It's great to have an active thread to cover the current state of the art and upcoming technology. Under "other terms to know" you should probably cover the various flavors of HDR: Dolby Vision vs. HDR10, and the importance of meeting UHD Premium requirements to the HDR experience. I'd also recommend tackling the subject of Wide Color Gamut with a little detail on Rec.709 vs. DCI P3 vs. Rec.2020.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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holygeesus
Banned
You should believe more what us owners are telling you rather than myths you've heard elsewhere.
You could have a 10 hour gaming session with a burning white HUD on the screen - as soon as you turn off the TV, it runs a 15 minute compensation cycle that removes all traces. The only way you will notice IR at all, is if you have a 10 hour gaming session, then turn over immediately and watch hockey or something, as you will see the HUD. Ditto if you watch a 2.35:1 movie, then immediately switch to a full screen affair - you will see feint lines on light colours. Again, turn the set off for 15 minutes and they disappear.
You will not burn-in these sets, unless you run them 24/7 with a static image on screen, and never turn them off.
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
When I do finally get an OLED after CES, would the Halo 3 Calibration disk be any good to set it up?
DOT DASH DOT
Member
But it's an issue none the less, you still have to think about it to a certain degree, there just isn't and never will be an holy grail TV.
A good FALD is easily an excellent alternative, I chose one over OLED, massive brightness gains and still amazing blacks, even though it's not at the pixel level.
Have to say though, that IPS prototype by my Panny boys sounds very interesting.
Tarin02543
Member
I follow OLED news daily:
http://www.oled-info.com/
Sony and Panasonic are working on true RGB OLED panels through a joint venture called JOLED.
4K prototypes will be printed in 2017 for the medical field, commercial applications are expected 2019/2020.
I won't be buying an OLED until then.
http://www.oled-info.com/
Sony and Panasonic are working on true RGB OLED panels through a joint venture called JOLED.
4K prototypes will be printed in 2017 for the medical field, commercial applications are expected 2019/2020.
I won't be buying an OLED until then.
Beer Monkey
Member
If OLED can get down to two frames of lag, that's "good enough" for me. Less than two frames would be amazing. Hell, I might sell some of my CRTs.
Replying to a post from the old thread:
Wait, are you sure? I remember calibrating my XBR49X800D with 10-pt white balance controls unless multi-point gamma control is something else?True but no CMS or multi-point gamma control on the Sony
My 3 year old $1200 projector has all this.
I've got an Xbox logo burned into my ST50 from the old dashboard
That's 3-4 years from now.
If you're interested in OLED.. why not enjoy it until then?
Since I currently have a Benq W1070 I was looking into real 4K HDR projectors and man ... these things are going to be insanely expensive
If you are going to wait until 2020 then I suggest you start saving now for you new TV
If you are going to wait until 2020 then I suggest you start saving now for you new TV
Unknown Soldier
Member
Unlikely. Only one manufacturer makes OLEDs, they have some pretty distinct limitations, they still cost a lot more than LCDs, and it's not clear what kind of future they will have since the fundamental issues of burn-in and uneven pixel wear are unsolved and now Panasonic are saying they have invented the perfect IPS panel.
This is a nice thread though, even though the future still looks a lot like the past decade-plus of LCD dominating everything in the post-CRT era.
I got burn-in on a calibrated 65VT60. That was not a cheap TV. I'll never own a large-panel TV which has uneven pixel wear ever again as long as I live. This is why I'm passing on OLEDs until they reach CRT-like pixel life, or LCDs continue to advance until they are indistiguishable from OLEDs anyways.
Beer Monkey
Member
I've never had any image retention or burn-in on my 2008 Kuro even after 278 hours of Modern Warfare 2 with maybe 20 hours of other usage during that period. Panasonic never reached the potential of the tech.
Backfoggen
Banned
*lights a candle or whatever in hopes of good 2017 OLEDs with proper HDR tone mapping, good near black performance and improved motion handling*
killertofu
Member
ST50 going strong but I'm moving across the country next year and can't bring it along. What do
Have you seen the previous thread? Majority of the conversation was about OLEDs. At least the last couple of pages
Also, if rumors are to be believed. LG won't be the only one showing off their OLED tv this CES. I believe Philips also released an OLED tv. Unless some new tech gets released next year. OLEDs will keep being the talk of the town, good and bad. Like we're doing right now.
Edit: anyways, I was mostly joking
Since I currently have a Benq W1070 I was looking into real 4K HDR projectors and man ... these things are going to be insanely expensive
If you are going to wait until 2020 then I suggest you start saving now for you new TV
You and me both. My W1070 has been so good, I've decided to wait till BenQ comes out with a 4K successor before I upgrade projectors again. In fact, they have one debuting in 2017 but it might be good while before it's affordable.
After a LOT of research, I picked up a 65 inch KS8000 for my bedroom and have been very pleased. It's the closest thing I've found that can provide the same eye-popping colors and sharpness of a DLP projector. I've been playing Rise of the Tomb Raider on this TV and it looks amazing.
Nah. There will be a range of affordable LCD TVs with good HDR performance at CES that will be recommended to those who don't want to or can't spend money on OLED TVs. I can see a lot of people jumping into 4K HDR with those.
CES 2017, folks!
Amen.
OP you might want to add a link to http://displaywars.com/ to the section on screen sizing.
It gives a nice visual comparison of different sizes.
It gives a nice visual comparison of different sizes.
Indeed.
Great suggestions. Could you PM me if you have any good content / links
eighty(one)
Member
I think the 2016 OLED will serve well.
LG used a different technology with OLED, beginning with the 2016 sets. On older OLED, blue degrations from the subpixels would occur faster. Their 2015 used that type.
In 2016, they shifted to all white or white subpoxels that use colored filters, which makes color shift and degradation near impossible before 100,000 hours + they used new tools to make retention and burn in, things of the past.
My C6 is completely perfect, no Mura effect or vignetting, streaks or retention. When the screen is displaying black, I literally cannot tell tv is on - even in a pitch dark room.
You cannot compare the 2015 OLED with 2016.
They're completely different.
Yeah, we got a lot of good impression on that TV in gaf. IMO, it's the second best tv behind the lg oled this year.
enfieldvball
Member
Just picked up a Panasonic Plasma 60VT60
Until we get 4K HDR OLEDs that are actually affordable I'm sticking with Plasma even with FALD LEDs
Until we get 4K HDR OLEDs that are actually affordable I'm sticking with Plasma even with FALD LEDs
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Real talk while I don't own an OLED this is what I did last year. We got a 2015 Samsung in 2016 for mad cheap relative to the MSRP. Also allowed me to go from a 50" to a 55" and stay within my alloted budget.
What is considered affordable? The 55B6P was as low as $1500 and the 55E6P was $1800. I think you can get the 55E6P for about $2k now.
The Benq W11000 costs about 7000 Euro and does not have 3D
There will be some short throw projectors with 4K but they will probably even more expensive.I don't want to buy a 4K HDR TV because technically/legally I have to then pay 25 Euro a month for our national broadcast service even if I am never giong to watch TV ...
NYR
Member
By 2019 something new will be on the horizon to replace OLED. You are in a pointless, endless loop. Just buy.
I'm really curious to see what we get from Sony at CES. They seem to be fully off the OLED bandwagon right now and instead pushing their Master Back Lighting system that is found in the Z9's. Its pretty damn impressive and I remember the demo units they had last year were pushing 2000 nits and could get so bright you had to turn away from the screen. That and I'm hoping they realize they have a giant gaming console division and don't cheap out on the chipset and other things this time around so we can get decent 4K HDR for gaming.
LG is rumored to be introducing wallpaper thing OLED displays this year and are almost certainly going to be the talk of CES 2017. You can continue waiting until 2020- and also add three years to your age- technology- and every thing in between. Or you can be sensible and buy something middle of the road at a decent price to be replaced later on.
They're going to be introducing their 4K HDR OLED TV at CES.
Also, having to turn away from your screen because it's too bright is not a good thing lol.
Repost from the old thread:
These are the professionally calibrated settings for a C6. Let me preface them with a couple of points:
- these are my professionally calibrated settings - as every setup is individual, they might not be perfect for your setup, but should provide a very good starting point
- they were done on a C6, so they should also work very good on a E6 that shares the same processor, and give at least a starting point for a B6
- this calibration was done before the latest FW update, so it might be necessary to lower the value for OLED light in HDR mode depending on your individual setup
- when calibrating, please calibrate the three modes in the order given below:
ISF Light
Customise
OLED Light 60
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R-1 G0 B-2
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S0 T0 L-4
Green S0 T0 L1
Blue S0 T0 L0
Cyan S0 T0 L1
Magenta S0 T-2 L-2
Yellow S0 T1 L0
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
ISF Dark
Customise
OLED Light 40
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.4
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R4 G0 B0
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S-2 T0 L-2
Green S0 T0 L2
Blue S0 T0 L2
Cyan S0 T-2 L2
Magenta S0 T-2 L-1
Yellow S0 T3 L1
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
HDR
(don't forget to go to: General --> HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color; On)
Picture Mode Settings HDR Standard User
Customise
OLED Light 100
Contrast 100
Brightness 50
Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Wide
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance don't change
Color Management System don't change
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
These are the professionally calibrated settings for a C6. Let me preface them with a couple of points:
- these are my professionally calibrated settings - as every setup is individual, they might not be perfect for your setup, but should provide a very good starting point
- they were done on a C6, so they should also work very good on a E6 that shares the same processor, and give at least a starting point for a B6
- this calibration was done before the latest FW update, so it might be necessary to lower the value for OLED light in HDR mode depending on your individual setup
- when calibrating, please calibrate the three modes in the order given below:
ISF Light
Customise
OLED Light 60
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R-1 G0 B-2
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S0 T0 L-4
Green S0 T0 L1
Blue S0 T0 L0
Cyan S0 T0 L1
Magenta S0 T-2 L-2
Yellow S0 T1 L0
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
ISF Dark
Customise
OLED Light 40
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
H Sharpness 0
V Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Normal
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.4
White Balance
Color Temperature Warm2
Method 2 Points
Pattern Outer
Point High R4 G0 B0
Point Low R0 G0 B0
Color Management System
Red S-2 T0 L-2
Green S0 T0 L2
Blue S0 T0 L2
Cyan S0 T-2 L2
Magenta S0 T-2 L-1
Yellow S0 T3 L1
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
HDR
(don't forget to go to: General --> HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color; On)
Picture Mode Settings HDR Standard User
Customise
OLED Light 100
Contrast 100
Brightness 50
Sharpness 0
Color 50
Tint 0
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast Off
Super Resolution Off
Color Gamut Wide
Edge Enhancer Off
Color Filter Off
Gamma 2.2
White Balance don't change
Color Management System don't change
Picture Options
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Reduction Off
Black Level Low
(Real Cinema On)
Motion Eye Care Off
TruMotion Off
Dave_6
Member
I believe my 6020 Kuro actually has some mild burn in on the lower left from the Destiny HUD. I've got 30+ days (yes, days. No shame lol) of game time so that could explain it. Back in June I moved my PS4 back to my PC room and hooked it up to my monitor so I haven't played Destiny on my Kuro since. Whatever I see on the screen during all white and 'light' scenes doesn't really seem to be going away though. It isn't a big deal though since the TV is old (bought it in 2008) and I'm looking to purchase an OLED after CES anyways.
I thought they were actively moving away from it for now?
KaoticBlaze
Member
Why is the "warm2" option always the go to when calibrating the oleds? For some reason I cant stand watching it on that setting, it just looks like a really dim yellowish filter. Am I the only one who uses the "cool" setting? Looks much more vibrant to me.
If vibrant is what you want, go for it. A warmer color temperature is simply more accurate, however. It sounds like you are simply used to blue whites.
That's interesting. I wonder if they will keep the LED series with the Master Back Lighting as their high end sets or the OLEDs? I wonder if they're getting their OLED panels from LG?