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Xbox Wants Out of the Console War - (IGN Next-Gen Console Watch Podcast)
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nemiroff
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We haven't won enough until virtually all games become multiplatform and liberated from walled garden restrictions. Luckily also Sony is on the move with more and more PC releases, so they'll get there eventually.
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RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Can we make 6 threads from this guys? Let’s go.
Banjo64
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Mibu no ookami
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"Does that mean we have to stop doing the show then? I hope not, this is fun."
Said seemingly in jest, but this is the real feelings of the media. Entirely focused on console wars for clicks and views instead of just talking about games and gaming.
They were already in trouble financially and it is only going to get worse now that they'll need to focus more on straight journalism. You can see them pivoting to PC but I seriously doubt the pivot will work.
Said seemingly in jest, but this is the real feelings of the media. Entirely focused on console wars for clicks and views instead of just talking about games and gaming.
They were already in trouble financially and it is only going to get worse now that they'll need to focus more on straight journalism. You can see them pivoting to PC but I seriously doubt the pivot will work.
laynelane
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Unknown Soldier
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If Avowed can have 6 threads, so can this!
saintjules
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If PS5 Pro plays 3rd party games better than the Series X, I see no reason to continue there other than Gamepass.
The Pleasure
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Yes, 2400 retail for a new nvidia card or 1000 or so for used leavins. Such a money saver.
Unknown?
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It's a start though and once Windows isn't needed to game on PC, we will be triumphant. Down with proprietary!
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RetroGamingUK
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ftfy
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YeulEmeralda
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Nobody's coming home son.
kazuyamishima
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Xbox and PCMid-Range Shills: “Fuck Sony, buy a PC, is the Future”
Jensen:
Jensen:
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XXL
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RetroGamingUK
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PlayStation vs Switch vs PC is quite interesting, 3 very different types of systems.
Far more interesting than Dreamcast vs PS2 vs GameCube vs Xbox where you had 4 boxes that all pretty much did the same thing, even if it was my fondest generation.
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Skifi28
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No matter how many times Phil breaks their hearts, they'll be there for him. Isn't that sweet.
nemiroff
Gold Member
Well, if the geo-news continues to head in the direction they are right now, Linux may be finally getting its fabled boost.
GHG
Gold Member
It's so funny that they couldn't have chosen a worse time to make this the narrative.
One has to ask, why didn't this narrative begin when it was already announced every single Xbox release would be coming to PC day one and you could easily pick up a 980ti for $650. Instead they choose now, when the PC building hardware space is an absolute shit show.
But yet, these idiots don't ask themselves what's actually changed from an Xbox perspective since 2015, because I can tell you first hand that absolutely nothing has. PC was the best place to play Xbox games then, and it still is now, but they had to wait for daddy Phil to tell them in order for them to realise.
At this point it's comical, everything these shills touch goes to shit or has already gone to shit. Jensen and Co have made it so that this narrative will fall flat on its face right out of the gate.
bitbydeath
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EverydayBeast
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What time is it?
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ChorizoPicozo
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monkeys have a better and more insightful conversation
Mibu no ookami
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This is one of the saltiest videos I've ever seen in my life... Beyond cringey.
James Sawyer Ford
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Hi Ryan
I can only afford one Xbox
I’ve made it my PS5. PCs aren’t consoles
Love the tears though
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nowhat
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Stockholm syndrome isn't just a meme.
Stockholm syndrome | Definition, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
Stockholm syndrome, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands. The most infamous example of Stockholm syndrome may be that involving kidnapped newspaper heiress Patty Hearst in 1974.
www.britannica.com
Remember how this started tho, MS bought Acti for "mobile" and to keep away COD, the biggest game every year and "spend Sony out of the market"
GP didn't work how they planned it and papa Satya cut Phil's credit card extension so he can no longer expend "muh MS money chest" in his war against Sony
"we" didn't win anything yet, nothing has changed, all Acti-Bliz+Bethesda games have to release on PS as they used to for logical monetary reasons, there wasn't any improvement because or thanks to the MS purchase yet
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LordCBH
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“If you can only afford one console, buy a PC.l
Ryan. Buddy. Idiot. If you can only afford one console just buy a console. Cause a $500 pc just isn’t a good investment.
PauloRoberto
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I believe there is no bad loser like MS... for more than 10 years, every strategy they tried to gain market share backfired (which can happen, why not?), but they NEED to convince someone (them selves?) that they are victorius... it's a mental disease, there is no other explanation (and im inclusing some users from here)
kazuyamishima
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They really have twisted shu’s words:
HeisenbergFX4
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Most sides losing a war do want out of said war
S0ULZB0URNE
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I am interested in how they function as just being a 3rd party not having to worry about hardware.
Edit: IF they stay and don't sell off the brand.
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nemiroff
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Console hardware will also eventually need to cope with the root causes of this. The reality is that physics (heat, quantum tunneling, silicone...) is forcing Moore, Nvidia and AMD to scrape the bottom of the silicone barrel. AMD kinda giving up the high-end race, and Nvidia doing the arrogant pricing is just the canary in the coal mine. Idk what will save us, AI or quantum, new materials, who knows. Nothing seems mature enough at this stage..
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I hope you're a 12 year old, cause your assessment of the current situation is really, really stupid.
Having Xbox out of the race only hurts consumers, Sony has already been making some fucking stupid shit lately, can't imagine what they will do when MS pull their HW completely.
Synastry
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You know with the stuff I seen from that side it makes me wanna buy a switch 2 coming up to go alone side my ps5 it'll be my first Nintendo system since 1994(SNES)
Angry_Megalodon
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Microsoft's strategies provoked part of the stupid shit Sony has been doing. Competition is good as long as one of the big actors doesn't change the rules in a way that makes the market worse for everyone.
XBOX was a good competitor in the 360 era, but not in this one.
nowhat
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I had a 360. Other than it sounding like an airport, and the controller having an atrocious D-pad (you can basically forget about double taps in Tekken), it was a great console.
Since then, I've had no incentive to get a new Xbox. This is not due to competition. Just purely Microsoft and what they're willing to put on offer (or lack thereof).
Rambone
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PC has the least amount of compromises for me, however my 3080TI is a noisy bitch and it often turns me off from gaming on my PC. I made the mistake and picked up a Alienware Aurora R13 a few years ago and from my understanding it has pretty poor thermal mitigation and the Dell neutered 3080TI is a loud mofo.
Console gaming on my Series X or PS5/Pro has been a great escape from that noise with their near whisper quiet fans under load. I find myself playing on my consoles more because of it despite greater compromises with graphical fidelity and frames.
The only real thing that has pissed me off about Microsoft (series) consoles this generation is Microsoft not releasing their new Sebile controller early on to have parity with the PS5 controller AND Microsoft dropping exclusives which was my primary reason for picking the console up. I'm debating on upgrading my Series X to the next generation of Microsoft console when it comes out. My justification at this point to upgrade to the next gen of Xbox would be to avoid the situation where the internal SSD dies on the series x console resulting in the whole damn thing being bricked. M$ is pretty good about backwards compatibility so I can be rest assured my 360, Xbox one library will be safe and the very few Series games I own. I haven't purchased very many games on Xbox this generation due to gamepass and preference to playing on the PS5 due to the controller tipping the scale for me. PS5 Pro has pretty much sealed the deal in me never buying a Xbox version of a game for the remainder of the generation.
Console gaming on my Series X or PS5/Pro has been a great escape from that noise with their near whisper quiet fans under load. I find myself playing on my consoles more because of it despite greater compromises with graphical fidelity and frames.
The only real thing that has pissed me off about Microsoft (series) consoles this generation is Microsoft not releasing their new Sebile controller early on to have parity with the PS5 controller AND Microsoft dropping exclusives which was my primary reason for picking the console up. I'm debating on upgrading my Series X to the next generation of Microsoft console when it comes out. My justification at this point to upgrade to the next gen of Xbox would be to avoid the situation where the internal SSD dies on the series x console resulting in the whole damn thing being bricked. M$ is pretty good about backwards compatibility so I can be rest assured my 360, Xbox one library will be safe and the very few Series games I own. I haven't purchased very many games on Xbox this generation due to gamepass and preference to playing on the PS5 due to the controller tipping the scale for me. PS5 Pro has pretty much sealed the deal in me never buying a Xbox version of a game for the remainder of the generation.
nemiroff
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How do you think PlayStation would look without a certain pressure from Xbox after the 360. Advancements in graphics, processing power, online services, controllers... software, usability, price... Do you think the Playstation user experince would be the same as now?
It's a rhetorical question btw, we all know what the correct answer is.
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ZehDon
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They're the world's largest third party publisher - they're already out of the console wars, and hardware is clearly a side hustle for them.
The Microsoft Corporation's concerted efforts over the last decade have been around "open platforms" - for example, getting their direct MS store onto Android and iPhone - and I suspect this will be their focus next. If everything is an Xbox, Microsoft doesn't have to pay platform fees, or go through the pain of trying to push hardware. They couldn't sell phones, and now they can't sell consoles, so they're flipping the table. Getting open stores into the console space makes the most sense because then Sony is forced to open their platform - and Microsoft can sell Game Pass subs, games, and whatever else directly to their customers and not pay any the platform holder fees. In that scenario, it doesn't matter who sells what hardware: the platform itself isn't what generates the profits anymore.
The Microsoft Corporation's concerted efforts over the last decade have been around "open platforms" - for example, getting their direct MS store onto Android and iPhone - and I suspect this will be their focus next. If everything is an Xbox, Microsoft doesn't have to pay platform fees, or go through the pain of trying to push hardware. They couldn't sell phones, and now they can't sell consoles, so they're flipping the table. Getting open stores into the console space makes the most sense because then Sony is forced to open their platform - and Microsoft can sell Game Pass subs, games, and whatever else directly to their customers and not pay any the platform holder fees. In that scenario, it doesn't matter who sells what hardware: the platform itself isn't what generates the profits anymore.
Astray
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Not necessarily, consoles are planned centrally by their platform owner (Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo), which means they can find improvements and optimizations of existing tech that PCs by definition can't, and they can enforce their usage across the board.
Example: Sony has proprietary compression hardware tech (Kraken), which not only improved the CPU's performance (because it has been freed from the decompression tasks and can focus on other perf aspects), but it also reduced game file size considerably vs competing consoles and PC.
Does this tech have no match in the PC world? It does (I believe that's Microsoft's Direct Storage), but it's basically impossible to get all the software and hardware players in the PC arena to agree on them and start shipping anything with any level of coordination, look at how hard it is to get a unified RGB control software standard going!
Now start applying this to every minute aspect of how computers work and you will see what I mean.
Rusty Shackelford
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Plot twist:
MS releases everything they develop/publish/own on next-gen Xbox and PC only. This includes all Activision titles.
MS releases everything they develop/publish/own on next-gen Xbox and PC only. This includes all Activision titles.
Fake
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EverydayBeast
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Hope full their pc ports start getting better because they have yet to launch a port that has run well on day 1.
Astray
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This would be the fastest way for Phil Spencer to get fired lol.
Rusty Shackelford
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And he'd get his massive severance and retire.