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If you can put a bunch of emulators and old games on it and it has Playstation/Xbox pricing, might be cool. If its just the steam catalog then I sleep ZZZzzzz.

 

[Schmendrick]

no it doesn’t it just boots into bpm. You still have to deal with the pitfalls of windows running in the background. There is no workarounds for windows that delivers a console like experience. You still occasionally have to do stuff in the background. Shit sometimes isn’t optimized or even works. If you buy a console game for said console your going to have some semblance of functionality and refinement for the consoles use far far more often than PC.

bullshit from people who only go by heresay.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

bullshit from people who only go by heresay.

Not at all. Your just use to dealing with the bullshit that comes with it. Check my post history, I have done it multiple times. It never works out as seamless as a console.

 

[Schmendrick]

Not at all. Your just use to dealing with the bullshit that comes with it. Check my post history, I have done it multiple times. It never works out as seamless as a console.

Right...is that "bullshit" you speak of in the room with us? Because aside from maybe a driver update every few months I could launch Steam BPM and never leave it if my PC was 100% gaming focused.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Right...is that "bullshit" you speak of in the room with us? Because aside from maybe a driver update every few months I could launch Steam BPM and never leave it if my PC was 100% gaming focused.

Yes. That’s why valve is making this. If it wasn’t an issue and everyone was happy with windows integration then why would they do this? Driver update every few months is the only time you touch a kbm, no. Unless that’s how often you use it.

 

[Durin]

As was posted in another thread, steam and console digital pricing is usually the same or similar these days. There is no advantage here. The prices are set by publishers

If you want to go with the lowest cost possible, a disc drive console beats them by a mile

There is though, 3rd party key sites selling Steam keys take lower margins, so they're objectively cheaper on a regular basis than Steam or consoles. You also have more PC storefronts, which do run sales at different times giving more opportunity than one console digital storefront as physical games like physical movies are being phased out by more retailers.

Game Pass is also a benefit in terms of cost, it's unavailable on 2 of the 3 consoles, and the PC tier is cheaper than the standard Xbox tier per month.

Then combo in some features paywalled on PS+, Xbox Live and Nintendo Online are free on PC, and emulation being offered.

Lower up front hardware price, and used retail games for as long as we'll get them are all consoles have left for cost benefit.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

There is though, 3rd party key sites selling Steam keys take lower margins, so they're objectively cheaper on a regular basis than Steam or consoles. You also have more PC storefronts, which do run sales at different times giving more opportunity than one console digital storefront as physical games like physical movies are being phased out by more retailers.

Game Pass is also a benefit in terms of cost, it's unavailable on 2 of the 3 consoles, and the PC tier is cheaper than the standard Xbox tier per month.

Then combo in some features paywalled on PS+, Xbox Live and Nintendo Online are free on PC, and emulation being offered.

Lower up front hardware price, and used retail games for as long as we'll get them are all consoles have left for cost benefit.

GamePass just got a huge price hike and it's not the obvious slam dunk deal when you don't own the games.

Whatever "cost advantage" PC has is negligible at best for a digital only owner. People aren't going to make decisions to go to PC because they feel it's cheaper, especially when the hardware costs are significantly more.

 

[Chiggs]

I don’t see the point of Valve doing a Steam Machine again. PC gamers like to upgrade their PCs over time, and a console would likely be a dead end box.

Stay focused on Steam Deck, VR, and Steam OS.

And yet, the Steam hardware survey shows that the majority of PC gamers are using old-ass tech.

I'm willing to bet there's a good portion of gamers out there--some pc, some console--that would love the open nature of a Steambox, control over storage upgradeability, and with different SKUs to choose from...but with the simplicity of a console. Valve sees Sony with a $700 PS5 Pro and thinks, "Yes, we can do that...and we can probably do it better."

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think a Valve box would get a lot of disenfranchised Xbox consumers who refuse to buy PlayStation.

I think a big problem, though, is a Valve box is really going to struggle to show value against a PS5 Pro. It's never going to hit volume that a PS5 Pro hits and Valve is going to struggle with exclusives even more than Microsoft. So imagine it being significantly more expensive than the PS5 Pro but not significantly more powerful.

You'd also HAVE to go Nvidia for DLSS, which means you're going to pay a pretty penny for GPU.

I think it could have success for people who want their steam library in their living rooms but don't want a console, but that's not going to be a massive market. Really as I said the best target audience is Xbox consumers and the idea that you could maybe get all games from all publishers outside of Nintendo on it.

I also think this will push Sony to move faster with their PC storefront, so maybe a mistake long term.

 

[Esparadrapo]

I think a big problem, though, is a Valve box is really going to struggle to show value against a PS5 Pro. It's never going to hit volume that a PS5 Pro hits and Valve is going to struggle with exclusives even more than Microsoft. So imagine it being significantly more expensive than the PS5 Pro but not significantly more powerful.

You'd also HAVE to go Nvidia for DLSS, which means you're going to pay a pretty penny for GPU.

I think it could have success for people who want their steam library in their living rooms but don't want a console, but that's not going to be a massive market. Really as I said the best target audience is Xbox consumers and the idea that you could maybe get all games from all publishers outside of Nintendo on it.

I also think this will push Sony to move faster with their PC storefront, so maybe a mistake long term.

Sure a PC will struggle to show value against a box that only can play games.

I'm not really sure where the notion of this single machine out of the entire PC lot having to best a console comes from. If this Steam Machine sways consumers from the console space to the PC space the objective would be accomplished. If it gives the final push to people into videogames that don't like consoles the same.

If Sony pushes a PC storefront that would be the best for everyone and Valve would welcome it with open arms as it would only increase their business like any Steam Deck competitor, like any Steam Machine competitor.

 

[OuterLimits]

I would definitely be interested depending on price and reviews.

 

[Madserb2023]

Not a bad idea as a long as it is basically a console version of the Steam Deck. So the ability to set arbitrary frame rate etc. Great controller support. If they can deliver better than PS5 Pro performance while being below $1000 then it would be an interesting proposition especially paired with a Steam Deck. If it has an Nvidia GPU which I doubt, it could be vastly better at pushing games like Silent Hill 2, Alan Wake 2 etc.

 

[Schmendrick]

Yes. That’s why valve is making this. If it wasn’t an issue and everyone was happy with windows integration then why would they do this? Driver update every few months is the only time you touch a kbm, no. Unless that’s how often you use it.

Nonsense. You can't come up with actual common issues outside of the usual Reddit threads which also exist for consoles... So now you're just resorting to gaslighting.
I haven't had an issue with a steam game since at least win 7 where i'd have to tinker with configs or do anything outside of steam/the game. If I wanted my pc to be a glorified console I'd already be set.
So please do enlighten me about that "bullshit" I'm supposedly dealing with....

 

[Durin]

GamePass just got a huge price hike and it's not the obvious slam dunk deal when you don't own the games.

I get not owning the games, but going from $10 to $12 a month isn't a huge price hike after 7 years vs. new games hiking from $60 to $70. The same service at launch only had a bit over 100+ games, and now has 400+ titles instead. Maybe one day it will be bad value, but it isn't now.

Whatever "cost advantage" PC has is negligible at best for a digital only owner. People aren't going to make decisions to go to PC because they feel it's cheaper, especially when the hardware costs are significantly more.

3rd party key sites will have newly released/upcoming games for 20-25% off (Monster Hunter Wilds is going for 22% off places now). That's not negligible, that's up to a 1/4 less. Clearanced keys for older games go for cheaper than I could find at bargain bin retail back in the day, like Tales of Vesperia I got for $2.89 last week...it was $10 on sale on consoles + Steam. When retail game options continue to shrink away, bargain bin options will shrink for consoles.

Decisions people make for hardware cost vary depending on the graphics they want, and those desires are trending downwards. The Switch outsold the stronger spec console competition, AAA budgets pushing fidelity are becoming increasingly unsustainable, the PS5 Pro is less noticeable an improvement than the PS4 Pro for more cost, and Mark Cerny indicated in that reveal that the majority of PS5 users opt for the performance mode over fidelity mode in games.

Future is going to be where game cost, service features and portability matter more than needing high-end PC hardware creating that gap. Budget PCs offer a smaller gap, and Steam Deck is $50-100 more than a Switch.

 

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I get not owning the games, but going from $10 to $12 a month isn't a huge price hike after 7 years vs. new games hiking from $60 to $70. The same service at launch only had a bit over 100+ games, and now has 400+ titles instead. Maybe one day it will be bad value, but it isn't now.

Where are you getting those numbers from? I pay 18 euros a month for Ultimate.

Edit: nevermind, you're talking PC.

 

[Durin]

Where are you getting those numbers from? I pay 18 euros a month for Ultimate.

Edit: nevermind, you're talking PC.

Yeah, the pricing options Microsoft is doing different for Xbox are bizarre.

 

[Parazels]

Valve sees Sony with a $700 PS5 Pro and thinks, "Yes, we can do that...and we can probably do it better."

Since when did Valve become more experienced console manufacturer, than Sony?

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Nonsense. You can't come up with actual common issues outside of the usual Reddit threads which also exist for consoles... So now you're just resorting to gaslighting.
I haven't had an issue with a steam game since at least win 7 where i'd have to tinker with configs or do anything outside of steam/the game. If I wanted my pc to be a glorified console I'd already be set.
So please do enlighten me about that "bullshit" I'm supposedly dealing with....

Ok…Let’s talk about some issues I have experienced using with a pc as a console with a tv.

1. Try hooking up a sound system to it with it and also use a head set. Pc loses it shit and defaults back to stereo forgetting the old setting. yeah you can save profiles but you have to go into change it back manually either way.

2. When drivers are updated. Sometimes custom settings for video are forgotten and it have to go back and change. No my tv does 4/120 not 4K/60.

3. You have to update drivers other more frequently other than just the gpu “every few months”.

4. You like logging in? Because with a lot of games you’re still using other launchers. Your signing in for those. They personally require it. Your not going to tell me you signed into everything five years ago once you haven’t since… also updating when you click to open.

5. Some games require and mouse and keyboard in the menus even if it has controller support. Or if you use the Steam overlay for controller where a game doesn’t support controller or the magnetism is just off.

6. This resolution isn’t supported for some reason… screen goes black reboot try again.

Are just a few off the top of my head of things the bother me that I have experienced. It’s just the fact of the general upkeep is greater. I would prefer not to mess with it.

 

[Schmendrick]

Ok…Let’s talk about some issues I have experienced using with a pc as a console with a tv.

1. Try hooking up a sound system to it with it and also use a head set. Pc loses it shit and defaults back to stereo forgetting the old setting. yeah you can save profiles but you have to go into change it back manually either way.

Hasn`t happened to me since win 7 when I made the switch to an HDMI coupled system + BT headphones.
My only sound issues of the last years were with my PS5 not playing well with my receiver at all.

2. When drivers are updated. Sometimes custom settings for video are forgotten and it have to go back and change. No my tv does 4/120 not 4K/60.

Aside from complete driver wipes when I do hardware changes this hasn`t happened to me with NVIDIA hardware, ever. But that may be dependent on what the TV manufacturer does with the HDMI connection.
These issues used to happen with Monitors back when manufacturers weren`t quite sure with their digital communication standards. But that`s also stuff I haven`t experienced....boy since the early 2010s at least.

3. You have to update drivers other more frequently other than just the gpu “every few months”.

That´s just not true.
There`s Windows updates, which aside from service packs are not forced upon you and happen in the background.
There`s the GPU drivers that you can either upgrade manually or automate it.
Everything else is 3rd party stuff you can completely ignore and disable, 100% your choice. On a pure gaming PC there should be nothing of that sort.
I haven`t manually updated/installed a non work related driver since win 7 (aside from the GPU).

4. You like logging in? Because with a lot of games you’re still using other launchers. Your signing in for those. They personally require it. Your not going to tell me you signed into everything five years ago once you haven’t since… also updating when you click to open.

I´m mostly steam and gog which covers 99% of releases on PC. No logging in for me, ever, aside from when I actually play real PC exclusives like LoL.
But yeah, depending on your taste in gaming that may be a valid point. The update thing is the same with consoles, though.

5. Some games require and mouse and keyboard in the menus even if it has controller support. Or if you use the Steam overlay for controller where a game doesn’t support controller or the magnetism is just off.

Maybe some PC exclusives, but that is rare and you know upfront what it is made for.

6. This resolution isn’t supported for some reason… screen goes black reboot try again.

Never ever happened to me outside of hardware swaps and even then we`re talking 10 years plus since the last time.

Are just a few off the top of my head of things the bother me that I have experienced. It’s just the fact of the general upkeep is greater. I would prefer not to mess with it.

So we`re gonna list singular happenings of which most are either setup or upgrade related (aside from the login) and happen once per decade and pretend those are common?
The stuff you listed all happend at some point, but that is seriously ancient....To me most of what you listed are tales from a different era, like you`re talking about the 2000/s early 2010s....If any of what you listed here is a common occurence for you right now then you definitely have setup issues or bigger hardware incompatibilities.

In the last 10 years I´ve had honest to god more trouble with my OLEDs refusing to correctly play along with my receiver + ps5 than I´ve had with all of your points here combined.

 

[Astray]

More Linux-based gaming devices on the market is great because fuck Windows.

The big issue facing this project imo is the same one that faced almost all Valve hardware projects: Lack of distribution and promotion. Valve is simply not equipped to do anything hardware at any kind of scale.

I personally expect Valve to be primarily targeting this at PC users who are being outpaced by hardware pricing and might consider buying a PS or Xbox device to play AAA games, it's honestly no coincidence to me that this leaks right before Nvidia announces their new 5000 series pricing, which will almost certainly be extremely exorbitant.

 

[Bry0]

Ok…Let’s talk about some issues I have experienced using with a pc as a console with a tv.

1. Try hooking up a sound system to it with it and also use a head set. Pc loses it shit and defaults back to stereo forgetting the old setting. yeah you can save profiles but you have to go into change it back manually either way.

2. When drivers are updated. Sometimes custom settings for video are forgotten and it have to go back and change. No my tv does 4/120 not 4K/60.

3. You have to update drivers other more frequently other than just the gpu “every few months”.

4. You like logging in? Because with a lot of games you’re still using other launchers. Your signing in for those. They personally require it. Your not going to tell me you signed into everything five years ago once you haven’t since… also updating when you click to open.

5. Some games require and mouse and keyboard in the menus even if it has controller support. Or if you use the Steam overlay for controller where a game doesn’t support controller or the magnetism is just off.

6. This resolution isn’t supported for some reason… screen goes black reboot try again.

Are just a few off the top of my head of things the bother me that I have experienced. It’s just the fact of the general upkeep is greater. I would prefer not to mess with it.

I have also ran into many of these things using windows on my living room pc. Steam OS on the deck has a solution/improvement for basically all of this, and is exactly why a small form factor “steam box” with a new steam controller would be appealing to me.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Hasn`t happened to me since win 7 when I made the switch to an HDMI coupled system + BT headphones.
My only sound issues of the last years were with my PS5 not playing well with my receiver at all.

Aside from complete driver wipes when I do hardware changes this hasn`t happened to me with NVIDIA hardware, ever. But that may be dependent on what the TV manufacturer does with the HDMI connection.
These issues used to happen with Monitors back when manufacturers weren`t quite sure with their digital communication standards. But that`s also stuff I haven`t experienced....boy since the early 2010s at least.

That´s just not true.
There`s Windows updates, which aside from service packs are not forced upon you and happen in the background.
There`s the GPU drivers that you can either upgrade manually or automate it.
Everything else is 3rd party stuff you can completely ignore and disable, 100% your choice. On a pure gaming PC there should be nothing of that sort.
I haven`t manually updated/installed a non work related driver since win 7 (aside from the GPU).

I´m mostly steam and gog which covers 99% of releases on PC. No logging in for me, ever, aside from when I actually play real PC exclusives like LoL.
But yeah, depending on your taste in gaming that may be a valid point. The update thing is the same with consoles, though.

Maybe some PC exclusives, but that is rare and you know upfront what it is made for.

Never ever happened to me outside of hardware swaps and even then we`re talking 10 years plus since the last time.

So we`re gonna list singular happenings of which most are either setup or upgrade related (aside from the login) and happen once per decade and pretend those are common?
The stuff you listed all happend at some point, but that is seriously ancient....To me most of what you listed are tales from a different era, like you`re talking about the 2000/s early 2010s....If any of what you listed here is a common occurence for you right now then you definitely have setup issues or bigger hardware incompatibilities.

In the last 10 years I´ve had honest to god more trouble with my OLEDs refusing to correctly play along with my receiver + ps5 than I´ve had with all of your points here combined.

You asked me to list points that occurred for me specifically. I named stuff all within the last 6 months that I had commonly repeatable issues. Not sure what else you want. I didn’t tag you, I provided some of my examples.

I’m not saying that PC gaming is bad. It’s pretty much better in just about every other case than convenience and some of the things I listed could be created with more “permanent workarounds” but that’s the whole reason I made the general comment of “bullshit”. You disagree, that’s fine too.

 

[Wolzard]

The Reddit speculation thread on this noted that geekbench returns an 8540u when you search “AMD Lilac”, and the gpu results actually show it paired with an 7600m xt. While I highly doubt that is representative of the final product, and may not even be related to this device at all, that does seem like specs pretty adjacent to a lot of mini PCs. I think the atomman g7 is a 7940hx and 7600m xt for $999? Cutting back to a much cheaper processor could shave the bom a lot. I really don’t think valve would do a big expensive custom apu if they had alternatives from AMD that can already be acquired cheaply. These parts are also basically last gen at this point, and Navi 33 seems overproduced.

All complete speculation based of a questionable bench result, but interesting to think about. lol.

It would be an interesting choice, it would give a performance similar to the amateur PS5. Even more interesting would be to add some AI cores to support FSR4 well, with upscaling and framegen.

 

[BlackTron]

I think a Valve box would get a lot of disenfranchised Xbox consumers who refuse to buy PlayStation.

I think a big problem, though, is a Valve box is really going to struggle to show value against a PS5 Pro. It's never going to hit volume that a PS5 Pro hits and Valve is going to struggle with exclusives even more than Microsoft. So imagine it being significantly more expensive than the PS5 Pro but not significantly more powerful.

You'd also HAVE to go Nvidia for DLSS, which means you're going to pay a pretty penny for GPU.

I think it could have success for people who want their steam library in their living rooms but don't want a console, but that's not going to be a massive market. Really as I said the best target audience is Xbox consumers and the idea that you could maybe get all games from all publishers outside of Nintendo on it.

I also think this will push Sony to move faster with their PC storefront, so maybe a mistake long term.

Struggle with exclusives more than Xbox when it has all Xbox games day one lol.

Almost nothing in this post makes sense. Just replace every instance of "Valve Box" with "Steam Deck".

Deck doesn't need exclusives. It doesn't have any. Valve's model is not selling games specifically on their one platform which raises an install base on the backs of wise exclusive games, like Sony or Nintendo.

They don't need exclusives to get an install base going to buy their services, V bucks and whatever. It's all already there. It's just another way to play PC games.

 

[Schmendrick]

I named stuff all within the last 6 months that I had commonly repeatable issues.

Then I have to repeat myself. Nothing of what you listed should be a common occurence in a properly set up system.

I’m not saying that PC gaming is bad.

never took it that way, don`t worry.

You disagree, that’s fine too.

I think the issue is more that we`re both sitting on anecdotal evidence. There isn`t exactly a statistic that could back either of us.
All I can say is that since I´ve split up my systems in "Work" and "Free-time" some years ago I´ve had zero, and I mean zero, issues. Gaming is such a non-intrusive action for an OS like Windows that there isn`t much that you can break at all. But even before that, the stuff you listed was each literally a once every few years thing , so seriously....review your setup .
At least the "frequent updates stuff" sounds like clutter and should be a 5 min fix.

 

[Chiggs]

Since when did Valve become more experienced console manufacturer, than Sony?

You ever hear of a strawman argument? If not, you're pulling one right now.

I never said Valve was better than Sony at consoles. I said they looked at the PS5 Pro--a niche machine with a lot of controversy surrounding it--and said, "We can probably do better than that."

Somehow, you translate that into me asserting Valve has basically laughed at Sony's achievements and accrued expertise over the last 30 years?! Huh?

Also, do you remember when a plucky new contender with a boatload of cash and a killer product faced off against entrenched veterans Sega and Nintendo? I know I certainly do.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Then I have to repeat myself. Nothing of what you listed should be a common occurence in a properly set up system.

never took it that way, don`t worry.

I think the issue is more that we`re both sitting on anecdotal evidence. There isn`t exactly a statistic that could back either of us.
All I can say is that since I´ve split up my systems in "Work" and "Free-time" some years ago I´ve had zero, and I mean zero, issues. Gaming is such a non-intrusive action for an OS like Windows that there isn`t much that you can break at all. But even before that, the stuff you listed was each literally a once every few years thing , so seriously....review your setup .
At least the "frequent updates stuff" sounds like clutter and should be a 5 min fix.

Which setup? Who said I had just one? They occur on both. One 9700k/3080 the other 58003d/4090 both on win 11. It probably isn't me, Ive been putting these together for about 30 years now back to the days of when you had to manaully configure IRQ settings pre WIN95 days.

But that further demonstrates my point. It's not the same as consoles. Your solution is refuting the point you are trying to make. It's not as hassle free as consoles is it? Others have been stating the same in this thread as well as we have been conversing. Not sure if you are willfully ignoring to prove a point, but if you want to believe your PC can be just as easy to use as a console, then you keep believing it.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Would have to be aggressively priced right to gain traction and I just don't see it.

Priced right with decent specs it could really be a force seeing it would be a console with PC, Xbox and PS games.

 

[BlackTron]

Would have to be aggressively priced right to gain traction and I just don't see it.

Priced right with decent specs it could really be a force seeing it would be a console with PC, Xbox and PS games.

What does traction mean though?

It's like wow SteamDeck has its work cut out making any traction against Switch.

Eh, no it doesn't. This isn't something that only succeeds if it sells a ton, in order to sell games, and take market share. It just has to sell enough to be worth making more, which seems kinda easy for Steam.

 

[TrebleShot]

I think they'll do one but it will.be quite underpowered compared to something like the PS5 pro or series X.

It will likely launch next year and be no powerful than a series s.

 

[Parazels]

I think they'll do one but it will.be quite underpowered compared to something like the PS5 pro or series X.

It will likely launch next year and be no powerful than a series s.

Very interesting approach.
A cheap console (but more powerful than Series S) + cheap games. Why not?

 

[TrebleShot]

Very interesting approach.
A cheap console (but more powerful than Series S) + cheap games. Why not?

Yeah plus they know most people interested probably have a steam deck or pc

 

[Dorfdad]

This seems like a natural fit for the next Xbox release. I’m sure we’ll see other hardware companies come out with similar devices. I’m sure Microsoft is working with them to make sure it meets their standards

 

[Parazels]

This seems like a natural fit for the next Xbox release. I’m sure we’ll see other hardware companies come out with similar devices. I’m sure Microsoft is working with them to make sure it meets their standards

Who is Microsoft working with?

 

[welshrat]

Man I could be half interested in this thing. I own a good pc, ps5 pro and steam deck. Sold my Xbox yet still think I could buy one of these..

Specs Will be interesting, do we think the apu will be upgradeable ?

 

[TrebleShot]

Man I could be half interested in this thing. I own a good pc, ps5 pro and steam deck. Sold my Xbox yet still think I could buy one of these..

Specs Will be interesting, do we think the apu will be upgradeable ?

Nah I'm thinking steam deck but set top box. So low power draw very specific hardware.

These devices have always been about getting cheaper easy access to steam.

 

[n0razi]

I would prefer if they just released an APK that you can install on any android machine with good enough specs... I have enough redundant hardware connected to my TV as is

 

[Futaleufu]

Since when did Valve become more experienced console manufacturer, than Sony?

Unlike console makers Valve doesnt need to reinvent the wheel with bespoke hardware to release gaming hardware. They only need to pick a CPU/GPU/MB/RAM/SSD combo thats cheap to manufacture/assemble/sell.

EDIT: They already did the hard part with the Deck. Its way easier to create something without caring about watts and efficient cooling.

 

[ArtHands]

Struggle with exclusives more than Xbox when it has all Xbox games day one lol.

Almost nothing in this post makes sense. Just replace every instance of "Valve Box" with "Steam Deck".

Deck doesn't need exclusives. It doesn't have any. Valve's model is not selling games specifically on their one platform which raises an install base on the backs of wise exclusive games, like Sony or Nintendo.

They don't need exclusives to get an install base going to buy their services, V bucks and whatever. It's all already there. It's just another way to play PC games.

I feel like talking about exclusive is a clear sign that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Best not waste time on people like them in the future

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

 

[Iced Arcade]

What does traction mean though?

It's like wow SteamDeck has its work cut out making any traction against Switch.

Eh, no it doesn't. This isn't something that only succeeds if it sells a ton, in order to sell games, and take market share. It just has to sell enough to be worth making more, which seems kinda easy for Steam.

Meant as in marketshare. And it could do good or could absolutely dominate the market if done right.

I'm not team "#1 sales means the bestest" so relax.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If steamdeck sold decently well, I can see a high powered, but reasonably priced steambox doing ok too. Steam controls it. 1 or 2 models. That's it.

None of that shit way back where a ton of noname manufacturers spammed all kinds of models at different prices. Even if someone was interested back then, skimming all the models and specs was probably a turn off.

 

[64bitmodels]

If you want to go with the lowest cost possible, a disc drive console beats them by a mile

Hardly. prices of keys are usually way cheaper than used game sales. Not to mention you don't have to pay for online on PC, & the added cost of that 20 a month goes up quick

And yet, the Steam hardware survey shows that the majority of PC gamers are using old-ass tech.

One thing that old is practically synonymous with is cheap. Will this Steam-Machine be cheap? People use older GPUs and such because they cost less than the newer stuff, especially in recent years. That crowd isn't gonna be springing for a 700 dollar Steam Box or a 700 dollar PS5 Pro.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

A SteamOS already exists. It's known as Bazzite and it can run on a full blown PC and gaming performance is almost always on par and sometimes even better than WIndows. It just needs nvidia support to become perfect.

Still a true SteamOS would be amazing as it would likely offer the support for nvidia GPUs.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Just curious for you steamdeck experts, how's the game fidelity and performance vs a similar powered PC?

Does SteamOS have big performance boost if Windows and bloat is cut out?

Just trying to gauge if a dedicated Steambox with specs XYZ would be that much better than Windows PC 123 to make it worth a PC gamer choosing a Steambox over just playing on their current PC or just get a new Windows PC for higher price.

 

[64bitmodels]

Does SteamOS have big performance boost if Windows and bloat is cut out?

Not really, linux perf is equivalent to windows most times

the difference that removing bloat makes is offset by the translation cost of DX>VK. It's not like game performance was a major issue on Windows or any PC really.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Hardly. prices of keys are usually way cheaper than used game sales. Not to mention you don't have to pay for online on PC, & the added cost of that 20 a month goes up quick

No they aren’t, you can also sell back your discs which you aren’t taking into account

And you don’t have to pay $20/month, you may not need to pay anything at all if you don’t play online games (many don’t, given how hated GaaS is here)

 

[salva]

The biggest point will be the software. If they can further improve SteamOS and proton compatibility with the Steam library this would be the best outcome. I'm happy with my current PC + my recent Steam Deck purchase.

The only missing piece for me is being able to natively install Xbox PC Game Pass games (not streaming) on the deck. This is what I also imagine could be an outcome of the lol "everything is an Xbox".

 

[64bitmodels]

No they aren’t, you can also sell back your discs which you aren’t taking into account

usually for a lower price. Physical stuff always loses value unless it is never used. you're still losing money regardless of if you sell the disc or not.

And you don’t have to pay $20/month, you may not need to pay anything at all if you don’t play online games (many don’t, given how hated GaaS is here)

This is cope.

 

[Dorfdad]

Who is Microsoft working with?

A while back they mentioned they are working with third party vendors HeisenbergFX4 might know more but the big rumor was they were going to allow third party vendors design their own versions of the hardware and they would provide the os.