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After the whole drama, will you play Avowed?
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Brigandier
Gold Member
FunkMiller
Member
Hogwarts legacy with they/them pronouns was one of your best games ever and your GOTY, but Avowed with a pronoun toggle is ‘ramming it down your throat’?
Mods.... Please ban Ozriel. He's guilty of murder.
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Come On Tars
Member
Too many good games to play. I’ll take any reason to dismiss one from my list. This is an EZ nope
Haint
Member
Slightly hyperbolic, but yes. Neogaf as a subset is a deeply invested clientele, and an overwhelming majority of them who can and do interface with the Xbox platform are very likely regular Gamepass customers.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Believe it or not I was actually open to giving this a try, even with some woke stuff in there. However, after seeing this design guy's X profile and posts, I no longer feel like doing so. Maybe when it's 3 EUR on a steam sale.
genesisblock
Member
I'm of an independent mindset that makes decisions based on data. Whether it be reviews or post-impressions will sway me either direction. However, with a huge backlog plus multiple games on the horizon, such negativity will most definitely drop down in my list of priorities. I'm sure the same will be said for a lot of gamers.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
I can’t see it on my Xbox Pro, Phil told me it was an Xbox but I can’t see it available to wishlist on PSN?
What’s the deal here?
What’s the deal here?
Chukhopops
Member
Can’t imagine passing out on an Obsidian game because of something so trivial.
Pillars 2 would be considered a wokefest today and it’s amazing, not to mention BG3.
Pillars 2 would be considered a wokefest today and it’s amazing, not to mention BG3.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
That's the really old footage that people complained about the combat. They literally went back and reworked the combat.
Every preview says it feels great to play that I've watched.
The Internet is pulling up old videos to do their hit campaign.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Eh it pretty much was considered that when it got released iirc.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Have you checked on your Xbox Windows? I think it's available on Xbox SteamI can’t see it on my Xbox Pro, Phil told me it was an Xbox but I can’t see it available to wishlist on PSN?
What’s the deal here?
I looked and it wasn't on my Xbox Switch though, oh well
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Boss Mog
Member
Even if I still had an Xbox and the game wasn't overly woke, I still wouldn't play it because the gameplay I saw looked very poor and the graphics looked very last gen, and not even good last gen.
The thing about these woke devs, beyond the fact that they try to inject their cultural and political viewpoints, is that they don't have that much talent for making games. Every aspect they touch is bad: Bad graphics, bad story, bad character design, bad gameplay, bad dialogue. But it's not surprising, this is what DEI does, it forces you to hire untalented people in order to fill quotas and those untalented people are often just activists who care more about pushing their ideology rather than making good, fun games.
The thing about these woke devs, beyond the fact that they try to inject their cultural and political viewpoints, is that they don't have that much talent for making games. Every aspect they touch is bad: Bad graphics, bad story, bad character design, bad gameplay, bad dialogue. But it's not surprising, this is what DEI does, it forces you to hire untalented people in order to fill quotas and those untalented people are often just activists who care more about pushing their ideology rather than making good, fun games.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
This - pronouns or no pronouns, the game itself looks shite.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Wow the character models are absolutely awful. They look just as bad as Bethesda games. Why do we have ugly characters like this this far in the generation?
Soodanim
Gold Member
If we pretend that I was once interested, it’s not the original Grummz stuff that killed it. He’s an over dramatic rage machine. What actually made me wary of the game design choices is the dev’s reaction.
I get the impression that certain choices were made not with good game design in mind, but intentions separate to that. Proudly admitting that is concerning as a potential customer because it showcases a willingness to compromise or even jeopardise the product to make a point. If it seems like you’re doing it out of spite, customers might think you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I get the impression that certain choices were made not with good game design in mind, but intentions separate to that. Proudly admitting that is concerning as a potential customer because it showcases a willingness to compromise or even jeopardise the product to make a point. If it seems like you’re doing it out of spite, customers might think you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Heart_Attack
Member
For Free. Yes.
panda-zebra
Member
Nobody called you or anyone else a psycho. Hansen wrote "sickos.jpg" (instead of actually posting the image itself) - reference to a reaction image people post when they're on the outside looking in with perverse pleasure or schadenfreude at a given situation. I'm sure you're familiar with it.
Hansen saw himself as the sicko taking pleasure in Elon's ire at having pronoun choices in a fantasy game. He saw it as getting a rise out of someone with strong opposing views on the whole pronouns thing. The unfortunate irony for Hansen being that it's objectively Musk left taking the most pleasure out of the situation (and I suspect revelling in his own taste of sickos.jpg) when going on to tag Nadella in a further tweet putting Hansen and his colleagues under a microscope they would rather have avoided. Not to mention the grifter circus in full overdrive.
It was, unfortunately for him, a poetically fitting use of sickos by Hansen, as the fictional creator of the image itself always reacts to situations with entirely the wrong reasoning or motivation. If he is true to himself and his thinking, including pronouns should be a positive, inclusive thing that makes his game a better one (however you, I or anyone else personally feels about that decision)... But no, it's that fact that it triggered Elon Musk "I wanted so badly to make him mad with my game" that's the perceived big win worth gloating over. That's kinda Stan Kelly af.
That's a theme I saw running through some of the less reactionary posts in the original thread.
Pronoun inclusion was not necessarily something that bothered some, including myself. If it goes on to offer alternate gameplay opportunities that justify it rather than just ticking a box because they feel they have to or to get a few bonus points with reviewers, then that would be meaningful and allow more people to role play the way they want to. If that's all there and optional for those that care - great, that's genuine inclusivity.
But Hansen's words and tone didn't leave me with any real confidence on that front. People say Veilguard lectures ham-fistedly, disrupts immersion by injecting anachronisms in an indoctrinating way as though the devs themselves are bungling their way through a rewiring of their own thinking and dragging the player along with them. That just sounds fucking messy and problematic., not authentic but forced and out of place. It's not hard to see why people might look to that and be wary of similar things woven into the narrative of this game, too. Time will tell.
Two similar quotes come to mind:
There’s only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Hansen is putting these theories to the test. Either way, I'll add another observation: Games get a Pass on Game Pass.
MacReady13
Member
It is a definitive NO from me. Fuck these morons making these games. DEI can fuck right off. Treat people as idiots and it’s simple- I won’t be spending any money on your shitty game.
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
Visible, not assumed pronoun inclusion is simply an attempt to foist progressive gender theory on unsuspecting gamers. For example, the difference between someone that is androgynous vs non-binary. One is simply an aesthetic preference and the other a claimed identity. A certain group will tell you they are the same but daring to deny the validity of only one elicits a searing and vehement hostility.
Further, the comments made by the art director confirm my suspicion... that the game, like Veilguard, is tailored towards a modern leftist audience. As I actively wish to discourage the creation of games that push ideological tenets such as gender theory and feminism. I'm gonna make like a tree, and get outta here. Fuck Awoked!
Further, the comments made by the art director confirm my suspicion... that the game, like Veilguard, is tailored towards a modern leftist audience. As I actively wish to discourage the creation of games that push ideological tenets such as gender theory and feminism. I'm gonna make like a tree, and get outta here. Fuck Awoked!
Humdinger
Gold Member
That's my concern, too - that the art director felt free to speak like this because he is part of a "woke" work culture that supports it. And therefore, the game itself will be infected with it. But I'm still in "wait and see" mode with respect to that. Haven't seen evidence of it yet. However, Outer Worlds had woke elements, so I wouldn't be surprised if this one does, too.
I'm holding out hope, though. I like what I saw in the recent previews. I'm on PS5, so no need for me to rush to judgment. The nature/quality of the game will be clear by the time it shows up there.
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sachos
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That Lumen greatness.Correct.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Lumen lighting looks good but some of the new previews mentioned noticing foliage pop-in, so this is probably on an older version of UE5 before it supported Nanite on foliage.
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lmimmfn
Member
You mean wokepass?
jzbadblood
Neo Member
I don't care about fake outrage right wing youtube slop commentator controversies. It's going to be on gamepass and the gameplay looks pretty good. I'll play it for sure.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I strongly doubt 90% of their customers were Musk and Mark Kern (aka Grummz).
Hogwarts legacy with they/them pronouns was one of your best games ever and your GOTY, but Avowed with a pronoun toggle is ‘ramming it down your throat’?
GHG
Is that you!?!Theres been a murder
It’s a fantasy game with elves and giant cats and other made up races. Who knows what pronouns they actually use. If it’s like a Netflix or Amazon original production with forced scenes/writing that have no bearing on the plot and don’t fit the story, that’s one thing. If it’s just an option that means nothing after 30 seconds of choosing it, that’s another. Let the end product speak for itself instead of a single picture.
People are losing their mind over this, and then you can play something like BG3. You can make any combination of a person and have relations with almost anything that moves. So sexual relationships or character sexual identity aren’t the issue, it’s the pronoun. Do I support it, no. Do I care what other people do in their own lives, if it doesn’t harm me, also no. Who am I to force my beliefs, thoughts and opinions on another person. To make someone else live to my idea of what is normal and acceptable.
And, how others have pointed out, this isn’t the first game with this option. Some have even been extremely successful and popular. This one is a huge issue because Musk opened his mouth and people worship the ground he walks on.
People are losing their mind over this, and then you can play something like BG3. You can make any combination of a person and have relations with almost anything that moves. So sexual relationships or character sexual identity aren’t the issue, it’s the pronoun. Do I support it, no. Do I care what other people do in their own lives, if it doesn’t harm me, also no. Who am I to force my beliefs, thoughts and opinions on another person. To make someone else live to my idea of what is normal and acceptable.
And, how others have pointed out, this isn’t the first game with this option. Some have even been extremely successful and popular. This one is a huge issue because Musk opened his mouth and people worship the ground he walks on.
BouncyFrag
Member
I’ll give a look if a get a gamepass sub at some point.
PeteBull
Member
Even tho im as antifeminist and antiwoke/antileftists as they go, i didnt vote in the poll simply coz i dunno yet, if its pronouns only and game is legit good, then i will(not saying at launch but i will at some point, since i love rpgs, including western rpgs), if its dragon age:vailguard "good" aka only according to paid off professional journos- then ofc i wont, not at launch, not ever, including if its given for free in one of online stores, my time is simply valuable enough to not play bad games, simple as that, in the place of playing even "free" bad or mediocre game i can play good one after all
So lets wait and see, plenty time left, its singleplayer game, im not under any preasure here, devs are, its their job to convince me to spend my hard earned money after all
So lets wait and see, plenty time left, its singleplayer game, im not under any preasure here, devs are, its their job to convince me to spend my hard earned money after all
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No not because of the drama but because it just seems soulless. Gameplay could be good but I don't see the world but generic and boring. From what we are reading that is exactly what the game is .this game is not reaching elder scrolls at all it's not even reaching older Gothic games to me.its a nice action game rpg but I want more then that I want a world and story to enrich in
King Dazzar
Member
I'm bemused why you're laughing off KCD. The way the sword swings are connecting with the enemy in KCD looks great to me. It looks very kinetic with direct reaction to placement hits from the sword. Do you have any combat of Avowed to compare?
hangdang69
Member
I wasn't going to play it it because it looked bad. The rest of the stuff just makes it an even easier decision.