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[The ninja farmer]

When we play PUBG we are all on PC so not sure about cross play but for the small group I play with its still very enjoyable but the cheating there is still bad as well

They still ban like around 100k accounts per week yet cheaters are still everywhere

Sadly true. You try to minimise or avoid the best you can. It’s all now getting a bit rubbish. cheating was always a thing, but it’s everywhere and in all sorts of games

We don’t play on pc anymore. So only console for me and my group. Seems like the thin end of the wedge, for games like warzone

I think it will reach a tipping point and changes will get made. But with the money out there, I would think cheaters and companies would adapt and go again.

Perhaps things will change. Or it’s just a sign to stick to single player games (I didn’t bother with the last cod and this was part of the reason. That and mw3 being just terrible for me)

 

[sncvsrtoip]

What meltdowns? Fabricated ones?

Xbox can launch a more powerful console in 2026, at a high price, the reality is that it will look like a PS5 Pro +

Is that next gen?

Prety sure next xbox in 2026 wont be cpu and bandwidth limited like ps5pro. I predict difference between next xbox and pro will be defenitly bigger than pro vs base ps5.

 

[Jinxed]

Who in their right mind would ever buy another Microsoft console after this gen lol

 

[viveks86]

What if the “next gen” Xbox dev kit here is referring to the handheld?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What if the “next gen” Xbox dev kit here is referring to the handheld?

Possibly

The Xbox handheld will be just a windows machine per what others have said so not sure they would have devkits for that this far out

Plus I would be beyond shocked if that handheld doesn't get here until then, I think that gets here much sooner

 

[ManaByte]

Plus I would be beyond shocked if that handheld doesn't get here until then, I think that gets here much sooner

Handheld is this holiday

Console is next year.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Prety sure next xbox in 2026 wont be cpu and bandwidth limited like ps5pro. I predict difference between next xbox and pro will be defenitly bigger than pro vs base ps5.

PS5 pro isn’t cpu limited, it’s running everything at 60

I don’t think you’ll be getting a > 30TF Xbox in 2026, which is what you’d need for a bigger leap than ps5 to ps5 pro

10 * 1.67 =16.7

16.7 * 1.67 = 27.889

And that’s just breaking even with the gains not considering diminishing returns

 

[mckmas8808]

Six years isn't early. It's almost their standard cadence.

Bro.....think about what you're saying. Do you REALLY believe MS will release any games exclusively on this new Xbox Hardware in 2026 or 2027?

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

It's insanity to release a next gen console in 2026, while we are just scratching the surface of the current gen.

 

[mckmas8808]

Prety sure next xbox in 2026 wont be cpu and bandwidth limited like ps5pro. I predict difference between next xbox and pro will be defenitly bigger than pro vs base ps5.

Why would that matter if MS doesn't make a game exclusively for that console? MS games in 2026 and 2027 will HAVE to run on the Xbox Series S. Do you not see the issue here?

 

[Punished Miku]

It's insanity to release a next gen console in 2026, while we are just scratching the surface of the current gen.

Personally, I don't think that matters as much as people think. I can't see Unreal 6 coming out anytime in the next 7 years. It's taken so long for Unreal 5 to just barely get started, and it's already feeling a bit hardware constrained. Other than people's custom engines, that's going to be the most common standard. It's just a question of the pace of hardware advancements and finding a decent sweet spot for hitting 60 fps on Unreal 5 games at a decent price. IMHO.

 

[KyoZz]

I can't see why anyone would lock himself behind the next Xbox if all the games are coming to Playstation sooner or later down the line, if not day one.
Gamepass? Then at this point get a PC so you can also enjoy Sony games and the other vast majority of PC only titles. It might be a little more expensive at the entry level, but after that it's cheaper than a console. Not to mention you don't need the high-end parts.

So why choose an Xbox? Playstation 5 (or 6 when it release) and a Switch 2 is all you need now. It's time to go full third party.

So Sega can do a Dreamcast 2. Do it. Please <3

 

[lh032]

COD nextbox exclusive!!!!???

 

[Orbital2060]

Rumour says its «being developed on dev kits for next gen Xbox» - how could that be referring to a handheld?

 

[sncvsrtoip]

PS5 pro isn’t cpu limited, it’s running everything at 60

I don’t think you’ll be getting a > 30TF Xbox in 2026, which is what you’d need for a bigger leap than ps5 to ps5 pro

10 * 1.67 =16.7

16.7 * 1.67 = 27.889

And that’s just breaking even with the gains not considering diminishing returns

On avarage pro is only 30% faster (usualy just enabling pssr take whole gpu advantage) not to mention many ue5 game are heavy on cpu (check avowed analysis). You will see bigger difference than 30% next xbox vs pro (much bigger).

 

[clarky]

Six years isn't early. It's almost their standard cadence.

its earlier than the competition.

A new console next year feels early what with cross gen still being a thing and with how long games take to make these days. Hell Fable started development before this generation and will release at apparently the start of next gen. Crazy

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Next gen isn’t a thing, any console launching in 2026 will be a pro console

Not that it matters, discontinuing support for ps4 is all that’s being discussed here, not abandoning ps5 gen

Next gen isn’t a thing, any console launching in 2005 wont be a next gen console.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

On avarage pro is only 30% faster (usualy just enabling pssr take whole gpu advantage) not to mention many ue5 game are heavy on cpu (check avowed analysis). You will see bigger difference than 30% next xbox vs pro (much bigger).

It’s 45% per internal studies

And that limitation isn’t going away as power scales on existing architecture

In other words, MS will run into the same problems with scaling raster.

That’s why Cerny even admitted raster would be less important for ps6 and beyond

 

[Orbital2060]

COD nextbox exclusive!!!!???

Just the next gen version of it, according to the rumour. It will still play on XS and PS5.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Handheld is this holiday

Console is next year.

 

[clarky]

Just reminding people that it's an Infinity Ward game.

2019 and OG warzone were great. MWII not so much, but it has its fans.

 

[ValiantInstance]

2019 and OG warzone were great. MWII not so much, but it has its fans.

What was great about 2019? I'm talking purely multiplayer and don't give af about nonsense like gun sounds and animations.

 

[Fess]

its earlier than the competition.

A new console next year feels early what with cross gen still being a thing and with how long game take these days. Hell Fable started development before this generation and will release at apparently the start of next gen. Crazy

If anything it’s too late. The current Xbox is dead on the market, they should’ve launched a new one this year and showed it last year when PS5 Pro was revealed.

 

[Rockman33]

No, not in a way that matters to the regular consumer

What would matter to the average consumer in your opinion?

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

What would matter to the average consumer in your opinion?

Real generational leap in performance at a decent price. You won’t get that from a console released in 2026

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Real generational leap in performance at a decent price. You won’t get that from a console released in 2026

Not at a decent price, well at least mainstream pricing but there might be options for that

 

[clarky]

What was great about 2019? I'm talking purely multiplayer and don't give af about nonsense like gun sounds and animations.

2019 felt great to play, sure some of the map were shite but the core gameplay was fantastic. The most important part.

Theres a reason Warzone blew up, the mechanics where top tier, all born from 2019.

 

[clarky]

If anything it’s too late. The current Xbox is dead on the market, they should’ve launched a new one this year and showed it last year when PS5 Pro was revealed.

A slightly more powerful box this year would have crashed and burned even worse.
What would be the point of a series Pro (because thats what it would be) when nobody wants the current model? Wheres the hook?

 

[Fess]

A slightly more powerful box this year would have crashed and burned even worse.
What would be the point of a series Pro (because thats what it would be) when nobody wants the current model? Wheres the hook?

They sold like 2 million consoles in 2024, can’t crash worse than that…

Switch 2 is mid in specs but it’s still Switch 2. A new Xbox console would start a new generation, not a mid gen Pro, and no more getting dragged down by Series S or a weak CPU. There would be next gen hype no matter what. With some impressive launch trailers it would instantly inject some hype for the brand and at minimum you would have the usual day 1 enthusiast crowd jump in. Couple millions right there.
Trailers for The Elder Scrolls VI, Gears E-Day, FH6, would be a hook. And next gen update for Fable and the missing games like Black Myth, State of Decay 3, Contraband, Everwild, and the best console version for GTA6 and COD.

 

[Horseganador]

It doesn't seem like a good idea to give Sony any room to launch a superior machine a year later, they would be even worse off than in this generation.

 

[demigod]

Phil: Hold my beer.

You think after all the dumb moves this guy has made over the last ten years releasing a new conole is a stretch?

They totally are stupid enough to do this.

How dare you insuLt our fearless leader. Your green rat card is being revoked.

 

[clarky]

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Trailers for The Elder Scrolls VI, Gears E-Day, FH6, would be a hook. And next gen update for Fable and the missing games like Black Myth, State of Decay 3, Contraband, Everwild, and the best console version for GTA6 and COD.

None of the above helped the series consoles.

Possibly the best place to play GTA might shift a few consoles.

I just think they are beating a dead horse at this point. Unless all those games you mentioned are to be exclusive, which of course they are not.

 

[FalconPunch]

On avarage pro is only 30% faster (usualy just enabling pssr take whole gpu advantage) not to mention many ue5 game are heavy on cpu (check avowed analysis). You will see bigger difference than 30% next xbox vs pro (much bigger).

Not many will buy a "next-gen" Xbox. Not many people are buying the current Xbox so a next gen one, lol. Also how much will that cost? $800. Now if its a handheld xbox, it won't be more powerful and will also flop. However, I understand why they'd want to try that route.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Not many will buy a "next-gen" Xbox. Not many people are buying the current Xbox so a next gen one, lol. Also how much will that cost? $800. Now if its a handheld xbox, it won't be more powerful and will also flop. However, I understand why they'd want to try that route.

 

[PauloRoberto]

It looks like everyone is losing their minds on this matter..


- Today, Microsoft has NO POWER to dictate a "new console" generation, that's a fact. Given the number of stupid decisions on software and hardware, this kind of mindshare simply do not exist anymore, except for rabid fanboys, some of which visit this forum.

- Can MS create a more powerful console? Absolutely, but this would show that Xbox Series S was a mistake and MS does not know what to do, cementing even more the mindshare that MS is a directionless company.

- Can MS create a portable computer? Of course, but given the market is ABSOLUTELY niche, this would be, at the best case, a pyrrhic victory.

- On both cases, will companies even CARE to optimize their games? A 'powerful' console does not mean ANYTHING (except for echo chambers like Neogaf)... Xbox, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X prove that.

 

[Fess]

None of the above helped the series consoles.

Possibly the best place to play GTA might shift a few consoles.

I just think they are beating a dead horse at this point. Unless all those games you mentioned are to be exclusive, which of course they are not.

The series is a different console, with it’s own problems.

A new generation would by default pull people in again, that’s why new generations are coming, for all brands. When sales go down you start a new generation. Rinse and repeat. And Xbox needed that to happen this year. Or even last year. The brand needs a generation reset. Out with the old, in with the new.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It looks like everyone is losing their minds on this matter..


- Today, Microsoft has NO POWER to dictate a "new console" generation, that's a fact. Given the number of stupid decisions on software and hardware, this kind of mindshare simply do not exist anymore, except for rabid fanboys, some of which visit this forum.

- Can MS create a more powerful console? Absolutely, but this would show that Xbox Series S was a mistake and MS does not know what to do, cementing even more the mindshare that MS is a directionless company.

- Can MS create a portable computer? Of course, but given the market is ABSOLUTELY niche, this would be, at the best case, a pyrrhic victory.

- On both cases, will companies even CARE to optimize their games? A 'powerful' console does not mean ANYTHING (except for echo chambers like Neogaf)... Xbox, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X prove that.

I don't agree with anything you just said but then again we don't have to agree

Anyone can dictate when a new generation starts if the machine is capable enough

Most feel the Series S was a mistake so also launch this new machine with some exclusive to show it off and have the machine be clearly the superior place to play console games even if for a year or two

The entire problem will revolve around pricing as they wont be able to do things needed for a mainstream price

Make it compelling enough and I am in, if its not strong enough I play keep playing my console games on the Pro and the MS games on my PC

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

I can't see why anyone would lock himself behind the next Xbox if all the games are coming to Playstation sooner or later down the line, if not day one.
Gamepass? Then at this point get a PC so you can also enjoy Sony games and the other vast majority of PC only titles. It might be a little more expensive at the entry level, but after that it's cheaper than a console. Not to mention you don't need the high-end parts.

So why choose an Xbox? Playstation 5 (or 6 when it release) and a Switch 2 is all you need now. It's time to go full third party.

So Sega can do a Dreamcast 2. Do it. Please <3

Common sense the ecosystem. What happens to owners of middlemen consoles when the industry shifts to cloud in the next 10-15 yrs. Sony nor Nintendo have a standby like windows. Check the leak from a few years ago they want to merge windows & pc.

 

[Fess]

I don't agree with anything you just said but then again we don't have to agree

Anyone can dictate when a new generation starts if the machine is capable enough

Most feel the Series S was a mistake so also launch this new machine with some exclusive to show it off and have the machine be clearly the superior place to play console games even if for a year or two

The entire problem will revolve around pricing as they wont be able to do things needed for a mainstream price

Make it compelling enough and I am in, if its not strong enough I play keep playing my console games on the Pro and the MS games on my PC

Yeah, agreed on everything you say. Except the last segment, they already lost me to PC gaming, not sure what they could do now to get me back. Maybe I’ll be there if PC gaming gets even more expensive, or if they do a multi store UI for Steam, Epic, Ubi, Gamepass, Xbox and past consoles that I can’t get on PC.

 

[PauloRoberto]

I don't agree with anything you just said but then again we don't have to agree

Anyone can dictate when a new generation starts if the machine is capable enough

Most feel the Series S was a mistake so also launch this new machine with some exclusive to show it off and have the machine be clearly the superior place to play console games even if for a year or two

The entire problem will revolve around pricing as they wont be able to do things needed for a mainstream price

Make it compelling enough and I am in, if its not strong enough I play keep playing my console games on the Pro and the MS games on my PC

Like I said... neogaf echo chamber

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

It looks like everyone is losing their minds on this matter..


- Today, Microsoft has NO POWER to dictate a "new console" generation, that's a fact. Given the number of stupid decisions on software and hardware, this kind of mindshare simply do not exist anymore, except for rabid fanboys, some of which visit this forum.

- Can MS create a more powerful console? Absolutely, but this would show that Xbox Series S was a mistake and MS does not know what to do, cementing even more the mindshare that MS is a directionless company.

- Can MS create a portable computer? Of course, but given the market is ABSOLUTELY niche, this would be, at the best case, a pyrrhic victory.

- On both cases, will companies even CARE to optimize their games? A 'powerful' console does not mean ANYTHING (except for echo chambers like Neogaf)... Xbox, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X prove that.

The goal is two fold bury other publishers not backed by a tech giant and provide a reset for gp owners. It’s all going to be a windows device in the end.

Msft is probably the only company that can put out an enthusiast device, sell for pure profit, release across the industry and cry to regulators to get another big purchase. The last line of defense is t2/ea if they can’t output better next gen then it’s over, the next step is 90 usd games which adds value to gp.

 

[PauloRoberto]

The goal is two fold bury other publishers not backed by a tech giant and provide a reset for gp owners. It’s all going to be a windows device in the end.

Msft is probably the only company that can put out an enthusiast device, sell for pure profit, release across the industry and cry to regulators to get another big purchase. The last line of defense is t2/ea if they can’t output better next gen then it’s over, the next step is 90 usd games which adds value to gp.

Yeah, the only way MS knows how to work is forcing its way into a market... except all the times this do not work... i was there 10 years ago (literally, i was a MS contractor when Xbox One and Nokia 930 were launched... it was funny see how the FTE were living in a parallel world).

 

[Rockman33]

Real generational leap in performance at a decent price. You won’t get that from a console released in 2026

What does that mean?

 

[clarky]

The series is a different console, with it’s own problems.

A new generation would by default pull people in again, that’s why new generations are coming, for all brands. When sales go down you start a new generation. Rinse and repeat. And Xbox needed that to happen this year. Or even last year. The brand needs a generation reset. Out with the old, in with the new.

Without exclusive games there is no reason to own one. Pretty simple.

Sega tried it with the Dreamcast and failed miserably, and that was a great console with some cracking games. Xbox doesn't even have that luxury.

 

[Fess]

Without exclusive games there is no reason to own one. Pretty simple.

Sega tried it with the Dreamcast and failed miserably, and that was a great console with some cracking games. Xbox doesn't even have that luxury.

Next gen exclusives will obviously happen, like always. Some devs will manage to have cross generation versions but some will be excited to move on and not be held back by previous generation, specifically the weak CPU but Series S has also been an anchor all gen.

True platform exclusives is less certain today, they might try to be everywhere. Minimum on PC.
But as we know on this board PC gaming isn’t for everyone… And as said above some devs will want to move on and not be held back by weak CPUs etc on previous generation.
Result, if they would’ve kickstarted a new generation they would have platform exclusives for several years. PS6 is likely not coming until 2028 based on Pro being a mid generation upgrade. Plus, there will always be those who want the best they can get so the enthusiast crowd would definitely upgrade.

 

[clarky]

Next gen exclusives will obviously happen, like always. Some devs will manage to have cross generation versions but some will be excited to move on and not be held back by previous generation, specifically the weak CPU but Series S has also been an anchor all gen.

True platform exclusives is less certain today, they might try to be everywhere. Minimum on PC.
But as we know on this board PC gaming isn’t for everyone… And as said above some devs will want to move on and not be held back by weak CPUs etc on previous generation.
Result, if they would’ve kickstarted a new generation they would have platform exclusives for several years. PS6 is likely not coming until 2028 based on Pro being a mid generation upgrade. Plus, there will always be those who want the best they can get so the enthusiast crowd would definitely upgrade.

Talking about exclusives to this particular box. No PC day and date and certainly no Playstation. The xbox user base is already on its arse who would you entice console users from other platforms (or indeed your own base) if there is no compelling reason to jump?

The difference in visually between say the PS pro or a comparable PC to this new console will likely be small.

 

[SimTourist]

The series is a different console, with it’s own problems.

A new generation would by default pull people in again, that’s why new generations are coming, for all brands. When sales go down you start a new generation. Rinse and repeat. And Xbox needed that to happen this year. Or even last year. The brand needs a generation reset. Out with the old, in with the new.

That's a good way to erode the last bits of confidence people have in the brand. Series consoles were sold with at least a promise of new Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable, Perfect Dark, Elder Scrolls, etc. Now you want to deny people those promised games and force them to upgrade before they even got the value from their series consoles. Plus MS already showed their hand with games coming to playstation, so people will just wait for these games to hit PS5/6. You might get a few million xbox diehards and then the sales will plummet again. Hardware power is really not a major selling point anymore and we've hit diminishing returns anyway.

 

[Fess]

Talking about exclusives to this particular box. No PC day and date and certainly no Playstation. The xbox user base is already on its arse who would you entice console users from other platforms (or indeed your own base) if there is no compelling reason to jump?

The difference in visually between say the PS pro or a comparable PC to this new console will likely be small.

If a new generation comes then millions will be there excited for it.

Console-only gamers aren’t moving to PC anytime soon. Ports don’t matter more now than they did at the start of this generation, likely less since PC gaming is so expensive now. And ask some console fans here and it’s like they still think you edit autoexec.bat in DOS to start games.

And there are 20 or so million Xbox gamers out there that don’t want to leave their decades old libraries behind to start repurchasing ports on PlayStation.

And enthusiast gamers will jump onto a new generation without hesitation. You know it.

And as said there will always be developers who want to push the hardware and don’t want to be held back by old generations.

 

[ValiantInstance]

2019 felt great to play, sure some of the map were shite but the core gameplay was fantastic. The most important part.

Theres a reason Warzone blew up, the mechanics where top tier, all born from 2019.

Was it really though? Piccadilly, Azhir Cave, Euphrates Bridge. These are some of the worst maps I've ever seen to this day. The meta playstyle was to set up in a room with claymores.

Black Ops 4 had a better multiplayer, and not one of the maps were bad.

Yes the first iteration of Warzone was good, and greatly helped by the fact everyone was stuck at home and had nothing better to do.

 

[clarky]

If a new generation comes then millions will be there excited for it.

Console-only gamers aren’t moving to PC anytime soon. Ports don’t matter more now than they did at the start of this generation, likely less since PC gaming is so expensive now. And ask some console fans here and it’s like they still think you edit autoexec.bat in DOS to start games.

And there are 20 or so million Xbox gamers out there that don’t want to leave their decades old libraries behind to start repurchasing ports on PlayStation.

And enthusiast gamers will jump onto a new generation without hesitation. You know it.

And as said there will always be developers who want to push the hardware and don’t want to be held back by old generations.

We will have to agree to disagree I think.

I would buy one to replace my mini itx in the living room if it was an all in one as rumoured but it would have to be significantly better than the 4070ti build thats in there currently, I just don't see it personally.