Topher
Identifies as young
Steam has to be for sale first and it isn't. But you are right that regulators would more than likely shoot it down anyway.
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Steam has to be for sale first and it isn't. But you are right that regulators would more than likely shoot it down anyway.
Kacho
Gold Member
Yeah, I'm very excited for the future. Our massive gaming libraries will be accessible on so many devices. More competition means rapid innovation and improvement across the board. I'll be grabbing a Steam Box and whatever Microsoft does. Whoever gives me the most hassle free experience will be my platform of choice.
The next 5-10 years are going to be awesome. We're in the early stages of big changes.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I can see Valve creating a dock that allows you to use your own GPU. Company called Beelink does this with their mini PCs
But wouldn't that mean a person would then need to buy a seperate GPU for $500-$2,000, PLUS by this $100 attachment?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But why are you so convinced that Sony and Nintendo will buy into this future that you speak of? What if Sony reverses course and waits 3 years to put games on PC?
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Kacho
Gold Member
Who's talking about Sony and Nintendo buying into this future? This is about the PC space.
Sony games aren't moving the needle on PC so whether they port their games 3-10 years from now means very little in the grand scheme of things.
Why do you feel so threatened by a changing market?
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah....but ideally it would be optional for those who want to upgrade beyond the base console's capabilities. The nice thing about this is that with most eGPUs there is a performance hit due to lack of bandwidth. This reduces that to a minimal level.
Not saying this is what they are going to do, obviously, but just as a concept it has been done before.
Topher
Identifies as young
We don't even know what this "thing" is. Either way, I really see no reason why it would be over $1000. Valve is able to make custom hardware just like Sony and Nintendo. That's exactly what Steam Deck is.
Last Hearth
Member
Valve is a privately held company, regulator approval is not necessary, only the acquisition of publicly traded companies require their approval.
Minsc
Gold Member
I wonder what the hope is - are people expecting a PS5 Pro level SteamOS home console at $500 or so? And it will work along with Deckard to compete against PSVR2 I guess?
I could be interested in a SteamOS console, but there's a ton of overlap there with a Steam Deck 2 I think.
I could be interested in a SteamOS console, but there's a ton of overlap there with a Steam Deck 2 I think.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Release it worldwide you cowards!
Topher
Identifies as young
Don't think so. Regulators reviewed/approved Microsoft's acquisition of Bethesda, which was privately owned. This was revealed during the ABK investigation.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yeah because Valve sure is delivering so many great exclusive banger titles these days. What an an awesome thing to do for gaming, what we need is more hardware
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Esparadrapo
Member
Nope. You got it backwards. Public traded companies need permission from regulators if whatever they are doing threatens the public interest. Regulators force public traded companies to split. Regulators force public traded companies to release patents. Lower the price of drugs. Etc, etc.
That's the theory. Capitalism ensures that regulators only take action when whatever is going on is so egregious people start burning the streets.
Kacho
Gold Member
I’m happy you’re finally hereYeah because Valve sure is delivering so many great exclusive banger titles these days. What an an awesome thing to do for gaming, what we need is more hardware
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Companies can pivot and it just seems that hardware is a more interesting direction for valve than software- their hardware is some of the best in the industry.
Sorry you couldn't get half life 55 electric Boogaloo and portal 2 remake. Good shit needs to end sometime.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It’s just hardware, it’s a solved problem. The market is not lacking for plastic boxes
noob smokes
Member
Its not gonna last long
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
True but something like steamos3 would shake up the console market a lot
Interfectum
Member
It's an engagement device. The market is not lacking for portable gaming devices either.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It’s fine, but I’m not going to blast “greedy boring sony” and crown a steam machine as the most exciting thing in gaming like the OP I was responding to though.
Syphon Filter
Member
how come they want to move away from MS? I know around 10 yrs ago it was since they were concerned about windows becoming a walled garden but it didnt seem like it ended up being a walled garden,
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
All from a company with less than 500 employees who has never paid for an exclusive or done a marketing deal
tmlDan
Member
people on this forum think the steam deck is a massive success, its just a fact that steam hardware just doesnt sell that much, they already tried this why would it work now?
Topher
Identifies as young
Steam Deck seems to be doing fine, but I never said it was a "massive success" so not sure what "people" you are referring to. As far as what Valve has already tried, a lot has changed that you seem to be unaware of. Steam machines previously ran Linux without Proton so every game had to be ported. With Proton, the library of available games is huge. I'd say that is a pretty significant change, wouldn't you?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I don’t care how many units Steam Deck sold. It’s an amazing device that I probably use more than my 4090 desktop at this point. Why would I care if it sold 1M or 100M if it’s doing exactly what I want it to do and is constantly getting updated? Would Concord have been good if it sold 20M copies? Console fanboys have this weird obsession with sales numbers. It’s not like the situation with Vita flopping where software just dried up.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Yeah, Proton changes things quite a bit IMO.
The original Steam machines were a cool idea but the execution just wasn't there. It's sort of like the Steam controller. I think if anybody can get this going it's Valve.
Kacho
Gold Member
Wait until you hear about how successful the PS Portal is*
*relative to Sony's expectations
Sorcerer
Member
Valve made some bad assumptions the first time around. They thought that suddenly that developers were just going to suddenly make Linux versions of games because they put out a "Consolized pc". Of course that was never going to happen, asking dev's to develop for yet one more platform with a tiny install base.
Also Valve put all the risk on the hardware vendors. Valve lost nothing if the machines failed to sell. 15 various Steam Machines were scheduled to launch, in the end only Alienware and Zotac ever bothered to make machines. The other 13 vendors backed out.
To put the cherry on top, Valve put out the Steam Link, pretty much telling everybody you don't even need a Steam Machine, just use this little $50 box to transmit games from your main rig to any screen in your house. They undercut the message of seperate hardware with that device.
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Bry0
Member
The Reddit speculation thread on this noted that geekbench returns an 8540u when you search “AMD Lilac”, and the gpu results actually show it paired with an 7600m xt. While I highly doubt that is representative of the final product, and may not even be related to this device at all, that does seem like specs pretty adjacent to a lot of mini PCs. I think the atomman g7 is a 7940hx and 7600m xt for $999? Cutting back to a much cheaper processor could shave the bom a lot. I really don’t think valve would do a big expensive custom apu if they had alternatives from AMD that can already be acquired cheaply. These parts are also basically last gen at this point, and Navi 33 seems overproduced.
All complete speculation based of a questionable bench result, but interesting to think about. lol.
All complete speculation based of a questionable bench result, but interesting to think about. lol.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
If the device is good the device is good, sales be damned. Not gonna lose sleep over the Deck selling 5m Ltd as I have one in my hands and it's good.
Valve has proven their commitment to the deck regardless of the sales too, so this will likely continue for the near future
How? You're running against a gigantic userbase, it makes zero sense. For me, I still view pc as it's old-school days, it's still perfect without sticking Phil Spencer's face on Personal Computers.
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Bry0
Member
Exactly, and to add to that the deck IS a success. Anyone thinking a handheld pc would do numbers like an established 30 year old brand like PlayStation is moving the goalposts. Gabe said at launch he hoped it would sell millions, and here were are with millions sold and handhelds gaming PCs being a big product category now. Even the big guys are planning them now. How is that not success?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm not personally threatened by a changing market if it makes sense to the companies themselves and the customers giving them money. So if you aren't including Playstation and Nintendo into your thoughts on the changing market, then we agree.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because things that sale more, tend to get more support from the companies that make them.
Most are probably responding to individuals that think a Steam Machine "console" will shake up the console industry. I find it very hard to believe that will happen. What it will do is screw up MS' Xbox next hybrid console though. This is a nightmare for Phil Spencer, if Gabe and Valve are really doing this.
Crayon
Member
A lighter faster less intrusive windows?
Wouldn't everyone want to use that for everything? You got to ask why windows isn't like that already.
Mister Wolf
Member
I expect Microsoft to allow for the running of Steam OS in their box. Probably an option to select what OS you want to boot up when powering on.
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Crayon
Member
Oh. Then everything is a steam box, too.
Topher
Identifies as young
They will allow folks to do that themselves, but no way do I see MS giving them that option at the point of sale.
tmlDan
Member
no, its not significant, it'll be a blip on the radar of 95% of gamers. Most people are already in their ecosystems and PC gamers dont need to grab a console-like platform.
It'll be ultra niche like the old attempt (but will do slightly better) and a couple of million will buy it
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Topher
Identifies as young
It isn't significant? Steam Deck wouldn't exist at all without Proton. PS5 Pro is a blip on the radar for 95% of gamers as well. Difference is that it is sold for profit and so Sony doesn't expect massive sales numbers. How is this any different?
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Mister Wolf
Member
Why wouldn't they. Why put all the effort being able to navigate Steam with a controller through some custom version of windows when all of that has already been sorted by Valve themselves and would require a simple screen asking what to boot when turnt on.
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namenotfound
Member
If they ever really went for being an OS platform with a wider net API for developers to develop apps, I'd use a Steam Box, even an appliance-ized one that had a locked bootloader that only ran a valid digitally signed operating system, if it meant they could get the highest level of Widevine and whatever and then get streaming app makers to make web or native apps and I'd rank that above Roku. Android has the most stuff but I'd rather a full Linux by the TV than a Roku or Android box. Regardless though, I don't think Valve can price this incredibly competitive like the Steam Deck if they're including a discrete GPU in it. People will just buy it to do other things besides gaming
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
But it is getting support and Proton is constantly getting updates. Dev support as well since they have to manually get their games steam deck verified. So again I ask, why would I care?
It’s not a console where they have to rely on 3rd parties making ports or support it with their own first party. Vita and Wii U flopping was different because they needed all that and it wasn’t worth it to keep supporting it. PSVR2 is about to suffer the same fate.
Topher
Identifies as young
You really think Microsoft are going to actively promote Steam over their own store and Game Pass instead of just developing a controller driven UI?
Mister Wolf
Member
Yes. The fact you're even allowing Steam on it in the first place means you no longer view them as an adversary.
Topher
Identifies as young
Windows is an open system. It isn't a matter of allowing Steam on. Google is also on Windows. Doesn't mean Microsoft and Google do not compete. When folks go to install Chrome, Microsoft throws up all kinds of messages trying to dissuade them from doing so. Obviously Microsoft is not going to want to hand over a sizable chunk of their revenue to Steam if they can help it. Steam is necessary for MS survival in PC gaming. Just like PlayStation has become necessary. That doesn't mean MS is going to fully embrace those platforms over their own.
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Crayon
Member
Xbox grand and handheld with I told you to ass out of the box is like 20 bridges too far. They just be building steam boxes for valve for free.
Interfectum
Member
So many skeptics… yet here we are, lol.
The Steam Deck has done well enough for Valve to push forward with a new controller, an updated Steam Deck, a new console, and even a new VR headset. And let’s be real—the Steam Deck will likely outsell the PS5 Pro, PSVR2, and PS Portal combined. If the Deck is an “ultra-niche, pointless device,” what does that say about Sony’s last three products?
The bottom line is that these are engagement devices, not meant to be compared 1-to-1 with the cornerstone platforms of major ecosystems like the PS5 or Switch. They serve a different purpose, and that’s worth understanding.
The Steam Deck has done well enough for Valve to push forward with a new controller, an updated Steam Deck, a new console, and even a new VR headset. And let’s be real—the Steam Deck will likely outsell the PS5 Pro, PSVR2, and PS Portal combined. If the Deck is an “ultra-niche, pointless device,” what does that say about Sony’s last three products?
The bottom line is that these are engagement devices, not meant to be compared 1-to-1 with the cornerstone platforms of major ecosystems like the PS5 or Switch. They serve a different purpose, and that’s worth understanding.
March Climber
Member
Apple entering the high budget gaming space with a dedicated device is the Half-Life 3 equivalent of tech news.