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[Tom Warren] The next Xbox is going to be very different

Topher

Identifies as young
It looks like Microsoft is getting ready for big Xbox platform changes.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the next Xbox lately. While Microsoft publicly lines up a busy year of game releases and ports for the PS5 and Switch 2, the company has also been secretly building its future Xbox hardware and platform. There haven’t been any giant leaks about next-gen hardware yet, but Microsoft has been dropping hints over the past year that make it clear the next Xbox is going to be a lot different from the box that exists right now.

Microsoft is developing new console hardware that Xbox president Sarah Bond has said will deliver “the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation.” We’ve heard very little about next-gen hardware since that promise a year ago, and a lot has changed since internal documents from 2022 leaked and hinted that the next Xbox could arrive in 2028.

Xbox chief Phil Spencer said in a recent interview that he wants Microsoft “to innovate and make hardware the differentiator.” Spencer told me something similar a year ago, saying that Microsoft is “thinking about creating hardware that sells to gamers because of the unique aspects of the hardware. It’s kind of an unleashing of the creative capability of our hardware team that I’m really excited about.”

That unique or innovative hardware will almost certainly include a handheld somewhere in the mix. Spencer has teased the potential for an Xbox handheld a few times over the past year, but he warned in a November Bloomberg interview that such a device is a few years away and only at the prototype stage right now.

“I love when I see handhelds, when I see unique things that hardware manufacturers do, and I want our hardware to compete on power and innovation,” Spencer said in a recent interview. He didn’t expand on how Microsoft will make next-gen hardware different from its rivals, but unique and innovative hardware does suggest that hardware form factors and key platform changes will play a big part in unlocking a different kind of Xbox.

I’m convinced we’ll see some early parts of the next-gen Xbox platform this year, too. Jason Ronald, Microsoft’s VP of Next Generation, recently revealed to The Verge that Microsoft is combining “the best of Xbox and Windows together” for handhelds. I don’t think Microsoft is embarking on such a big project without these handheld-focused platform changes being the foundation for whatever Xbox hardware comes next.

How Microsoft brings the best bits of the Xbox UI to Windows-based handhelds is still a big unanswered question. Another is how this all impacts game development and your Xbox game library. Microsoft has been trying to bridge the Xbox and PC game development gap for years, using its “GameCore” developer-focused platform changes to make it easier for game creators to build titles for both Xbox and PC.

Spencer told Polygon last year that the Xbox team was looking at opening up its platform to rival stores like Itch.io and the Epic Games Store. Such a move would make it clear Microsoft is embracing a more PC-like approach for its next Xbox, which raises the question: do developers build games for Xbox or PC, or is it just the same thing in the future?

If it’s the same thing, Microsoft also needs to ensure you can play Xbox games on PC so that existing libraries don’t get left behind. Microsoft already built an Xbox 360 emulator for the Xbox One, and I think it will do the same to bring Xbox games to PC. Last month, I wrote about how Microsoft can turn Windows PCs into an Xbox and improve the Windows handheld situation at the same time.

AI will also play a big part in the next Xbox, especially for new form factors like handhelds. Nvidia, AMD, and Sony are all heavily involved in using AI-powered models to upscale games and improve performance and image quality, and we’re just weeks away from hearing how Nintendo plans to use Nvidia’s DLSS upscaling with its Switch 2 hardware. Microsoft is notably absent from this conversation, but Ronald dropped some hints at CES last month that the company could get a little more talkative soon.

”We think AI will be transformative, not only how games are made but also how games are played,” Ronald said last month. “There’s the content creation side which is really about enabling developers to build the games people want to play at a higher quality, and then there’s how the game actually runs. Delivering a new level of performance on different form factors at low power consumption.”

Ronald stopped short of saying how Microsoft will use AI-powered models to improve performance on different hardware, but it’s easy to imagine the company looking at something similar to PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) or Nvidia’s DLSS. These upscaling techniques have become increasingly important and popular on the PC side in recent years. Nvidia’s just-released RTX 5090 is $1,999 and heavily focuses on using AI models to multiply frame rates.

Microsoft already has its own Automatic Super Resolution feature that uses the NPUs on Qualcomm Copilot Plus PCs to enhance game visuals and improve frame rates. I suspect we’ll see something similar on the Xbox side, particularly because the DirectX team is driving this work at the core of Windows, and it will greatly benefit any Xbox handheld when it comes to battery life and performance.

When you add up the potential for an Xbox handheld, AI-powered technical leaps, and some big platform changes that combine Windows and Xbox, I think it’s clear that Microsoft is making the next Xbox even more PC-like. Xbox has been heading in that direction for years, and the Xbox Series X’s boxy, rectangular tower-like case even made it look like a PC in many ways. If Microsoft’s Windows handheld platform changes are actually at the heart of the next-generation Xbox platform, it could make for some very different Xbox hardware.

Microsoft has been steadily trying to move the Xbox name beyond its console-centric brand this generation. It’s becoming increasingly clear that what we’d normally consider the next Xbox won’t be just a single piece of hardware, but a collection of devices that can all play Xbox games.

That would really explain Microsoft’s “this is an Xbox” marketing campaign, which feels more like a vision of the future than the reality right now. It’s a future where PC makers can turn their laptops or handhelds into an Xbox or where phones stream all of your Xbox games. Microsoft is laying the groundwork to make this all a reality, and if it can pull it off, then the next Xbox really will be unlike anything we’ve seen before.



 

LectureMaster

Gold Member
I'd rather a PC hybrid more than a handheld, personally.
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diffusionx

Gold Member
They're not going to do a PC hybrid.

Why, because you look at the people who want a PC hybrid, it's to play and buy games on Steam lol. In other words, they want to buy a "console" that Microsoft will make no money from, and not benefit from selling at all. While I understand why that is good for people, nobody has ever explained to me why it is good for Microsoft, or how it would drive Xbox as a platform.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
It looks like Microsoft is getting ready for big Xbox platform changes.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the next Xbox lately. While Microsoft publicly lines up a busy year of game releases and ports for the PS5 and Switch 2, the company has also been secretly building its future Xbox hardware and platform. There haven’t been any giant leaks about next-gen hardware yet, but Microsoft has been dropping hints over the past year that make it clear the next Xbox is going to be a lot different from the box that exists right now.

Microsoft is developing new console hardware that Xbox president Sarah Bond has said will deliver “the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation.” We’ve heard very little about next-gen hardware since that promise a year ago, and a lot has changed since internal documents from 2022 leaked and hinted that the next Xbox could arrive in 2028.

Xbox chief Phil Spencer said in a recent interview that he wants Microsoft “to innovate and make hardware the differentiator.” Spencer told me something similar a year ago, saying that Microsoft is “thinking about creating hardware that sells to gamers because of the unique aspects of the hardware. It’s kind of an unleashing of the creative capability of our hardware team that I’m really excited about.”

That unique or innovative hardware will almost certainly include a handheld somewhere in the mix. Spencer has teased the potential for an Xbox handheld a few times over the past year, but he warned in a November Bloomberg interview that such a device is a few years away and only at the prototype stage right now.

“I love when I see handhelds, when I see unique things that hardware manufacturers do, and I want our hardware to compete on power and innovation,” Spencer said in a recent interview. He didn’t expand on how Microsoft will make next-gen hardware different from its rivals, but unique and innovative hardware does suggest that hardware form factors and key platform changes will play a big part in unlocking a different kind of Xbox.

I’m convinced we’ll see some early parts of the next-gen Xbox platform this year, too. Jason Ronald, Microsoft’s VP of Next Generation, recently revealed to The Verge that Microsoft is combining “the best of Xbox and Windows together” for handhelds. I don’t think Microsoft is embarking on such a big project without these handheld-focused platform changes being the foundation for whatever Xbox hardware comes next.

How Microsoft brings the best bits of the Xbox UI to Windows-based handhelds is still a big unanswered question. Another is how this all impacts game development and your Xbox game library. Microsoft has been trying to bridge the Xbox and PC game development gap for years, using its “GameCore” developer-focused platform changes to make it easier for game creators to build titles for both Xbox and PC.

Spencer told Polygon last year that the Xbox team was looking at opening up its platform to rival stores like Itch.io and the Epic Games Store. Such a move would make it clear Microsoft is embracing a more PC-like approach for its next Xbox, which raises the question: do developers build games for Xbox or PC, or is it just the same thing in the future?

If it’s the same thing, Microsoft also needs to ensure you can play Xbox games on PC so that existing libraries don’t get left behind. Microsoft already built an Xbox 360 emulator for the Xbox One, and I think it will do the same to bring Xbox games to PC. Last month, I wrote about how Microsoft can turn Windows PCs into an Xbox and improve the Windows handheld situation at the same time.

AI will also play a big part in the next Xbox, especially for new form factors like handhelds. Nvidia, AMD, and Sony are all heavily involved in using AI-powered models to upscale games and improve performance and image quality, and we’re just weeks away from hearing how Nintendo plans to use Nvidia’s DLSS upscaling with its Switch 2 hardware. Microsoft is notably absent from this conversation, but Ronald dropped some hints at CES last month that the company could get a little more talkative soon.

”We think AI will be transformative, not only how games are made but also how games are played,” Ronald said last month. “There’s the content creation side which is really about enabling developers to build the games people want to play at a higher quality, and then there’s how the game actually runs. Delivering a new level of performance on different form factors at low power consumption.”

Ronald stopped short of saying how Microsoft will use AI-powered models to improve performance on different hardware, but it’s easy to imagine the company looking at something similar to PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) or Nvidia’s DLSS. These upscaling techniques have become increasingly important and popular on the PC side in recent years. Nvidia’s just-released RTX 5090 is $1,999 and heavily focuses on using AI models to multiply frame rates.

Microsoft already has its own Automatic Super Resolution feature that uses the NPUs on Qualcomm Copilot Plus PCs to enhance game visuals and improve frame rates. I suspect we’ll see something similar on the Xbox side, particularly because the DirectX team is driving this work at the core of Windows, and it will greatly benefit any Xbox handheld when it comes to battery life and performance.

When you add up the potential for an Xbox handheld, AI-powered technical leaps, and some big platform changes that combine Windows and Xbox, I think it’s clear that Microsoft is making the next Xbox even more PC-like. Xbox has been heading in that direction for years, and the Xbox Series X’s boxy, rectangular tower-like case even made it look like a PC in many ways. If Microsoft’s Windows handheld platform changes are actually at the heart of the next-generation Xbox platform, it could make for some very different Xbox hardware.

Microsoft has been steadily trying to move the Xbox name beyond its console-centric brand this generation. It’s becoming increasingly clear that what we’d normally consider the next Xbox won’t be just a single piece of hardware, but a collection of devices that can all play Xbox games.

That would really explain Microsoft’s “this is an Xbox” marketing campaign, which feels more like a vision of the future than the reality right now. It’s a future where PC makers can turn their laptops or handhelds into an Xbox or where phones stream all of your Xbox games. Microsoft is laying the groundwork to make this all a reality, and if it can pull it off, then the next Xbox really will be unlike anything we’ve seen before.




You’re a real one for posting the whole thing. I ain’t paying for TheVerge subscription and they’re putting everything behind a paywall.
 

Magic Carpet

Gold Member
Biggest leap would require Nvidia Hardware, or something not yet seen or known about. Maybe Intel has something secret planned?
China? South Korea? Bueller?
 

Det

Member
Another master plan for the supreme victory of the company with delusions of grandeur.
Good thing for MS that they have the monopoly with Office and Windows built with dumping already consolidated
 
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Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I’ve got a friend working on their next hardware, but he has yet to spill the beans. (Not that I’d post frieNDA’d stuff anyway.)

But I hope whatever they’re doing is cool. We could use a shakeup in the industry.
 
Again with that MS propaganda done by the usual shills. A "technical leap" doesn't mean a powerful device, quite the contrary. Switch was a huge technological leap compared to 3DS.

They are going to release their own Xbox deck using the lastest silicon from AMD using fancy words (because they couldn't use the Teraflops language anymore) and call it a "technological leap" versus 12TF RDNA2, Zen 2.
 
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OctopusBox

Neo Member
People need to get off the PC hybrid crap and expecting microsoft to allow steam to run on their systems. It'd be suicide to allow crap like that because you'd make 0 profit and lose billions of dollars, and no one is going to buy expensive hardware to make up for it when they can't even sell the series s at 250 or below right now.
I don’t understand how this concept makes sense to anybody, MS would be gifting Steam an audience and cutting their own audience that would no longer be captive to their Xbox digital store.

If they’re just counting on software sales to justify their existence, why they are wasting money on r&d for future hardware is what I can’t figure out. I can’t even figure out what purpose their handheld will serve other than selling to a small niche of Xbox owners that want a portable. Even then though, there are better options unless you just have to have your Xbox library (to whatever extent that it’s compatible) on a handheld. I think they just have no fucking clue what they’re doing and don’t want to fully commit to going third party and dropping hardware, at least publically.
 

onQ123

Member
Phil & Sarah pretty much yelled out "Hey Look We Have A New Powerful Xbox Coming!" months ago

Why are people acting like they just now heard them?

They will have to leak some concrete information to actually keep people talking
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why not just a PC then?

The hope/dream is that an Xbox sanctioned thing would include the full BC support that the consoles would have too. I got like a hundred or so BC owned games I'd like to keep going forward too.
 
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Killjoy-NL

Member
These guys...
That could mean anything.

With them going 3rd party, console sales will be pretty much dead.

And they were talking about a "technical leap", which most logically speaking and based on all the various rumors, would most likely mean some sort of Switch-like digital-only Ouya device.

The fact that they spoke a lot about "devices" and "hardware" and not "console" doesn't show much confidence in continuing with traditional console-hardware.
 

Kagoshima_Luke

Gold Member
Unfortunately, at this point whenever I see a Spencer quote, I throw it in the garbage. I learned a long time ago that he just speaks in circles and what info he actually does provide is frequently wrong/a lie.
 
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I don’t understand how this concept makes sense to anybody, MS would be gifting Steam an audience and cutting their own audience that would no longer be captive to their Xbox digital store.

If they’re just counting on software sales to justify their existence, why they are wasting money on r&d for future hardware is what I can’t figure out. I can’t even figure out what purpose their handheld will serve other than selling to a small niche of Xbox owners that want a portable. Even then though, there are better options unless you just have to have your Xbox library (to whatever extent that it’s compatible) on a handheld. I think they just have no fucking clue what they’re doing and don’t want to fully commit to going third party and dropping hardware, at least publically.

I don't understand what their plan is either and i think they sunk themselves with gamepass and don't know what to do now that it's been a failure beyond recognition. Gamepass has absolutely destroyed the xbox division and it's forced them to into uncharted territory that they have 0 hope in succeeding in and they know that so they’re panicking.
 
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onQ123

Member
I doubt anything Microsoft comes up with is going to come close to that "greatest technological leap" claim.

I wouldn't say that because last generation didn't improve much on the memory so a move to Processing in Memory or Processing Close to Memory it would be a big leap.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
I wouldn't say that because last generation didn't improve much on the memory so a move to Processing in Memory or Processing Close to Memory it would be a big leap.

I doubt that is what MS is referring to. It is going to be something they can actually market.
 

Quasicat

Member
I'd rather a PC hybrid more than a handheld, personally.
I know I’m part of the problem, but I would buy both…it would be how I do Steam right now where I hop between my desktop and my Steam Deck, but I have far more games on Xbox than Steam.
Edit: mainly because I feel the steam deck isn’t as strong as I want it to be as a hybrid..
 
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itch.io and epic games but no mention of steam? The largest place for pc gamers? Why? No one likes epic. Itch.io is for very indy indy games, like java games and such that a hobby guy like myself would push out if i was still coding games.

I don't see this going anywhere good. For one PC gamers expect options, customization and tinkering. All things Microsoft shuts down.
Gaben Provideth, Mr. Spencer taketh away. - Book of SteamWin 1:01.
 

Mortisfacio

Member
The largest technical leap comes at a cost. You alienate a large portion of customers if you put high end PC style hardware into a console because they can't afford it. So you could then offer two solutions, but we all saw how poorly that turned out with the X|S and hindering releases because Microsoft needs stability on both variants.
 

Cyborg

Member
They said MS would deliver the biggest leap ever in technology. How will they achieve that with an handheld?
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
No idea really. I just think whatever it is will have a hard time living up to expectations.
Well, if I were Nadella, I'd just release all games on PS5, squeeze a bit more revenue out of em and shut down the entire Xbox division and Xbox Game studios, minus ABK and Bethesda for WoW, COD, OW, TES and Candy Crush.

And then shut that down when it goes down the drain as well.
 
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