of games with non white protagonists that I liked prior to DEI Sweet Baby woke era. Kinda said people like you always resort to "white guy bad" narrative even though that had nothing to do with my point. Smh. Absolute idiocy.

Not at one point did I say "white guy bad". Let's not do that. You made a statement about samey character types, so I provided an example of samey character types back when no one complained.

 

[Edder1]

Not at one point did I say "white guy bad". Let's not do that. You made a statement about samey character types, so I provided an example of samey character types back when no one complained.

I also provided plenty of non white characters that I liked, maybe you should follow conversation before assuming things. You not interested in the discussion though, you just wanna accuse others of racism/sexism because they don't agree with you. That's pathetic and childish. Go bother someone else with that bs.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I also provided plenty of non white characters that I liked, maybe you should follow conversation before assuming things. You not interested in the discussion though, you just wanna accuse others of racism/sexism because they don't agree with you. Sorry, that's pathetic. Go bother someone else with that bs.

Pretty sure I didn't accuse you of either of those things but ok I guess.

 

[N0S]

Yeah, we should go back to this:

There was nothing to complain about back then. Everyone was so different! /s

Anyway........I'm not saying doing any type of character repeatedly is good. But freaking out over the 6 or 7 black female protagonists over the past 10 years is silly imo.

Edit: An that image is just a sample. I've been gaming for 35+ years and it was always that way.

I didnt complain. Most of those games are good to great.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I didnt complain. Most of those games are good to great.

I agree. I just enjoyed games back then no matter who the protag was. Nowadays, the politics and culture wars are sucking the fun out of this hobby.

 

[Edder1]

Pretty sure I didn't accuse you of either of those things but ok I guess.

Dude, you posting the white dudes pic is clearly implying like it's something I want. You didn't even follow the conversation, you just want to throw your "you like white dudes as protagonists because you don't want other races represented" argument.

Your argument is pretty dumb anyway since devs were making games for the target audience, which is 70% white in US and 90% white in Europe, two of the biggest markets in gaming. Devs were also white male predominantly for a long time. Gamers were also predominantly white male. Things are obviously changing with gaming trends and gaming audience becoming diverse, hence why there will naturally be more representation. However the white male protagonist domination made perfect sense in gaming if you look at data and stop being emotional.

Having said that, diversity was always a thing in gaming though, there are plenty of non white lead and supporting characters in major games from 1995-2014. I know people like you wanna pretend like there were no non white characters in gaming before.

My original point was about how non white characters from prior to 2014 were way better represented and written than they are now, even though there's more of them now. DEI and wokism did not lead to better representation, because it tries to solve the problem with quantity and not quality. Consultant agencies like Sweet Baby only end up making games worse by introducing lame and cringy characters.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Probably closer to a Kena 2.

That's the vibe I get.

 

[Jigsaah]

I thought the fight with her mother seemed forced and kind of stupid in that cutscene. They also both came across a idiots having not evacuated sooner. Look how nonchalant they both were given that storm and flooding.

Yea I can kinda see that. Don't know if forced is the way I would describe it...maybe just bad acting. I've definitely had this kinda fight with my pop before though. Granted it wasn't during a hurricane lol.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I didnt complain. Most of those games are good to great.

Also, even though it's 36 brown haired guys they look pretty normal aside from being a little shabby with 5 o clock shadow.

When it comes to DEI, it's pretty stereotypical when it comes to females. Asian women are almost always extra thin, while Black women are usually loud with huge hair. As for Latino, Native Indian or East Indian women who knows because there's hardly any of them in games.

 

[Black_Stride]

My original point was about how non white characters from prior to 2014 were way better represented and written than they are now, even though there's more of them now. DEI and wokism did not lead to better representation, because it tries to solve the problem with quantity and not quality. Consultant agencies like Sweet Baby only end up making games worse by introducing lame and cringy characters.

You say this yet provide so few examples its might as well be circumstantial.

You mentioned what 3 black female leads who you didnt like, granted Julianne isnt even the lead and is actually a pretty cool character.
And how can you call Saga visually unappealing or having a bad attitude or cringy?
You can call her boring sure, but she doesnt fit your fake narrative.
So already your own argument is failing.

This is your post verbatim:

The problem is she comes across as many other black female characters we've been seeing for the last decade: visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hency why these games keep failing.




I asked you to provide examples of all these other black female protagonists who fit the description you provided.
You didnt do that, because they arent anywhere near enough female black leads you could even mention for your "point" to hold any water.
There is too small a sample size for you to make any sort of conclusions let alone be able to judge a character youve seen what all of 10 minutes of and say she is just like "all the other black girls" all the other girls being like 3 of them.............

Come on man, if you are gonna go mask off, then just go mask off.

 

[Edder1]

You say this yet provide so few examples its might as well be circumstantial.

You mentioned what 3 black female leads who you didnt like, granted Julianne isnt even the lead and is actually a pretty cool character.
And how can you call Saga visually unappealing or having a bad attitude or cringy?
You can call her boring sure, but she doesnt fit your fake narrative.
So already your own argument is failing.

This is your post verbatim:

The problem is she comes across as many other black female characters we've been seeing for the last decade: visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hency why these games keep failing.




I asked you to provide examples of all these other black female protagonists who fit the description you provided.
You didnt do that, because they arent anywhere near enough female black leads you could even mention for your "point" to hold any water.
There is too small a sample size for you to make any sort of conclusions let alone be able to judge a character youve seen what all of 10 minutes of and say she is just like "all the other black girls" all the other girls being like 3 of them.............

Come on man, if you are gonna go mask off, then just go mask off.

Lol. Another dude with indirect accusations... Mask off? What are trying to say, that I'm racist? You people are so predictable, it always has to he racism, sexism or some other dumb shit when someone disagrees with you, smh.

That quote from me wasn't implying that everyone that every character has those characteristics, but that generally they have some of those characteristics. Like Saga may not not be cringe, but she sure is dull as heck.

You saying that I that can't bring examples and yet you were the one that was triggered by my comments and yet you only brought a few examples yourself, most of them being before the woke DEI era that started at around 2014. And if you follow my comments then you'd know I brought a few examples myself just to highlight how many good non white/black characters there have been in gaming prior to 2013/2014. Maybe if you read those posts you'd stop throwing these indirect accusations and implying racism on my part. You're obviously not interested in dialogue though, you're just another typical internet bully who wants to insult people.

Jog on, I'm not interested.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

The problem is she comes across as many other black female characters we've been seeing for the last decade: visually unappealing, overly masculine, boring or bland personality, usually shitty attitude, cringy dialogue. It's like they were all made in the same factory.. Well, they were, it's called Sweet Baby Inc. People will not gravitate to these kind of protagonists, hency why these games keep failing.

Somewhere in there they talked about the "hero's journey" bullshit... hey now we saw this nonsense with Rey Starwars. This is appropriation, hero's journey is for dudes. Could have just been a black dude on a gumbo-fueled adventure beating the shit out of giant alligators, then if you nail the gameplay everybody would like it and everybody would be happy. But nooo, you need to make Phil Spencer's DEI lieutenants happy at all costs, so enjoy not making any of your investment back, assholes!