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[llien]

Anyway, on topic.

NV has all reasons to go 5090 first as it is the card that got MOST buffs vs previous gen.
5080 afterwards makes sense as it is still unthreatened by the 9000 lineup.

No review date for 5070 and 5070Ti is... lol. (ok, so, "some time in Feb".

If I ruled AMD, I'd still bench for wenchmarks and give 0 Fs about bitching. (which mostly comes from the competitor camp anyhow)

 

[PeteBull]

5090 is like 20% more performant than the 4090

It's hilarious you are arguing over value with this in mind on a $2000 gpu.

4090's current streetprice is 2500usd bro, and i mean here cheapest base models with subpar cooling, look for urself:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=539&sort=price&page=1

Even fricken bottom of the stack msi gaming x slim is avaiable at 2544usd, and when we talking about rtx 4090, big chunker of a gpu with 450W tpd, u dont want anything to be "slim" in there, u want card with a beefy massive dumpy so cooling is efficient and quiet, u are basically a

 

[Gaiff]

U would think 4070 is 70% faster, but nope, if we talking raster, just look at it:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Specs

NVIDIA TU104, 1710 MHz, 2944 Cores, 184 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

ps5 is roughly as good as rx 6700(non xt)/rtx2080/rx 7600/rtx 4060, ofc talking raw raster
4090 is at least 3x stronger, 5090 likely gonna be 4x stronger
Ofc some games it will be bit more, some bit less, especially if we count in rt performance, at which ps5 is simply super terrible, but raw raster, ballpark ps5 is around 2080/4060/7600, definitely below 6700xt obviously.
We gotta remember both ps5 and even the pr0 got pretty terrible cpu(pr0 has 10% higher clock but its same old zen2 cpu) so in many games fps is simply cpu bottlenecked, and hard, especially in the performance modes in cpu heavy scenarios.

AMD Radeon RX 6700 Specs

AMD Navi 22, 2450 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 160 bit

www.techpowerup.com

It's actually more like a 2070S, VRAM notwithstanding. Using the 6700, the 4070 is 60% faster according to techpowerup and that's just at 1080p. If we include 1440p and 4K, that average moves much closer to 70%.

 

[Thebonehead]

Reviews will be great. Mark my words.

 

[Thebonehead]

Reviews will be shit. Mark my words.

 

[Thebonehead]

Reviews will be great. Mark my words.

Reviews will be shit. Mark my words.

I'm just covering both bases so I can O onQ123 quote myself post review

 

[OverHeat]

…Im scared of the reviews, but FOMO will still make me buy it

 

[Guardian Monkey]

The prices alone tell the story. 5090 will be the holy grail for the next couple years. 5080/70/60 will have middlingly improvements, justifying the lower price points. I think dlss4 with frame doubling will be very very good with transformer. But for other games that don't support it you're really not that much better off for price vs performance than probably the 30 series releases. There are pros and cons to all of them.

 

[PeteBull]

…Im scared of the reviews, but FOMO will still make me buy it

Gotta wait for independend reviews, man, but lets be real, with 575tdp vs 450W the 4090 had, it has to be that 30-40% faster on avg from already really good 4090, it will smash, and it will make us all want it, streetprice will be at 3k usd 4sure, at least for those models with beefy cooling that are actually worth getting xD

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I expect the 5090 to be anywhere from 20-30% faster than the 4090.
I expect the 5080 to be not much faster than the 4080S
I expect the 5070Ti to be slightly faster than the 4070 Ti.

Overall, a sideways upgrade for 4000 owners.

I hope there is node shrinkage for the 6000 series. I want to see a proper upgrade in both power and efficiency (similar to 4000 series). After looking at the specs, the 5000 series simply represents bad value for money.

 

[PeteBull]

If we actually get legit 30%+ uplift in raw performance vs 4090 i think it will be very respectable, and worthy upgrade.
Other cards not so much, but when we talking BiS card its bit different, target audience simply wants the best, we arent that much price sensitive here as long as we know we getting our money's worth.
TLDR: IMO 5090 will be flying of the shelves with actual streetprice around 3k usd, other cards in the lineup will only sell decently(and at close to msrp) if they present at least mild bump to price/perf ratio vs 40xx series.

Edit: Lets check how much improvement we got going from bis 30xx series, so 3090ti vs 4090, fair comparision coz both cards are 450W tdp, and their price was also similar, around 2k usd at launch.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Specs

NVIDIA GA102, 1860 MHz, 10752 Cores, 336 TMUs, 112 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

+41% uplift in raw performance on avg

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

If we actually get legit 30%+ uplift in raw performance vs 4090 i think it will be very respectable, and worthy upgrade.
Other cards not so much, but when we talking BiS card its bit different, target audience simply wants the best, we arent that much price sensitive here as long as we know we getting our money's worth.
TLDR: IMO 5090 will be flying of the shelves with actual streetprice around 3k usd, other cards in the lineup will only sell decently(and at close to msrp) if they present at least mild bump to price/perf ratio vs 40xx series.

Edit: Lets check how much improvement we got going from bis 30xx series, so 3090ti vs 4090, fair comparision coz both cards are 450W tdp, and their price was also similar, around 2k usd at launch.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Specs

NVIDIA GA102, 1860 MHz, 10752 Cores, 336 TMUs, 112 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

+41% uplift in raw performance on avg

The 4090 was a monstrous upgrade over the 3090Ti.

There is no improvement in efficiency for the 5090. It will be faster - but is more power hungry, and costs proportionally more.

The rest of the line up - NVIDIA scammed us again lol.

 

[MMaRsu]

The 4090 was a monstrous upgrade over the 3090Ti.

There is no improvement in efficiency for the 5090. It will be faster - but is more power hungry, and costs proportionally more.

The rest of the line up - NVIDIA scammed us again lol.

Isnt the 5070 faster than the 4070, and in that way, much faster than the 3070?

Seems like a good upgrade for me

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Isnt the 5070 faster than the 4070, and in that way, much faster than the 3070?

Seems like a good upgrade for me

Much better in RT. Very slight improvement in CUDA/shader count. Theoretically a very minor bump in rasterised performance.

 

[MMaRsu]

Much better in RT. Very slight improvement in CUDA/shader count. Theoretically a very minor bump in rasterised performance.

Compared to a 4070 or compared to a 3070?

Because Im rocking a 3070 and eying a 5070 as my next upgrade

 

[Radical_3d]

Safe to assume DLSS 4 comes out the same day? Can't wait to try that thing.

Which card do you have, my brother in Cristo? Because it's quite telling that the first batch of DLSS 4 cards start at a minimum of 1.000 TOPs...

 

[TintoConCasera]

Which card do you have, my brother in Cristo? Because it's quite telling that the first batch of DLSS 4 cards start at a minimum of 1.000 TOPs...

I have a 4070 Super my hombre. No multi-frame gen for me, but I'm curious about testing DLSS 4 and the new AI model in a few games.

Most probably I won't be getting a 5xxx but still, curious to see how that multi-frame gen feels in games. Can't wait to read user's impressions on that.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Compared to a 4070 or compared to a 3070?

Because Im rocking a 3070 and eying a 5070 as my next upgrade

A 3070 -> 5070 will be a good upgrade.

A 4070 -> 5070 will likely not be a good upgrade unless you're dying for DLSS4 framegen.

 

[TheRedRiders]

I'm just covering both bases so I can O onQ123 quote myself post review

Lmao!

 

[MMaRsu]

A 3070 -> 5070 will be a good upgrade.

A 4070 -> 5070 will likely not be a good upgrade unless you're dying for DLSS4 framegen.

Thanks, yeah I have a 3070 so Im thinking this will be a great upgrade for a decent price

Can sell the 3070 for a few hundred bucks too

 

[BlackTron]

There's not a game that will ever be developed with this target in mind either for the next two decades

Nowadays games are just plopped into unreal engine and it's up to us to have enough juice to run them at the res/frames/effects we want.

Games come out on consoles basically nerfed to fit the constraints and as soon as it's on PC the end user can improve it by adjusting sliders.

This is made more obvious by console performance vs fidelity modes, that is a console isn't even a single target anymore just a weaker PC with less sliders.

 

[Gubaldo]

Nah,. On avg it will be 40-45% over 4090

 

[PeteBull]

Thanks, yeah I have a 3070 so Im thinking this will be a great upgrade for a decent price

Can sell the 3070 for a few hundred bucks too

If i might suggest something, go for 5070ti instead, i know its bit more expensive but im guessing u wanna keep it till at least 70xx series cards, so 5-6years, 12gigs 5070 wont be good enough by that time, unless maybe for 1080p high, 16gigs of vram in 5070ti is significantly more futureproofed and will carry u safely for next 5-6years w/o any problem, especially that u will get more performance too from 70ti vs non ti version.
Make it even so, that u save month or two longer but dont put urself into that 12gigs of vram bracket if u expect to play above 1080p resolutions in few years.
TLDR: I know 550$ 5070 seems like good deal vs 200$ more expensive 5070ti but u get visibly more performance on top of additional 4 gigs of vram too.

 

[Topher]

I expect the 5070Ti to be slightly faster than the 4070 Ti.

Do you mean 4070 Ti Super?

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Do you mean 4070 Ti Super?

Yes - good catch

Retarded naming convention

4070
4070 Ti
4070 Ti Super...

 

[Bojji]

If i might suggest something, go for 5070ti instead, i know its bit more expensive but im guessing u wanna keep it till at least 70xx series cards, so 5-6years, 12gigs 5070 wont be good enough by that time, unless maybe for 1080p high, 16gigs of vram in 5070ti is significantly more futureproofed and will carry u safely for next 5-6years w/o any problem, especially that u will get more performance too from 70ti vs non ti version.
Make it even so, that u save month or two longer but dont put urself into that 12gigs of vram bracket if u expect to play above 1080p resolutions in few years.
TLDR: I know 550$ 5070 seems like good deal vs 200$ more expensive 5070ti but u get visibly more performance on top of additional 4 gigs of vram too.

Yep. 12GB allows to play all games at console settings, but better settings may require more (and they do).

12GB is the minimum for new GPU buyers in 2025 IMO, 16GB is recommended.

 

[Radical_3d]

I have a 4070 Super my hombre. No multi-frame gen for me, but I'm curious about testing DLSS 4 and the new AI model in a few games.

Most probably I won't be getting a 5xxx but still, curious to see how that multi-frame gen feels in games. Can't wait to read user's impressions on that.

That's the thing, chacho. The new model is not a magic trick. nVidia said that it takes way more variables to the reconstruction. I'm very curious as how that new model will perform in older cards and more importantly: will the 2000 series be able to switch back to 3 or will they be forced to upgrade or put up with abysmal performance?

 

[SolidQ]

2GB is the minimum for new GPU buyers in 2025 IMO, 16GB is recommended.

N44 and RTX 5060 is almost dead, unless they cost max 180-200

PCGH demonstrates why 8GB GPUs are simply not good enough for 2025 - VideoCardz.com

Graphics cards with 8GB VRAM not good enough for 2025 gaming And don’t even think about ray tracing with small VRAM. PC Games Hardware conducted an interesting test of graphics cards focusing on the AMD Radeon RX 7600 series. Since AMD launched two nearly identical models (7600XT and 7600) with...

videocardz.com

 

[Bojji]

N44 and RTX 5060 is almost dead, unless they cost max 180-200

PCGH demonstrates why 8GB GPUs are simply not good enough for 2025 - VideoCardz.com

Graphics cards with 8GB VRAM not good enough for 2025 gaming And don’t even think about ray tracing with small VRAM. PC Games Hardware conducted an interesting test of graphics cards focusing on the AMD Radeon RX 7600 series. Since AMD launched two nearly identical models (7600XT and 7600) with...

videocardz.com

Yep, if they release it with 8GB they can go fuck themselves. 10GB is the ABSOLUTE minimum for low-mid end cards even at 1080p.

We know that 5060ti will probably have 16GB so (AGAIN) they put xx70 card with that stupid 12GB between two Ti cards with 16GB...

With 8GB (and even 12GB sometimes) frame generation is unusable in many games (goes out of vram and kills performance).

 

[MMaRsu]

N44 and RTX 5060 is almost dead, unless they cost max 180-200

PCGH demonstrates why 8GB GPUs are simply not good enough for 2025 - VideoCardz.com

Graphics cards with 8GB VRAM not good enough for 2025 gaming And don’t even think about ray tracing with small VRAM. PC Games Hardware conducted an interesting test of graphics cards focusing on the AMD Radeon RX 7600 series. Since AMD launched two nearly identical models (7600XT and 7600) with...

videocardz.com

What does this graph even mean? Performance 100% vs performanc 70% for instance? Is this on max settings?

My 3070 can run every current game under the sun.

Ofcourse not at the highest resolution with max settings. But I can run all those games listed without problems.

 

[llien]

N44 and RTX 5060 is almost dead, unless they cost max 180-200

PCGH demonstrates why 8GB GPUs are simply not good enough for 2025 - VideoCardz.com

Graphics cards with 8GB VRAM not good enough for 2025 gaming And don’t even think about ray tracing with small VRAM. PC Games Hardware conducted an interesting test of graphics cards focusing on the AMD Radeon RX 7600 series. Since AMD launched two nearly identical models (7600XT and 7600) with...

videocardz.com

Mm, ain't that about "RT on", which 8GB card users tend to have off anyhow?

 

[Idleyes]

I'm really trying to hold the line with my 4090 but the minmaxer in me is talking LOUD AF right now.

 

[SolidQ]

ain't that about "RT on",

Horizon doesn't have RT and other games

Is this on max settings?

Yep max set

 

[N0S]

Yes - good catch

Retarded naming convention

4070
4070 Ti
4070 Ti Super...

No it isnt retarded

 

[Bojji]

What does this graph even mean? Performance 100% vs performanc 70% for instance? Is this on max settings?

My 3070 can run every current game under the sun.

Ofcourse not at the highest resolution with max settings. But I can run all those games listed without problems.

You sure?

I was super vram limited on 5700XT and 3060ti in 2022. I was also vram limited in 2023 on 4070ti in some games.

Maybe you just don't see where performance tanks because of vram or play on low settings in some games/low resolution?

 

[SolidQ]

You sure?

I saw on stream Hellblade 2 there was drops to 5fps, due VRAM on RTX 3070ti

 

[Bojji]

I saw on stream Hellblade 2 there was drops to 5fps, due VRAM on RTX 3070ti

UE5 games are very vram friendly compared to some other but yeah, even in them 8GB might kill performance in places (timestamped):

 

[SolidQ]

UE5 games are very vram friendly compared to some other but yeah, even in them 8GB might kill performance

All tests i saw in friednly area. Where RTX 3070ti was drop to 5fps, it's was lava area

 

[Radical_3d]

All tests i saw in friednly area. Where RTX 3070ti was drop to 5fps, it's was lava area

nVidia: the VRAM is lava.

 

[llien]

"Up to five fans"

MSI announces GeForce RTX 5090 Special Edition GPUs with up to five fans - VideoCardz.com

CES 2025: Redefining Cooling and Performance, MSI Introduces Next-Generation Graphics Solutions with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series At CES 2025, MSI proudly unveiled two groundbreaking NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series graphics cards that deliver exceptional cooling, performance, and AI-powered system...

videocardz.com

Good that they release it in winter, pardon my northern hemisphere bias.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm really trying to hold the line with my 4090 but the minmaxer in me is talking LOUD AF right now.

 

[Topher]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Its a super tough sell to most who already own a 4090 unless like Idleyes you are a min/maxer like so many of us are

When you start tweaking settings pushing for 240 fps that 30% increase looks very enticing to me

 

[MMaRsu]

You sure?

I was super vram limited on 5700XT and 3060ti in 2022. I was also vram limited in 2023 on 4070ti in some games.

Maybe you just don't see where performance tanks because of vram or play on low settings in some games/low resolution?

Wow one entire game!

And a shit game at that

Who cares about Calisto Protocol lmao

Cmon man. Same with Hellblade. Didn't play it.

Any other games, zero issues. Wu Kong is tougher to run, because it's an unoptimized piece of shit.

But new games like Indiana run without any issues whatsoever.

 

[Bojji]

Wow one entire game!

And a shit game at that

Who cares about Calisto Protocol lmao

Cmon man. Same with Hellblade. Didn't play it.

Any other games, zero issues. Wu Kong is tougher to run, because it's an unoptimized piece of shit.

One game? Watch the video maybe?





If you are fine with 8GB then good for you but I don't want to play with textures looking like a soup and I don't recommend anyone to have experience like that.

 

[MMaRsu]

One game? Watch the video maybe?





If you are fine with 8GB then good for you but I don't want to play with textures looking like a soup and I don't recommend anyone to have experience like that.

Holy shit what fake and disengenous videos. I have Ghost of Tsushima. It runs at above 120fps when using DLSS quality at 1440.

Just don't run it at native? What's wrong with using DLSS Quality?

Why in the everloving fuck, would I run 4k NATIVE on a 8GB card?

What kind of retarded shit is that.

These videos are so fucking stupid.

An 8GB card will still run your games perfectly.

Textures looking like SOUP? Did you even watch those videos?

 

[Bojji]

Holy shit what fake and disengenous videos. I have Ghost of Tsushima. It runs at above 120fps when using DLSS quality at 1440.

Just don't run it at native? What's wrong with using DLSS Quality?

Why in the everloving fuck, would I run 4k NATIVE on a 8GB card?

What kind of retarded shit is that.

These videos are so fucking stupid.

An 8GB card will still run your games perfectly.

Textures looking like SOUP? Did you even watch those videos?

Look how Harry Potter looks in HU video. Or IJ:

Or FS that never loads high res textures on 8GB GPUs:

You can be fine with 8GB but don't sell bullshit to other people.

 

[MMaRsu]

Look how Harry Potter looks in HU video. Or IJ:

Or FS that never loads high res textures on 8GB GPUs:

You can be fine with 8GB but don't sell bullshit to other people.

Resize them screenshots man wtf!?!?!

You DO NOT NEED TO PLAY ON LOW TEXTURES TO GET GOOD FPS IN THESE GAMES

I don't, and Indy still looks great. I'll make some screenshots when I'm at home. Or if I'm feeling happy go lucky I'll make a video for you.

It's fun to see people crying about 8GB ram just like a few years ago, when I've been playing and enjoying all these games on a mix of medium/high settings with no framerate issues or muddy textures.

It's exactly as I figured years ago, it was a much ado about nothing. If you set up the settings right, 8GB has been absolutely fine these past few years, and even in 2024/2025 with STALKER 2, Indy etc.

Obviously didnt play Forspoken either, I try to avoid crappy games.

 

[analog_future]

Its a super tough sell to most who already own a 4090 unless like Idleyes you are a min/maxer like so many of us are

When you start tweaking settings pushing for 240 fps that 30% increase looks very enticing to me

30% is a pretty typical jump from one gen to the next though. 4090 was an outlier with it's larger jump over 3000 series.

You add on the multi frame gen stuff and the 5090 is a very nice upgrade over the 4090.

 

[Bojji]

Resize them screenshots man wtf!?!?!

You DO NOT NEED TO PLAY ON LOW TEXTURES TO GET GOOD FPS IN THESE GAMES

I don't, and Indy still looks great. I'll make some screenshots when I'm at home. Or if I'm feeling happy go lucky I'll make a video for you.

It's fun to see people crying about 8GB ram just like a few years ago, when I've been playing and enjoying all these games on a mix of medium/high settings with no framerate issues or muddy textures.

It's exactly as I figured years ago, it was a much ado about nothing. If you set up the settings right, 8GB has been absolutely fine these past few years, and even in 2024/2025 with STALKER 2, Indy etc.

Obviously didnt play Forspoken either, I try to avoid crappy games.

1080p, looks at higher fps of 4060ti 16GB:

But of course fake tests! lol.