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[ResurrectedContrarian]

The thing is, it's increasingly reaching the point where one guy or a tiny team of friends could create a high-level game on their own (AI generating all the assets, dialog, etc), where the human element is just to guide the idea like a director and make the whole project compelling.

And that doesn't sound so bad... if anything, going back to tiny teams or single-dev visions sounds much better than the current approach where it requires the funding of a giant corporation and therefore every project looks like the product of committee work in the end.

MS won't help in this area, to be sure, but AI might lead in the right direction eventually.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Devs:

Seriously, what did you expect.

 

[RickMasters]

It depends. Before the invention of machines, you had multiple people pull the blocks in order to lift buildings...But those jobs disappeared.

Or….. they learned to use those cranes. AI is not going anywhere and it will change everything. We just have to learn to adapt in the new world. I work in music and we have been using plug ins with AI mixing tools for years. Now you have AI that write a whole song. AI that can draw whole pictures and shade and colour aswell as any post grad art student… and better than those who are below a certain level of talent…


Just as I say to musician to be on top of their game so should graphics artists and writers. It’s funny because we already accused the writing and the caharacters in games as lacking soul and human nuance….. and that was without the intervention of AI….. so now… perhaps truly great writing and character development is what will set great artists and writers and actors a apart from their AI alternatives.


In other words… they better ‘git gud’

 

[graywolf323]

Eh who do you think trains those AI’s?

yep exactly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/16/chatgpt-ai-political-bias-research/

 

[Elder Legend]

Dang. Good thing I am an engineer. I still have use compared to all these useless intellectual workers with fake jobs
/s

I wouldn't let you engineer anything with a 10 foot pole. Probably will break the next day.

 

[Bkdk]

Fuck these so called game devs, the AI will let most people make at least some mods for games way easier, it allows nearly anyone to be entry level art designer for games. If their jobs could be so easily replaced by AI, they really don't deserve to be in this field. AI could only replace the most entry level of art designers.

 

[rofif]

I wouldn't let you engineer anything with a 10 foot pole. Probably will break the next day.

There is a high probability you already use my products lol and I work here for over 10 years lol.
I can't clarify too much though

 

[64bitmodels]

Humanity will lose touch with its artistic side. We'll become emotionless husks begging to consume whatever the AI throws at us

"But at least those woke feminist sjw writers don't have a job anymore!!"

 

[RickMasters]

This is false. Game development and film are very similar - close cousins, I think is the saying...

I think most great directors disagree. Writing in games is still not quite there yet…

defend what, in your brain is the only application for AI in game development taking artists and voice actors places?

Machine Learning gets used in a shit ton of 3rd party solutions already, just because they call it AI now instead now there's "Defenders" and some sort of altruistic battle of good and evil.

ignore them. Sometimes people need a conspiracy to rally and crusade against. They are not like this in real life when they log out of the gaf. They protest on here. Nowhere else. And anybody who disagrees with them is satisfying their need for an enemy to fight. It’s the definition of keyboard warrior. Ignore them.

 

[Elder Legend]

There is a high probability you already use my products lol and I work here for over 10 years lol.
I can't clarify too much though

I don't see any Forspoken stickers on them though. So most likely not.

 

[rofif]

I don't see any Forspoken stickers on them though. So most likely not.

That's not it. I got all forspoken merch on me.
Where are you from? I will tell you if you are safe from my influence

 

[Elder Legend]

I am in the USA South Florida surrounded by beautiful Spanish hot mamas, amazing governor and luxury vehicles. You?

 

[rofif]

I am in the USA South Florida surrounded by beautiful Spanish hot mamas, amazing governor and luxury vehicles. You?

Consider yourself lucky. We work in other states though so it's just a matter of time.
I live in North Poland. Beautiful(bum ugly) small town, Baltic sea of acid just around the corner, Polish hot (not)mama and crappy 2008 hyundai. Poland is still catching up when it comes to salaries yikes.

 

[Disco Dave]

Can the writers not just identify as A.I?

 

[Danknugz]

maybe if game developers had defeated the uncanny valley and put actual work into making believeable realistic characters instead of rehashing used assets and code and making millions off copy paste i would understand.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Rami Ismael is a giant douche. Anything that is pissing him and resetera off must be a good thing.

 

[Ozriel]

How the fuck did you extrapolate "Woke" from a thread about AI taking over writers jobs?

Microsoft's greed leading to them cutting corners creatively? Sure. AI's glaring limitations? Ok, cool. But the mental backflips you've done in order to find "Woke" issues in a dispute about AI, seems like some type of inner frustration. Respectfully...

How are they ‘cutting corners creatively’ by providing dev tools to developers?

talk about spin and mental backflips…

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

How the fuck did you extrapolate "Woke" from a thread about AI taking over writers jobs?

Microsoft's greed leading to them cutting corners creatively? Sure. AI's glaring limitations? Ok, cool. But the mental backflips you've done in order to find "Woke" issues in a dispute about AI, seems like some type of inner frustration. Respectfully...

I understand what they're saying here.

Gaming writers are already in tension with players today--there is a growing sense among a visible subset of players that companies tend to employ writers with interests and agendas that have no place nor benefit to gaming as a medium, but simply make the corporate heads happy with checking some diversity or political boxes.

So when a story reports that new technology might kill some of those writer jobs--right when most of us are starting to feel that most AAA+ game writers have absolutely nothing of value to contribute, and tend to make our games tangibly worse as a rule--it's understandable that the response is "screw them."

 

[cyberheater]

I think future humans will look back at this time in dismay and wonder how we could have been so stupid to allow the A.I tsunami to roll over the world and decimate our jobs.
Folks that think this is hyperbole have no idea what’s coming.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

I think future humans will look back at this time in dismay and wonder how we could have been so stupid to allow the A.I tsunami to roll over the world and decimate our jobs.
Folks that think this is hyperbole have no idea what’s coming.

This is also true.

Right now, each time AI threatens to take over a new domain of work, those outside that profession laugh and go straight to mockery. We all do it a little.

But sooner or later, it's coming for nearly all jobs.

 

[Jetpac]

Procedural things never really worked without the human creative sauce. Why would I want to spend even more time in a game? Baldur's Gate 3 was 250 hours long and they only had 50 hour or so content that was really polished and enjoyable. Fuck it, I would've been delighted if it was only that long. AAA games are already too long. And if half the user base gets to the end, then that's already a miracle. Now why the holy friggin fuck do you want more fake interaction enabled by an AI assistant planted into NPCs? You have to draw the line somewhere, things must have an end. The less people spend their precious time in a WoW like neverending story, the better. I vote for more quality experience, 20-40 hour max gameplay, with rollercoaster like up n downs, than a flat, boring, repetitive slugfest stretched over 100+ hours.

We can agree to disagree, I played through BG3 three times to experience different things and each play through was amazing. As technology advances i’d love to be able to have a never ending story for my favorite RPGs….

 

[NickFire]

I think future humans will look back at this time in dismay and wonder how we could have been so stupid to allow the A.I tsunami to roll over the world and decimate our jobs.
Folks that think this is hyperbole have no idea what’s coming.

Complete agreement. Same argument applies to consolidation, and not just in video game world.

But unless they were publicly opposed to most recent giant acquisitions, its hard for me to feel bad for anyone related to game development who gets replaced if I'm being honest. So many fools cheered on consolidation and now its even easier to replace them all in one fell swoop. Good luck finding new work when there aren't as many employers. Hope those stock options or crumbs were worth it.

 

[March Climber]

I understand what they're saying here.

Gaming writers are already in tension with players today--there is a growing sense among a visible subset of players that companies tend to employ writers with interests and agendas that have no place nor benefit to gaming as a medium, but simply make the corporate heads happy with checking some diversity or political boxes.

So when a story reports that new technology might kill some of those writer jobs--right when most of us are starting to feel that most AAA+ game writers have absolutely nothing of value to contribute, and tend to make our games tangibly worse as a rule--it's understandable that the response is "screw them."

This post just summed up around 80% of this reactionary thread.

I've always been pro-AI, but there's too many here who flip-flop in opinion based on which side of the fence particular groups are on or which youtube ranter they've been listening to. Barely anyone here is actually thinking past that point because they just want to dunk on others. It's hilarious and sad to see at the same time.

 

[Edmund]

I'm a piano teacher and if my job gets replaced by AI, I don't know what else to do. Maybe I'd become a prostitute or something. Don't think AI can replace me if I become a whore.

 

[March Climber]

I'm a piano teacher and if my job gets replaced by AI, I don't know what else to do. Maybe I'd become a prostitute or something. Don't think AI can replace me if I become a whore.

Parts of asia are working hard on this issue too.





Don't worry, the hardware teams are working just as diligently as the software teams to bring about this future to all of us.

 

[Jigsaah]

It's inevitable. AI is gonna take over at some point in the future. Better to get behind it and educate yourself in it's use, rather than rally against it as if you can actually prevent it's coming.

 

[Ammogeddon]

I expect the trajectory of ai adoption in the game industry to be higher than many other industries. There are obvious roles for it but I wouldn’t like to see it overused in story writing or artistic design.

 

[64bitmodels]

And that doesn't sound so bad... if anything, going back to tiny teams or single-dev visions sounds much better than the current approach where it requires the funding of a giant corporation and therefore every project looks like the product of committee work in the end.

we have this ability already and many indie devs have been able to make AAA visual scale projects without the help of any AI- Unreal Engine 5 is brimming with tools to easily make AAA quality gigantic games. And yet, many Indie devs choose to still go with more simplistic artstyles and less ambitious projects. I don't think AI will make indie on the level with AAA.

Parts of asia are working hard on this issue too.





Don't worry, the hardware teams are working just as diligently as the software teams to bring about this future to all of us.

If you build and program the robots you control the robots. Your job can never be replaced then.

jokes aside, yeah i figured that sexual reasons would be one of the very first areas where actual robots would come into play. It was one of the driving forces of the internet afterall, easy and quick access to porn.

 

[iHaunter]

The real question is, how can the games get any worse? Starfield looks like it was already made with AI. Based on the writing, dialogue, and animations.

 

[Skifi28]

It's always interesting seeing humanity trying to destroy itself. Corporations will soon start replacing everyone with AI in order to reduce expenses and eventually will implode because unemployment is too high and nobody buys stuff anymore. It will be quite the problem to solve.

 

[Esca]

With how it's going with a.i. there is another side to look at, imagine being able to make a game exactly to what you want in it. Could become really cool to be able to have your dream games made by you with a.i.

 

[Wildebeest]

I don't see how the writing in games could get any worse.

 

[semiconscious]

the primary mission of all tech-related industries is, & always has been, self-automation. it's simply the nature of the beast...

 

[64bitmodels]

The real question is, how can the games get any worse? Starfield looks like it was already made with AI. Based on the writing, dialogue, and animations.

Starfield is one of the few games you can name from this year that was considered by many to be a major disappointment. Besides junk like Redfall, Forspoken, gollum and that ape game.

These people always talking about how bad AAA games are and how AI wouldn't make much of a difference... in one of the best gaming years of the past 10 years.

 

[Viking Warrior]

What worries me is how long it will take to make more and more jobs obsolete?
Artists, Writers, Programmers, QA, Admin, Sales, Purchasing, Controlling, Accounting,…
If AI replaces the need for human workers across the board, what will be left for us to do and how can we afford the products the corporations are producing?

You will own nothing,even the clothes on your back will not belong to you,if you are IN THE SYSTEM,all will be provided to you.

 

[Danknugz]

The real question is, how can the games get any worse? Starfield looks like it was already made with AI. Based on the writing, dialogue, and animations.

it's kind of unfair because i'm sure there are some devs out there who do have unique, authentic ideas. but they're drowned out by all the copy paste and biting of ideas, people making millions off corny little mobile games with no artistic integrity and bleeding parents pockets dry with predatory micro transactions aimed at kids.

 

[recursive]

That's just one industry you're thinking about too, pretty much every industry is going to be affected. First up will be the creative roles, I expect but it'll expand it's reach quickly.

If I was a parent of a teenager who was weighing up their options of what to study, if they mentioned studying art or design, I'd be asking myself if it was responsible to let them go study to gain skills that over the next few years will become something that fewer and fewer people will be prepared to pay for.

I think the ones to get hammered first will be customer service. Why outsource to India if you can have a computer do it?

 

[Gambit2483]

The Subscription service factorization of gaming has begun. Xbox will soon start treating games as a commodity to be produced and pumped out to keep Gamepass numbers up...ugh.

The end is nigh.

 

[64bitmodels]

What worries me is how long it will take to make more and more jobs obsolete?
Artists, Writers, Programmers, QA, Admin, Sales, Purchasing, Controlling, Accounting,…
If AI replaces the need for human workers across the board, what will be left for us to do and how can we afford the products the corporations are producing?

UBI will get implemented, youll get paid 1000 a month when you need far more than that to live, and everything will either drop in price, or you will be able to afford virtually nothing. It'll be like a third wold country.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I think the ones to get hammered first will be customer service. Why outsource to India if you can have a computer do it?

Well, you're right and that's already happening, I've personally used websites that have triaged customer service questions with chatbots.

I would argue that people actually want to talk to a human and have their complaint dealt with and AI doesn't replicate that experience at the moment.

Getting AI to make me a logo or write some NPC dialogue? The process might be different to some degree but the output is the same, arguably.

 

[Fafalada]

Humanoid robots and general autonomous robots will be around in a. Fairly short amount of time.

It'll take orders of magnitude longer than scaling virtual AI agents, and it'll always be less cost effective.

It depends. Before the invention of machines, you had multiple people pull the blocks in order to lift buildings...But those jobs disappeared.

Everything is ultimately replaceable - I was comparing the time-scales.
The threat to 'white collar' jobs is significantly more immediate, and displacement possibility is at scales and rates that mechanical replacement can't even come close to.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Starfield written by AI would make sense.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

An AI just negotiated a contract for the first time ever — and no human was involved

Jaeger Glucina, chief of staff and managing director of Luminance, said its new AI aimed to eliminate much of the paperwork that lawyers need to complete.

www.cnbc.com

This is happening no matter what

 

[Toons]

And this thread pretty much proves that some idiots will welcome it and support corporations getting ever stronger so long as the game doesn't have them guys in it or whatever else is the trend to complain about.

Sigh.. in some ways they've already won

 

[Toons]

That's just one industry you're thinking about too, pretty much every industry is going to be affected. First up will be the creative roles, I expect but it'll expand it's reach quickly.

If I was a parent of a teenager who was weighing up their options of what to study, if they mentioned studying art or design, I'd be asking myself if it was responsible to let them go study to gain skills that over the next few years will become something that fewer and fewer people will be prepared to pay for.

If she's a true artists she isn't in it for the money.

 

[OuterLimits]

The odds of next Elder Scrolls having a decent plot and interesting side stories has risen somewhat because of this news.

 

[reinking]

Parts of asia are working hard on this issue too.





Don't worry, the hardware teams are working just as diligently as the software teams to bring about this future to all of us.

Oopsie

 

[Gambit2483]

Oopsie

What a horrible "accident"...

 

[Raven77]

Pandora's box is open. Ai isn't going away, it's going everywhere.

The world as we know it will be remarkably changed in the next 10 years.

Example 1: November 1, 2029 - Warner Brothers announces all new ways to enjoy your favorite movies! You can now watch the entire Harry Potter movie series in exciting new ways. 3D Animated, Anime, Traditional 2D Animation, and many more! Just pick your desired style and watch your favorite movies magically transform!

Example 2: May 15, 2033 - Microsoft and Apple partner to bring you iGen. A whole new way to watch and listen to your favorite movies, TV shows, and music. Watch The Lord of the Rings but directed by Steven Spielberg. Want to swap out an actor for your favorite? Do it! 25 year old Tom Cruise as Legolas? Sure! Tom Cruise playing EVERY character? Why not!? While you're at it, see what happens if Sauron wasn't defeated by Isildir, or have the Deceptions invade Middle Earth. The possibilities are truly endless!

Entertainment will never be the same.

 

[Elder Legend]

Polyphony is already implementing A.I.


the issue here is that MS is pushing A.I. in the same vein as Open A.I, Midjourney, Nvidia, Google...from a "Big Tech" perspective.

How is that an issue? Do you want the next revolutionary step in gaming? Or do you want play and experience same shit until you are on the your deathbed? AI is the next revolutionary step for gaming. Thank God MS is pushing it.

Get the fuck out of here with your console war bullshit.