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[Lunatic_Gamer]

"in terms of PSSR, we analysed PSSR and TAA at the time of shipping AC Shadows and found better results with our TAA solution. However, PSSR is a new upscaler and after an in-depth collaboration with Sony over the past few months, many issues have been addressed, mostly around moving vegetation and water - problems that other titles have faced. We're now confident that the image quality with PSSR will always be better than with TAA"

"RT reflections were developed after the initial delay to AC Shadows. Given the shift in our release window, we wanted to make sure we remained competitive on high-end PCs and PS5 Pro. We had an extremely motivated team that had learned a lot developing the RTGI solution, and felt confident in achieving the objective of shipping RT reflections with a 30fps performance target on Pro. For launch, our priority was quality mode specifically to ensure it didn't prompt graphical artefacts or other issues. We've continued to optimise RT reflections and the game in general, and we're happy to say that a future update will enable RT reflections on PS5 Pro's balanced mode".

 

[mckmas8808]

If this is true..... I'll buy this game just to support great dev work.

 

[Radical_3d]

This is the best tech demo I’m never going to play in my Pro.

 

[Gonzito]

DLSS annihilates both TAA and PISSER

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No, I was told PSSR won't get any better and that what you see is what you get. Someone please inform the devs. @ Bojji?

 

[Bojji]

No, I was told PSSR won't get any better and that what you see is what you get. Someone please inform the devs. @ Bojji?

Please tell me where I said that. I was saying that PSSR will be better in the future from day 1 (or even before Pro launch). After Avatar and SH2 I was saying that it NEEDS to get better and soon. It took them few months...

You love making shit up.

This only confirms that PSSR wasn't ready for launch in November.

 

[farmerboy]

DLSS annihilates both TAA and PISSER

Moving image 8ft away on my couch and the differences are moot. I don't play games constantly pausing and I don't have the eyes of a hawk.

 

[Radical_3d]

Please tell me where I said that. I was saying that PSSR will be better in the future from day 1 (or even before Pro launch).

You love making shit up.

This only confirms that PSSR wasn't ready for launch in November.

Guys, don’t provoke Boji. Poles are on their nerves for the last few years for whatever reason.

 

[UnrealEck]

Moving image 8ft away on my couch and the differences are moot. I don't play games constantly pausing and I don't have the eyes of a hawk.

Same here. I have very poor distance vision so I just play at 360p and take my glasses off.

 

[Topher]

"PSSR will always be better than with TAA"

That was obvious the moment I started the game on Pro.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

DLSS annihilates both TAA and PISSER

No it isn’t in well implemented games

 

[Topher]

No it isn’t in well implemented games

DLSS is the best upscaler there is. There isn't any doubt about that. I think "annhilates" is too strong, but better.....definitely.

 

[LectureMaster]

 

[darrylgorn]

Well shit, I would fucking hope so lol

 

[Zuzu]

It sounds good. I’m looking forward to seeing the updated version of Shadows and I assume the updated version of PSSR that will go along with it.

 

[mansoor1980]

DLSS annihilates both TAA and PISSER

 

[Topher]

It sounds good. I’m looking forward to seeing the updated version of Shadows and I assume the updated version of PSSR that will go along with it.

I'm just hoping they get it done before I finish the game.

 

[Bojji]

DLSS is the best upscaler there is. There isn't any doubt about that. I think "annhilates" is too strong, but better.....definitely.

Hierarchy of ML upscalers looks like this now:

DLSS4>FSR4>DLSS3>XeSS>PSSR

 

[Three]

Well there you go:

Likely because there is an unannounced new PSSR version coming and it was delayed to use that? Could be any number of reasons.

 

[BlownUpRich]

F Feel Like I'm On 42

 

[Radical_3d]

DLSS is the best upscaler there is. There isn't any doubt about that. I think "annhilates" is too strong, but better.....definitely.

3 isn’t. How’s 4 working on less powerful hardware. I’m curious if this whole “yeah, sure, use 4 on your old 2060…” is in fact an upselling strategy from nVidia to tank your performance.

 

[Topher]

Hierarchy of ML upscalers looks like this now:

DLSS4>FSR4>DLSS3>XeSS>PSSR

Depends on the game, but for consoles PSSR is the only ML upscaler there is so it stands alone.

 

[Bojji]

3 isn’t. How’s 4 working on less powerful hardware. I’m curious if this whole “yeah, sure, use 4 on your old 2060…” is in fact an upselling strategy from nVidia to tank your performance.

DLSS4 Performance looks better than DLSS3 Quality, so you get better performance in the end.

 

[Horseganador]

It is clear that PS5 Pro will improve over time, just as FSR and DLSS have improved, increasing the gap with the base consoles.

 

[Topher]

3 isn’t. How’s 4 working on less powerful hardware. I’m curious if this whole “yeah, sure, use 4 on your old 2060…” is in fact an upselling strategy from nVidia to tank your performance.

DLSS3 is slightly better than PSSR in games I've played. That could change though.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Please tell me where I said that. I was saying that PSSR will be better in the future from day 1 (or even before Pro launch). After Avatar and SH2 I was saying that it NEEDS to get better and soon. It took them few months...

You love making shit up.

This only confirms that PSSR wasn't ready for launch in November.

But there's plenty of games in November that had noticeable improvements with it. So that's incorrect.

 

[Radical_3d]

DLSS4 Performance looks better than DLSS3 Quality, so you get better performance in the end.

That’s very reassuring. If we don’t need thousands of euros of silicon in ML cores to move better models, maybe we can go back to make raster great again. MR.GA!

 

[Bojji]

Depends on the game, but for consoles PSSR is the only ML upscaler there is so it stands alone.

On consoles, yeah. But so far in specific games TSR and even TAAU (like in this case) can create better results with less issues than PSSR.

Updated version should be better in every scenario.

But there's plenty of games in November that had noticeable improvements with it. So that's incorrect.

In games without RT or with basic RT (like reflections in Ratchet) results were ok.

 

[Radical_3d]

DLSS3 is slightly better than PSSR in games I've played. That could change though.

Standing still 3 has some advantages. But I play my games moving, not like a DF analysis.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Guys, don’t provoke Boji. Poles are on their nerves for the last few years for whatever reason.

I didn't even have to tag him for real. I knew he'd be lurking in this thread seething...

 

[yamaci17]

That’s very reassuring. If we don’t need thousands of euros of silicon in ML cores to move better models, maybe we can go back to make raster great again. MR.GA!

on my 3070 I get higher framerates and MUCH better image quality at 1440p dlss 4 balanced relative to 1440p dlss 3 quality

1440p dlss 3 quality looks like 1200p or something, better than 1080p but nowhere near native 1440p
1440p dlss 4 balanced somehow looks like 1500p, better than native 1440p

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Exactly why are people bringing up DLSS in a thread about a PS5 Pro specific game?

 

[Bojji]

I didn't even have to tag him for real. I knew he'd be lurking in this thread seething...

I knew you would be making shit up again. This is another Pro+ACS thread BTW.

 

[Radical_3d]

Exactly why are people bringing up DLSS in a thread about a PS5 Pro specific game?

Oh, boy… these new recruits on GAF…

 

[squidilix]

Hierarchy of ML upscalers looks like this now:

DLSS4>FSR4>DLSS3>XeSS>PSSR

somehow

 

[kazuyamishima]

Guys, don’t provoke Boji. Poles are on their nerves for the last few years for whatever reason.

Leave the PS5 Pro Lead Engineer out of this.

 

[Bojji]

somehow

JS has sharpening with PSSR while DLSS doesn't have anything applied (even FSR2 has sharpening)

I already proven TLOU1 just needs update and preset change for DLSS3 to not have issues like that:

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Preset E:

Leave the PS5 Pro Lead Engineer out of this.

For sure I know more about this stuff than most clowns that are attacking me.

 

[XXL]

I didn't even have to tag him for real. I knew he'd be lurking in this thread seething...

 

[Topher]

On consoles, yeah. But so far in specific games TSR and even TAAU (like in this case) can create better results with less issues than PSSR.

Updated version should be better in every scenario.

Yeah...."on consoles". That's what we are talking about here. The dev "in this case" is saying PSSR will be better than TAA.

Standing still 3 has some advantages. But I play my games moving, not like a DF analysis.

This is about "image quality" though.

 

[Radical_3d]

I get Boji. He loves PS as much as I do. That’s why are both critical with it. Some people are just more critical than others, tho.

This is about "image quality" though.

Image quality while moving is better in the Pro, IMO.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

DLSS is the best upscaler there is. There isn't any doubt about that. I think "annhilates" is too strong, but better.....definitely.

I’m not claiming otherwise but the original comment is pure hyperbole

 

[Topher]

Exactly why are people bringing up DLSS in a thread about a PS5 Pro specific game?

It's Gonzito 's fault

 

[Gaiff]

The Pro has been out for over 4 months. Why isn't PSSR, one of the most important features, present at launch in a AAA game? Why do we have to wait to get better IQ?

DF gave way too much praise to the Pro upgrade of Shadows. No PSSR automatically disqualifies it from contention.

 

[yamaci17]

It's Gonzito 's fault

dlss 3, yeah it is hyperbole
dlss 4, not so much

doesn't matter much, with how good fsr 4 is. ps5 pro will eventually have dlss 4 like upscaling

 

[XXL]

The Pro has been out for over 4 months. Why isn't PSSR, one of the most important features, present at launch in a AAA game? Why do we have to wait to get better IQ?

DF gave way too much praise to the Pro upgrade of Shadows. No PSSR automatically disqualifies it from contention.

I agree. But I personally don't mind.

I don't buy Ubisoft games until they are $20, so in a month or 2. Lol.

They will have it implement in by then.

 

[Radical_3d]

I agree. But I personally don't mind.

I don't buy Ubisoft games until they are $20, so in a month or 2. Lol.

They will have it implement in by then.

Didn’t know they are less of a bloated shit show after two months. I might then try Outlaws, I’m a sucker for blasters sounds.

Spoiler

And Sound Blasters!

 

[XXL]

Didn’t know they are less of a bloated shit show after two months.

For $20 I'll just get my enjoyment of them and don't feel the need to do everything.

 

[Topher]

dlss 3, yeah it is hyperbole
dlss 4, not so much

Stands to reason given ML upscaling on consoles is brand new. Even coming close to DLSS3, at this point, is impressive and it was desperately needed, imo.

The Pro has been out for over 4 months. Why isn't PSSR, one of the most important features, present at launch in a AAA game? Why do we have to wait to get better IQ?

DF gave way too much praise to the Pro upgrade of Shadows. No PSSR automatically disqualifies it from contention.

Still scratching my head over the DF's gushing on AC:S on Pro. If anything, this game is putting an exclamation point behind the need for PSSR, but how is it DF wasn't the one saying that?

 

[XXL]

Still scratching my head over the DF's gushing on AC:S on Pro. If anything, this game is putting an exclamation point behind the need for PSSR, but how is it DF wasn't the one saying that?

 

[CrustyBritches]

I hope devs start using FSR 4 so we can see more implementation across console and PC. Kind of begs the question, why even bother with PSSR unless it’s like a lighter version of FSR 4?