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[rm082e]

Props to Elden Ring for being a 2 year old largely single player game still in the top 20. Got more recent big budget games like SM2 already about to fall off the list.

Folks trying to get their legs back before Shadow of the Erdtree launches?

 

[mckmas8808]

Hardware Estimates from IB:

PS5: 460K
NSW: 240K
XBS: 195K

This is NUTS!!! 70% (PS5) to 30% (XBS) in America is out of this world bad for MS. Phil has GOT to lose his job this year!!!


EDITED

PS5: 525K
NSW: 235K
XBS: 205K

So these are the real numbers and it's even worse. 72% PS5 vs. 28% XBS. It's almost 3-to-1 in Xbox's best territory. Please Nadal, FIRE PHIL!

 

[Unknown?]

This is NUTS!!! 70% (PS5) to 30% (XBS) in America is out of this world bad for MS. Phil has GOT to lose his job this year!!!


EDITED

PS5: 525K
NSW: 235K
XBS: 205K

So these are the real numbers and it's even worse. 72% PS5 vs. 28% XBS. It's almost 3-to-1 in Xbox's best territory. Please Nadal, FIRE PHIL!

This doesn't count digital consoles.

 

[mckmas8808]

SM2 was a really mid game though. Totally unnecessary would be a good term also.

People have a really weird way of letting a narrative tell a story, rather than letting the data do the talking. SM2 has sold over 12 million units in 6 or so months. On ONE platform. Why are we comparing it to Elden Ring and coming away with SM2 did bad or didn't perform great?

 

[GeoramA]

Damn, that’s some serious hardware drop for all the platforms.

The Switch 2 rumors, PS5 Pro rumors, and MS giving up on the Series X/S is having an effect I'm sure.

 

[StereoVsn]

The Switch 2 rumors, PS5 Pro rumors, and MS giving up on the Series X/S is having an effect I'm sure.

Doubt PS5 Pro rumors are having much of an effect. The sorts of people who would buy a Pro already bought a PS5.

 

[yazenov]

I doubt the X is outselling the S but possibly. The Switch Lite is $100 cheaper than the Series S and the Series X $200 more than the S. The S could be considerably outselling the X and it would still be higher revenue than Switch overall.

 

[OuterLimits]

Good thing Vanillaware decided to put Unicorn Overlord on Switch. They are already hurting themselves by not releasing on PC.

 

[nial]

Launch aligned sales figures last gen vs current gen:

I demand 2017 Wii U numbers now.

 

[Radical_3d]

Launch aligned sales figures last gen vs current gen:

So, Xbox isn’t under performing. It’s PS5 that is over performing. I guess because of the coincidental fact that this first quarter software was pretty appealing.

 

[lh032]

So rebirth sales performance is still standing , nice.

 

[lh032]

PC port of HFW bombed. And it was a great port.

Makes me wonder what the point is at this point and why Sony bothers.

I hope all the ps first party games bomb on PC.

 

[demigod]

I stand corrected.

According to Welfare from IB:

PS5: ~525K
NSW: ~235K
XBS: ~205K

Launch aligned sales figures last gen vs current gen:

So which ones the real numbers? Where are your numbers from Thick?

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

All this bullshit talk and Xbox still number 2 in revenue? Imagine when Forspoken and Foamstar gets dropped during June's Xbox showcase. Return of the mother fucking King!

Return Of The King, but they never got past the rank of Court Jester.

 

[Lionel Richie]

PC port of HFW bombed. And it was a great port.

Makes me wonder what the point is at this point and why Sony bothers.

It's a shit game in a shit franchise that only Playstation fans care about. Snoy should stop that nonsense and get back to Killzone.

 

[onQ123]

This is NUTS!!! 70% (PS5) to 30% (XBS) in America is out of this world bad for MS. Phil has GOT to lose his job this year!!!


EDITED

PS5: 525K
NSW: 235K
XBS: 205K

So these are the real numbers and it's even worse. 72% PS5 vs. 28% XBS. It's almost 3-to-1 in Xbox's best territory. Please Nadal, FIRE PHIL!

Phil isn't the problem & he actually fought harder for Xbox than anyone else would have at this point . PlayStation is just too big on the console side & Xbox 360 & Wii where just a stroke of luck because of the mistakes made with PS3 other than that there was no chance of a home console surviving the landslide. Nintendo got completely out of PlayStation way after the Gamecube & now Xbox is doing the same thing.

 

[Fafalada]

So, Xbox isn’t under performing.

I think most ppl didn't think of xb1 as baseline, as that was already seen as underperforming.
But worth noting xb1 did much better in holiday seasons than s/x, which led to depressed Q1 sales too, so this isn't a great trend to be on.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

PC port of HFW bombed. And it was a great port.

Makes me wonder what the point is at this point and why Sony bothers.

It did exactly as expected for a 2yo game that was avaliable even on sub service for quite some time. And considering it's quite hardware-hungry too.

Dev costs for these ports is floating around 1 to 3 million USD, so in the end ROI is always at least worth it (Sackboy was the only port that kinda bombed). The PC HFW has around 40K peak CCU with 350k owner estimates and 91% of positive reviews so it did just fine. It will earn even more money on promotions, sales and overall staying power of the platform, especially when people will upgrade their old rigs and will look for a benchmark.

Considering that SIE brings the SP-games ports to PC only after the console sales are stalled, it's basically free money for Sony.

 

[H-I-M]

The Xbox engagement chart is a little bit surprising. No starfield, no FM, the recent first party tentpole releases missing even on gamepass engagement is a little strange.

What's surprising is how Helldiver heavily benefited from being on PC, while Starfield didn't and completely bombed instead.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

So which ones the real numbers? Where are your numbers from Thick?

Both the 2017 and 2024 figures are estimates taken from install base. The 2017 HW sales numbers were taken from this NPD thread specifically - https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...r-results-discussion-thread.2223/#post-217287

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Also, here's the NPD chart for March 2020 when Nioh 2 launched on PS4. Rise of the Ronin sold considerably better with fewer weeks of tracking, and people from the install base suggest that it might be the biggest NPD launch for Koei Tecmo ever.

[#3] March (March 01 - April 04) - 5 Weeks* COVID-19 declared a National Emergency March 17

Rank​	Prior Month​	Game​	Weeks in Tracking​
1	NEW	Animal Crossing: New Horizons	3
2	NEW	Doom Eternal	3
3	1	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)	-
4	NEW	MLB: The Show 20	3
5	NEW	Resident Evil 3 (2020)	1
6	2	NBA 2K20	-
7	-	Persona 5	-
8	3	Grand Theft Auto V	-
9	-	Borderlands 3	-
10	NEW	Nioh 2	4

 

[demigod]

Both the 2017 and 2024 figures are estimates taken from install base. The 2017 HW sales numbers were taken from this NPD thread specifically - https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...r-results-discussion-thread.2223/#post-217287

But both are from IB yet the numbers are different. The first one has 4k higher xbox and 5k lower ps5 numbers.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

But both are from IB yet the numbers are different. The first one has 4k higher xbox and 5k lower ps5 numbers.

I mean they're margin of error differences, not that big of a deal since they're just estimates.

 

[Flabagast]

I hope all the ps first party games bomb on PC.

They are bombing more and more

From what we know TLOU Part 1 is below Miles Morales, and the first estimates lead us to believe that forbidden west should just be a little above sackboy.
PC players are starting to reject pretty fiercely PS SP 1st party games

 

[Luminoth-4545]

So PS5 has likely passed 20 million in the U.S now which means it has overtaken the lifetime total of the PSP (19.99m). Next up is the PS3 (26.87m), PS1 (30.18m), PS4 (34.76m) and PS2 (46.34m). I think it will eventually pass the PS4 due to the PS4 having it's tail cut short by component shortages.

 

[Astray]

Rise of the Ronin is doing surprisingly good.

 

[Hardensoul]

So, Xbox isn’t under performing. It’s PS5 that is over performing. I guess because of the coincidental fact that this first quarter software was pretty appealing.

Coming from 360 and disaster of Xbox One. With leadership change and more spending, Xbox Series was definitely expected to bounced back up. Series is underperforming!

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It did exactly as expected for a 2yo game that was avaliable even on sub service for quite some time. And considering it's quite hardware-hungry too.

Dev costs for these ports is floating around 1 to 3 million USD, so in the end ROI is always at least worth it (Sackboy was the only port that kinda bombed). The PC HFW has around 40K peak CCU with 350k owner estimates and 91% of positive reviews so it did just fine. It will earn even more money on promotions, sales and overall staying power of the platform, especially when people will upgrade their old rigs and will look for a benchmark.

Considering that SIE brings the SP-games ports to PC only after the console sales are stalled, it's basically free money for Sony.

350k owners @ 59.99 * .7 = $15M dollars in revenue

Cost of porting was low single digit millions. You’re probably looking at only $10M in profit for one of the biggest AAA titles on PlayStation.

They only have at most 1-2 of these types of games per year they can eventually monetize on PC.

Does it make sense to sabotage their exclusive draw for selling consoles and play right into Microsoft’s hand when they announce a Steam side loading Xbox?

There is a major risk of people just getting a PC where they can play everything day and date except Sony games where they may have to wait a few years.

$10M in revenue for a major AAA title is an absolute joke and absolutely not worth porting over

 

[jroc74]

So, Xbox isn’t under performing. It’s PS5 that is over performing. I guess because of the coincidental fact that this first quarter software was pretty appealing.

Looking at that chart...Series consoles are selling less than XBO.

That isn't under performing?

I would say it's both PS5 over performing and Xbox under performing.

I think most ppl didn't think of xb1 as baseline, as that was already seen as underperforming.
But worth noting xb1 did much better in holiday seasons than s/x, which led to depressed Q1 sales too, so this isn't a great trend to be on.

Coming from 360 and disaster of Xbox One. With leadership change and more spending, Xbox Series was definitely expected to bounced back up. Series is underperforming!

Exactly.

 

[Arsic]

HFW doing poor is due to its release window.

You wanted to go head to head with DD2? Cmon son…

 

[Radical_3d]

Coming from 360 and disaster of Xbox One. With leadership change and more spending, Xbox Series was definitely expected to bounced back up. Series is underperforming!

But Xbox 360 success was an international success. I thought the internal market was always healthy for Xbox. Even with the One.

 

[SlimySnake]

They are bombing more and more

From what we know TLOU Part 1 is below Miles Morales, and the first estimates lead us to believe that forbidden west should just be a little above sackboy.
PC players are starting to reject pretty fiercely PS SP 1st party games

All these ports and whoring out of your core franchises just for PC gamers who couldnt care less about these games.

Im pretty sure the first few games sold well because PC gamers thought they would see what the fuss was all about but these action adventure games have never sold well on PC. That audience is simply into different games.

 

[Woopah]

Coming from 360 and disaster of Xbox One. With leadership change and more spending, Xbox Series was definitely expected to bounced back up. Series is underperforming!

But Xbox 360 success was an international success. I thought the internal market was always healthy for Xbox. Even with the One.

Xbox One did pretty well in its first three years, even outselling the PS4 in some areas.

It didn't do quite so well in the 2nd half of its life though.

 

[Hardensoul]

But Xbox 360 success was an international success. I thought the internal market was always healthy for Xbox. Even with the One.

Did not meant to sound like 360 was also Disaster. Wording should’ve been “and then Xbox One disaster”.

Xbox Series is even tracking much worse than Xbox One.Wonder how much worse these recent numbers would be if it weren’t for the heavy discount sales during and since holidays.

 

[Hardensoul]

Xbox Ome did pretty well in its first three years, even outselling the PS4 in some areas.

It didn't do quite so well in the 2nd half of its life though.

Well when they were projecting to sell 400m to 1billion units of Xbox One! It’s definitely a disaster when they only sold 57m!

 

[Unknown?]

But Xbox 360 success was an international success. I thought the internal market was always healthy for Xbox. Even with the One.

It did okay in Europe but that is with UK helping out and poor in Asia(but an improvement over the OG). More than half of the sells were from North America.

 

[Woopah]

Well when they were projecting to sell 400m to 1billion units of Xbox One! It’s definitely a disaster when they only sold 57m!

That quote was about gaming consoles as a whole, not just Xbox One:

"Every generation, as you've probably heard, has grown approximately 30%. So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generation will get upwards of about 400 million units. That's if it's a game console, over the next decade.

We think you can go broader than a game console, that's our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That's how we're thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward."

The prediction was still wrong though. Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One got no where near 400 million.

 

[ChiefDada]

Xbox...

 

[mayham2199]

Good thing Vanillaware decided to put Unicorn Overlord on Switch. They are already hurting themselves by not releasing on PC.

You pretty much have to be sabotaging your game to not release games like this on PC.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Xbox Ome did pretty well in its first three years, even outselling the PS4 in some areas.

It didn't do quite so well in the 2nd half of its life though.

Yeah but who could have predicted cable would become less and less relevant?

 

[Radical_3d]

It did okay in Europe but that is with UK helping out and poor in Asia(but an improvement over the OG). More than half of the sells were from North America.

Did not meant to sound like 360 was also Disaster. Wording should’ve been “and then Xbox One disaster”.

Xbox Series is even tracking much worse than Xbox One.Wonder how much worse these recent numbers would be if it weren’t for the heavy discount sales during and since holidays.

That’s not my point. My point was that the One did well on NA, which are the numbers we’re discussing. And that having a few thousands less in a quarter is not significant.

 

[Hardensoul]

That’s not my point. My point was that the One did well on NA, which are the numbers we’re discussing. And that having a few thousands less in a quarter is not significant.

NA sales Xbox 360 46mill vs Xbox One 32mill is a disaster when MS wants to sell vastly more than 360.

This thread then comparing One vs Series basically same 200k is coping! When they obviously want to at least sell more or even more than 360. Why would comparing to lower console is good sign?

Both One and Series sales are a disaster. Series is tracking a lot worst!

Edit: For more context on how much MS projection for Xbox One scroll up to my convo with Woopah!

 

[graywolf323]

NA sales Xbox 360 46mill vs Xbox One 32mill is a disaster when MS wants to sell vastly more than 360.

This thread then comparing One vs Series basically same 200k is coping! When they obviously want to at least sell more or even more than 360. Why would comparing to lower console is good sign?

Both One and Series sales are a disaster. Series is tracking a lot worst!

yep, the Series wasn’t supposed to do worse than the One, it was supposed to be a return to form

instead Phil Spencer (who never gets any blame for the disaster that was Xbox One) has managed to come in below that even, not even in the U.S. which is by far their strongest territory are they tracking above it, meanwhile PS5 is tracking ahead of PS4

 

[Unknown?]

NA sales Xbox 360 46mill vs Xbox One 32mill is a disaster when MS wants to sell vastly more than 360.

This thread then comparing One vs Series basically same 200k is coping! When they obviously want to at least sell more or even more than 360. Why would comparing to lower console is good sign?

Both One and Series sales are a disaster. Series is tracking a lot worst!

Edit: For more context on how much MS projection for Xbox One scroll up to my convo with Woopah!

To be fair, 32 million is likely what the 360 actually sold without all the faulty units.

 

[Hardensoul]

To be fair, 32 million is likely what the 360 actually sold without all the faulty units.

Possibly but consumers found 360 worth it to rebuy. But obviously not the same for One and Series.

 

[Hardensoul]

Xbox...

Switch sales is still decent for console in its 8th year. 155-160m is a real possibility!

Also Xbox Series is dead world wide.

 

[Radical_3d]

To be fair, 32 million is likely what the 360 actually sold without all the faulty units.

This. So probably they expanded the user base with One (on NA). It’s not all doom and gloom (on NA).

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

This is NUTS!!! 70% (PS5) to 30% (XBS) in America is out of this world bad for MS. Phil has GOT to lose his job this year!!!


EDITED

PS5: 525K
NSW: 235K
XBS: 205K

So these are the real numbers and it's even worse. 72% PS5 vs. 28% XBS. It's almost 3-to-1 in Xbox's best territory. Please Nadal, FIRE PHIL!

Better to sell off the gaming IP and make up some losses. No reason to overexpand. Just focus on cloud, office, and operating systems. I bet you could get like 100 billion for their ip!

 

[Unknown?]

This. So probably they expanded the user base with One (on NA). It’s not all doom and gloom (on NA).

Probably not though. I'd estimate they are a few million below 360 in real units(or consumer numbers) but not far off and as someone else mentioned: even though many were repeat customers and inflating the numbers, they still felt it was worth it to rebuy. That's big because faulty products tend to have people abandon it for something else.

 

[Radical_3d]

I’d love to know the split between S and X to know the real gap in next generation machines.