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Xbox Wants Out of the Console War - (IGN Next-Gen Console Watch Podcast)
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James Sawyer Ford
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I love how these shills always default to the position that "Oh, Microsoft, they couldn't do anything after they lost the Xbox One era, it was all just completely pre-ordained that it would fail after that", nevermind the fact that Nintendo had no issue turning things around. Phil had an entire generation of the Xbox One to prepare his studios to release great games day 1 on the Xbox Series launch, and he completely shit the bed. We wouldn't be talking about this if Halo Infinite was a day 1 title that actually lived up to the expectations of the series during the 360 era.
It's also hilarious hearing these shills cry about "arrogant Sony" and how "Xbox has been releasing so many great games now" (I mean, really? What great games?). None of the supposed "great games" came from any of the original Xbox studios, other than perhaps Forza Horizon a few years ago. Hellblade was a flop, Avowed is a flop, Indiana Jones is a flop. And of these recent games, arguably only one of them is actually somewhat decent and that's Indiana Jones. Where are the supposed amazing games that Microsoft is allegedly cultivating? Doom was never theirs. Outer Wilds was never theirs. CoD was never theirs. Are they supposed to get credit for a great lineup of traditional third party titles that were always going to come to playstation in the past? It's not like there's that many of them released either.
It's also hilarious hearing these shills cry about "arrogant Sony" and how "Xbox has been releasing so many great games now" (I mean, really? What great games?). None of the supposed "great games" came from any of the original Xbox studios, other than perhaps Forza Horizon a few years ago. Hellblade was a flop, Avowed is a flop, Indiana Jones is a flop. And of these recent games, arguably only one of them is actually somewhat decent and that's Indiana Jones. Where are the supposed amazing games that Microsoft is allegedly cultivating? Doom was never theirs. Outer Wilds was never theirs. CoD was never theirs. Are they supposed to get credit for a great lineup of traditional third party titles that were always going to come to playstation in the past? It's not like there's that many of them released either.
reinking
Gold Member
Weird you throw this in a thread where you are saying Sony needs Microsoft to stay in the console space for competition or else Sony will become anti-consumer.
laynelane
Member
I remember "some gamers" thought Sony was anti-consumer for not having a Game Pass equivalent - this was back when the $1 subs were running rampant.
The refund policy irks me, but my solution is to buy physical and skip the PS store entirely. Other than that, a lot of the anti-consumer complaints about Sony come across as simple criticism - which is valid, but adding that term to criticism doesn't make it accurate - ie. anti-consumer.
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bender
What time is it?
And who introduced that practice?
OuterLimits
Member
Not weird at all. All of them can be anti consumer at the same time sadly. Unfortunately they followed Microsoft in the anti consumer camp on this. However, like I pointed out earlier, Sony is anti consumer on the digital game aspect since you only have the PS Store as an option compared to Switch/Xbox.
Microsoft being stupidly anti consumer on the XboxOne launch hurt them immensely and Sony wisely took advantage. Heck, I switched from 360 to PS4 because of that.
Competition is a great thing for consumers. I think only having a PS6 next gen as the traditional console option isn't a good thing. Plus I imagine the PS6 gen will last a super long time. What is their incentive to worry about the next generation when they are the only game in town. It will be 18+ years before Nintendo will release a portable somewhat close to a PS6.
reinking
Gold Member
Competition is good for consumers but not always great. You bring up going to PS4 because MS stupidly was going anti-consumer. Do you realize Microsoft eventually got what they wanted? We are mostly digital and consoles are always online. Is this the company that is saving us from evil Sony? Microsoft has brought some great things to gaming but they have also introduced some negative practices.
I know you do not agree the Switch is a console but at minimum it occupies enough space in that market to create competition for PlayStation. Sony has also made it clear that they view PC gaming as competition to PlayStation. Even without Nintendo and if Microsoft leaves the console market, I am not afraid of Sony because I believe at the end of the day, consumers will keep Sony in check. We can go back and forth about what that would look like but we just had a recent example with Concord where consumers made it clear they did not want that crap.
I have no control over what any of these companies do so I will continue to do what I have always done. I will give them money as long as they give me a product I find value in. The day they do not offer me that product is the day I move on and no longer give them my money. After all, these are entertainment products.
Rhazer Fusion
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The PS5 Pro Is So Expensive Due To A "Lack Of Competition", Says Analyst
With no real competition, Sony can charge what it likes for the PS5 Pro.
www.thegamer.com
Sorry, I meant analysts said the reason the PS5 Pro is high because of lack of competition and gamers were screaming anti-consumerism again so I listed it. Check out some of the PS5 Pro unveiling videos for example.
Microsoft doubled the price of Gamepass and there was backlash, therefore they changed it. There was backlash for the PSN price increase and Sony left the price the same.
You don’t have to buy the $10 upgrade, but don’t most XBOX games allow you to get next generation features for free?
Great point with the digital games and I said the same thing to people as well, but some gamers want to buy digital only and that’s when they said Sony has the strictest refund policy out of anyone. I wouldn’t really know because I typically buy physical when I can.
The other things I listed I think can definitely be debatable though.
Another example, I also remember people saying the $70 price increase of PlayStation games was anti-consumer as well. Could be debatable I think.
Again, this is the general consensus from some gamers and I was mostly quoting what gamers are saying and I added to some of them because I agree with some of them, but not all. I’m only the messenger. Admittedly some of these can apply to any of the big three because they all have their issues obviously. I’m not singling out Sony either. I have a feeling any of the big three would do questionable things or be really “confident” if they dominated the industry as well.
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Rambone
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Keyboard and mouse would be great with games like Civilization.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Exactly. People always bring up the fact that the PS5 can use a kb/m but without a real officially licensed kbm, I feel like developers don't really think to include KBM controls. Not every game would have to support it, but it should be an option and it's not like it requires a lot more support, the mapping is already there.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Agreed. Any device that plays video games is competing with Sony for gamers time and money.
That means Nintendo, Valve with the Steamdeck, PCs/Laptops, other handheld PCs etc are all competitors to PlayStation.
RetroGamingUK
Member
True, but not to the extent that Xbox was.
Quixz
Member
Exactly what I was thinking
James Sawyer Ford
Member
So much retardation in this quote from Ryan
If you want a console…that means you don’t want a PC
And if you can only afford one console….you also don’t want a PC
These clowns really showing their ass on this ridiculous logic
RetroGamingUK
Member
Remember, this is Microsoft’s marketing approach from now on.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I mean, Sony has backtracked on things too, or are we simply just pointing out when they don't? How many times have other companies not done so? Right. Pointless rabbit hole.The PS5 Pro Is So Expensive Due To A "Lack Of Competition", Says Analyst
With no real competition, Sony can charge what it likes for the PS5 Pro.
Sorry, I meant analysts said the reason the PS5 Pro is high because of lack of competition and gamers were screaming anti-consumerism again so I listed it. Check out some of the PS5 Pro unveiling videos for example.
Microsoft doubled the price of Gamepass and there was backlash, therefore they changed it. There was backlash for the PSN price increase and Sony left the price the same.
You don’t have to buy the $10 upgrade, but don’t most XBOX games allow you to get next generation features for free?
Great point with the digital games and I said the same thing to people as well, but some gamers want to buy digital only and that’s when they said Sony has the strictest refund policy out of anyone. I wouldn’t really know because I typically buy physical when I can.
The other things I listed I think can definitely be debatable though.
Another example, I also remember people saying the $70 price increase of PlayStation games was anti-consumer as well. Could be debatable I think.
Again, this is the general consensus from some gamers and I was mostly quoting what gamers are saying and I added to some of them because I agree with some of them, but not all. I’m only the messenger. Admittedly some of these can apply to any of the big three because they all have their issues obviously. I’m not singling out Sony either. I have a feeling any of the big three would do questionable things or be really “confident” if they dominated the industry as well.
In fact, why are we listening to the "general consensus from some gamers" (which makes no sense in and of itself)?
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GymWolf
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The dude who can't spot the difference between 720p and 1080p telling people to buy a pc because xbox failed is a new level of comedy gold.
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Sooner
Gold Member
Call of Duty player count drops 93%.
DenchDeckard
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I feel bad that soon the pcmr is going to be flooded with these losers and they'll probably tank that too.
Facts
Facts
jm89
Member
Don't be so hard on your self
Gorgon
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Horseganador
Member
NO, Xbox does not want to get out of the console war, they have thrown it out which is very very different, now it is time to change the narrative and put on the PC mask, with characters like Destin, Ryan, Colt, etc... we enjoy much more than what has happened, from completely supporting the idea of Xbox wanting to kick Sony out of the market based on purchases and exclusives to Xbox depending on selling its games on PS, karma.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
I don't understand why you green rats talk about Phil being able to retire rich like its some kind of win for you all.
Phil doesn't know you exist. Its a very odd thing to be proud of.
You don't see Sony or Nintendo fans talk about their execs retiring rich and beaming with pride like you green rats tend to do.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
You must be 12 because there was a time for decades when Ms wasn't in the console space. Somehow we still had games and choices. This whole narrative that gaming will fall apart without Xbox is absolutely bullshit.
Rambone
Member
I'm hoping Switch 2 with it's rumored mouse controls on the Joycon will help incentivize m&k controls in games and other consoles.
It does take some practice getting better with a controller when being used to M&K play. I will say though, when I do switch to M&K, at least with shooters, I do end up missing the rumble and haptic feedback of the controllers.
FrankWza
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I mean, shit, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight.” –
reinking
Gold Member
...because they were so safe and boring prior to 2001. Microsoft being in the market has nothing to do with safe Sony. They take fewer risks now due to environmental influences and chasing money.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Almost every single PnC adventure game I played on the PS4/5 had KB/M support, if they can do it, these RTS devs need to pick up their slack.
ResilientBanana
Member
False. Buy a PC and Nintendo.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Yeah but the original statement was if someone could only afford one console and that dipshit Ryan says to make it a PC which is silly because go buy yourself a $500 PC that includes a keyboard and mouse and see how much you enjoy it
Besides we have known for awhile the whole "just buy a PC" marching orders was coming even when MS didn't have an answer for the PS5 Pro
And sadly when Phil very first heard about the PS5 Pro and its specs they thought Sony was planning the Pro because it needed it to compete with the Series X
Because Ybarra and Phil (and a very closed group) knew about the PS5 Pro being in the planning stage before the PS5 or Xbox Series ever hit store shelves
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
How much you going to "buy" that PC for?
DeepEnigma
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DryvBy
Gold Member
Expect the Xbox console warriors to console warrior PC as a PCMR ninja. These people can't just enjoy games.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They already have been proxy warring for Nintendo on here the past year or two when they need ammo they don’t have against Sony.
It’s always ever been about Sony. Always.
The level of "journalists" on PC is much higher than the level of "console journalists" like IGN.
They have no chance of competing with Linus Tech tips in the "comedy" part and much less chance of competing with gamer nexus in the serious part.
This idiot Ryan is basically saying "build a PC and never open our website again because we don't know anything about PCs, we're dumb and licking Phill Spencer's cock"
When I played on PC, the average level of the "PC player" was much higher than Ryan or Phill Spencer.
Look at STEAM, it's the opposite of Phill Spencer... they don't say anything and do a lot.
noob smokes
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Then everyone will just buy a pc/xbox aint that what the ign dudes are sayin lol
Synastry
Member
I just witness that same thing over in the thread "Sony has become the second biggest company in Japan by market cap' I wont call out which user but its not hard to spot who.
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newtypepilot
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i'd argue xbox was never really in the console wars. They were always chasing the latest fads and having no clear directions.
FIrst you have kinect.
Then you have always online to "own the living room".
Then gamepass because everything needs to be a subscription.
Now, it's about AI bulshit since that's the trend right now.
They never focused on the games.
FIrst you have kinect.
Then you have always online to "own the living room".
Then gamepass because everything needs to be a subscription.
Now, it's about AI bulshit since that's the trend right now.
They never focused on the games.
SkylineRKR
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You can play every Xbox game on PC day one. With Playstation this isn't the case. More games have been ported over lately, but not all. And you have to wait. If you wanted to play something like Horizon 2 or Spiderman 2 day one, you needed a Playstation. For GT7 you still need a Playstation.
This is the whole thing. PC is a good choice if you happen to not care about PS Studios game day one, IF they come to PC at all. So there is still a valid reason to go console. Rather, you get the best of both worlds with both a PC and PS5 as PC will cover the entire Xbox library at possible higher settings and you can play the likes of FFVII R day one on PS.
This is the whole thing. PC is a good choice if you happen to not care about PS Studios game day one, IF they come to PC at all. So there is still a valid reason to go console. Rather, you get the best of both worlds with both a PC and PS5 as PC will cover the entire Xbox library at possible higher settings and you can play the likes of FFVII R day one on PS.
Zuzu
Member
Xbox is out of the console wars because they’ve been defeated not because they ideally want to be imo. They’ve been forced to take this pathway by their competitors and they put extra pressure on themselves due to Activision acquisition. If they could trade places with Nintendo or Sony they would do so in a heart beat. If Xbox was in Sony’s position I doubt you see them releasing their games on rival hardware other than PC.
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bender
What time is it?
FeralEcho
Member
Playstation fanboys in shambles...Who can they point fingers at now and deflect any Sony criticism when the usual "bu but Xbox is worse" is not going to work anymore. They are gonna have to come up with some A grade mental gymnastics for their "arguments" now. That or go blame Nintendo now.
Mr Moose
Member
MicroSoft.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Is that broccoli and Xbox?
bender
What time is it?
SkylineRKR
Member
100%
Remember Spencers stance during the X1 failure. He reached out to Sony for crossplay and all and gamers should be unified and whatnot. He was the good guy, and the competitor was egocentric.
Then, Series looked like a return to form for Xbox and he changed his tune. Tried to snatch away publishers and keep them locked to the Xbox ecosystem. This was absolutely their initial idea, seeing as how Starfield, Redfall etc all were locked to Xbox and they were incredibly vague about it (case by case basis etc). And then the following CoD negotiations. Truth is, we saw the actual picture once the factory and stock problems were sorted out; Xbox sold like shit and barely grew to a significant share. They won't sell more than 5 million systems in a year world wide, so they will likely hit a cap of about 40 million.
Then you have with especially ABK simply a publisher that punches above your weight. There is no way to keep their content locked to the Xbox console, despite PC. They estimated they lost 10 million sales on Starfield alone.