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The Last of Us Online "was great", former PlayStation exec says, but Naughty Dog couldn't make it alongside new IP
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Kings Field
Member
The MP for the first game was amazing.
Saber
Member
Don't buy this.
Bungie probably said that their game sucks and they need more than "great" to actually have people playing it. Something like having strong appeal.
Also, it was great for who? For internal soycucks or for the gamers? Because we all know what happens when you make game for devs, Concord sure must have being great in the eyes of devs.
Bungie probably said that their game sucks and they need more than "great" to actually have people playing it. Something like having strong appeal.
Also, it was great for who? For internal soycucks or for the gamers? Because we all know what happens when you make game for devs, Concord sure must have being great in the eyes of devs.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Shame. I think the wrong game might have been axed.
BlackTron
Member
They're currently planning to stretch TLOU2 to two show seasons, and making Intergalactic.
Current indicators for 3 are kinda poor. Sounds like a PS6 game if it exists. Going through both a gen change and a genre change, "in some form" is right...
darthkarki
Member
Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think this is a victim of the tendency for everything to go bigger. Single player games used to have relatively modest multiplayer modes included to add value, but as time went on so many multiplayer games/modes got so big and impressive by themselves that everyone feels they have to "step it up" to compete. Leading to the new Factions mode growing too big to be finished in time to be included in TLOU2, so it became its own game.
But then you have a problem: do you charge for it, or is it free-to-play? Either choice becomes very hard:
- You could follow the traditional model of building a finished product and put out a paid-for game, but who buys a multiplayer game by itself, without a single player mode, and when there are free alternatives? Especially if the idea is it's a finished product that won't continue to grow and evolve, which people expect now.
- You could go free-to-play, but since you don't have the up-front cost to recoup expenses, you have to try to monetize by smaller amounts over a longer period of time, which means you have to support the game over a longer period of time - meaning it's now a live service.
Of course I still feel like, with all of the effort and work put into it already, isn't it better to whip that into something to release? Even just a free multiplayer mode addon to TLOU2? But I guess that's the sunk cost fallacy. The first 90% of a project takes 90% of the time and effort, and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time and effort - without doing some big flashy live service thing, they probably won't make back whatever it cost to push it to some kind of a finished state, so they'll lose less to just drop it. Sad.
Idleyes
Gold Member
I think they should just release what they've already built as a "5 or 6 year anniversary fan appreciation" DLC for TLOU2 and let player engagement dictate future Factions DLC. Go the paid DLC route, low risk, high potential. It makes sense to recover some of the development costs.
Perrott
Member
Well, they ended up delivering on their 10 years Destiny storyline (unlike several other studios that made the same promise over the years), so I'd say that makes them as knowledgeable about live-services as the Final Fantasy XIV team.Lmaooool Bungie
As if they know what the fuck they are doing over there
panda-zebra
Member
Shu's got no reason to make shit up just because, but sure, don the tinfoil apparel and feel free to believe in your own version of the truth.
lol. If Helldivers 2 proves anything it's that you can make a game fun for a lot of people over 20 hours, then if you have a shit live service and no real idea how to make your game worth playing over the long term,it's only those who stick it out to make their own fun together in the sandbox that keep at it and continue to enjoy it. Never fell off a game as hard in my life.
Helldivers 2 is a fun £40 one and done game while there's stuff to unlock in the ship, getting all the stratagems etc.. It's a fucking dogturd of a live service after that grinding out mediocre crap and side-grades.
viveks86
Member
Am I the only one that gets hyped for Intergalactic even more when someone posts this shot or a GIF version of it? Looks so good!Shame. I think the wrong game might have been axed.
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Yeah I'm probably alone in here
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Am I the only one that gets hyped for Intergalactic even more when someone posts this shot or a GIF version of it? Looks so good!
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Yeah I'm probably alone in here
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Uncharted 2/3/4 MP was beautiful no doubt and years later Sony let go of multiplayer shooters all together (resistance, Warhawk, mgo, Killzone, socom, uncharted etc.) what’s the deal now with games only focusing on one aspect of a game? You need a campaign and multiplayer regardless if it’s good or not let the masses decide.
Felessan
Member
The thing Bungie probably told them that they need 1000-2000 people to work full-time to properly maintain it, that means project will become the sole focus of studio for quite some time. And it was a bummer for ND who though of it as just a little bigger MP initially.
A proper GaaS requires massive dedication of resources (CoD is 3000 people, Mihoyo is about 2000 people per game, Riot is 4000 for 2 games etc). It's not a thing you can just pass to some small support studio to do.
The scale of real gaas is different though
It will probably come as the online component of part 3. And will be supported GaaS-lite. Micro transaction and all but not fully commit to free-to-play business scheme.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Helldivers 2, Astroneer, No Man's Sky, Warframe, Roblox, Fornite, COD: Warzone, GTAV: Online, Genshin Impact, The First Descendent and a bunch of others prove you demonstrably incorrect on this.
You might not like them personally, but they're the most popular games right now, and for good reason.
indigoSociety
Member
Till this day i think this wouldve been PS’s first major GAAS success if it was free to play
Negotiator
Member
Not true.
ND sold plenty of MTX in the PS3 era (TLOU1 MP also had MTX):
It's best to start a MP as a small project and let it grow organically if it becomes successful... that's what happened to UC3 MP and TLOU1 MP.
Negotiator
Member
I certainly didn't want Factions - Battle Royale edition (they were preparing a massive open-world MP game with tons of grind).
I prefer linear MP experiences. Call it "tacked on MP" (Uncharted 2-3, TLOU1), I don't care.
Small and beautiful is the best and it doesn't cost a lot of money.
The problem now is that if Intergalactic fails commercially for whatever reason (the trailer had tons of dislikes on YouTube, this has never happened with a ND game before), then I'm afraid heads will have to roll at ND HQ.
A successful MP GaaS means ND could easily fund 5-10 AAA SP games (by growing their teams organically). Most people (including gamers) are short-term thinkers, so they'll never agree with this.
I'm afraid they left money on the table, but we'll never find out.
PS's first major F2P/GaaS-lite success was this underrated gem on a "failed" console:
UNCHARTED 3 Multiplayer Goes Free-to-Play Today
After a few months of dropping hints our secret is ready to be made public. We are extremely fortunate to have some of the most devoted and amazing fans in gaming and we wanted to introduce those fans, and the world of UNCHARTED 3 multiplayer, to as many people as possible. We also wanted...
blog.playstation.com
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
I wouldn't buy it honestly.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
not enough . Sony wants COD , fortnite or rivals kind of profit.
Negotiator
Member
I also want Scarlett Johansson, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't settle with a normal girl.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
logic does not apply to corporation.
indigoSociety
Member
First commerical success i shouldve said. I enjoyed UC3 multiplayer too. TLOU1 multiplayer was awesome as well. But a refined bigger better f2p version of it wouldve killed commercially imho. Factions too is a great name not for nothing i can see that catching onI certainly didn't want Factions - Battle Royale edition (they were preparing a massive open-world MP game with tons of grind).
I prefer linear MP experiences. Call it "tacked on MP" (Uncharted 2-3, TLOU1), I don't care.
Small and beautiful is the best and it doesn't cost a lot of money.
The problem now is that if Intergalactic fails commercially for whatever reason (the trailer had tons of dislikes on YouTube, this has never happened with a ND game before), then I'm afraid heads will have to roll at ND HQ.
A successful MP GaaS means ND could easily fund 5-10 AAA SP games (by growing their teams organically). Most people (including gamers) are short-term thinkers, so they'll never agree with this.
I'm afraid they left money on the table, but we'll never find out.
PS's first major F2P/GaaS-lite success was this underrated gem on a "failed" console:
It would have been way more successful on PS4/5...UNCHARTED 3 Multiplayer Goes Free-to-Play Today
After a few months of dropping hints our secret is ready to be made public. We are extremely fortunate to have some of the most devoted and amazing fans in gaming and we wanted to introduce those fans, and the world of UNCHARTED 3 multiplayer, to as many people as possible. We also wanted...