TheGodfather07
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I'm pretty sure AI could have generated better dialogue than Bethesda did for starfield.
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Xbox sparks dev revolt with new AI writing partnership: 'Lots of people are going to get fired, games will get worse, and C-suite will get millions'
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Vlodril
Member
The thing is Ai will wreck most industries. Not right now but as it evolves it will gobble up more and more professions. Not sure why people are so petty and gleeful about it since it will affect a big part of the population (if not the majority outright).
ThisIsMyDog
Member
No one should be forced to use/or not to us AI in their games, then market will decide, fuck regulations you commies.
cartman414
Member
If the only jobs left over are trade jobs, I'd be all for elective lobotomies for those unable to take the drudgery.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
just because we can do something. doesn't mean we should.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
I'd say it's a smarter idea to work in robotics than it would be to work in trade. Mostly because robots are going to replace the trades as well...
ChuckeRearmed
Member
It depends. Before the invention of machines, you had multiple people pull the blocks in order to lift buildings...But those jobs disappeared.
Dr.brain64
Member
WitchHunter
Banned
Like taking a dump after drinking your morning coffee? This will be like social media. But of course we'll need a few decades to see the results.
MS poured 10 bill into OpenAI/GPT. Of course they force it on every division they have. Not that it would matter, since innovation in gaming space is nonexistent @ xbox.
Negotiator101
Member
If this affects people's jobs then it has no place in games but if this is a tool to speed up game development (which is certainly needed these days) then great. I think if this is to help and speed up the process then it has a place in the industry but things have to be done carefully and with respect to the workforce.
I might be in the minority, but I always thought games like Skyrim and Oblivion felt dead after you’d exhausted certain quested (specifically side quests) from NPCs….
I think it’s awesome to be able to keep the narratives going like “the thieves guild” after the initial quests that are offered are complete. Just look at Starfield, once your done with the Crimsonfleet story line the reasons for going back there are minimal.
Yet imagine if NOTHING about the game changed, including the actors who got paid for their voice work, and yet AI was implemented for late game content to continue the story. It’s a win/win.
I believe where the issues arises is when AI is implemented from the start as a means to bypass talent and or used to drive the story all together.
I think it’s awesome to be able to keep the narratives going like “the thieves guild” after the initial quests that are offered are complete. Just look at Starfield, once your done with the Crimsonfleet story line the reasons for going back there are minimal.
Yet imagine if NOTHING about the game changed, including the actors who got paid for their voice work, and yet AI was implemented for late game content to continue the story. It’s a win/win.
I believe where the issues arises is when AI is implemented from the start as a means to bypass talent and or used to drive the story all together.
Sadly this is true. But I’m not sure how much of that is the companies direction for PC or their actual ideas. If you only have shit characters to work with and they also are not allowed to do or say something that might offend someone, it will be bad when AI does it too.
TommyCronin6969
Member
These people are realising how easily replacable they are.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Interesting. Until we've seen this in action I'll reserve judgment, but it doesn't sound great for those working for AAA companies.
I imagine indie developers will continue making games the old fashioned way and maybe use A.I to help speed things up a bit or work on areas they are less confident in.
Good news is that there are so many games to play from previous years that even if this ends up being shit, there are enough games to see me through until I get bored of the hobby.
I imagine indie developers will continue making games the old fashioned way and maybe use A.I to help speed things up a bit or work on areas they are less confident in.
Good news is that there are so many games to play from previous years that even if this ends up being shit, there are enough games to see me through until I get bored of the hobby.
crackajack
Member
Every past revolution in tech, also the current office age had very huge effects on the work force and required people to adapt. AI is now here, doing some stuff mouseclick fast and it can't be reversed. Strikes won't help, possible even make it faster. If you already compete with AI, because your work is already not unique enough, your days are practically numbered and you better already learn something new. It will make many jobs obsolete, including mine. Not today or tomorrow, but I expect before my retirement age my job can be done by some app.
Will be interesting/scary times, because a ton of jobs will be cut and I don't see anything replacing it. It will require to implement a ton of socialist ideas to not end in civil wars between a few "working"/managing rich, a new middle class of construction workers, mechanics and an exploding number of unemployed people with some degrees and years of experience. At least reduced work week hours will need to come to give more people equally less work.
Will be interesting/scary times, because a ton of jobs will be cut and I don't see anything replacing it. It will require to implement a ton of socialist ideas to not end in civil wars between a few "working"/managing rich, a new middle class of construction workers, mechanics and an exploding number of unemployed people with some degrees and years of experience. At least reduced work week hours will need to come to give more people equally less work.
supernova8
Banned
If you could use AI to offload certain tasks in daily life and it saved you money, you'd probably do it even if it meant someone somewhere in the value chain losing their job.
This is no different, it's just the shoe on the other foot.
This is no different, it's just the shoe on the other foot.
BootsLoader
Banned
Starfield.
skit_data
Member
This.
This new form of automation via AI is a different beast compared to how it has affected society earlier, which is why I don't deem it predictable in the way ice carriers were replaced by refridgerators and weavers were replaced by spinning jennys etc.
I'm already seeing how it affects my education (taking into account the use of chatgpt etc). If not wielded properly it can have a disruptive effect on the world ecenomy, if it hasn't already.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I have to laugh at all the people who don't care a jot that people will be put out of work - as if AI won't affect their jobs at all ever.
I got in a conversation a few weeks ago with someone who couldn't see what the problem was with AI taking over in the entertainment industry. His job? Cost engineer for a construction firm
Mate… you push numbers about on a computer screen. You’re a prime candidate to get made obsolete by AI.
I bet quite a few of you who don’t seem to care are probably in jobs that AI can do too… This doesn’t stop at the door of Hollywood.
I got in a conversation a few weeks ago with someone who couldn't see what the problem was with AI taking over in the entertainment industry. His job? Cost engineer for a construction firm
Mate… you push numbers about on a computer screen. You’re a prime candidate to get made obsolete by AI.
I bet quite a few of you who don’t seem to care are probably in jobs that AI can do too… This doesn’t stop at the door of Hollywood.
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
There's massive potential in gaming and interactive media to use AI to make character interactions genuinely responsive and dynamic in ways that scripted games simply can't be. The dream of being able to talk to any character about anything.
That tech isn't there yet. And might be a ways off before the tools are there for it to really work in a way that feels authored. But the design implications are too large and it's an inevitable sea change, as transformative as going from pre-rendered 3D to realtime.
That tech isn't there yet. And might be a ways off before the tools are there for it to really work in a way that feels authored. But the design implications are too large and it's an inevitable sea change, as transformative as going from pre-rendered 3D to realtime.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Nintendo’s writers should be sweating.
The days of coming up with which kingdom gets invaded by Bowser, and calling it a day are over.
On a serious note, AI is scary. So many jobs can and probably will be lost due to it. Instead of going to school to become a graphic artist, you’d be better off learning a trade.
The days of coming up with which kingdom gets invaded by Bowser, and calling it a day are over.
On a serious note, AI is scary. So many jobs can and probably will be lost due to it. Instead of going to school to become a graphic artist, you’d be better off learning a trade.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
The issue with AI is that at the end of the day the execs make the decisions, and to a soulless CEO, the possibility of using AI to replace writers, voice actors and coders is a lot more interesting and money saving, than using it to create more fleshed out and realistic characters in an RPG.
crackajack
Member
If AI truly becomes AI in the sense of the word, beyond the buzzword it kinda still is, and with the advancements in robotics, no job is truly safe forever. Anyone working on computers right now is prime candidate for extinction but also physical human labor might only survive because a human life might be much cheaper than a high tech robot that kinda inevitably will be able to do the very same stuff. Kinda like third world people working today in terrible conditions and doing stuff that would be done in the west by a machine but is there still cheaper done by those slaves.
LazyParrot
Member
You're making it sound like writers can just write whatever they want. In the end all that stuff gets run by the higher-ups and if they're not cool with it you won't see it in the final game.Except when generating something people ask the prompt. No need to hire a person anymore whose contribution would be writing a story about Gen Z in debt fighting mexican crime syndicates and telling bad jokes
All that shit is in there because studio and publisher executives want it to be there, and replacing the writers won't do shit to change that. AI isn't inherently un-woke. If someone wants an AI to come up with woke stories, it'll gladly deliver.
Topher
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I have to laugh at all the people who don't care a jot that people will be put out of work - as if AI won't affect their jobs at all ever.
I got in a conversation a few weeks ago with someone who couldn't see what the problem was with AI taking over in the entertainment industry. His job? Cost engineer for a construction firm
Mate… you push numbers about on a computer screen. You’re a prime candidate to get made obsolete by AI.
I bet quite a few of you who don’t seem to care are probably in jobs that AI can do too… This doesn’t stop at the door of Hollywood.
Seriously. We've got massive corporations making billions in profits but will lay off 10k in heartbeat without thinking twice. Anybody with a desk job should be conscious of where all of this is going. Next throw robotics into the mix......
It doesn't really change what he's saying. If they're going to make some generic crap anyway they might as well use AI.
graywolf323
Member
this comes off a lot like ten years ago when people were saying the exact same thing in defense of Microsoft’s always-online vision for the Xbox One
also you know what else AI could replace? gaming journalists
John Wick
Member
I highly doubt the writing and script that take 5 years to make.....
FunkMiller
Gold Member
It's crazy to me that people think the writers have the final say in what goes into a movie or TV show.
Topher
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
As long as the videogame industry keeps getting infiltrated by purple-haired woke wankers who care more about promoting terrorist-supporting BLM organizations than actually writing good quality entertaining stories, then I couldn't give a flying flaming fuck if they all they replaced.
They deserve to go for ruining beloved franchises like Saint's Row.
They deserve to go for ruining beloved franchises like Saint's Row.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
This is the end result of shitty woke DEI policies driving hiring practices, forcing companies to hire on the basis of irrelevant horseshit instead of actual competency.
Capitalist corporations wanting to make money will not continue suffering the economic losses that these shitty talentless hacks keep delivering, so they'll eventually get rid of all humans writers... can't discriminate against human minorities if you don't hire any humans
Capitalist corporations wanting to make money will not continue suffering the economic losses that these shitty talentless hacks keep delivering, so they'll eventually get rid of all humans writers... can't discriminate against human minorities if you don't hire any humans
John Wick
Member
I think AI could definitely make a better president for the US. Even the dumbest AI would be an improvement over sleepy Joe
genesisblock
Member
Power of the cloud 2.0. In all seriousness, I only see AI shining in user engagement via steaming a-la horror titles. Other than that, I only see a novelty of this.
Roberts
Member
Ai won’t replace main story writing or even side quest stuff until we are alive. Future generations might not give a shit but we do. I think they could totally use AI to write lines for non-essential NPCs that usually have a few lines that they keep on repeating. Also, their dialogue is most likely written by interns anyway.
marjo
Member
AI is a tool, and like all tools, it needs to be weilded properly to be effective. The net result should be a massive increase in productivity in numerous areas which, ideally, could be a positive for society so long as the benefits are equitably distributed. Things like shorter work weeks and more vacation time could very well be the result, freeing people to pursue their passions.
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Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
You're not serious? You have to be trolling, right? Even Sony and Nintendo will be on the A.I. bandwagon.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
This is false. Game development and film are very similar - close cousins, I think is the saying...
Roxkis_ii
Member
Yeah, even I have to agree. MS is the first, but they won't be the last. You can't compete with human greed.
Lmao at your tag!
Pelta88
Member
How the fuck did you extrapolate "Woke" from a thread about AI taking over writers jobs?
Microsoft's greed leading to them cutting corners creatively? Sure. AI's glaring limitations? Ok, cool. But the mental backflips you've done in order to find "Woke" issues in a dispute about AI, seems like some type of inner frustration. Respectfully...
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WitchHunter
Banned
Procedural things never really worked without the human creative sauce. Why would I want to spend even more time in a game? Baldur's Gate 3 was 250 hours long and they only had 50 hour or so content that was really polished and enjoyable. Fuck it, I would've been delighted if it was only that long. AAA games are already too long. And if half the user base gets to the end, then that's already a miracle. Now why the holy friggin fuck do you want more fake interaction enabled by an AI assistant planted into NPCs? You have to draw the line somewhere, things must have an end. The less people spend their precious time in a WoW like neverending story, the better. I vote for more quality experience, 20-40 hour max gameplay, with rollercoaster like up n downs, than a flat, boring, repetitive slugfest stretched over 100+ hours.